Liberty Denied: 55.8 Million Times (And Counting)

This website doesn’t wear social conservative issues on our sleeve, however in recent years we’ve become more acutely aware of the primacy of the right to life – and the need to defend it. As far as we’re concerned, it is the essential liberty from which all the other liberties…

This website doesn’t wear social conservative issues on our sleeve, however in recent years we’ve become more acutely aware of the primacy of the right to life – and the need to defend it.

As far as we’re concerned, it is the essential liberty from which all the other liberties must necessarily flow.

We used to view the abortion issue as a case of competing rights – i.e. the right of an unborn child to draw breath versus the right of a mother to exercise control over her own body. And obviously in cases of rape or incest we cannot expect for abortion to be taken off the table – because doing so would truly deprive a woman of the freedom not to be impregnated against her will.

But what about abortions of convenience? Should we be allowed to cut life short because of our own mistakes?

More to the point: How can a nation which so passionately grieves the loss of twenty dead school children not even  bat an eye at the 3,200 abortions performed in the United States each day? And what about those gruesome “after birth” abortions?

This week marks the 40th anniversary of the U.S. Supreme Court’s landmark Roe v. Wade decision – which effectively legalized abortion-on-demand in the United States. Since this ruling, an estimated 55.8 million abortions have been performed in America – including many subsidized with tax dollars.

That’s one-sixth of the current population of the country … gone.

This website’s focus has been – and will continue to be – driving the debate on fiscal issues and holding officials at all levels of government accountable for how they spend our tax dollars. However we couldn’t let this anniversary go by without addressing the ever-expanding death toll associated with our country’s curious definition of “freedom.”


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thinkabout January 22, 2013 at 11:03 am

Leonardo Da-Vinci was an unwanted pregnancy.

Winston Churchill was an unwanted pregnancy.

Steve Jobs was an unwanted pregnancy.

How much genius and humanity have we murdered?

Original Good Old Boy January 22, 2013 at 1:12 pm

Just to play the devil’s advocate, but maybe we also aborted the next Hitler or Stalin.

moe January 22, 2013 at 2:15 pm

The same bunch, who want to take guns away from honest law abiding citizens, with the argument of innocent lives lost, want the willful murder of our most innocent, our unborn. They have no voice, no vote.
Hell will be filled with these people and it makes me hope there is such a place. God will judge them harshly. He probably saves special seats,in the middle of the flame, with the sharpest pitchforks, just for them.
These unborn, murdered souls will probably have front row seats on judgement day!

Adolf's brother; I'm the funny one January 22, 2013 at 2:21 pm

The rate of abortion per 1000 being 3 times higher for blacks than whites is a good reason to keep it around.


Jeff January 22, 2013 at 11:11 am

I appreciate you sticking your hands into the fire on this one…

SYPblogger January 22, 2013 at 11:58 am


Type O Negative January 22, 2013 at 11:14 am

Hmmmmm…..cause you now have two kids, you think that human life has become sacred? Travel to India or China….then come back and tell me how rare human life is. This is really a bad bad idea to go here.

hal January 22, 2013 at 12:02 pm

Is their Social Security solvent?

Ohmar January 22, 2013 at 11:21 am

“That’s one-sixth of the current population of the country … gone.”

Good, this place is to damn crowded as it is! Just kidding – how does a libitarian like you reconcile this thought process Fits?

? January 22, 2013 at 2:28 pm

I don’t know if Willie’s gonna answer you…but I’ll let you in on the fact that the issue of abortion is a hotly contested topic in libertarian circles with no clear answers/winners.

There’s variation around the subject with good arguments both ways.

Walter Block probably typifies the pro abortion argument as being the right of the mother via his “evictionism” argument…which personally I think is absurd…but it is what it is.

I fall on the “non-aggression principle” side of things which is a core libertarian position.

That being said…this topic dogs libertarians and is one of truely divisive topics among those circles.

Smirks January 22, 2013 at 11:35 am

Willie hates abortion but doesn’t want the price tag that comes along with banning it. WIC, food stamps, Medicaid, education costs, an overloaded adoption system… Willie would like to cut those at their current level, but banning abortion and stopping expanded access to birth control would exponentially increase spending on those programs.

55.8 million is a lot of kids that could end up in homes with teenage and/or single parent households, or put up for adoption, or be born as products of rape or incest, or be born with advanced medical problems that will affect the quality of their life and/or their ability to be self-sufficient with no guarantee of having access to any kind of physical or mental health care they may need.

Or you could just say fuck ’em and likely condemn a vast percentage of those 55.8 million to suffer, along with anyone else requiring help or anyone else who has fallen on hard times, as all those systems would be vastly overburdened at that point.

Raspy January 22, 2013 at 11:38 am

Thank You, Smirks! Excellent post!

hal January 22, 2013 at 12:01 pm

Ever heard of Steve Jobs, pal? He was “unwanted” and would have probably been aborted had it been legal…type that into your i-pad…

Smirks January 22, 2013 at 12:09 pm

Steve Jobs is one in a million. I imagine the other 999,999 “unwanted” kids in that million did just as well, right?

Oh, nope.

Smirks January 22, 2013 at 1:15 pm

And, just to be clear, Steve Jobs was adopted. Not every “unwanted” kid is lucky enough to be adopted, and even when they are, they don’t always have as caring or concerned biological parents and/or adoptive parents to ensure they are given a good lot in life:

The baby was adopted at birth by Paul Reinhold Jobs (1922–1993) and Clara Jobs (1924–1986), an Armenian American whose maiden name was Hagopian. According to Steve Jobs’s commencement address at Stanford, Schieble wanted Jobs to be adopted only by a college-graduate couple. Schieble learned that Clara Jobs didn’t graduate from college and Paul Jobs only attended high school, but signed final adoption papers after they promised her that the child would definitely be encouraged and supported to attend college.

Also, keep in mind that introducing 55.8 million children into the world would likely flood the adoption pool, which (1) does not increase the amount of incredibly gracious adoptive couples such as Jobs’, and (2) could very likely cause someone like Jobs to not get adopted because of increasingly unlikely odds of being selected.

It is a problem that at least needs to be seriously addressed, even if it isn’t fully solved.

Smirks January 22, 2013 at 1:15 pm

Sorry, the missing link:


CL January 22, 2013 at 4:16 pm

This harkens to a point made recently in the linked article about lconservatives viewing people as assets (e.g. potential doctors, mechanics, etc.) while progressives view them as liabilities (e.g. as mouths to feed).


Even setting aside this basic disagreement on whether these potential lives are assets or liabilities, I think there is a much larger moral problem with your argument. Namely, this same framing(that abortion reduces stress on our welfare programs) could just as easily be made about child victims of a mass shooting. Indeed, the statistics of how many kids in a particular classroom will end up on public assistance or commit a crime are arguably more concrete than those of unborn children. Once you go down the road of viewing abortion doctors as performing a public service, I fail to see how you can exclude Adam Lanza from the same treatment.

I always find it odd when someone tries to argue that the aborted are better off from avoiding the suffering of this world. That is certainly easy enough for those of us who survived Roe to say, and if people would rather not live than live in poverty you would expect to see some correlation between suicide and standard of living that at least would be a jumping off point for such an argument. But no one ever seems to marshal any such evidence. They just assert it as fact. The authoritarian overtones of this are troubling to me, but I better get used to it. I expect we will hear the same refrain when the government has to start rationing care to the elderly under Obamacare.

Raspy January 22, 2013 at 11:35 am

Ohmar (above) had it right, but unlike him, I am not kidding. As crowded as this country is, as overtaxed as our infrastructures for transportation, clean water, energy, disposal of waste, and education are; how can us being less numerous by 1/6 of our population be??????

People who want to have children, love them, teach them right from wrong, and support them in every way, should have them. People who don’t want, cannot afford, cannot emotionally deal with having children should not be forced to do so by a bunch of Bible-thumping blue noses. If those blue-noses, to include FitsNews, feel so strongly about this issue, then please step up and announce to the world how many of these unwanted pregnancies you wish to adopt or otherwise take into your home.

Children who are not loved, not wanted, not provided for emotionally and in terms of guidance, will more likely than not be mistreated and eventually wind up as wards of the state. That can take form in ways from foster care, to incarceration in juvie jail, juvie psychiatric facilities, or adult jail and psychiatric facilities. This hasn’t even begun to take into account numerous victims they will claim from theft, to assaults, to murder, over their lifetime.

This is not a good cause to champion, Fits.

Leave that to the brain dead and easily steered old people who show up for anti-abortion rallies.

Smirks January 22, 2013 at 12:05 pm

Great post.

Even if you assume that all 55.8 million babies would have the very same outlook on life that the average person has, can our economy handle that? Do we have jobs for all of those people? Do we have the infrastructure for all those people? Do we have a health care system that can support all those people? Not just affordable access, but the doctors, the hospital space, the means to treat them? Do we have enough classrooms? Teachers? Is there enough energy? Gasoline? Coal? How will the population glut affect other people, or society?

Even if you turn a blind eye to the statistics of how successful adopted kids, kids of single-parent families or teenaged mothers, kids with birth defects, kids who are products of rape or incest, kids growing up poor, kids growing up in dysfunctional or abusive families, etc., turn out to be, there are a bunch more questions that don’t have easy answers.

I don’t like abortion as a means of population control, that’s why birth control should be widely available, and that people should be strongly taught to use contraceptives if they are going to do it. I wish more people took the responsibility they should, but as hard as I or anyone else wishes it to happen, people will do whatever the hell they want.

The sad truth is, the actions of those who have unplanned pregnancies negatively affects society no matter how you slice it, but ending abortion and then turning a blind eye to the needs and situations of the millions of children that result does them no favors. Cutting spending that helps those children doesn’t punish the irresponsible parent, it punishes the child for being born into a situation it couldn’t help.

Are you ready to take on the costs of that choice? Or is the liberty you are granting these 55.8 million going to ultimately end up as being the freedom to starve, the freedom to suffer? Because the notion of private sector relief taking up the cause once the government assistance dries up is ridiculous, especially on a scale such as this. Even Bill Gates can’t help that many people.

The Colonel January 22, 2013 at 11:35 am

Type O – the problem here is that we already very clearly understand how pregnancy occurs. Preventing pregnancy is a straight forward, no nonsense, issue in 95% of cases.
It is as simple as
Keep your underwear in place and your pants on until you are ready to get pregnant (AKA Abstinence)
Or, barring the ability to exercise self-control consider:
Birth Control Implant (Implanon and Nexplanon)
Birth Control Patch (Ortho Evra)
Birth Control Pills
Birth Control Shot (Depo-Provera)
Birth Control Sponge (Today Sponge)
Birth Control Vaginal Ring (NuvaRing)
Cervical Cap (FemCap)
Female Condom
Sterilization for Women

It isn’t like there isn’t an abundance of options out there – many can be had at significantly reduced cost or free via (un)Planned Parenthood or your local county health department or your local student health center or your local HS nurses office…

This “abortion problem” is similar to the “AIDS crisis” in that it was – in the vast majority of cases – easily controlled. Stop the behavior that spreads the disease and you stop the problem. The really funny thing is that again in 95% of the cases it is the same solution that will work – stop having unprotected sex.

The other 5%, planned pregnancies where the life of the mother is at risk, people for whom the birth control system failed, rapes…there is always the morning after pill or the option of an abortion as a medical need rather than a convenience for the baby mama or daddy….

The Colonel January 22, 2013 at 11:38 am

Maybe we ought to force a Depo Provera shot on every subsidized abortion seeker.

Raspy January 22, 2013 at 11:44 am

Wow, that simple. Just keep your pants up. Really? I wonder how many of these abstinence advocates are so old that they don’t have an interest in sex anymore, or perhaps are married and have a mistress or two on the side.

Accidents happen. Birth control is the best option (over abortion) any day of the week, but sometimes things go wrong. While I lean conservative on a lot of issues, I am liberal on social issues. Some would call it Libertarian. The conservatives are dead set against birth control for some of the groups who are most at risk of unwanted pregnancy, like teenagers, whose hormones are raging at full throttle and who particularly are not likely to, “just say no”.

The Colonel January 22, 2013 at 12:35 pm

Yes Raspy – it is really that simple, keep your pants on – we call it abstinence.

Heck you can take them off but only one at a time. You can have oral sex, mutual masturbation, commit a little frottage, pack some fudge, give her a pearl necklace, let your imagination run wild – but act like a damn adult if you’re going to engage in adult behavior. Abstinence or non-penetrative sex has a 0 in 100 chance of resulting in pregnancy

I account for the fact that accidents happen – with implants and IUDs, the risk is 1 in 100, with the pill, patch, ring or shot, the chance is 5 in 100. With barriers, the risk is 20 in 100. (all methods have a 1 in 100 risk if used correctly every time)

The issue here is that we switched from “I got my groove on and forgot” “or didn’t bother” to an issue of “medical necessity” and in that one step cut abortion but an estimated 80%. Is it inconvenient? Sure it is – good, maybe that’ll give little “Suzy and Johnny” or “Iasha and Tyquan” a moment to cool off and if they’re experienced at making “the beast with two backs” they ought to be on a proven form of birth control already.

Girls between the ages of 15 and 19 account for about 19% of all abortions. (In many states, the age of consent is 16 or higher) (girls under 15 have abortions at a rate of about 1 per 1,000 – I wonder how many potential baby daddies go to jail?)

Women 20 to 24 account for another 33%; (About half of them have some post high school education – meaning they’re smart enough to know better)

About 25% of abortions are obtained by women who are 30 or older (Damn, call your gyno already and get on an effective form of birth control! Don’t have a gyno or can’t afford one? (un)Planned Parenthood is there for you honey!)

Smirks January 22, 2013 at 1:21 pm

Hoping that people will be more responsible is unfortunately wishful thinking, though. What would you do to address that?

The Colonel January 22, 2013 at 2:32 pm

I’d start by stopping pussy footing around the sex education issue (pun intended). Since parents have abdicated their responsibility, schools must provide factual information to kids about:
– birth control methods
– STDs
– The very real dangers of non-marital sex (see birth control, STDs and psychosexual health)

They don’t need to discuss Heather’s two mommies or how to use didlos. My kids private, conservative, religious sponsored, school in conservative Concord did a far better job with it than the Public Schools they attended here in SC.

If we agree that out of wedlock, unplanned pregnancies need to be addressed, there needs to be a stigma associated with teen pregnancy – no more mainlining them. And the “baby daddy” needs a “Scarlet A” to go along with the deal – read a child support bill that follows him for a while – like 18 years.

If we agree that abortion and out of wedlock births are an issue, professional organizations need to hammer their employees who have 14 kids by 8 wives (contractual clause that reduces their income in favor of a trust fund set aside for the aforementioned out of wedlock child)

If we agree that abortion and out of wedlock child birth are a problem, for every young lady under 16 who shows up knocked up, somebody needs to go to jail or juvie.

Will any of this stop teen/young adult sex – no, but it will have a cooling effect and force some to think before they rut – right now, there are no consequences for getting busy before you get married or get some birth control.

And before you ask, no I wasn’t a virgin when I got married, we even had a “condom break problem” once upon a time, fortunately we didn’t get pregnant.

Rim Shot January 22, 2013 at 11:43 am

Quick, whadda ya call a couple who practices the rhythm method of birth control – mommy and daddy!

I agree that the solution to this “problem” is “self control” in the form of “birth control”.

The US abortion numbers are a national disgrace.

Type O Negative January 22, 2013 at 11:45 am

Thanks for the pregnancy prevention lesson Colonel.

I don’t have a dog in this fight, but your argument is simply an opinion. And that don’t make it right (or wrong).

My comment is simply that I have traveled the world much more than you (while I don’t know you, I am sure that this is true) and I see overpopulation as the number one global issue today.

Rim Shot January 22, 2013 at 12:01 pm

Yeah Type O – you don’t know me and I’d bet my passports (I have two) are at least as stamped up as yours.

You prove my point for me – what is it that the US has and India lacks? Access to birth control and the education to use it.

China has an official one child policy and forces abortions on their population – what do they lack? Access to birth control and the education to use it. Interestingly enough, sex selection abortion has resulted in a way out of whack male to female ratio as sons are the preferred offspring. Additionally the 4-2-1 problem where on child is left to deal with supporting the previous two generations (4 grandparents and 2 parents) has caused China to rethink their policy.

Our problem is not one of education or availability it is pure, unadulterated, slovenliness and stupidity. We know that pregnancy is the result of putting “tab a” into “slot a” about 30% of the times it is done without taking precautions.

mph January 22, 2013 at 12:02 pm

Here’s another poll on American attitudes toward abortion. Here’s a hint, Colonel, the majority are not against abortion. Looks like you guys are not winning this argument either. The good news – number of abortions are dropping every year.


The Colonel January 22, 2013 at 12:55 pm

I’ve never advocated making abortion illegal – in fact I offered that is was necessary about 5% of the time that it occurs now.

What I advocate is personal responsibility. Elective abortion is evidence of the abdication of personal responsibility.

Type O Negative January 22, 2013 at 12:17 pm

Rim Shot:

1) You should get to modern China. Some of what you say is true, if not somewhat exaggerated.
2) If you only have two stamped up passports, you will lose your bet. Passports renew every 10 years. Get to where you have to order new pages. Then we’ll talk.
3) I have no dog in this fight…..but you have no idea what proof is (not an opinion).

The Colonel January 22, 2013 at 12:50 pm

Type O – I wrote the joke about rhythm method parents as Rim Shot

I have two current valid passports, in fact, I just renewed my “official” passport. My last one had two sets of extra visa pages stapled in it and I traveled from 1982 – 1998 on military orders and an ID card.

Proof – I’ve offered ample proof – more than 14 readily available methods of birth control not counting the ridiculous method of basal temp, rhythm and withdrawal.

I’ve given you factual information on the availability of birth control systems. Even though the Indian government pushes birth control extensively, including publishing cartoons for the illiterate very few use it because they have a hard time accessing it.(76% of the population of India reported difficulty obtaining birth control in 2009 according to WHO)

My only dog in this fight is the blatant stupidity of our youth and the national immorality of killing 55,000,000 infants – I had my nuts cut years ago.

james the foot soldier January 22, 2013 at 1:00 pm

On a bright note most (according to previous libtard posts) would have been po mo fo lo info libtards.


tomstickler January 22, 2013 at 12:57 pm

All this weeping for aborted potential every January 22.

Every ovum is unique and has potential: same with every sperm, but no one is sniffling for all those potential Jobs, Churchills or DaVincis doomed to death by desiccation on the cruel Kotex of life.

Just as you can’t be “a little bit” pregnant, it is intolerable to have just “a little bit” of reproductive freedom. After all, whose DNA is it, anyway?

Raspy January 22, 2013 at 3:03 pm


The Colonel January 22, 2013 at 1:03 pm

You all are missing the most important point when you ask about could 55,000,000 kids be absorbed into the economy blah blah blah. The real issue is that there was no need for those kids to have been created at all – wear a freaking condom for “the children’s sake”.

Exercise some self-control, feel free to screw all you want but exercise some controls:
If you’re monogamous and pregnancy is your only concern – get on an effective birth control. (Shots, Pills IUDs and Implants are nearly perfect in preventing pregnancy)
If you must be promiscuous then pregnancy and STDs are a concern (rates are climbing) – use a barrier method correctly.

None of this is rocket science.

Lynn January 22, 2013 at 2:06 pm

Many forms of contraception are expensive $50 a month or $1000s for implant or IUD plus the cost of the doctor’s appointment or not convenient or easily accessible to folks particularly young women who might reside in rural areas. You don’t get to order it over the internet like ED drugs in their new rapid formulations nor have it paid for by health insurance! For most women, married or single, the most effective and efficient, methods aren’t covered by their health insurance. There is excellent research that shows when low income women are given a choice they choose long term contraception and unintended pregnancies and abortions plummet. But long term contraception is the most expensive available. (Note remember women still earn 75% of what men earn.)

You want to reduce unintended pregnancies then women’s health care needs to be affordable and accessible and nonjudgmental.

For those of you not old enough to remember before Roe v. Wade women died from illegal abortions or lost their ability to have children. Desperate people often do desperate things but I stop and remember the women who are alive today because they had access to safe legal medical procedures when they desperately needed them. It’s a decision between a woman, her God, and her doctor. If men got pregnant this wouldn’t be an issue!

The Colonel January 22, 2013 at 3:06 pm

Bull, there is no way in hell you can make a logical economics argument for abortion.

Depo is very nearly 100% effective can be had for $35 a shot – you need 5 a year for a net cost of $175. Include the office visit and you’re at $300.

Implanon is $400 but it lasts 3 years for a net cost of about $150 a year including the office visit.

Condoms are FREE in just about any women’s health clinic in town.

But let’s look at it your way, the average woman who has an abortion will spend about $648 for the procedure – not including the office visit to confirm the pregnancy and set the abortion up.

According to the CDC 33% of women who have abortions will have multiple abortions.

About a 1,600,000 women seeking abortions since Roe V. Wade had complications that resulted in hospitalization.

The abortion rate of women with Medicaid coverage is three times as high as that of other women – birth control is a covered service of Medicaid.

Urban women are twice as likely to seek an abortion and rural women according to the NAF.

Prolife January 22, 2013 at 1:11 pm

I’m normally pro-life but in Folks’ case I would have made an exception.

Hairy Backman January 22, 2013 at 1:15 pm

A fetus isn’t a baby. And for every genius-to-be that was aborted, 100 future deadbeats, criminals and gangstas get washed down the sink. Read Freakonomics – the drop in the crime rate is directly related to abortions.

Bottom line – the Government has no legitimate interest in regulating access to abortion during the first 12 weeks of a pregnancy. Roe vs. Wade was rightly decided.

Get over it, Republicans – abortion lost you at least two seats in the Senate, and quite possibly the general election.

Stay away from this issue – it is a no win prospect.

Raspy January 22, 2013 at 3:07 pm

Hear, Hear!!!!!

hal January 22, 2013 at 1:22 pm

What will all you pro-abortionistas do when “society” decides to “euthenize” you at 70 when you are just about to “collect” your medicare and social security “benefits.”

After all, I’m sure you will be euthenized “for the children…”

Smirks January 22, 2013 at 1:59 pm

lol… Who is advocating pushing the age to collect Social Security and Medicare out to 70 again? Who wants to cut benefits or drastically change those programs? Could it be? The same people who want to ban abortion (and then not pay for the consequences of banning it)?

? January 22, 2013 at 2:09 pm

Why euthanize them when you can eat them, a la Soylent Green?

hal January 22, 2013 at 1:28 pm

Does anyone remember that Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood, was a vicious racist, who lauded abortion as a way to kill babies of colour, and other undesirables…are you pro-aborts all a bunch of racists since abortion disproprionately kills children of colour?

Smirks January 22, 2013 at 1:55 pm

Guns kill a disproportional amount of colored people, and I’m sure plenty of racists joke about and may even actually advocating using them against minorities. I guess that makes anyone advocating gun rights racist too, amirite?

largo January 22, 2013 at 2:11 pm

Smirks–The Constitution affords the right to bear arms. The right to abortion is not in the Constitution. Abortion is an ancient practice, and even Hippocrates forbid it as an immoral procedure. In fact, the Hippocratic Oath forbids practioners from prescribing “an abortive remedy.” Even the anciet Greeks viewed abortion as EVIL. Why don’t you?

lucy January 22, 2013 at 2:12 pm

Choose life, your mom did.

lance January 22, 2013 at 2:14 pm

As for as minorities and gun rights go, as the Jews if they regret giving their guns to Hitler…

The Colonel January 22, 2013 at 2:16 pm

Your argument would only hold water if the guns had a race or a racial bias.

Since Blacks kill blacks by and large (93%) it doesn’t hold up.

In the case of Ms. Sanger – was a white, virulent racist who openly practiced and espoused eugenics.

Sam Colt, Bill Ruger, Messrs. Smith and Wesson on the other hand couldn’t have cared less who you killed as long as you did it with their guns.

Generally you argue people kill people, not guns so you, like Will are twisting your traditional logic to answer this question in your own diverse ways.

An Anti-Abortion Libertarian?!?

? January 22, 2013 at 2:30 pm

Colonel, just an “fyi” there are a number of anti-abortion libertarians…they base their justification on the “non-aggression principle”.(see my comments above)

CUvinny January 22, 2013 at 4:31 pm

“The right to abortion is not in the Constitution”

According to the Supreme Court, you know the people who interpret it, abortion is actually.

Smirks January 22, 2013 at 4:46 pm

The Constitution affords the right to bear arms. The right to abortion is not in the Constitution.

I didn’t say anything about constitutional rights, now did I? If we’re talking about something that disproportionately kills minorities needing to be banned, guns are worse than abortion on that front.

I’m not suggesting actually stripping gun rights away, I’m just pointing out how absurd the “racist” abortion argument is. Minorities seek out abortion more often than not because of circumstances and the problems that plague those cultures and communities, especially concerning single parenthood and poverty rates.

Your argument would only hold water if the guns had a race or a racial bias.

Well, abortion doesn’t have a racial bias either. Abortion is abortion, and gun violence is gun violence. The reason why minorities are disproportionally affected by both is due to a myriad of reasons that would end up being an extremely lengthy discussion.

I honestly don’t give a shit what Sanger believed in. Abortion clinics don’t turn away people for being white, black, rich, poor, whatever, now do they? Planned Parenthood may offer assistance to poorer folks but it does the same with birth control and mammograms and other programs it has. Does handing out free condoms at the clinic disproportionately stop poor and/or minority pregnancies too? Oh no! Eugenics!

Calling abortion “racist” is a piss poor argument to make.

kc January 22, 2013 at 2:05 pm

55.8 million, that’s a lotta private school vouchers.

lucy January 22, 2013 at 2:14 pm

Life is good.

James the Foot Soldier January 23, 2013 at 9:58 am


Type O Negative January 22, 2013 at 3:11 pm

One cannot prove an opinion. It makes one look foolish to try. I’ve read your arguments and…find them tangential and foolish. I will neither try to argue for or against abortion.
As for travel boasts, you will need to best 42 countries, all 50 states, and all Canadian provinces and territories except Nunavut (look it up). If you can beat that, then hats off to you.

The Colonel January 22, 2013 at 3:46 pm

Countries I can beat, states not so much.

I can never seem to find time visit Maine except for stop overs in the Bangor airport on my way to Europe or the Middle East. Alaska has always been out of reach as well one travels to Alaska not through Alaska (to damn cold, to many bugs depending on the season).

I have a degree in Marine Science, I know where Nunavut is and I’ve been on Baffin Island (speaking of cold, buggy places) – did you know Nunavut has only been a “state” for about 13 years – I was there during the “state hood” ceremonies in ’99 at least I think that’s what they were celebrating, it was all in Inuit and I struggle with standard English…

Type O Negative January 22, 2013 at 8:39 pm

Glad someone besides me knows where Nunavut is. Would like to see Baffin Island (I’m a retired mountaineer). Suggest Churchill in early November to see the polar bears — no bugs then.

Simple Answer January 22, 2013 at 4:36 pm

What if your mother exercised her right to abort during her pregnancy with you?

kc January 22, 2013 at 4:58 pm

What if your dad had used a condom?

Smirks January 22, 2013 at 5:33 pm

To be quite honest, my family was poor growing up, and even though my parents didn’t obtain welfare with me or my siblings, they were sufficiently poor to the point of questioning if they should have had kids at all. My siblings and I were a pretty heavy financial burden on them, which was pretty bad considering they weren’t too good with money to begin with and had put themselves in a massive amount of debt.

That being said, they were good parents when it came to raising us, were there at home, were involved, and despite their faults, did a decent job of raising us. That’s a hell of a lot more than some kids get.

I’m grateful for my existence, but quite honestly, my parents did not owe me my life. If they had chosen not to conceive, or had chosen to get an abortion, I really couldn’t blame them. I’m not sure if my absence would have made their lives significantly better, but raising a kid is an incredible burden, and it scares me to death to think of having a kid I couldn’t provide even three meals a day for, and I WAS that kid.

I’m grateful for being born, but I never asked to be. It was a decision my parents had to make, and who am I to demand decisions from them?

Besides that, if my mom decided to exercise her right to not bump uglies 9 months before I was born, I wouldn’t be here either.

Simple Answer January 24, 2013 at 11:52 am

Preventing conception is not the same as ending a life. The latter displays the idea that one life holds higher value than another. Please keep in mind that none of us asked to be here, so why would my tangible existence be more valuable than one that is seemingly intangible? There are many responsibilities that come our way that are burdensome. Some are within our control, some are not. But, we still have a moral obligation and responsibility regardless. For example, I decide to have a child. The child is born with down’s syndrome or another mental or physical handicap. Burdensome? Absolutely. Outside of my control? Absolutely. My responsibility to consider this life as valuable as my own? Absolutely. My point is that we can’t dodge responsibility based on convenience. This is one reason our society is as disastrous as it is. I’m afraid that the convenience of abortion seems more to me like a solution that Hitler would have endorsed.

Old Bike Dude January 22, 2013 at 7:36 pm

What! No discssion on when life begins? Fucking anti abortionist evangelical boot lickers.

tryingtomakeitrealcomparedtowhat? January 23, 2013 at 12:16 am

Quit calling yourself a fucking libertarian! What a goddamn joke.
Put the pregnant woman in jail,and make her have the baby! Then, starve both of ’em to death ,you fucking punk-ass,no account bitch!

That’s a ‘conservative’ ,’republican’ abortion,shitass.

Kevin Bryant January 23, 2013 at 12:18 am

not a social or fiscal issue. it’s a liberty issue. How can Government deny the right to life’s first breath?

tryingtomakeitrealcomparedtowhat? January 23, 2013 at 1:51 am

ask the mother,you fucking asshole

James the Foot Soldier January 23, 2013 at 10:02 am

I’m all for the mother taking her OWN life after the baby is born so there will be one less po mo fo lo info libtard emitting planet killing CO2.

Crooner January 23, 2013 at 1:17 pm

People, people:

Abortion has been around forever. Even since before the invention of coat hangers and knitting needles. The only question is whether or not it is going to be safe and legal.

No birth control method is 100% effective. Abstinence is not a realistic alternative. God just didn’t make us that way. And remember, we are ALL sinners (but there’s Good News on that).

This is a women issue. If you don’t like abortion don’t have one.


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