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Founding Wisdom On Ukraine Crisis

WORDS TO THE WISE … As the Ukranian crisis escalates, calls for American intervention are increasing – and the administration of U.S. President Barack Obama is stepping up its rhetoric in response to Russia’s “aggression.” Russia has already invaded and occupied Ukraine’s Crimean peninsula – and appears poised for further…

WORDS TO THE WISE …

As the Ukranian crisis escalates, calls for American intervention are increasing – and the administration of U.S. President Barack Obama is stepping up its rhetoric in response to Russia’s “aggression.”

Russia has already invaded and occupied Ukraine’s Crimean peninsula – and appears poised for further military action against its neighbor, a former Soviet satellite which gained its independence in 1991.

So-called “neoconservatives” – led by The Wall Street Journal – are demanding Obama take action.

“In the brutal world of global power politics, Ukraine is in particular a casualty of Mr. Obama’s failure to enforce his ‘red line’ on Syria,” the paper wrote this week. “When the leader of the world’s only superpower issues a military ultimatum and then blinks, others notice. Adversaries and allies in Asia and the Middle East will be watching President Obama’s response now. China has its eyes on Japanese islands. Iran is counting on U.S. weakness in nuclear talks.”

“The Ukrainians can’t be left alone to face Russia, and the Kremlin’s annexation of Crimea can’t be allowed to stand,” the Journal‘s editorial concludes.

Is such interventionist saber-rattling really in America’s best interests, though?

The United States’ government has pursued a costly policy of global interventionism over the last two administrations – costing us trillions of dollars and thousands of lives. And for what? Iraq is slipping back into chaos – which is exactly what will happen in Afghanistan the moment U.S. troops withdraw (assuming they ever withdraw).

Why did America fight these engagements?

Oh right … a “war on terror.”

No such excuse is available to U.S. politicians regarding the Ukranian crisis. This is pure Euro-drama – the sort of continental entanglement our founding fathers explicitly warned us not to engage.

The roots of this brand of non-interventionism can be found in the 1796 farewell address of America’s first president, George Washington.

“Europe has a set of primary interests which to us have none; or a very remote relation,” Washington wrote. “Hence she must be engaged in frequent controversies, the causes of which are essentially foreign to our concerns. Hence, therefore, it must be unwise in us to implicate ourselves by artificial ties in the ordinary vicissitudes of her politics, or the ordinary combinations and collisions of her friendships or enmities …”

“Why, by interweaving our destiny with that of any part of Europe, entangle our peace and prosperity in the toils of European ambition, rivalship, interest, humor or caprice?” Washington added.

Thomas Jefferson echoed Washington’s sentiments in his inaugural address, advocating “peace, commerce and honest friendship with all nations – entangling alliances with none.”

Two years earlier he was even more specific in a letter sent to James Monroe.

“I have ever deemed it fundamental for the United States never to take active part in the quarrels of Europe,” Jefferson wrote. “Their political interests are entirely distinct from ours. Their mutual jealousies, their balance of power, their complicated alliances, their forms and principles of government, are all foreign to us. They are nations of eternal war. All their energies are expended in the destruction of the labor, property and lives of their people.”

Monroe would later make European non-intervention America’s official policy.

“In the wars of the European powers, in matters relating to themselves, we have never taken part, nor does it comport with our policy, so to do,” he wrote. “It is only when our rights are invaded, or seriously menaced that we resent injuries, or make preparations for our defense.”

Exactly as it should be …

U.S. Rep. Ron Paul – the contemporary voice articulating this founding wisdom – addressed the Ukrainian crisis in a column last week.

“Certainly the American people want none of of this intervention in Ukraine,” Paul wrote. “They understand, as recent polls have shown, that our interventionist foreign policy is only creating more enemies overseas. And they also understand that we are out of money. We could not afford to be the policemen of world even if we wanted to be.”

Indeed … policing the world (or attempting to) is one of the reasons current and future generations of American taxpayers are staring down a $17 trillion debt.

America must resist the urge to intervene militarily in the Ukraine. We cannot afford to get involved – but even if we could, there is simply no compelling national interest to justify such involvement.

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78 comments

Smirks March 3, 2014 at 8:41 am

Lindsey Graham has a war boner hard enough to cut diamonds right now. Unfortunately he enjoys exposing it to the public on various media outlets.

Can we, like, try to avoid another world war? I mean, just a little bit?

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CorruptionInColumbia March 3, 2014 at 9:32 am

But that wouldn’t enrich Lindsey’s wallet, now would it?

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tomstickler March 3, 2014 at 9:37 am

No matter what, Lindsey will always have the Sunday talk shows.

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CNSYD March 3, 2014 at 10:33 am

Still awaiting your proof.

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Interventionism rarely works March 3, 2014 at 8:45 am

The sociopaths in power are crazy…war with Russia over Ukraine? You’ve got to be kidding.

Vietnam, Afghanistan, & Iraq will look like a walk in the park compared to our pols dragging the nation into yet another war funded by money printing half way across the globe.

The lunatics are dancing on the line of sanity once again.

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Smirks March 3, 2014 at 9:11 am

A war with Russia wouldn’t be as one-sided as Afghanistan and Iraq, either. Tons more casualties, tons more money down the drain.

It is truly frightening that some people openly embrace conflict just so a small number of people can live high on the hog at the expense of this country’s future and the untold lives and livelihoods ruined as a result.

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anon. March 3, 2014 at 9:38 am

Thank you Wodrow Wilson…

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Hello George March 3, 2014 at 9:52 am

-1 for the spelling genius

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EJB March 3, 2014 at 12:29 pm

yet you and everyone else knew exactly who he/she was talking about.

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GrandTango March 3, 2014 at 8:58 am

Regardless of what happens…Obama is going to F*#k it up, like he has everything else. Most Americans are resigned to that..

There are a mountain of failures of Obama’s that the Republican president in 2016 is going to have to devote the first year of his/her presidency to correct….

Anyone thinking that Obama has a clue, or the likelihood of handling this right, is a thick-skulled Dumb!$$….

That said: Why is FITS ignoring the Tater @$$-kicking (SWEEP) in baseball.

Where is that sports genius of FITS’ “Jordan” who is always telling us how good the ACC’s chances for a College Baseball National Championship are…despite the fact the ACC has not won a baseball national championship since the 1950s???
Another sport, another sure thing FITS will embarrass himself….kissing the Taters’ @$$….

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Smirks March 3, 2014 at 9:07 am

Regardless of what happens…Obama is going to F*#k it up.

Pretty much the thought pattern of the Fox News zombies in general. He could cure cancer and you’d find something he “fucked up.”

“Fucking this up” would be drawing us into another war we can’t afford, but guess which side is clamoring for that the most? Yeah, thought so.

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GrandTango March 3, 2014 at 9:56 am

Muslim Brotherhood, Cash for Clunkers, Chevy Volt, Benghazi, Solyndra, IRS persecutions, Afghanistan, energy prices, Obamacare, unemployment…

You are one ignorant Motherf*#k#r…if you are pinning any hopes on this stupid some beech doing something right….but I think your record, like Obama’s, speaks for itself…

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Tom March 3, 2014 at 6:23 pm

Stock market way up from when Bush left office.
GDP way up over when Bush left office.
Misery Index down over when Bush left office.
Unemployment below where it was when Bush left office.
Economy creating jobs each month in stead of losing 500k jobs each month.
Annual deficit below where it was in Bush’s last two budget years.
Housing prices up.
Gas prices lower than their highest under Bush.
Bin Laden dead
Muammar Gaddafi dead
GM Alive
Insurance Companies no longer able to deny coverage for pre-exiting conditions.
Collapse of banking system averted.
Iraq War over
War in Afghanistan winding down.
I could go on but you get the point.

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GrandTango March 3, 2014 at 6:29 pm

You are a fool mired in myths.

Obama is pumping $85 million a month to prop up his Wall St. cronies so the rich get richer…yet there are no good FT jobs. Salaries are way down…and no one ids risking capital on businesses.

Over 8 years, Bush’s unemployment rate averaged around 5%. Obama cannot get close to that, even by fudging the numbers and counting PT jobs…

Home sellers are losing 20% on homes and energy prices are through the roof.

You compare Bush’s nadir to Obama’s zenith, and you still are a failure.

You liberals think you can just lie, and regurgitate the myths you are fed, and we’re stupid enough to believe it…

just another guy March 3, 2014 at 9:23 am

Fits, you do realize Russia could not afford a war with the US and Europe. Even more so than us. Look at their bond yields. Look at their stock market. Remember in History, when countries get into trouble financially, they go to war and if they win, they pay down their debts with the spoils. Japan is trying that with China right now. Japan is 350% Debt to GDP and their debt to tax revenue is 28 (10 is normally the Max). The same is going on in Russia where very little outside capital is going into the country. They do not want a war with us AT ALL. It would destroy their country. Would it hurt us, yes. But we would survive, they would not.

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Playing chicken w/crazy people March 3, 2014 at 9:24 am

You’re fucking insane.

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euwe max March 3, 2014 at 9:36 am

It’s *so* manly to kill everyone on both sides in a face down, just to prove you’re a little bit stronger.

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Playing chicken w/crazy people March 3, 2014 at 9:50 am

It’s just the little and unimportant people that get killed anyway, right?

It’s more important to “prove you’re a little bit stronger”-you are correct.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGPD0ZBiMs0

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tomstickler March 3, 2014 at 9:35 am

World War II was what finally brought the US out of the Depression, but that may not work today. In 1941, the US had a vastly greater manufacturing capability. We had the means to make steel and aluminum and were able to set up munitions and aircraft manufacturing that would be impossible today.

American businesses, more interested in executive compensation and “shareholder value”, have dismantled our factories and decimated our skilled workforce by off-shoring every possible job in their pursuit of riches.

For another view of the situation in Ukraine, see this:

http://www.nybooks.com/blogs/nyrblog/2014/mar/01/ukraine-haze-propaganda/

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Stating the obvious March 3, 2014 at 10:06 am

Economic stimulus by war is not cheaper or moral.

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easterndumbfuckastan March 3, 2014 at 12:35 pm

But it works better than just about any other stimulus plan devised by humans.

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Original Good Old Boy March 3, 2014 at 12:52 pm

It’s a common myth that war ultimately leads to a booming economy. It was true in WW2 because our industrial capacity remained intact and we could help the rest of the world rebuild. But that was an anomaly.

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The Jewish Nazi March 5, 2014 at 11:07 am

What a great read!, here is a quote from Walt french in the comments section, “Obviously, a Nazi uprising orchestrated by Jews would be awful; any means of suppressing it is legitimate. Plus, degenerate gays!”

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TontoBubbaGoldstein March 3, 2014 at 11:33 am

@ just another guy

Damn straight. Send the troops. They’ll be home before Ben Bernanke’s “Green Shoots” appear on the trees this spring.

What could *possibly* go wrong.

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dwb619 March 3, 2014 at 2:35 pm

Who is the “we” in “we would survive”?
Oh, I suppose you are impervious to a massive thermo-nuclear strike from Putin.
He has just as many as we do.
How would you like it if the Russians attacked us over something like the Confederacy seceding again?
I am sure you will on the front lines in a battle with Putin over this territory.

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CNSYD March 3, 2014 at 3:55 pm

Apparently you do not understand the concept of MAD. I bet Putin does.

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dwb619 March 3, 2014 at 5:07 pm

Sure do!
I remember “Duck and cover” drills from elementary school.
You ready to risk it over this?

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Jim March 3, 2014 at 6:12 pm

Duck and cover. Ah, the age of innocence. When we though our desks could protect us from Nuclear bombs, the way they did British children in the Battle of Britain.

CNSYD March 3, 2014 at 6:56 pm

You brought use of nuclear weapons into the discussion. You were asked a simple question. What follows your two word answer is gibberish.

dwb619 March 3, 2014 at 7:02 pm

It appears that at least one person “got’ it.
Do you not understand the term “duck and cover”.
It’s not my job to educate you in the cold war lexicon.

CNSYD March 3, 2014 at 8:27 pm

And what are you “risking”? Do you actually believe Russia would use nuclear weapons against the US? As used by Churchill in another situation, sow the wind and reap the whirlwind. That is what Mutually Assured Destruction is all about. So your “argument” is not germane. BTW I am well aware of what duck and cover was/is. That along with many other “devices”, e.g. rationing, are/were used to insure everyone “buys in” when there are serious events.

dwb619 March 3, 2014 at 9:52 pm

Do you think they wouldn’t if we intervened militarily?

CNSYD March 4, 2014 at 9:12 am

Neither side would. And you don’t believe it either.

dwb619 March 4, 2014 at 9:45 am

Doesn’t make any difference what you and I think. McCain was on the late night news, saying that there is NO military option.
Kinda left Graham “slowly twisting in the wind”.

Duck! March 5, 2014 at 11:13 am

The DoD says N. Korea can strike the US with nukes in 2 years, the DoD is on our side. That guy in N. Korea is a kook too.

EJB March 3, 2014 at 4:12 pm

Russia wouldn’t want to go to a full fledged war but that won’t stop Putin from pushing 0bama up to that point just to see what he can get away with and from the looks of things 0bama will let him get away with just about anything. Kind of makes one wonder about his statement to Medvedev “tell Putin after the election I’ll have more flexibility”.

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Mark March 3, 2014 at 10:08 am

As we learned from Bush, there is really only one question we need the answer to before we can decide whether to intervene. What does Haliburton want us to do?

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west_rhino March 3, 2014 at 11:01 am

Even Herr Hitler knew that the Ukraine was (per Mackinder) the breadbasket of the world, never mind the oil and gas resources… OIL AND GAS, Haliburton says GO!!!!

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dwb619 March 3, 2014 at 2:37 pm

TOUCHE!

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CNSYD March 3, 2014 at 10:32 am

Thomas Jefferson. Remind me what armies he commanded and/or battles in which he fought in the Revolution. I guess he was too busy poking Sally Hemmings. Ownership has its privileges.

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Didley Squat March 3, 2014 at 2:00 pm

Same ones as Monroe, Madison, Henry, Adams, Adams, Hancock, Franklin, Heyward, Lynch, Rutledge, Middleton. Do you get the idea or need more names.
(Two outs in the ninth and lost. Zero for three. Have lost 16 of 19. Not as bad as zero and five in football. But plenty bad.)

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CNSYD March 3, 2014 at 2:19 pm

These guys are on a baseball team? If not, what does your parenthetical have to with the subject? Are you subbing for GT?

The point was/is that deification of Jefferson tends to ignore his many warts.

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TontoBubbaGoldstein March 3, 2014 at 3:34 pm

“Are you subbing for GT?”

Day-um!

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EJB March 3, 2014 at 4:17 pm

and because he was human we are compelled to ignore his wisdom and foresight?

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CNSYD March 3, 2014 at 6:59 pm

Let me understand this. Owning slaves and having sex with them is human or is it “wisdom and foresight”?

EJB March 4, 2014 at 6:57 am

pretty comfortable sitting in 2014 and judging the way people lived in 1776 isn’t it? Context is relevant.

CNSYD March 4, 2014 at 9:16 am

And when has context ever mattered to the Sic Willie’s of the world?

IRT Jefferson, if indeed he was the author of “all men are created equal” and we are to view it in the context of 1776, then women are automatically excluded. Whether or not slaves were viewed in 1776 as “men” is open for debate. But I doubt Jefferson was looking to franchise any of his.

Philip Branton March 3, 2014 at 10:45 am

Dear SPAWAR Atlantic informational Observers, this is yet again another example of “stale” media posturing.

Does Mr. Folks offer his readers the “energy Prism” view..??

Mr. Folks is no dummy. He understands just how much Russia has invested in OIL and GAS pipeline infrastructure in Ukraine. Does Wil Folks stop to think if the same tactic was used by a FITSNEWS Army in “Omaha” to “pawn” the Keystone Pipeline transit tariffs how the Russian Army would react…??

Russian corporations are a valued “Brother in GAS”……will the Ukrainian get slaughtered just like the Syrians……..you bet they will…..very quietly…!!

All the while, Mr Folks spouts the constitution and “free Markets”…!!

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Norma Scok March 3, 2014 at 8:54 pm

What is with you and the Spawar shit?

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Philip Branton March 4, 2014 at 10:38 am

“norma”……what is with you and the “horse dung” avatar..?

You are better than that…..are you not..?

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Thomas March 3, 2014 at 10:51 am

Russia has had a naval presence in Crimea since the 1800’s while harboring the Tsar’s Black Sea Fleet. The Russian White Army’s last stand against the Bolshevik’s Red Army was in Crimea. The Yalta Conference between the WWII Allies was held in Crimea. You could see it on Putin’s face midway between drama queen Costa’s pink eye side show and Team USA’s hockey beat down against Russia, he could do nothing during the Sochi Games to crush the protesters. After the games, he proceeded to take back what he thinks Russian history says belongs to Russia, the Crimea Peninsula.

This crisis will expose the incompetence of Hillary, Kerry, Susan Rice, Obama, and General Hagel imprinting on the minds of a new generation the Democrat Party’s well known inability to govern on the world stage. Any concessions towards allowing Russia to annex Crimea will signal China that Obama would concede Taiwan if pushed to defend our ally.

Solution? A case of Jiffy Pop and cable tv subscription to watch the undoing of a feeble and naive Democrat Party who cuts our military, fires flag officers, and has handily destroyed 50 years of US foreign policy in only five short years.

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Cooter March 3, 2014 at 10:55 am

Yeah, Bush really won over the world with his foreign policy…I seem to remember a shoe being thrown and getting booed everytime the jackass got off a plane…

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easterndumbfuckastan March 3, 2014 at 12:33 pm

Crimea was part of Russia from 1783 until 1954 when Nikita Khrushchev transferred it from the Russian SSR to Ukraine SSR.

1783: Russia annexed Crimea.

1853: The Crimean War began, lasting three years. Russia lost to an alliance of the Ottoman Empire, France, Britain and Sardinia. Crimea remained part of Russia.

1917: Crimea briefly became a sovereign state before becoming a base for the White Army of anti-Bolshevik forces in the Russian War.

1921: The peninsula, now called the Crimean Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic, became part of the Soviet Union.

1942: Nazi Germany took control of Crimea.

1944: Joesph Stalin forcibly deported all Muslim Tatars, a group of 300,000 who had lived on the peninsula for centuries, due to members’ alleged cooperation with Germany during World War II. Many returned to Crimea in the 1980s and 1990s.

1945: After World War II, the autonomous Soviet republic was dissolved and Crimea became a province of the Soviet Union called the Crimean Oblast.

1954: Russian Premier Nikita Khrushchev transferred the Crimean Oblast to Ukraine. It’soften reported that it was a gesture of goodwill from Khrushchev, who had Ukrainian roots.

1991: The Soviet Union collapsed. Many expected President Boris Yeltsin, the new president of the Russian Federation, to take Crimea for Russia. But he didn’t bring it upduring negotiations with Ukraine.

1997: Ukraine and Russia signed a treaty that allowed Russia to keep its fleet in Sevastopol. The agreement’s since been extended, so the fleet is set to remain there until at least 2042.

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The Colonel March 4, 2014 at 9:58 am

So operating on that theory, David Cameron announced that he was taking all those (@*#*ing colonies back.

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EJB March 3, 2014 at 12:37 pm

Putin didn’t just decide to invade Ukraine overnight. He has seen the US weaken towards international affairs as a Democratic run congress pushed Bush towards appeasement and followed by 0bama’s wholesale capitulation on a world wide scale. Everyone with an ax to grind is watching and international affairs will spiral into utter chaos. But like you already see with some of these posts, it’s only Bush’s fault, the Democrats and 0bama were forced into actions because of what Bush left them. The Democrats/0bama never have any responsibility. The Democrats and 0bama are a sickening lot and not only the US but other parts of the world will suffer for their pathetic policies.

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shifty henry March 3, 2014 at 3:08 pm

Thomas, you and EJB (below) are much too close to the truth of future events, although I don’t think the Democrats will suffer – too much…

Also, I’m getting some new, laminated world maps and various colored grease pencils to track whatever happens…

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EJB March 3, 2014 at 4:08 pm

get a bunch of the grease pencils, you’re going to be marking a lot (Syria, Lebanon, Iran, China and various African countries) this will be a very busy three to five years.

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Halfvast Conspirator March 3, 2014 at 11:08 am

I say we nuke the whole place from orbit. It’s the only way to be sure.

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EJB March 3, 2014 at 4:16 pm

can’t, the Chinese can destroy our satellites with lasers. We are in the process of ceding space to those who aren’t afraid to do what Reagan wanted to do.

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vicupstate March 3, 2014 at 12:26 pm

What to do in the Ukraine aside, let’s remember that the Founding Fathers did not live in a world where nuclear weapons existed. Nor did they live in the era of flight nor ocean crossings that didn’t take a month to complete, nor the age of communication at the speed of light.

Intervention is not always a good idea, very frequently it isn’t, but we don’t have the luxury to ignore what is happening in Europe or any other place. We can’t always apply circa 1800 logic to today’s problems.

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William March 3, 2014 at 12:40 pm

Great piece, FITSnews. Going to war in Ukraine is insane. It’s even crazier than going to war in Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan. As with the Syrian civil war, there are no good guys to side with. And there’s no threat to US security. Obama’s policy of aggression towards Russia is not in the best interests of the American people.

But you left out the SC political angle. Lindsey Graham, our state’s senior senator, is leading the charge for war with Russia and he’s up for re-election this year. Graham is a whore to the military-industrial lobbies and AIPAC, which promote the neocon doctrine of costly US imperialist aggression. So he’s trying to out-do Obama in anti-Russian
belligerence.

Are any of Graham’s primary opponents going to take a non-interventionist position, as Ron Paul does? So far I haven’t seen any evidence of it.

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dwb619 March 3, 2014 at 2:38 pm

X2

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Sad, but true March 3, 2014 at 2:50 pm

Nope, even Ron Paul’s own son is cheering for war.

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White Bread March 3, 2014 at 3:50 pm

You got that right that it’s not in our best interests.
Former Sec. of Defense Robert Gates is pointing out that the US best cool it:
– Putin is assisting with Syrian negotiations and WMD removal.
– Putin is assisting with Iran nuclear capability negotiations.
– Putin is assisting with US materiel removal from Afganistan.
– The EU has backed away because Russia is its third largest trading partner behind the US and China.
– The EU gets one-third of its oil and natural gas from Russia.

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The Colonel March 4, 2014 at 10:06 am

Yeaaah not so much…
Putin’s boys are dragging his feet and slowing down the process in Syria every chance they get. The US is shouldering the majority of the work in the actual destruction of the WMD.
Iran’s nuclear capability – we’ll have to see about that one
Assisting us with Afghanistan!?! How do you figure, ever hear of Manas?
I’ll grant the trade issue and debate your oil and gas contention (not where it comes from but that it really matters)

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idcydm March 3, 2014 at 1:08 pm

But it’s settled silence, Putin is a poo poo head and the reset button just blew up.

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EJB March 3, 2014 at 4:13 pm

Putin is evil, wicked, mean and nasty, 0bama is just plain dumbstruck.

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idcydm March 3, 2014 at 6:54 pm

Yes he is and will continue to push far as he want’s. But the Cold War has been over for 20 years so said Obama.

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Squishy123 March 3, 2014 at 1:56 pm

Putin is just letting Obama know that he’s his bitch. Putin doesn’t give a fuck what Barry thinks or says.

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The Colonel March 4, 2014 at 9:56 am

“I will transmit this to Vladimir…”

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Mike at the Beach March 3, 2014 at 6:51 pm

Peace in our time…

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CNSYD March 3, 2014 at 7:14 pm

As they said about Chamberlain, he heard Hitler say “peace” but what he really said was “piece” as in a piece of all the countries neighboring Germany.

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Uh huh March 3, 2014 at 8:40 pm

Even if people bought the analogy, let us remember that the US sat on the sidelines while all the major players spend themselves both financially and militarily until the timing was right for the Americans to simply mop up after everyone else was war weary.

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Uh huh March 3, 2014 at 8:40 pm

“spent”

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idcydm March 3, 2014 at 8:22 pm

Here’s some wisdom for you, fill up your gas tank and don’t let it drop below half empty.

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Slartibartfast March 4, 2014 at 1:33 am

Russia is an empty shell. China is broke. Obama is a coward. Joe Biden is senile. We could beat them all four of them, if we still had some decent generals and Admirals, but we don’t. So, if we go to war because the failed foreign policy of Obama makes Obama look bad, we should secede and bomb Nevada, right away. Oath keepers will take care of the rest of it. JUST KIDDING, CIA, NSA, FBI

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Stump March 4, 2014 at 3:15 am

There would not be a war, all the West needs to do is to threaten Moscow, as it feels fearless and arogant. Moscow feels sure that the West will only talk. It understands that the war between the east and the west would be devastating. When Washington wrote these words, Europe was also arogant monachy based region. Today we talk about people’s dream for democratic values that we have. They are tired of coruption and oligarchy rule.
The message to Moscow should be very clear – “you invade Ukraine, the west sends army to help countrie’s democratic pursutes” If that does not threaten Moscow, European troops should get ready fighting. If that does not help, American troops should get ready. If that does not help, armies start movement to Ukrain – that would definitely help.

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HD March 4, 2014 at 7:38 am

Reasonable minds can differ over what our response should be to events in Ukraine. Only an idiot would suggest that Washington’s views on our relationship with Europe in 1796 are relevant today. One might reach the same conclusion as Washington, but it would have to be coincidental. The world today bears no meaningful resemblance to that which Washington was addressing.

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