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SC Nullification Testimony Sparks Controversy

We’ve weighed in a couple of times on the nullification movement in South Carolina (click here and here). Basically we’ve got no problem with it, although we’ve long maintained it is a feint designed to pave the way for the eventual acceptance of a massive Medicaid expansion associated with U.S….

We’ve weighed in a couple of times on the nullification movement in South Carolina (click here and here).

Basically we’ve got no problem with it, although we’ve long maintained it is a feint designed to pave the way for the eventual acceptance of a massive Medicaid expansion associated with U.S. President Barack Obama’s socialized medicine law.

For those of you unfamiliar with how this dog and pony show works, “Republicans” make a big stink about a federal program – i.e. the “stimulus” or “Obamacare” – and cast symbolic votes to block it. However once their efforts “fail,” they “grudgingly” accept the federal largesse – and all the strings which come with it.

We’ve seen this show before … and will no doubt see it again.

Anyway, even without the “Obamacare” Medicaid expansion, the Palmetto State is adding 130,000 new recipients to its Medicaid rolls this year, while ballooning its Medicaid budget from $5.9 billion to $6.5 billion.

Just call it “Haleycare …

And all these “Republicans” are on board with it.

Against this backdrop, a judiciary subcommittee of the S.C. House of Representatives heard testimony this week on H. 3101, a bill sponsored by S.C. Rep. Bill Chumley.

Under the legislation, Obamacare “is invalid in this State, is not recognized by this State, is specifically rejected by this State, and is null and void and of no effect in this State.” Furthermore, any federal employee attempting to enforce the law “is guilty of a felony and, upon conviction, must be fined not more than five thousand dollars, or imprisoned not more than five years,” while any state employee attempting to enforce the law “is guilty of a misdemeanor and, upon conviction, must be fined not more than one thousand dollars or imprisoned not more than two years.”

The legislation received a favorable report by the subcommittee, although some of the methods used in the hearing on behalf of the legislation were significantly “unfavorable” to taxpayers.

For example, Chumley had one of the state’s two airplanes – “Palmetto 2” – fly to Washington, D.C. this morning to pick up conservative radio host Walter Williams.

Democrats pounced …

“This is the height of hypocrisy and politics at its worst,” S.C. Rep. James Smith (D-Richland) said in a statement. “For taxpayers to be forced to foot the bill so that an out-of-state political zealot can push his extreme agenda is not only a dereliction of his duties as a public servant, it is just fundamentally wrong. During his testimony, Dr. Walter Williams espoused the abuses of government spending and intrusion while engaging in precisely the same behavior.”

We concur … it was a colossal lapse of judgment on Chumley’s part to authorize such an expense. Especially seeing as Williams was only on the stand for approximately ten minutes.

Additionally Democrats revealed that another pro-nullification “expert” – Tea Party activist Kent Masterson Brown – was paid $7,500 to testify on behalf of the legislation.

Sheesh …

No website champions taxpayer rights, free market principles and individual liberties more than this one. But in advancing these ideals consistency is everything. Wasting even a cent of taxpayer resources in protesting a trillion dollar monstrosity is wrong – not to mention an invitation for those pushing the unnecessary government expansions to seize the moral high ground.

Which Democrats successfully did in this case …

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48 comments

tomstickler March 20, 2013 at 3:06 pm

Kent Masterson Brown? Walter Williams?

Why not bring in a real expert, like Sean Hannity? Or Steve Doocy?

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RHood2 March 20, 2013 at 4:56 pm

Steve Doocy just sounds funny. He doesn’t even have to speak to elicit laughs. But of course, he opens his mouth and you just laugh and laugh and laugh.

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BigT March 20, 2013 at 3:06 pm

FITS, Sanford or the leftwingers over at the Policy Council – whoever is writing this crap – needs to figure out: If you don’t have the ability or talent to explain it better than you are explaining it, here…you need to just abandon it.

Trying to figure out who you are bashing, is torture…
It’s clear that you hate South Carolina and the GOP…but you are failing in explaining why…

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tomstickler March 20, 2013 at 3:06 pm

Kent Masterson Brown? Walter Williams?

Why not bring in a real expert, like Sean Hannity? Or Steve Doocy?

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RHood2 March 20, 2013 at 4:56 pm

Steve Doocy just sounds funny. He doesn’t even have to speak to elicit laughs. But of course, he opens his mouth and you just laugh and laugh and laugh.

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BigT March 20, 2013 at 3:06 pm

FITS, Sanford or the leftwingers over at the Policy Council – whoever is writing this crap – needs to figure out: If you don’t have the ability or talent to explain it better than you are explaining it, here…you need to just abandon it.

Trying to figure out who you are bashing, is torture…
It’s clear that you hate South Carolina and the GOP…but you are failing in explaining why…

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Bob March 20, 2013 at 3:20 pm

“Wasting even a cent of taxpayer resources in protesting a trillion dollar monstrosity is wrong…” ??? Really? I’ll put up the cent. Protest away.

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Bob March 20, 2013 at 3:20 pm

“Wasting even a cent of taxpayer resources in protesting a trillion dollar monstrosity is wrong…” ??? Really? I’ll put up the cent. Protest away.

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Wayne Love March 20, 2013 at 3:23 pm

So, what do you suggest we do to stop Obamacare. Surely you agree it must be stopped. I’m sure you know by now that the felony charge and fines were taken out of H3101….

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Go Cocks March 20, 2013 at 7:40 pm

How about get more Republicans elected at the national level? Democracy is a bitch isn’t it?

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Wayne Love March 20, 2013 at 3:23 pm

So, what do you suggest we do to stop Obamacare. Surely you agree it must be stopped. I’m sure you know by now that the felony charge and fines were taken out of H3101….

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Go Cocks March 20, 2013 at 7:40 pm

How about get more Republicans elected at the national level? Democracy is a bitch isn’t it?

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? March 20, 2013 at 3:50 pm

Nullification is in the air. John C. Calhoun would be proud.

I surprised Will didn’t catch Tom Davis’s nullification bill on the NDAA:

http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/03/sc-introduces-anti-ndaa-legislation/

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? March 20, 2013 at 3:50 pm

Nullification is in the air. John C. Calhoun would be proud.

I surprised Will didn’t catch Tom Davis’s nullification bill on the NDAA:

http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/03/sc-introduces-anti-ndaa-legislation/

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Vanguard16 March 20, 2013 at 4:56 pm

What a bunch of dumbasses in the State House!! Obamacare is not unconstitutional!!

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Vanguard16 March 20, 2013 at 4:56 pm

What a bunch of dumbasses in the State House!! Obamacare is not unconstitutional!!

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nitrat March 20, 2013 at 6:09 pm

Sounds like the Rs are getting ready to embark on some more of those frivolous lawsuits they hate sooooo much, unless they’re bringing ’em.

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nitrat March 20, 2013 at 6:09 pm

Sounds like the Rs are getting ready to embark on some more of those frivolous lawsuits they hate sooooo much, unless they’re bringing ’em.

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lowcorider March 20, 2013 at 6:59 pm

Chumley…really…really…Chumley…gee Tennessee.

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Lowcorider March 20, 2013 at 6:59 pm

Chumley…really…really…Chumley…gee Tennessee.

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Jan March 20, 2013 at 7:13 pm

We need a federal law, making it a felony for a state employee to enforce a state law which prevents a federal employee from enforcing a federal law. Maximum sentence, death by drone.

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curmudgeon March 20, 2013 at 10:21 pm

Actually it was reported that good Ole Andy Jackson said he would personally hang the first South Carolinian ….from the nearest tree. You think that may have been one of Chumley’s relatives?

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Jan March 20, 2013 at 7:13 pm

We need a federal law, making it a felony for a state employee to enforce a state law which prevents a federal employee from enforcing a federal law. Maximum sentence, death by drone.

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curmudgeon March 20, 2013 at 10:21 pm

Actually it was reported that good Ole Andy Jackson said he would personally hang the first South Carolinian ….from the nearest tree. You think that may have been one of Chumley’s relatives?

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Grandmother March 20, 2013 at 7:50 pm

For the first three years of its implementation, there will be no cost to the state of South Carolina. After the three year period, the state will pick up a portion of the cost. Since the state would save three years of costs, then SC would have ample time to prepare for picking up the cost in the last two years. This money is coming out of our paychecks and if we do not accept it, our money will go to another state. If you have not read the four part series in the Charleston Post and Courier, The Other South Carolina, I urge you to do so. We have a disproportionate number of very sick and hungry citizens in this state. There is no excuse for that. If all of these Republicans are as Christian as they pretend to be, then they should be concerned about the people in this state who have no money and no voice. What a bunch of hypocrites! Education/Health/Economics are all interconnected. You cannot take care of one without the others. South Carolina is going to remain at the bottom of the heap until we address all three simultaneously. Stand up and do something right for the people of this state and quit playing politics. Take the damn money! Heal the sick and hungry and then move on to the other pressing issues. This should be a no-brainer.

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Grandmother March 20, 2013 at 7:50 pm

For the first three years of its implementation, there will be no cost to the state of South Carolina. After the three year period, the state will pick up a portion of the cost. Since the state would save three years of costs, then SC would have ample time to prepare for picking up the cost in the last two years. This money is coming out of our paychecks and if we do not accept it, our money will go to another state. If you have not read the four part series in the Charleston Post and Courier, The Other South Carolina, I urge you to do so. We have a disproportionate number of very sick and hungry citizens in this state. There is no excuse for that. If all of these Republicans are as Christian as they pretend to be, then they should be concerned about the people in this state who have no money and no voice. What a bunch of hypocrites! Education/Health/Economics are all interconnected. You cannot take care of one without the others. South Carolina is going to remain at the bottom of the heap until we address all three simultaneously. Stand up and do something right for the people of this state and quit playing politics. Take the damn money! Heal the sick and hungry and then move on to the other pressing issues. This should be a no-brainer.

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ELCID March 20, 2013 at 8:17 pm

What a bunch of stupid lame ass jerks. Playing to the nut ball right wing nuts who still believe that nullification is legal. NO IT’S NOT!! CHECK OUT HOW NULLIFICATION WORKED OUT IN 1859-1860! IT WAS CALLED THE CIVIL WAR AND SOUTH CAROLINA LOST BIG TIME. IN CASE YOU MISSED IT: IT WAS IN ALL THE PAPERS. ESPECIALLY THE BURNED ONES LEFT BY SHERMAN IN COLUMBIA. NOW SHUT THE F. UP AND GET BACK TO WORK ON SOMETHING FOR ALL SC CITIZENS AND QUIT WASTING MY TAX MONEY.

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? March 21, 2013 at 8:48 am

I kinda thought the issue of legality surrounding the civil war was settled after Lincoln was shot myself. Although maybe there’s room for debate, burning of Columbia vs. shooting of Lincoln….hmmm….not sure.

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ELCID March 20, 2013 at 8:17 pm

What a bunch of stupid lame ass jerks. Playing to the nut ball right wing nuts who still believe that nullification is legal. NO IT’S NOT!! CHECK OUT HOW NULLIFICATION WORKED OUT IN 1859-1860! IT WAS CALLED THE CIVIL WAR AND SOUTH CAROLINA LOST BIG TIME. IN CASE YOU MISSED IT: IT WAS IN ALL THE PAPERS. ESPECIALLY THE BURNED ONES LEFT BY SHERMAN IN COLUMBIA. NOW SHUT THE F. UP AND GET BACK TO WORK ON SOMETHING FOR ALL SC CITIZENS AND QUIT WASTING MY TAX MONEY.

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? March 21, 2013 at 8:48 am

I kinda thought the issue of legality surrounding the civil war was settled after Lincoln was shot myself. Although maybe there’s room for debate, burning of Columbia vs. shooting of Lincoln….hmmm….not sure.

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curmudgeon March 20, 2013 at 10:16 pm

We concur … it was a colossal lapse of judgment on Chumley’s part to authorize such an expense.

Chumley and judgement…isn’t that an oxymoron or is just simply moronic. The man’s is incredibly stupid.

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curmudgeon March 20, 2013 at 10:16 pm

We concur … it was a colossal lapse of judgment on Chumley’s part to authorize such an expense.

Chumley and judgement…isn’t that an oxymoron or is just simply moronic. The man’s is incredibly stupid.

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confederateliberal March 20, 2013 at 10:30 pm

I was down at the Statehouse today and saw all those wheezing old farts with Medicare coverage wearing their “Nullify ObamaCare ” stickers. What irony, a bunch of over the hill, mouth breathing turkeys being kept alive with the help of government health insurance protesting a federal requirement that other people purchase health insurance.

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confederateliberal March 20, 2013 at 10:30 pm

I was down at the Statehouse today and saw all those wheezing old farts with Medicare coverage wearing their “Nullify ObamaCare ” stickers. What irony, a bunch of over the hill, mouth breathing turkeys being kept alive with the help of government health insurance protesting a federal requirement that other people purchase health insurance.

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Maggie Mae March 21, 2013 at 7:06 am

What makes me really angry is that none of the SC state legislators are voting the way the people want them to vote. Call me stupid but I thought legislators were suppose to REPRESENT the wishes of their constituents. None of the legislators are voting the way their constituents want them to vote. I think that should tell the people to vote them out of office and find somebody that will vote how them want them to. Out SC State Legislators and the governor too think they are so much smarter than their constituents and know what is good for them – WRONG!!

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Maggie Mae March 21, 2013 at 7:06 am

What makes me really angry is that none of the SC state legislators are voting the way the people want them to vote. Call me stupid but I thought legislators were suppose to REPRESENT the wishes of their constituents. None of the legislators are voting the way their constituents want them to vote. I think that should tell the people to vote them out of office and find somebody that will vote how them want them to. Out SC State Legislators and the governor too think they are so much smarter than their constituents and know what is good for them – WRONG!!

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BigT March 21, 2013 at 8:21 am

Liberals -like FITS- are trying to CRIMINALIZE opposition to ObamaCare…The State newspaper is another Leftwing Blog trying to silence opposition to Obama-Care…

Stalin was forceful…so was Hitler…the left and Obama are trying some of the same type tactics…

How long before you go to JAIL for saying anything against Obama????

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BigT March 21, 2013 at 8:21 am

Liberals -like FITS- are trying to CRIMINALIZE opposition to ObamaCare…The State newspaper is another Leftwing Blog trying to silence opposition to Obama-Care…

Stalin was forceful…so was Hitler…the left and Obama are trying some of the same type tactics…

How long before you go to JAIL for saying anything against Obama????

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Tyrone Butternuts March 21, 2013 at 9:48 am

It has taken decades but the Dems have earned.the moral high ground in this state ever since the GOP took over the Palmetto State over with Carroll Campbell. Would love to see balanced government, not all Republicans, not all Democrats. We are a state of extremes. Cannot seem to have anything in the middle. Look at the Radical Government from the Civil War to 1876. Wade Hampton came on board in 1876 and it was the Dems until the 1970’s. Now it’s all GOP.

People need choices, not automatons mouthing the same generic bromides over and over.

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Tyrone Butternuts March 21, 2013 at 9:48 am

It has taken decades but the Dems have earned.the moral high ground in this state ever since the GOP took over the Palmetto State over with Carroll Campbell. Would love to see balanced government, not all Republicans, not all Democrats. We are a state of extremes. Cannot seem to have anything in the middle. Look at the Radical Government from the Civil War to 1876. Wade Hampton came on board in 1876 and it was the Dems until the 1970’s. Now it’s all GOP.

People need choices, not automatons mouthing the same generic bromides over and over.

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katlaurenscounty March 21, 2013 at 12:26 pm

Stop yapping at each other like children. Nullification is besides the point. You can’t refute what you don’t understand.

Obamacare is a symptom. It is unconstitutional because the platform it rests on – a
health care system that blind citizens don’t understand – is the culprit. To understand you have to do serious research and reasoning. Maybe 6 people in the country fully understand.

Here’s one – constitutional lawyer fought FDA 7 times and won.

http://www.emord.com/Jonathan-Emord.html

If you wanna know and can let go of childish jump to conclusion reasoning, spend 9 months studying these:

1) What is a standard – Underwriter’s laboratory (UL) on every lamp, for instance. Lamp manufacturer’s don’t pay royalties to use standard.

2) AMA is NOT public company. It is for profit. AMA owns medical billing codes, established around 1980’s. HHS fraud on public, codes are NOT a standard. Every piece of software, paper, everything doctor has to purchase for business has to pay royalties to AMA because of billing code.Proprietary, owned by AMA, every dollar we spend in health care gives about 30% to profit generation for AMA and cronies.

3) HHS artificially depresses treal cost of medicaid/medicare. Uses billing code control to transfer NRE and other costs for leveraging across entire medical industry with billing code infrastructure – insurance companies must buy software and use codes, pay AMA, etc.

4) AMA doesn’t have to comply with FOIA, Public Records Act, etc.

5) BUT – FDA, HHS, conduct business in AMA meetings to avoid public scrutiny

6) Case law about billing code monopoly.

7) TARP funding used to build software infrastructure industry – electronic records – and the associated NRE, profit margins, and money flow, government established monopoly and control of commercial medical market, government control of insurance companies through this infrastructure

8) FDA regulation process of new drugs, medical devices. Hides behind AMA. Billing code used as facade to control market. De facto monopoly. Drives cost up, competition down, feeds crony pockets.

Much more. Too much to learn? An informed populace is our countries biggest strength. That’s why we’re going down the tubes. We have become sound byte nation. Let’s not think too much.

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katlaurenscounty March 21, 2013 at 12:26 pm

Stop yapping at each other like children. Nullification is besides the point. You can’t refute what you don’t understand.

Obamacare is a symptom. It is unconstitutional because the platform it rests on – a
health care system that blind citizens don’t understand – is the culprit. To understand you have to do serious research and reasoning. Maybe 6 people in the country fully understand.

Here’s one – constitutional lawyer fought FDA 7 times and won.

http://www.emord.com/Jonathan-Emord.html

If you wanna know and can let go of childish jump to conclusion reasoning, spend 9 months studying these:

1) What is a standard – Underwriter’s laboratory (UL) on every lamp, for instance. Lamp manufacturer’s don’t pay royalties to use standard.

2) AMA is NOT public company. It is for profit. AMA owns medical billing codes, established around 1980’s. HHS fraud on public, codes are NOT a standard. Every piece of software, paper, everything doctor has to purchase for business has to pay royalties to AMA because of billing code.Proprietary, owned by AMA, every dollar we spend in health care gives about 30% to profit generation for AMA and cronies.

3) HHS artificially depresses treal cost of medicaid/medicare. Uses billing code control to transfer NRE and other costs for leveraging across entire medical industry with billing code infrastructure – insurance companies must buy software and use codes, pay AMA, etc.

4) AMA doesn’t have to comply with FOIA, Public Records Act, etc.

5) BUT – FDA, HHS, conduct business in AMA meetings to avoid public scrutiny

6) Case law about billing code monopoly.

7) TARP funding used to build software infrastructure industry – electronic records – and the associated NRE, profit margins, and money flow, government established monopoly and control of commercial medical market, government control of insurance companies through this infrastructure

8) FDA regulation process of new drugs, medical devices. Hides behind AMA. Billing code used as facade to control market. De facto monopoly. Drives cost up, competition down, feeds crony pockets.

Much more. Too much to learn? An informed populace is our countries biggest strength. That’s why we’re going down the tubes. We have become sound byte nation. Let’s not think too much.

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Bobbymac March 21, 2013 at 2:01 pm

Ok, I expected better from FITS. Socialized medicine? As any economics or political science teacher would tell you, socialism is defined as when the government owns the means of production. Under Obamacare the government has not taken over ownership of any hospital, medical practice or insurance company. While I understand that the FITS writers oppose Obamacare, to call it socialized medicine is simple intellectual laziness and is flat out wrong. Come on guys, at least be honest and don’t use mileading labels.

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katlaurenscounty March 21, 2013 at 2:32 pm

Gov does own means of production. No hospital, doctors office, or insurance company can be in business without paying gov for means to produce. Dig into medical industry infrastructure. Can’t refute until you do the study. Takes tedious time. Most don’t have the patience or aptitude. Have to slog through FDA procedures, etc. Have to research FAR (federal acquisition regulations) to understand giant public fraud. Read FDA dragon slayer constitutional lawyer books and info above. Then refute with facts.

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katlaurenscounty March 21, 2013 at 2:53 pm

hmmm, tried to respond don’t know where it went. Sorry if this is a repeat.

Gov does own means of production. Most folks don’t know cuz it takes lots of digging in. No doctor’s office, hospital, or insurance company can be in business unless they pay royalties to use government protected infrastructure monopoly. These companies can’t do business without using AMA’s proprietary billing codes. They have to pay royalties. AMA funnells some back into HHS in return for HHS protection of AMA monopoly. Tarp funded NRE of cronies so all businesses have to use this software. No competition. Our health care costs are sky high because every dollar pays: royalties on top of royalties to AMA; insurance companies, etc. put their burden on top of all these royalties; and HHS medicare costs funnelled into infrastructure. You can’t understand unless you study the pieces, like Federal Acquisition Regulations, and other stuff I put in my other post. If you still think gov doesn’t own means of production, I’d be interested in hearing how you refute the transfer of costs and other mechanisms designed into the system.

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Bobbymac March 21, 2013 at 2:01 pm

Ok, I expected better from FITS. Socialized medicine? As any economics or political science teacher would tell you, socialism is defined as when the government owns the means of production. Under Obamacare the government has not taken over ownership of any hospital, medical practice or insurance company. While I understand that the FITS writers oppose Obamacare, to call it socialized medicine is simple intellectual laziness and is flat out wrong. Come on guys, at least be honest and don’t use mileading labels.

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katlaurenscounty March 21, 2013 at 2:32 pm

Gov does own means of production. No hospital, doctors office, or insurance company can be in business without paying gov for means to produce. Dig into medical industry infrastructure. Can’t refute until you do the study. Takes tedious time. Most don’t have the patience or aptitude. Have to slog through FDA procedures, etc. Have to research FAR (federal acquisition regulations) to understand giant public fraud. Read FDA dragon slayer constitutional lawyer books and info above. Then refute with facts.

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katlaurenscounty March 21, 2013 at 2:53 pm

hmmm, tried to respond don’t know where it went. Sorry if this is a repeat.

Gov does own means of production. Most folks don’t know cuz it takes lots of digging in. No doctor’s office, hospital, or insurance company can be in business unless they pay royalties to use government protected infrastructure monopoly. These companies can’t do business without using AMA’s proprietary billing codes. They have to pay royalties. AMA funnells some back into HHS in return for HHS protection of AMA monopoly. Tarp funded NRE of cronies so all businesses have to use this software. No competition. Our health care costs are sky high because every dollar pays: royalties on top of royalties to AMA; insurance companies, etc. put their burden on top of all these royalties; and HHS medicare costs funnelled into infrastructure. You can’t understand unless you study the pieces, like Federal Acquisition Regulations, and other stuff I put in my other post. If you still think gov doesn’t own means of production, I’d be interested in hearing how you refute the transfer of costs and other mechanisms designed into the system.

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