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What The Hell Is Bill Nettles Doing?

South Carolina is literally awash in public corruption – but U.S. President Barack Obama’s top prosecutor in the Palmetto State doesn’t seem interested in doing much about it. Or if he is, he’s sure as hell taking his sweet time on any number of high profile cases. What has U.S….

South Carolina is literally awash in public corruption – but U.S. President Barack Obama’s top prosecutor in the Palmetto State doesn’t seem interested in doing much about it. Or if he is, he’s sure as hell taking his sweet time on any number of high profile cases.

What has U.S. Attorney Bill Nettles been doing since Obama appointed him more than three years ago? We’re not sure, but we know plenty of things he’s NOT doing.

Let’s review a few of the recent scandals, shall we?

  • In Myrtle Beach, S.C., special interests basically bribed state lawmakers and other officials to pass a local sales tax increase in 2009. The feds have been investigating this “Coastal Kickback” for years, but to date no charges have been brought.
  • In Lexington, S.C., a group of corrupt politicians and crooked cops were linked to a sophisticated video poker operation last summer. Again, the feds are said to be investigating the “Lexington Ring,” but to date no charges have been brought.
  • In Richland County, S.C., elected officials and supporters of a $1.2 billion tax hike conspired to remove a veteran poll manager and replace him with one of their stooges. The result? A rigged election which disenfranchised thousands. There have been rumors of a USDOJ probe into the “Richland County Robbery,” but so far we’ve heard nothing to confirm those allegations.
  • At the state level (in addition to the scandals surrounding Gov. Nikki Haley and Speaker Bobby Harrell), there is evidence suggesting the leader of South Carolina’s $26 billion pension fund steered its investment commission toward deals in which he had (has) a direct stake.

And these are just a few of the big ticket items …

Six years ago then-S.C. Treasurer Thomas Ravenel purchased some cocaine for use at a private party – something we believe he should be able to do. However the U.S. Attorney’s office busted him for this “crime” – and sent him to a federal prison for ten months. Meanwhile the public officials running our state into the ground continue to conduct their shady deals with impunity.

We understand Nettles personal life has been a disaster since he took this job, but that’s no excuse for his office’s dismal record of investigating and prosecuting public corruption. Seriously … what’s the point of having a U.S. Attorney if all he does is look the other way when our state’s elected officials habitually break the law?

We’ve always believed law enforcement to be a core function of government. And while we strenuously object to the unchecked proliferation of federal statutes (a.k.a. “overcriminalization”), in these instances there is a clear and compelling need for someone to drop the hammer.

If Nettles is unable or unwilling to do that, then he should be replaced by someone who takes this job more seriously …

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85 comments

CorruptionInColumbia February 28, 2013 at 9:33 am

Damn, Fits!!!!! I have but one thing to say about this article. THANK YOU!!!!!!! That needed to be said. It’s too bad you don’t work for The State or other, more widely read media. Of course, those outlets couldn’t handle the truth that you bring to the table.

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shifty henry February 28, 2013 at 9:33 am

Looking back at his pedigree and history, he appears to be just another local “good ole boy” who probably wants to , well…….enough said at this point.

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CorruptionInColumbia February 28, 2013 at 9:33 am

Damn, Fits!!!!! I have but one thing to say about this article. THANK YOU!!!!!!! That needed to be said. It’s too bad you don’t work for The State or other, more widely read media. Of course, those outlets couldn’t handle the truth that you bring to the table.

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shifty henry February 28, 2013 at 9:33 am

Looking back at his pedigree and history, he appears to be just another local “good ole boy” who probably wants to , well…….enough said at this point.

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Jennifer Levine February 28, 2013 at 9:37 am

“The feds are said to be investigating,” “there are rumors of a USDOJ probe,” something “suggests” something, you “heard” this or that… Do U.S. Attorneys General generally “drop the hammer” on suppositions and conspiracy theories? No, because that would be a waste of the taxpayer resources you hold so dear. The actual justice system relies on evidence, not half-baked assumptions brought up by a bitter blogger who doesn’t like certain people and throws in a quick line about someone’s personal life being a “disaster” (pot meet kettle) to deflect from the lack of actual evidence in any of these situations. Oh, and speaking of taking one’s sweet time – don’t you have a book forthcoming?

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Sailor February 28, 2013 at 1:06 pm

Ziiinnnngg!

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katlaurenscounty February 28, 2013 at 3:02 pm

I agree FITS doesn’t do real investigation and usually confuses facts with baloney. But this piece’s implication – that Nettles isn’t meeting his responsibility to citizens – happens to be congruent with reasoned conclusion of fact. Citizens create, by delegation through our constitutions and laws, positional authority and primary job priorities of every servant. It’s true in a court of law we’d have to ‘prove’ he’s doing wrong. But servants have fundamental duty to earn our trust, and laws that mandate disclosure codify servant’s duty to prove they are doing right, and SC FOIA assigns negative presumption, ‘irreparable injury’ when servants don’t disclose. Assuming Nettles serves citizens first when there’s no indication on his website of any action on one of our highest priorities – getting rid of corrupt legislators -relieves him of the duty to earn our trust. It puts the burden on citizens to ‘prove’ the way he’s doing the job doesn’t meet our priorities. This burden cripples citizen authority over servants. It also fosters irrational proposition that servant ignores priorities of the servant or
political party that affects their income, to serve citizens.

Given the real data (case law of lawyer misuse/misapplication of law; ethical rulings, etc.) on the legal profession’s disregard/disrespect for law, assuming Nettles isn’t doing anything wrong perpetuates servant arrogance. SC legal profession advertises ‘special duty’ to the law, and they are to advance public confidence in their profession. Nettles failure to take action on SC Judiciary’s violation of separation of powers, and other issues, is a quantifiable trust damaging fact in itself.

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shifty henry February 28, 2013 at 3:13 pm

Interesting, and I would like to know what your point is, explained in simple language for a non-attorney – like me. Thanks

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katlaurenscounty February 28, 2013 at 7:30 pm

Apologies shifty for my failure, spent all this time trying to simplify..Hope I got the point I didn’t make above Two handicaps. Female, million word a day quota. Trained data geek. Must gather, must compile, must obsess and analyze….

1) SC FOIA 30-4-100 says “violation…must be considered irreparable injury”. Violation = servant refusal to disclose activities to Big Boss (citizen creators of servant job positional and sovereign authority). Law explicitly forbids good faith exemption, which is when sally servant says “oh I didn’t know I have to show THOSE records!!”.Can’t be good faith, so presumption when violator fails to disclose must be negative (hiding something, etc. Discussed in case law). Law explicitly limits servant authority to conceal info from boss to matters designated confidential. Servant’s duty to disclose includes everything not explicitly qualified as confidential, including job performance data.

2) Nettles has to do Big Boss will. Like all, self interest comes first. His income depends on his raises, which he gets when he meets objectives set by other servants (i.e prosecute x amount of these cases get y bonus).

4) SC Judiciary – Per objective data (oh ihopeihopeihope you ask for data shifty must meet quota….), can’t reliably deliver ‘fair rulings’. Dumb for any citizen to believe courts, legal profession. Crap shoot. Rulings aren’t measured for judge compliance to/respect for law. Case data proves client legal affairs victimized by lawyers and judges. Citizens pay to get trial orders. Orders shot down on appeal because lawyer/judge misused misapplied law, ignored truth, etc. Nobody knows how many orders follow law. Following law not tracked.

Legal profession “Regulation process” GIANT PUBLIC FRAUD. In rare cases where lawyer/judge is disciplined for screwing client affairs, discipline happens AFTER incompetent, lazy, corrupt, etc. lawyer/judge victimized client. Citizen paid lawyer and Judiciary tax dollars to get screwed by legal prof.

Legal prof regulation relies on lawyer/judge to ‘protect’ citizens from corrupt lawyer/judge, by observe and ‘report’ misconduct of other. .STUPID JUDICIARY. Sure, clients agree their hired lawyer can spend trial court billable hours reviewing another lawyer’s conduct for compliance to the Rules of Professional Conduct. Ohh, even better STUPID JUDICIARY, the lawyer will take time away from income generation and donate his time to monitor other lawyers!!!!

Even if judge/lawyer reports another during trial proceedings, disciplinary process can’t stop proceeding during which the client is being screwed by dickwad incompetent unethical lawyer/judge.

Judiciary accountability report calls this stupid, simplistic, kindergarten level crap ‘professional regulation’. From a profession purportedly ‘expertly trained’ in logic, it’s shocking. Except I’ve personally witnessed sufficient blathering idiocy (or intent to expertly mislead) from SC lawyers and judges, including AG Wilson’s spokesman Powell, that forces the conclusion factually founded trained logic is not a core competency of this state’s legal profession.

Lawyers and legislators make court rules. Higher Court Clerk told me ‘Legislators represent the public in making court rules’. MENTAL FLABBERY FROM A SC LAW SCHOOL GRADUATE!!! To SC lawyers/judges that support this horsecrap – Pay Attention. Get your aspirin for the headache some of you might get. This aint personal, I like some of you.

Citizens created Judiciary. Judiciary powers and tools – subpoena, court orders, etc created to SERVE and PROTECT creator authority, power, rights. Judiciary HIGHEST DUTY (presuming we rule ourselves through our law) – giving citizens means to directly limit servant abuse. Citizens have inherent unalienable authority, and duty of self governing, to use these tools. AGAINST SERVANT ABUSE

Legislators can’t vest themselves with authority to represent Citizen unalienable and ownership interest and rights, in operation of another branch. Judiciary can’t let other servant – legislator – represent master’s interests in the rules that could be used against that servant. Starting to get a clue why SC is one of the most corrupt in the county? Legal professionals foster this corruption. Documented data, anyone???….

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shifty henry February 28, 2013 at 9:23 pm

Thanks for the additional analysis which gives me something to mull over.
Which reminds me—-

—- Judges don’t always seem to make sense. A man found himself in front of a judge on two matters. In the first, the man’s wife was trying to get a divorce because he was impotent. In the second, his secretary wanted child support. The man lost both cases.
And on the other side—-
Lawyer 1) Are these your witnesses?
Lawyer 2) They are.
Lawyer 3) Then you win. I’ve had them as witnesses twice myself.

katlaurenscounty February 28, 2013 at 11:44 pm

Love it shifty! Your posts crack me up and refresh from my..long.. wallowing.

shifty henry March 1, 2013 at 10:11 am

—- Here are 3 for the weekend

1) A tourist came out of bar in Five Points and asked a cop how to get to the State House, and the cop said, “First you go up to Gervais Street, if you get that far….”

2) What’s the difference between a lawyer and a rooster?
When a rooster wakes up in the morning, its primal urge is to cluck defiance!

3) A lawyer shows up at the pearly gates and St. Peter says, “Normally, we don’t let you people in here, but you’re in luck. We have a special this week. You go to Hell for the length of time you were alive, then you get to come back to Heaven for eternity.”

The lawyer says, “I’ll take the deal!”

St. Peter says, “Good, I’ll put you down for two hundred and twelve years in Hell…”

The lawyer says, “What are you talking about? I’m only sixty-five years old!”

St. Peter says, “Up here we go by billing hours.”

shifty henry March 1, 2013 at 10:29 am

—- having survived a divorce, I can’t resist this one

A lawyer’s wife was unhappy with the condition of their home. The furniture was old and dirty, the drapes torn, and the carpet half eaten away. In fact, she demanded a complete renovation. The lawyer said, “Look, dear. I just got a new divorce case today. As soon as I break up their home, we’ll start fixing up ours!”

shifty henry February 28, 2013 at 10:24 pm

It was one of the most gruesome cases ever to come before the court, and if found guilty, the defendant would spend the rest of life behind bars. The case had not been proceeding well for the defense. Though there was no direct evidence, the circumstantial evidence was quite compelling. The only chance the lawyer had was to cast some doubt in the minds of the jurors. His only hope was to attack the testimony of the medical examiner.

Lawyer) “And prior to declaring the victim dead, did you check his pulse?”

Doctor) “No.

Lawyer) “Did you perform CPR?”

Doctor) “No.”

Lawyer) “Did you do anything to determine if the victim was still alive prior to declaring him dead?”

Doctor) “No.”

Lawyer) “Then, Doctor, isn’t it possible that prior to your declaring the victim dead that, in fact he may have been alive, and that it was your negligence that caused the death?”

Doctor) “Aside from the fact that his brain was in a jar on my desk, I suppose he could have been out practicing law.”

Thomas February 28, 2013 at 11:18 pm

Take your time. I appreciate the time involved to put it all together.Do not try to talk down to people who do not read; talk as you know this. Please, give us documents and links. I speak for myself. You are making sense. Write off line, copy and paste here on this thread. The thread may be off the front page, but the discussion should continue. Bookmark this page. Oh, most around here are just fooling about, the majority are just self-infatuated, while some do want to pull back the curtain. Let’s start pulling back the curtain…good points so far.

katlaurenscounty March 1, 2013 at 12:16 am

Will do. Just caught your response, so won’t post again till late tomorrow, on this thread, links, etc. I am so very heartened by your interest in delving into the data. I CANT WAIT till you review the correspondence from the SCPRT lawyer in which she fabricated facts to hide Parrish mismanagement. Gov office and OIG flailing around, they don’t know our state law. It’s pathetic!!! Most people’s reliance on opinion, combined with prevalent lack of interest in studying, documenting, and direct one on one challenge with specific servants and their lawyers, forces my surmise my commitment to these activities is odd. My other half would guffaw and affirm I am odd. I deny it….

Please March 1, 2013 at 9:29 am

So you have actual evidence on the cases FITS mentioned above where he alleges inaction by Nettles? And you haven’t given it to Nettles or anyone who could do something about these cases, but you’re going to post it here? Riiiight. You can know how the law is supposed to work all day long, but unless you have some evidence in these particular cases, what’s your point here, other than trying to show off? Let’s see what you’ve got, “whistle blower.”

katlaurenscounty March 1, 2013 at 1:39 pm

From your emotional posture I’m guessing you’re a SC Judiciary insider. Or, understandably, you didn’t fully process the wording in my posts. Here, let me help you clear your defensive fog ” Nettles isn’t meeting his responsibility to citizens” (see post). Once the fog clears and you reread my posts, you will notice I didn’t make any assertion that Nettles is or isn’t doing any particular thing or case.

Apparently you didn’t notice my point: in the absence of disclosure,
citizens who assume what Nettles is doing consent to subordinate citizen priorities to servants. Here, I’ll reiterate a little simpler – Nettles has the burden to disclose his activities, and prove he prioritizes citizen priorities. His website is absent any indicator he’s involved in cases serving one of SC citizen highest priorities – cleaning up our legislature. A proper deduction for citizens who don’t subordinate themselves to servants, is, either Nettles is not involved in said cases, or, he doesn’t care to earn our trust by telling us he is.

Don’t be foolish. I am not saying he has to reveal
details.

Easy to see why citizen authority over servants who spend our money is weak. Your insistence I ‘prove’ Nettles is involved in cases when he hasn’t disclosed his involvement is a transparent attempt to remove the burden of proof from a servant. I’d say it’s highly likely you’re earn a servant income or you’re a legal prof benefiting from public support of your biz club – the courts.

As to whistleblowing, been there, done that, doing that, recordings, emails, pictures, etc. SLED investigating one of my complaints, Sec of State another. More complaints to come.Links and docs coming. Investigated, gathered, posted emails such as
County Attorney directing private entity to funnel donation through
another public official, for deposit into his escrow account. Documented
interaction of my reports to AG office. How about SCPRT lawyer
fabricating facts to conceal Parrish mismanagement? Got those emails
too. Gov office and OIG dragging ass. No surprise. Don’t do this because I expect good results. Doing it to establish irrefutable, objective, factual pattern – can citizens use our laws to limit abuse of servants, or not? If not, time to reject the laws and servants who misuse it to thwart citizen authority.

Citizens mistakenly believe big corruption is what counts. WRONG. Rule of law is our self governing process. It means equal application (big or small). It means citizens can use it in our own back yards. Or it becomes arbitrary and capricous.

As to ‘showing off’, that’s a compliment. I’m pretty sure claims of showing off are usually directed to flamboyant, pleasant, marketing type folks, not oddballs. I don’t think show offs show up to work with greatly mismatched shoes, inside out clothes (guilty…) My inner circle would laugh their asses off at the idea that I would, or could, show off without increasing the oddball factor. During my career one subordinate had to go to another building to get her husband (both were scientists who escaped from Russia). He came to work wearing pajamas. I am NOT making this up!!! Oddballs only show off to other oddballs. Think Big Bang show. The show is dead on in the way geeks communicate – odd to everybody else.

katlaurenscounty March 2, 2013 at 12:25 pm

Thomas you still here? More input/direction from you please, helps me. Maybe can help others who care to analyze real data. Most of my documented data, and analysis thereof (servant emails I obtained during litigation discovery; docs released in response to my FOIA requests; servant sops, accountability reports; some of my draft analysis and reports, etc….emphasis DRAFT ) are already posted on my website except recent correspondence (past two or three months) from/to Wilson/SLED/SCPRT lawyer/haley’s aid, OIG, etc. I am working to ‘packet’ data so it can be easier correlated/accessed by others. Target of my work is to objectively determine by irrefutable pattern of factually documented conduct of servants, if the legal profession’s corruption of the Judiciary has completely thwarted citizen authority to use tools embodied in law (subpoenas/restraining orders/etc) to protect our unalienable authority. I’m not in charge if I can’t limit and redress a particular servant’s abuses. If I can’t use my Judiciary withotu ‘permission’ of a lawyer (member of the Judiciary) then citizens dont rule ourselves. Investigation/analysis in three areas:

website: laurenscountycitizenswatch. Feel free to correspond to my email. kat@laurenscountycitizenswatch.com

1)Individual conduct of specific officials. See website investigations tab.

2)Gov infrastructure systemic operations. Other tabs – Revie (of various servants) Administrative Action; Judiciary: Lawsuits; etc.

3)Authority/limitations/delegation, citizen, servant, unalienable, sovereignty, etc. Other tabs: Resources, etc.

Jennifer Levine February 28, 2013 at 9:37 am

“The feds are said to be investigating,” “there are rumors of a USDOJ probe,” something “suggests” something, you “heard” this or that… Do U.S. Attorneys General generally “drop the hammer” on suppositions and conspiracy theories? No, because that would be a waste of the taxpayer resources you hold so dear. The actual justice system relies on evidence, not half-baked assumptions brought up by a bitter blogger who doesn’t like certain people and throws in a quick line about someone’s personal life being a “disaster” (pot meet kettle) to deflect from the lack of actual evidence in any of these situations. Oh, and speaking of taking one’s sweet time – don’t you have a book forthcoming?

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Sailor February 28, 2013 at 1:06 pm

Ziiinnnngg!

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katlaurenscounty February 28, 2013 at 3:02 pm

I agree FITS doesn’t do real investigation and usually confuses facts with baloney. But this piece’s implication – that Nettles isn’t meeting his responsibility to citizens – happens to be congruent with reasoned conclusion of fact. Citizens create, by delegation through our constitutions and laws, positional authority and primary job priorities of every servant. It’s true in a court of law we’d have to ‘prove’ he’s doing wrong. But servants have fundamental duty to earn our trust, and laws that mandate disclosure codify servant’s duty to prove they are doing right, and SC FOIA assigns negative presumption, ‘irreparable injury’ when servants don’t disclose. Assuming Nettles serves citizens first when there’s no indication on his website of any action on one of our highest priorities – getting rid of corrupt legislators -relieves him of the duty to earn our trust. It puts the burden on citizens to ‘prove’ the way he’s doing the job doesn’t meet our priorities. This burden cripples citizen authority over servants. It also fosters irrational proposition that servant ignores priorities of the servant or
political party that affects their income, to serve citizens.

Given the real data (case law of lawyer misuse/misapplication of law; ethical rulings, etc.) on the legal profession’s disregard/disrespect for law, assuming Nettles isn’t doing anything wrong perpetuates servant arrogance. SC legal profession advertises ‘special duty’ to the law, and they are to advance public confidence in their profession. Nettles failure to take action on SC Judiciary’s violation of separation of powers, and other issues, is a quantifiable trust damaging fact in itself.

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shifty henry February 28, 2013 at 3:13 pm

Interesting, and I would like to know what your point is, explained in simple language for a non-attorney – like me. Thanks

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katlaurenscounty February 28, 2013 at 7:30 pm

Apologies shifty for my failure, spent all this time trying to simplify..Hope I got the point I didn’t make above Two handicaps. Female, million word a day quota. Trained data geek. Must gather, must compile, must obsess and analyze….

1) SC FOIA 30-4-100 says “violation…must be considered irreparable injury”. Violation = servant refusal to disclose activities to Big Boss (citizen creators of servant job positional and sovereign authority). Law explicitly forbids good faith exemption, which is when sally servant says “oh I didn’t know I have to show THOSE records!!”.Can’t be good faith, so presumption when violator fails to disclose must be negative (hiding something, etc. Discussed in case law). Law explicitly limits servant authority to conceal info from boss to matters designated confidential. Servant’s duty to disclose includes everything not explicitly qualified as confidential, including job performance data.

2) Nettles has to do Big Boss will. Like all, self interest comes first. His income depends on his raises, which he gets when he meets objectives set by other servants (i.e prosecute x amount of these cases get y bonus).

4) SC Judiciary – Per objective data (oh ihopeihopeihope you ask for data shifty must meet quota….), can’t reliably deliver ‘fair rulings’. Dumb for any citizen to believe courts, legal profession. Crap shoot. Rulings aren’t measured for judge compliance to/respect for law. Case data proves client legal affairs victimized by lawyers and judges. Citizens pay to get trial orders. Orders shot down on appeal because lawyer/judge misused misapplied law, ignored truth, etc. Nobody knows how many orders follow law. Following law not tracked.

Legal profession “Regulation process” GIANT PUBLIC FRAUD. In rare cases where lawyer/judge is disciplined for screwing client affairs, discipline happens AFTER incompetent, lazy, corrupt, etc. lawyer/judge victimized client. Citizen paid lawyer and Judiciary tax dollars to get screwed by legal prof.

Legal prof regulation relies on lawyer/judge to ‘protect’ citizens from corrupt lawyer/judge, by observe and ‘report’ misconduct of other. .STUPID JUDICIARY. Sure, clients agree their hired lawyer can spend trial court billable hours reviewing another lawyer’s conduct for compliance to the Rules of Professional Conduct. Ohh, even better STUPID JUDICIARY, the lawyer will take time away from income generation and donate his time to monitor other lawyers!!!!

Even if judge/lawyer reports another during trial proceedings, disciplinary process can’t stop proceeding during which the client is being screwed by dickwad incompetent unethical lawyer/judge.

Judiciary accountability report calls this stupid, simplistic, kindergarten level crap ‘professional regulation’. From a profession purportedly ‘expertly trained’ in logic, it’s shocking. Except I’ve personally witnessed sufficient blathering idiocy (or intent to expertly mislead) from SC lawyers and judges, including AG Wilson’s spokesman Powell, that forces the conclusion factually founded trained logic is not a core competency of this state’s legal profession.

Lawyers and legislators make court rules. Higher Court Clerk told me ‘Legislators represent the public in making court rules’. MENTAL FLABBERY FROM A SC LAW SCHOOL GRADUATE!!! To SC lawyers/judges that support this horsecrap – Pay Attention. Get your aspirin for the headache some of you might get. This aint personal, I like some of you.

Citizens created Judiciary. Judiciary powers and tools – subpoena, court orders, etc created to SERVE and PROTECT creator authority, power, rights. Judiciary HIGHEST DUTY (presuming we rule ourselves through our law) – giving citizens means to directly limit servant abuse. Citizens have inherent unalienable authority, and duty of self governing, to use these tools. AGAINST SERVANT ABUSE

Legislators can’t vest themselves with authority to represent Citizen unalienable and ownership interest and rights, in operation of another branch. Judiciary can’t let other servant – legislator – represent master’s interests in the rules that could be used against that servant. Starting to get a clue why SC is one of the most corrupt in the county? Legal professionals foster this corruption. Documented data, anyone???….

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shifty henry February 28, 2013 at 9:23 pm

Thanks for the additional analysis which gives me something to mull over.
Which reminds me—-

—- Judges don’t always seem to make sense. A man found himself in front of a judge on two matters. In the first, the man’s wife was trying to get a divorce because he was impotent. In the second, his secretary wanted child support. The man lost both cases.
And on the other side—-
Lawyer 1) Are these your witnesses?
Lawyer 2) They are.
Lawyer 3) Then you win. I’ve had them as witnesses twice myself.

katlaurenscounty February 28, 2013 at 11:44 pm

Love it shifty! Your posts crack me up and refresh from my..long.. wallowing.

shifty henry March 1, 2013 at 10:11 am

—- Here are 3 for the weekend

1) A tourist came out of bar in Five Points and asked a cop how to get to the State House, and the cop said, “First you go up to Gervais Street, if you get that far….”

2) What’s the difference between a lawyer and a rooster?
When a rooster wakes up in the morning, its primal urge is to cluck defiance!

3) A lawyer shows up at the pearly gates and St. Peter says, “Normally, we don’t let you people in here, but you’re in luck. We have a special this week. You go to Hell for the length of time you were alive, then you get to come back to Heaven for eternity.”

The lawyer says, “I’ll take the deal!”

St. Peter says, “Good, I’ll put you down for two hundred and twelve years in Hell…”

The lawyer says, “What are you talking about? I’m only sixty-five years old!”

St. Peter says, “Up here we go by billing hours.”

shifty henry March 1, 2013 at 10:29 am

—- having survived a divorce, I can’t resist this one

A lawyer’s wife was unhappy with the condition of their home. The furniture was old and dirty, the drapes torn, and the carpet half eaten away. In fact, she demanded a complete renovation. The lawyer said, “Look, dear. I just got a new divorce case today. As soon as I break up their home, we’ll start fixing up ours!”

shifty henry February 28, 2013 at 10:24 pm

It was one of the most gruesome cases ever to come before the court, and if found guilty, the defendant would spend the rest of life behind bars. The case had not been proceeding well for the defense. Though there was no direct evidence, the circumstantial evidence was quite compelling. The only chance the lawyer had was to cast some doubt in the minds of the jurors. His only hope was to attack the testimony of the medical examiner.

Lawyer) “And prior to declaring the victim dead, did you check his pulse?”

Doctor) “No.

Lawyer) “Did you perform CPR?”

Doctor) “No.”

Lawyer) “Did you do anything to determine if the victim was still alive prior to declaring him dead?”

Doctor) “No.”

Lawyer) “Then, Doctor, isn’t it possible that prior to your declaring the victim dead that, in fact he may have been alive, and that it was your negligence that caused the death?”

Doctor) “Aside from the fact that his brain was in a jar on my desk, I suppose he could have been out practicing law.”

Thomas February 28, 2013 at 11:18 pm

Take your time. I appreciate the time involved to put it all together.Do not try to talk down to people who do not read; talk as you know this. Please, give us documents and links. I speak for myself. You are making sense. Write off line, copy and paste here on this thread. The thread may be off the front page, but the discussion should continue. Bookmark this page. Oh, most around here are just fooling about, the majority are just self-infatuated, while some do want to pull back the curtain. Let’s start pulling back the curtain…good points so far.

katlaurenscounty March 1, 2013 at 12:16 am

Will do. Just caught your response, so won’t post again till late tomorrow, on this thread, links, etc. I am so very heartened by your interest in delving into the data. I CANT WAIT till you review the correspondence from the SCPRT lawyer in which she fabricated facts to hide Parrish mismanagement. Gov office and OIG flailing around, they don’t know our state law. It’s pathetic!!! Most people’s reliance on opinion, combined with prevalent lack of interest in studying, documenting, and direct one on one challenge with specific servants and their lawyers, forces my surmise my commitment to these activities is odd. My other half would guffaw and affirm I am odd. I deny it….

Please March 1, 2013 at 9:29 am

So you have actual evidence on the cases FITS mentioned above where he alleges inaction by Nettles? And you haven’t given it to Nettles or anyone who could do something about these cases, but you’re going to post it here? Riiiight. You can know how the law is supposed to work all day long, but unless you have some evidence in these particular cases, what’s your point here, other than trying to show off? Let’s see what you’ve got, “whistle blower.”

katlaurenscounty March 1, 2013 at 1:39 pm

From your emotional posture I’m guessing you’re a SC Judiciary insider. Or, understandably, you didn’t fully process the wording in my posts. Here, let me help you clear your defensive fog ” Nettles isn’t meeting his responsibility to citizens” (see post). Once the fog clears and you reread my posts, you will notice I didn’t make any assertion that Nettles is or isn’t doing any particular thing or case.

Apparently you didn’t notice my point: in the absence of disclosure,
citizens who assume what Nettles is doing consent to subordinate citizen priorities to servants. Here, I’ll reiterate a little simpler – Nettles has the burden to disclose his activities, and prove he prioritizes citizen priorities. His website is absent any indicator he’s involved in cases serving one of SC citizen highest priorities – cleaning up our legislature. A proper deduction for citizens who don’t subordinate themselves to servants, is, either Nettles is not involved in said cases, or, he doesn’t care to earn our trust by telling us he is.

Don’t be foolish. I am not saying he has to reveal
details.

Easy to see why citizen authority over servants who spend our money is weak. Your insistence I ‘prove’ Nettles is involved in cases when he hasn’t disclosed his involvement is a transparent attempt to remove the burden of proof from a servant. I’d say it’s highly likely you’re earn a servant income or you’re a legal prof benefiting from public support of your biz club – the courts.

As to whistleblowing, been there, done that, doing that, recordings, emails, pictures, etc. SLED investigating one of my complaints, Sec of State another. More complaints to come.Links and docs coming. Investigated, gathered, posted emails such as
County Attorney directing private entity to funnel donation through
another public official, for deposit into his escrow account. Documented
interaction of my reports to AG office. How about SCPRT lawyer
fabricating facts to conceal Parrish mismanagement? Got those emails
too. Gov office and OIG dragging ass. No surprise. Don’t do this because I expect good results. Doing it to establish irrefutable, objective, factual pattern – can citizens use our laws to limit abuse of servants, or not? If not, time to reject the laws and servants who misuse it to thwart citizen authority.

Citizens mistakenly believe big corruption is what counts. WRONG. Rule of law is our self governing process. It means equal application (big or small). It means citizens can use it in our own back yards. Or it becomes arbitrary and capricous.

As to ‘showing off’, that’s a compliment. I’m pretty sure claims of showing off are usually directed to flamboyant, pleasant, marketing type folks, not oddballs. I don’t think show offs show up to work with greatly mismatched shoes, inside out clothes (guilty…) My inner circle would laugh their asses off at the idea that I would, or could, show off without increasing the oddball factor. During my career one subordinate had to go to another building to get her husband (both were scientists who escaped from Russia). He came to work wearing pajamas. I am NOT making this up!!! Oddballs only show off to other oddballs. Think Big Bang show. The show is dead on in the way geeks communicate – odd to everybody else.

katlaurenscounty March 2, 2013 at 12:25 pm

Thomas you still here? More input/direction from you please, helps me. Maybe can help others who care to analyze real data. Most of my documented data, and analysis thereof (servant emails I obtained during litigation discovery; docs released in response to my FOIA requests; servant sops, accountability reports; some of my draft analysis and reports, etc….emphasis DRAFT ) are already posted on my website except recent correspondence (past two or three months) from/to Wilson/SLED/SCPRT lawyer/haley’s aid, OIG, etc. I am working to ‘packet’ data so it can be easier correlated/accessed by others. Target of my work is to objectively determine by irrefutable pattern of factually documented conduct of servants, if the legal profession’s corruption of the Judiciary has completely thwarted citizen authority to use tools embodied in law (subpoenas/restraining orders/etc) to protect our unalienable authority. I’m not in charge if I can’t limit and redress a particular servant’s abuses. If I can’t use my Judiciary withotu ‘permission’ of a lawyer (member of the Judiciary) then citizens dont rule ourselves. Investigation/analysis in three areas:

website: laurenscountycitizenswatch. Feel free to correspond to my email. kat@laurenscountycitizenswatch.com

1)Individual conduct of specific officials. See website investigations tab.

2)Gov infrastructure systemic operations. Other tabs – Revie (of various servants) Administrative Action; Judiciary: Lawsuits; etc.

3)Authority/limitations/delegation, citizen, servant, unalienable, sovereignty, etc. Other tabs: Resources, etc.

? February 28, 2013 at 9:40 am

Looking for answers as to why one gov’t employee isn’t actively monitoring/correcting/prosecuting other gov’t employees?

George Carlin told everyone years ago:

“It’s a big club, and you ain’t in it.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5dBZDSSky0

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katlaurenscounty February 28, 2013 at 11:38 am

Amen. Nettles is member of SC Judiciary. All SC attorneys must tacitly support Toal’s approach in prioritizing income generation and protection of public officials, as the Judiciary’s first order of business. Said attorneys don’t want to piss judges off, which negatively impacts lawyer personal income. Factual support: NO EVIDENCE judges/lawyers know, follow, and respect law (Court rulings AREN’T measured to see if ‘legal experts’ uphold and respect law); Judiciary Accountability report; business process design fundamentals;case rulings, Judiciary lack of procedures in some areas/misuse and disregard by tacit agreement of insiders (makes court operation arbitrary, capricious and closed to the public)

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? February 28, 2013 at 12:12 pm

Yup, Yup, & Yup. In laymen’s terms(to which I am limited), it’s all a big joke/farce. You have to feel for anyone caught up in most aspects of the justice system…looking for “justice”.

Better to just avoid the whole corrupted mess as legalities outside of the “state vs. john doe” mean little…and when such legalities do matter it’s to aid the State in bringing the hammer down on john doe/joe sixpack.

Even Rod Serling saw this coming:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbLFT9MbKmw

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? February 28, 2013 at 9:40 am

Looking for answers as to why one gov’t employee isn’t actively monitoring/correcting/prosecuting other gov’t employees?

George Carlin told everyone years ago:

“It’s a big club, and you ain’t in it.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5dBZDSSky0

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katlaurenscounty February 28, 2013 at 11:38 am

Amen. Nettles is member of SC Judiciary. All SC attorneys must tacitly support Toal’s approach in prioritizing income generation and protection of public officials, as the Judiciary’s first order of business. Said attorneys don’t want to piss judges off, which negatively impacts lawyer personal income. Factual support: NO EVIDENCE judges/lawyers know, follow, and respect law (Court rulings AREN’T measured to see if ‘legal experts’ uphold and respect law); Judiciary Accountability report; business process design fundamentals;case rulings, Judiciary lack of procedures in some areas/misuse and disregard by tacit agreement of insiders (makes court operation arbitrary, capricious and closed to the public)

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? February 28, 2013 at 12:12 pm

Yup, Yup, & Yup. In laymen’s terms(to which I am limited), it’s all a big joke/farce. You have to feel for anyone caught up in most aspects of the justice system…looking for “justice”.

Better to just avoid the whole corrupted mess as legalities outside of the “state vs. john doe” mean little…and when such legalities do matter it’s to aid the State in bringing the hammer down on john doe/joe sixpack.

Even Rod Serling saw this coming:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbLFT9MbKmw

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James Fleming Jr February 28, 2013 at 10:02 am

This this shows the world how corrupt politics have become in America and the general population could care less!

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James Fleming Jr February 28, 2013 at 10:02 am

This this shows the world how corrupt politics have become in America and the general population could care less!

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Constantine February 28, 2013 at 10:06 am

Kind of wrong to call him Obama’s US Attorney, the USAs are basically picked by the Senators from the state they serve in….kinda like the District Court Judges.

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bozmartin February 28, 2013 at 6:03 pm

That doesn’t mean the DOJ can’t exert some mighty damned strong influence on them. Doesn’t mean that at all. He is their man here, and ultimately Toal and the others are not shit to them.

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slumber jughugger February 28, 2013 at 10:06 am

This is all very interesting, but also curious. As I sit on my craggy mountain perch overlooking the valley below, I can hear the echoes of discontent bouncing among the rocks. Sometimes there is the ring of truth out there.

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Constantine February 28, 2013 at 10:06 am

Kind of wrong to call him Obama’s US Attorney, the USAs are basically picked by the Senators from the state they serve in….kinda like the District Court Judges.

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slumber jughugger February 28, 2013 at 10:06 am

This is all very interesting, but also curious. As I sit on my craggy mountain perch overlooking the valley below, I can hear the echoes of discontent bouncing among the rocks. Sometimes there is the ring of truth out there.

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shifty henry February 28, 2013 at 10:12 am

Sigh…….. did anyone forget that today is —– PUBLIC SLEEPING DAY?

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shifty henry February 28, 2013 at 10:12 am

Sigh…….. did anyone forget that today is —– PUBLIC SLEEPING DAY?

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The Stimulus Pack February 28, 2013 at 10:21 am

It’s simple, he is participating in the corruption. As long as they include him in the payoffs he will not do anything.
What we need is a real life A TEAM to start exposing all the corruption and a few will start singing and their house of cards will come falling down.

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The Stimulus Pack February 28, 2013 at 10:21 am

It’s simple, he is participating in the corruption. As long as they include him in the payoffs he will not do anything.
What we need is a real life A TEAM to start exposing all the corruption and a few will start singing and their house of cards will come falling down.

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jimlewisowb February 28, 2013 at 10:39 am

The husband returned home unexpectedly to retrieve his briefcase from the hall closet

Upon opening the closet door he recognized the Exterminator

What are you doing
Checking for moths

Why are you naked
Damn, those little sons of bitches are good

Even if Nettles managed to open any doors to corruption he wouldn’t know what in the hell to do with what he may find

Oh while I am online, a free pitcher of Ying Ling at your convenience. Not everyone is willing to whip it out and piss in the cornflakes of a sitting US Attorney

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jimlewisowb February 28, 2013 at 10:39 am

The husband returned home unexpectedly to retrieve his briefcase from the hall closet

Upon opening the closet door he recognized the Exterminator

What are you doing
Checking for moths

Why are you naked
Damn, those little sons of bitches are good

Even if Nettles managed to open any doors to corruption he wouldn’t know what in the hell to do with what he may find

Oh while I am online, a free pitcher of Ying Ling at your convenience. Not everyone is willing to whip it out and piss in the cornflakes of a sitting US Attorney

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misstate February 28, 2013 at 11:06 am

Fits and all his made up scandals. So silly. Maybe they are waiting for your “book” to come out.

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bozmartin February 28, 2013 at 12:18 pm

Right. None of these people are corrupt. They are all pure as the driven snow. None of these investigations are real. And I am a dead ringer for Brad Pitt.

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Mad February 28, 2013 at 5:30 pm

“Pure as the driven snow”

Now we know why it does not snow in Columbia South Carolina.

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misstate February 28, 2013 at 11:06 am

Fits and all his made up scandals. So silly. Maybe they are waiting for your “book” to come out.

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Darth February 28, 2013 at 11:50 am

So what if it seems an Obama appointee wants to sit quietly and watch pron on the net like a few too many Clintonistas did, unless directed to make an example of most probably a Republican. I consider Tom Delay woulda been a target, but a corrupt Texican unmindful fo double jeopardy volunteered as an attack dog through how many grand juries til he found a Jasper County personal injury intellect grand jury that would return a “true bill”

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Darth February 28, 2013 at 11:50 am

So what if it seems an Obama appointee wants to sit quietly and watch pron on the net like a few too many Clintonistas did, unless directed to make an example of most probably a Republican. I consider Tom Delay woulda been a target, but a corrupt Texican unmindful fo double jeopardy volunteered as an attack dog through how many grand juries til he found a Jasper County personal injury intellect grand jury that would return a “true bill”

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bozmartin February 28, 2013 at 12:04 pm

The headline asks a damned good question. Some would say Nettles is
supposed to be the hatchet man for Holder’s Justice Department, widely
assumed to be more partisan than it should be and biased on the side of
the Obama White House, and thus hateful to this state’s pols. If so, his
is one dull hatchet. What gets prosecuted in SC is the low-hanging
fruit of petty mortgage fraud and similar offenses, plus counterfeiting,
gambling and drug conspiracies. Republicans, Democrats and independents
committed to truly cleaning up corruption should be outraged, and
should tell him to get his thumb out of his [WORD REDACTED].

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Guest February 28, 2013 at 12:06 pm

Yeah, I know, I can say “ass” on here. It vass a choke.

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bozmartin February 28, 2013 at 12:08 pm

As for whether or not it takes balls to bash the guy, maybe so, but I stand with Sic in saying FUCK ‘EM ALL!!! Nettles, Toal, Haley, Harrell, McConnell, Leatherman, Harpootlian, Sheheen – the whole sleazy, smarmy, skeevy, shitty corrupt-to-the-core lot of ’em. This is AMERICA damn it! We can say what the hell we want about our servants — especially the public ones.

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Anne Wiggins Smith February 28, 2013 at 1:41 pm

There ya go, Boz! Don’t hold back, now; catharsis is good for you.

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bozmartin February 28, 2013 at 5:59 pm

OH yeah – it damn sure is! Thanks, Anne.

shifty henry February 28, 2013 at 3:18 pm

Many thanks, Boz, for this post. Every night I enjoy working crypto-quote puzzles (usually picking one or two of yours during the week), and this one is the Ace of Spades! It will be interesting to see what you really mean in this statement. Hey, just kidding!

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bozmartin February 28, 2013 at 5:58 pm

Hah! Yeah, I was hoping my meaning was not too obscure.

bozmartin February 28, 2013 at 12:17 pm

Yeah, I know, I can say “ass” on here. It vass a choke.

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Tyrone Butternuts February 28, 2013 at 12:30 pm

I completely agree. We need a sting operation of the type that neutered the Democratic Party in 1990-91 under Operation Lost Trust.

This goes to show that corruption is not limited to one party or the other, and that one-party rule or dominion, no matter who is doing it, leads to corruption. Why? oversight is weak, there is a feeling no one will speak evil of a fellow Republican, and there is a feeling of security when you are a part of the same flock. People get lax and sloppy. They think they can get away with anything because they are the dominant party.

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Tyrone Butternuts February 28, 2013 at 12:30 pm

I completely agree. We need a sting operation of the type that neutered the Democratic Party in 1990-91 under Operation Lost Trust.

This goes to show that corruption is not limited to one party or the other, and that one-party rule or dominion, no matter who is doing it, leads to corruption. Why? oversight is weak, there is a feeling no one will speak evil of a fellow Republican, and there is a feeling of security when you are a part of the same flock. People get lax and sloppy. They think they can get away with anything because they are the dominant party.

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roseanne February 28, 2013 at 2:16 pm

Unlike bloggers, prosecutors can’t convict someone based on rumors and gossip–they have to have evidence. If you have any evidence of a crime, by all means pass it on to the US Attorney or your solicitor. Or at least post it on the web.

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Mad February 28, 2013 at 5:42 pm

That has been the damn problem the whole time. Information, evidence and plenty of it has been giving and still nothing has been done. A sheriff, at least two police chiefs, a former state senator a sitting town council man and many more have not been brought to face justice.

What else needs to done, hell the town council man in lexington confessed on tape his involvement in corruption.

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roseanne February 28, 2013 at 2:16 pm

Unlike bloggers, prosecutors can’t convict someone based on rumors and gossip–they have to have evidence. If you have any evidence of a crime, by all means pass it on to the US Attorney or your solicitor. Or at least post it on the web.

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Mad February 28, 2013 at 5:42 pm

That has been the damn problem the whole time. Information, evidence and plenty of it has been giving and still nothing has been done. A sheriff, at least two police chiefs, a former state senator a sitting town council man and many more have not been brought to face justice.

What else needs to done, hell the town council man in lexington confessed on tape his involvement in corruption.

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Peter O. February 28, 2013 at 5:56 pm

He is the one brought charges against those SC State officials, isn’t he?

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Peter O. February 28, 2013 at 5:56 pm

He is the one brought charges against those SC State officials, isn’t he?

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Jeffy01 March 1, 2013 at 8:48 am

Or maybe….he looked into all of these situations and didn’t believe federal law was broken? Certainly the only answer to every question isn’t corruption and conspiracy?

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Jeffy01 March 1, 2013 at 8:48 am

Or maybe….he looked into all of these situations and didn’t believe federal law was broken? Certainly the only answer to every question isn’t corruption and conspiracy?

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nitrat March 1, 2013 at 10:39 am

Doesn’t law enforcement investigate and prosecutors prosecute?

If federal crimes have been broken, wouldn’t the FBI be investigating prior to the US Attorney prosecuting?

I’m not trying to give Bill Nettles a break, but people who read more than The State know that his office has had a load of cases in the federal court in Florence since he’s had the office.

Oh, is that a little obfuscation, dissembling to imply that Nettles was anywhere near the US Attorney’s office during the Ravenel days? George W. Bush was president then and Reggie Lloyd US Attorney.
The most interesting part of that case was Mark Sanford appointing Reggie to SLED just before Ravenel got to court and did NOT name any of his good GOP friends at those coke parties at his Charleston home, stupifying the judge…And, just after Ravenel’s Italian co-conspirator fled the country after being interviewed by Lloyd’s office which neglected to pick up his passport.

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nitrat March 1, 2013 at 10:39 am

Doesn’t law enforcement investigate and prosecutors prosecute?

If federal crimes have been broken, wouldn’t the FBI be investigating prior to the US Attorney prosecuting?

I’m not trying to give Bill Nettles a break, but people who read more than The State know that his office has had a load of cases in the federal court in Florence since he’s had the office.

Oh, is that a little obfuscation, dissembling to imply that Nettles was anywhere near the US Attorney’s office during the Ravenel days? George W. Bush was president then and Reggie Lloyd US Attorney.
The most interesting part of that case was Mark Sanford appointing Reggie to SLED just before Ravenel got to court and did NOT name any of his good GOP friends at those coke parties at his Charleston home, stupifying the judge…And, just after Ravenel’s Italian co-conspirator fled the country after being interviewed by Lloyd’s office which neglected to pick up his passport.

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Sarge March 1, 2013 at 11:50 am

What’s Nettles’ doing? He trying to manage the trust funds set up for his two children with the money his ex-father in law made on the Charleston School of Law was saved by their ole buddy Jean Hoefer Toal. Nettle cannot open any political corruption scandals in SC in the past 10 without Toal connections. The Feds had/have Knotts on all of the IRS scandals and other $ issues, but he is so closely tied to Toal, that Nettles cannot let it proceed without exposure of the one who has funded his children for life. End of story.

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Sarge March 1, 2013 at 11:50 am

What’s Nettles’ doing? He trying to manage the trust funds set up for his two children with the money his ex-father in law made on the Charleston School of Law was saved by their ole buddy Jean Hoefer Toal. Nettle cannot open any political corruption scandals in SC in the past 10 without Toal connections. The Feds had/have Knotts on all of the IRS scandals and other $ issues, but he is so closely tied to Toal, that Nettles cannot let it proceed without exposure of the one who has funded his children for life. End of story.

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