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PUTIN MASSES MILITARY MIGHT ON BORDER … Russian tanks and troops are massing on the eastern border of the Ukraine near the city of Belgorod – raising the specter of further military action in Eastern Europe. In defiance of American saber-rattling, Russian President Vladimir Putin seems ready to expand on…

PUTIN MASSES MILITARY MIGHT ON BORDER …

Russian tanks and troops are massing on the eastern border of the Ukraine near the city of Belgorod – raising the specter of further military action in Eastern Europe.

In defiance of American saber-rattling, Russian President Vladimir Putin seems ready to expand on last month’s bloodless annexation of the Crimean peninsula of the Ukraine.

He wants more … specifically Eastern Ukraine, which is home to millions of native Russians (most of whom seem eager to rejoin the Motherland). These regions of Ukraine voted overwhelmingly in 2010 for Russo-friendly Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych – who was removed from power by the Ukrainian parliament last month.

Yeah … so much for Democratic elections.

Why shouldn’t these ex-Russians be reunited with their former countrymen?

That’s a good question …

According to U.S. Sen. John McCain (RINO-Arizona), though, this isn’t about popular will – it’s about Putin being a “tyrant hell-bent on restoring the Soviet empire.”

Really? Even if that were true, it doesn’t make stopping Russian “aggression” in Crimea or Eastern Ukraine the job of America’s military.

“Policing the world (or attempting to) is one of the reasons current and future generations of American taxpayers are staring down a $17 trillion debt,” we wrote early on in this drama. “We cannot afford to get involved – but even if we could, there is simply no compelling national interest to justify such involvement.”

Also, it’s becoming abundantly clear America’s tough talk is having absolutely no impact whatsoever on Russian intentions in Eastern Ukraine.

Don’t believe us?

Take a look …

That is what a total lack of respect for America looks like, people …

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54 comments

jimlewisowb March 12, 2014 at 6:40 pm

Why should Russia show any respect for America – A large percentage of Americans have zero respect for the Cockroaches in Washington and Columbia

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Yep! March 12, 2014 at 7:42 pm

The Cockroaches deserve the scorn of their domestic and foreign serfs. The whole world should pile on.

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William Wallace March 13, 2014 at 9:33 am

Thumbs up Jim!

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euwe max March 12, 2014 at 6:55 pm

I’m sure we want Russia intervening in our coming civil war. Maybe they’ll side with the South when they secede.

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anon. March 12, 2014 at 7:03 pm

Time for Obama to use his Nobel Peace Prize! Oh, wait, sorry, he’s on vacation!

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Smirks March 13, 2014 at 8:57 am

Use his Peace Prize as what? A paperweight?

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MG42 March 12, 2014 at 7:18 pm

Ultimately, this tyrannical Federal Gov’t has to do this in order to set the stage against the coming self-determination battles of the future within our own country that will challenge Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, and California staying a part of the US vs. going back to Mexico, or, Red States wanting to secede over debt/social policy. The funny and ironic thing about America’s f&cked up universal suffrage and immigration/demographic politics is that the chickens will ultimately come home to roost.

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CNSYD March 12, 2014 at 7:24 pm

I am sure that TX, NM, AZ and CA want to be apart of that third world, corrupt country Mexico.

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MG42 March 12, 2014 at 7:37 pm

You sound like a geopolitical fool. Let me ask you this… what makes you think that majority Hispanic populations in the those referenced states will choose a multicultural and multiethnic 3rd world nation (the future USA) over a spanish speaking, catholic majority, cultural sameness 3rd world nation (Mexico)? Here’s a clue.. they won’t!

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Jason Comment March 12, 2014 at 7:55 pm

Sounds like wishful thinking on your part.

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MG42 March 12, 2014 at 8:09 pm

Great, then you’re aware that the hispanic population there – just like here – proudly fly their Mexican flags, speak their spanish, and practice their hispanic culture openly. Seriously genius, my “wishful thinking” has nothing to do with reality. i’m so sure of this that if I knew that I was going to live another hundred years, I’d go to Vegas and bet all I’ve got on it. You can’t really believe that Mexico isn’t systemically invading this nation – through illegal immigration – to ultimately reclaim lost territories through the democratic, self-determination process.

Jason Comment March 12, 2014 at 8:15 pm

My wife is Hispanic. She doesn’t speak Spanish, but her parents do, I guess they’re not aware of this invasion you speak of. I work in a predominantly Spanish area, many speak English only. I don’t see any Mexican flags anywhere either. Maybe you have only visited border towns. I lived in an area that was 90% Portuguese in New England, and a small minority there flew Portuguese flags, maybe Portugal is going to invade there too?

MG42 March 12, 2014 at 8:35 pm

… you’ve seen no Mexican flags anywhere?…. well, you now have NO credibilty because anyone who has ever spent anytime around Mexicans knows of their open loyalties to Mexico. You said your wife’s family is hispanic, are they Mexican? Because it makes a difference. The many South Americans that I’ve known do seem to assimilate. However, their big, powerful former country also isn’t at the foot of the USA and have an ax to grind with us either. Sure, many Mexicans love the USA and value it; however, even these realize that their first preference is to their hispanic culture… after all, Homogenity is the preferred human trait.

Jason Comment March 12, 2014 at 8:43 pm

And your more credible? I’m in the heart of the area that you are stating will break off. Have you even been to any of the areas you are talking about? I say Hispanic, because that’s what she considers herself, she doesn’t consider herself Mexican, and neither does her family. You just sound xenophobic. Most of these “Mexicans” you speak of, are very hard workers that come here to provide better lives for their families, not as some grand scheme to take over the southern U.S.

MG42 March 12, 2014 at 9:00 pm

So you’re suggesting that your wife (and her family) – who according to you, continues to consider herself hispanic while living in a predominantly anglo culture – would in the future choose a declining multi-cultural/multi-ethnic 3rd world America over a (possibly ascending) hispanic 3rd world Mexico if the state of Texas were ever given a referendum on realignment with Mexico…. uh, OK… we’ll just have to agree to disagree.

Jason Comment March 12, 2014 at 9:14 pm

Yes, and they are not the only ones. But what do I know, I only live, work, and go to school with the same people, in the area you speak of. Maybe they have some underground meetings I don’t know about.

CNSYD March 12, 2014 at 7:22 pm

Pay me now or pay me later. While Sic Willie was in a drug induced haze during the last Cold War. Huge sums were spent by the Soviet Union and the US building up their military capabilities. The Soviet Union (Gorbachev, et al) determined they could not outdo the US militarily nor did they have the resources to try. Therefore the Cold War wound down. The US has systematically demilitarized. Putin views the present situation as one he can exploit. So you pay now to slow Putin down or you wait until there is a crisis situation and then go “Oh Shit” and spend more to beef up. The US has done the latter several times in its past and has had to run to catch up.

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Jackie Chiles March 12, 2014 at 7:42 pm

Why does the U.S. care if Russia invades Ukraine? Let Ukraine fight Russia.

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Yep! March 12, 2014 at 7:43 pm

Half of Ukraine doesn’t even want to fight Russia, they’re inviting them in!

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CNSYD March 12, 2014 at 8:55 pm

Today the Ukraine. Tomorrow what? What if it is one of the Ukraine’s neighbors; Poland, Romania, Hungary and/or Slovakia which are members of NATO? When do you start caring?

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Repeating History March 12, 2014 at 10:29 pm

Fear is a powerful ally.-Neocon Yoda

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CNSYD March 13, 2014 at 10:45 am

The best cure for “fear” is not “hope and change”. It is strength.

Repeating History March 13, 2014 at 11:25 am

At least you admit you are afraid.

Fear may not be the best emotion to let influence your decisions.

Smirks March 13, 2014 at 9:03 am

I’d rather not see Russia attack a NATO country because it would actually be a hairy situation that might draw us into war. I’d rather not go to war at all.

Ukraine’s problem is Ukraine’s problem. We can’t involve ourselves in every single country’s skirmish with another country. We can’t defend every other nation’s sovereignty just because we are on good terms with them, or simply don’t like the other party involved. We don’t have that kind of cash.

As it stands, Russia’s actions poses no threat to us at this time. If that changes, fine, let’s do something about it. Until then, maybe we should avoid a confrontation our country can obviously not afford right now. Feel bad for the Ukrainian people? Sure, but what can we do?

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CNSYD March 13, 2014 at 10:46 am

So what do you propose for those nations with who we have treaties, e.g. NATO?

SenseLikeChaps March 13, 2014 at 11:11 am

The same proposal we’ve always had. WWIII will kick off just as soon as they are invaded.

CNSYD March 13, 2014 at 11:18 am

and that has been made crystal clear by who to who?

I'm an economic idiot! March 13, 2014 at 11:20 am

It’s certainly worth the risk to find out! We have to protect our allies and those oppressed, WW3 or not!

Oh well, we're screwed March 13, 2014 at 12:08 pm

“So what do you propose for those nations with who we have treaties, e.g. NATO?”

The US gov’t probably shouldn’t have had those treaties, or “entangling alliances” to start. But I guess that’s crying over spilled milk now.

It should be a matter of what is in the best interests of American citizens now, even if the US gov’t goes back on their word. It’s getting to be like US gov’t is bonking us over our heads daily with the constant overspending and global intervention.

I understand that people like yourself see it as being in America’s best interests to do these things…I suppose in the end it will be whatever our masters decide with the issue of democracy or the 50%+1 vote they’ll take into consideration.

I'm an economic idiot! March 12, 2014 at 7:44 pm

Yet another variation on the Domino theory. I suppose a few more Vietnam’s won’t hurt.

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CNSYD March 12, 2014 at 8:46 pm

and the dominoes are?

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I'm an economic idiot! March 12, 2014 at 9:26 pm

Ukraine doesn’t count? (then the rest of the former Soviet satellites of course!)

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CNSYD March 13, 2014 at 10:44 am

just checking to see if you consider the NATO nations on the Ukraine’s borders to be “dominoes”.

I'm an economic idiot! March 13, 2014 at 11:18 am

Why not? Let’s call them all dominos. We should stand firm on all transgressions on nations across the globe. We should be ready at a moments notice to send our boys anywhere on the behalf of the oppressed and wronged. It’s our duty. We need a new Captain America to lead the way so we can do more good works and lead the world to peace.

Ghent, Paris, and Versailles March 12, 2014 at 8:22 pm

Why? They call them Treaties. You know, those things Nation’s enter into in order to create sums greater than the parts.

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Bible Thumper March 12, 2014 at 8:54 pm

If you don’t want the USA involved, OK. But don’t lie to yourselves. No fair and valid vote can occur in Crimea with Russian intimidation. Why care? We have NATO allies like Poland, the Baltic states, and Germany who might give in to Russian intimidation if the USA does not care. Ya’ll sound like Charles Lindbergh of the 1930’s. “America First”! I’m America first also, but with globalization, Americas interest are spead arround the world. Yes, we are 17 trillion in debt, but a billion in time may save nine. No hot war, but we should accept the possibility of another cold war. Ron Paul calls sanctions an act of war. That’s propaganda trick “false analogy”. Look it up. Embargo is an act of war, but not sanctions.

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Question March 13, 2014 at 3:41 pm

So what do you see as the operational difference, in your own words, between an embargo and sanctions? Is it merely the presence of ships or the like to enforce them?

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wimpy March 12, 2014 at 9:53 pm

I wonder why Putin didn’t invade the Ukraine when Bush was president. Any thoughts as to why now? Mamma jeans vs Cowboy?

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Smirks March 13, 2014 at 9:17 am

Why does the right gush over Bush and how “things would be different” if he was still president? If Putin had struck then, would we have been drawn into a third fucking war? How long would we have to occupy the Ukraine? How many more trillions would we piss away? How thin would we have had to stretch our resources to cover a fully-engaged Iraq and Afghanistan while we fiddled around in the Ukraine?

Furthermore, why does the right gush over a shirtless Putin deliberately photographed in an almost propagandist fashion versus whatever getup a scrawny black dude like Obama decides to wear on a given day? Really guys? Do I need to post a link to the 80’s workout photo of the guy you guys almost made Vice President?

https://www.google.com/search?q=paul+ryan+workout+photo&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=T68hU43RN425kQfuo4GgAg&ved=0CCQQsAQ&biw=1600&bih=770

Furthermore, why is the right so caught up in seeing some macho, masculine, man’s man type of male authority figure? Oh wait, I think Lindsey Graham might know the answer to that one.

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thecoolestdude March 13, 2014 at 9:36 am

Putin invaded Georgia (the country) while Bush II was president, and is still occupying parts of Georgia. Bush did nothing to react, much less than Obama is doing now.

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toobad March 13, 2014 at 12:14 pm

Did we have treaties pledging to defend Georgia if invaded by Russia? Ukraine is geopoliticaly much more significant than Georgia, and apparently gave up its nukes in exchange for promises that the US would defend its territory if invaded by Russia….

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William March 13, 2014 at 12:00 pm

The most we could have expected from Bush II was to bomb a neighboring country. Maybe Moldova. We could probably have taken Moldova for measly 500 billion added to the three trillion we spent fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan.

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barb newberg March 12, 2014 at 10:22 pm

Is personal freedom not a compelling-enough reason for you? Or maybe you don’t feel like the entire free world is being “held hostage” right now by an over-sized ego named V.P.

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Smirks March 13, 2014 at 9:06 am

Entire free world is being “held hostage” because of Russia’s presence in the Ukraine? Uh, okay dude, whatever you say…

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Sad March 13, 2014 at 11:33 am

It’s amazing how easily the sheeple are led to war isn’t it? In fact, at times disheartening. It’s like watching the same film reel of history being looped over and over again; a proverbial “Groundhog’s day” where the sheeple never ever learn anything.

Maybe they all deserve to have their sons(and now daughters) sent overseas to die or be mutilated in some horrible fashion while in some god forsaken land where they are mostly not wanted anyway and doing the bidding of those in power without much care for them.

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Thomas March 13, 2014 at 10:53 am

What part of Russian military bases in Crimea and Abkhazia (once a territory in Georgia) are not negotiable does the West not understand? That simple. The West should understand that 99% of former Union of Soviet Socialist Republics being free and eligible for NATO or EU admission minus Crimea and Abkhazia annexed to Russia is the deal of the century. You really can not expect Russia to give up these bases, right? Let them have Crimea and Abkhazia and stop the bull shit.

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CNSYD March 13, 2014 at 11:16 am

This deal is the deal of the 21st century. The Munich Agreement was the deal of the 20th century. Right Neville?

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Question March 13, 2014 at 11:22 am

Would it have been better for the US to have intervened in WW2 earlier than they did?

Who decides when nukes get used this time around?

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Bible Thumper March 13, 2014 at 12:13 pm

First Question. Militarily? YES! Politically? NO! Earlier action short of war may have avoided it altogether. We were never in direct conflict with the Soviet Union, yet they were defeated. The second question, as scary as it sounds, Putin and Obama. In the future it may be the Ayatollah or Kim Jong-un. Strong action now reduces all those possibilities. Sanctions, foreign aid, UN action all in cooperation with allies. We would be at a big disadvantage in military conflict on Russia’s front door.

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Question March 13, 2014 at 12:55 pm

“Militarily? YES!”

I’m going to disagree with your answer and feel pretty good about it.

“Strong action now reduces all those possibilities.”

Sorry friend, I disagree with you too.

“Sanctions, foreign aid, UN action all in cooperation with allies.”

Sanctions are a direct act of war….

“We would be at a big disadvantage in military conflict on Russia’s front door.”

I agree, you just started and ended your own argument.

Bible Thumper March 13, 2014 at 2:29 pm

Sanctions are a direct act of war….Then the United states is currently at war with 24 countries.
http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/sanctions/Programs/Pages/Programs.aspx
Many of them started by Obama. I wonder why they are managed by the Treasury and not the DOD. I prefer the dictionary version of what sanctions are.

Question March 13, 2014 at 3:39 pm

Here’s the first definition of “sanction” via google:

“a threatened penalty for disobeying a law or rule.”

Do you not think a threat is a cause for war? What dictionary are you using?

Now, maybe you could make a case where sanctions are simply a refusal to do business on a voluntary basis by the imposing country…however I don’t see where the US had done that much. In fact, it usually also threatens those(other countries) who don’t abide by its sanctions with sanctions themselves. Not to mention the suffering/death of those needing meds (when Iraq was sovereign for example) and things of that nature.

Still, I can see where you might find the line unclear, so I won’t argue it beyond the above. We still have the 3 of the other 4 points to contend with.

The folly of engaging in yet another undeclared war, funded by more deficit spending, in the backyard of a country that is much more proficient at war making than even Afghani goat herders and Iraqi’s is borderline insanity.

Bible Thumper March 14, 2014 at 9:06 am

A threat properly applied is a warning to the threatened and to others that may cause them to step back from war. We may not be able to change the situation in Ukrain, but. They may step back from future actions. China is also indispute with its neighbors about offshore rights.

We can’t have countries taking other countries land or offshore rights without any consequence. Only Israel can do that in today’s world, because their enemies use terror. Innocent people suffer from sanctions but they suffer more from war.

west_rhino March 13, 2014 at 12:31 pm

Curious those are mostly the Airborne’s personnel carriers, not the usual infantry sort that are larger. Where are the rest of Putin’s army or is this what can be mobilized on short notice? Pawns, a knight or two and a bishop or two, but few heavier units on this chess board. Something else is going on while Obama is mesmerized by Putin pulling a rabbit out of Crimea’s ass.

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