“BUSINESS” ADVOCATE IN HOT WATER OVER “AGGRESSIVE” ADVOCACY …
|| By FITSNEWS || This website has precisely zero use for the so-called S.C. Business and Industry Political Education Committee (SC BIPEC). How come? Well, six years ago we busted them shamelessly kowtowing to liberal leaders in the S.C. General Assembly. Which is obviously a far cry from “promoting and protecting the free, private and competitive enterprise system through research and education” – which is what the group claims to be doing.
Anyway, SC BIPEC and its leader – consummate insider Tom DeLoach – were back in action this week, subserviently carrying the water on behalf of a so-called “free market” liquor bill (a piece of legislation this website has repeatedly exposed as nothing but a shameless special interest sop).
Obviously insiders shilling for powerful interests is nothing new, but DeLoach is said to have taken his “advocacy” to the extreme this week, with one lawmaker telling FITS he made threats against him – and a female colleague – over the liquor legislation.
“He said he would issue a bad report card on us by cherry picking certain votes and saying those voters were representative of a member’s record,” the lawmaker told FITS. “Then he said he would tell member companies of his association to withhold donations from us – and (hinted) they would even fund our political opponents.”
“Tom made it clear to me that there was a price to pay for not doing what he asked,” another lawmaker told us.
How about that?
And all this fluff and bluster on behalf of these guys? Sheesh …
According to our sources, one of the lawmakers reported DeLoach’s threatening comments to the chairman of the subcommittee considering the liquor legislation – and to S.C. House judiciary committee chairman Greg Delleney.
Before long, news of DeLoach’s antics had spread like wildfire on the House floor – with several SC BIPEC donors receiving angry calls from lawmakers.
“It got heated,” one lawmaker told FITS. “One BIPEC member told me he would be speaking to Tom. He was angry that Tom had done that.”
As we’ve said repeatedly, we don’t favor liquor regulation of any sort, but we refuse to sit back and watch existing state laws be ignored in such a manner as to artificially raise prices on consumers. And we oppose any effort to “reform” those laws in ways that will only jack those prices even higher.
Clearly supporters of the legislation have become increasingly frustrated by their inability to move this bill forward – which is why they are now resorting to intimidation tactics.
Those efforts didn’t work, by the way, as lawmakers were insufficiently intimidated by DeLoach and dealt the bill he was aggressively advancing yet another defeat.
Cockroach fucking Cockroach – no harm, no foul
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Or what, Sheesh. Jean Toal/Bobby Harrell wannabe.
Libertarians, would do themselves a service as coming across as fiscal conservative, which they are. I am surprised how many people, in the know, actually think L(l)ibertarians are in agreement on fiscal issues with Democrats. Social? Absolutely. Fiscal? Absolutely not.
Those of us who consider ourselves to be small “l” libertarian would more likely say “Social? Usually. Fiscal? Almost always”.
You see, the U.S. Constitution does provide for a certain amount of watchfulness from a government like courts and military, which are never cheap if one requires fairness and justice.
I am hopeful to hear from some other small “l” libertarians, but I think we all have different flavors of capitalism and that is what I am trying to understand.
I don’t share the social markets view. I am more of a laissez-faire capitalist.
How do social markets make friends with libertarians? Below is their platform, which advocates for smaller government, the ability to keep the fruits of their labors, free market banking with unrestricted competition. I question if anyone really knows what that platform means?
Those fighting the rich cats, are siding with the enemy. True free markets, end up a monopoly that suffocate the small business. History proves it. History also proves, given the opportunity, we might still have monopoly on oil and steel worldwide.
Some want to argue that isn’t fair. What is fair? What kind of system are we fighting for? Or are we wheels in the wind with no direction, just guessing where we might land and the gravity of that landing?
Anyone who can articulate the type of market they think fit, and why. I am very interested in hearing the details. Or are we sheep being herded under a new brand?
I don’t consider this free markets. I consider the following “state markets” :
“As we’ve said repeatedly, we don’t favor liquor regulation of any sort, but we refuse to sit back and watch existing state laws be ignored in such a manner as to artificially raise prices on consumers.”
In a true free market system, why are we concerned about competing with other states? Competition within the US will drive costs down.
Flood the market with liquor, but before you do, be sure to invest. Get as many licenses as you can.
Point of order:
A free market wouldn’t require a license.
What kind of free markets do you wish to talk about Trouble? It is the market socialist? Anarchists? Cooperative? Or a laissez-faire capitalist system?
That is the problem we have with defining free markets. What are free markets to you?
lol…”free markets” mean just what the words mean.
Free of interference, by anyone or anything.
I thought the same true, but there is a difference. Completely free markets would support TPE and TPP. It would also support monopolies.
Huge differences pointed out on another thread. I will post so you can tell me which you agree with.
No need to post, it is on the main thread we are discussing. What kind of free market do you support?
It is the market socialist? Anarchists? Cooperative? Or a laissez-faire capitalist system? Or other?
DENNIS: I told you. We’re an anarcho-syndicalist commune. We take it in turns to act as a sort of executive officer for the week.
DENNIS: But all the decision of that officer have to be ratified
at a special biweekly meeting.
ARTHUR: Yes, I see.
DENNIS: By a simple majority in the case of purely internal affairs,–
ARTHUR: Be quiet!
DENNIS: –but by a two-thirds majority in the case of more–
ARTHUR: Be quiet! I order you to be quiet!
WOMAN: Order, eh — who does he think he is?
ARTHUR: I am your king!
WOMAN: Well, I didn’t vote for you.
ARTHUR: You don’t vote for kings.
WOMAN: Well, ‘ow did you become king then?
ARTHUR: The Lady of the Lake,
her arm clad in the purest shimmering samite, held aloft Excalibur from the bosom of the water signifying by Divine Providence that I, Arthur, was to carry Excalibur.
That is why I am your king!
DENNIS: Listen — strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.
ARTHUR: Be quiet!
DENNIS: Well you can’t expect to wield supreme executive power just ’cause some watery tart threw a sword at you!
ARTHUR: Shut up!
Dennis the Peasant: I mean, if I went around saying I was an emperor just because some moistened bint had lobbed a scimitar at me, they’d put me away!
TPE & TPP?
What is that?
” It would also support monopolies.”
If a company provides the best product for the best price, & develops a voluntary monopoly as a result, who cares?
The only way it can hold on to said monopoly is by continuing to provide the best product for the best price in the absence of government coercion.
In a truly free market, the consumer picks winners & losers…all without force, meaning voluntarily.
TPA (Trade Promotion Authority) & TPP (Trans-Pacific Partnership).
Many articles on the case and I am not biased on which to read, but here is a random one that explains in layman terms: http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/12/politics/free-trade-fast-track-vote/
I differ with you on monopolies, only because I studied them and how dirty they were. It is an equivalent of drug cartel.
What I really want to know is what does this site claim as free trade? I think we each have a different definition of a very broadly used term. I’d like a real definition instead of mincing words.
” I’d like a real definition instead of mincing words.”
All you have to do is read the dictionary and use the words there.
As for the “site’s opinion”, it varies and is not consistent.
“I differ with you on monopolies, only because I studied them and how dirty they were. ”
Then you should study some more and ask yourself how monopolies get enforced on a voluntary or involuntary basis.
“TPA (Trade Promotion Authority) & TPP (Trans-Pacific Partnership).”
Neither of those qualify as “free trade” as defined by the dictionary.
so you admit it is not a completely free market that you propose. You just don’t know what flavor of free market you are supporting.
I have a dictionary and encyclopedia. I also have multiple books on economics.
What I don’t have is a single person’s definition of free-trade. I seriously doubt most even know what it is or how it affects them.
My proposal is to figure out what exactly you are supporting and why. How will it impact you and your family? You children? Grandchildren? Future of America.
You won’t find that in a dictionary Trouble.
“You won’t find that in a dictionary Trouble.”
I won’t find the definition of “free trade” in the dictionary?
What if I look up the word “free”, then “trade”?
“so you admit it is not a completely free market that you propose.”
I’m sorry, I must end the discussion because I’m unable to communicate with you in a way that you can understand.
Please accept my apologies. Best of luck.
Monopolies that are not regulated, in today’s terms illegal, allow price fixing and discrimination, exclusive dealings, boycotts and tying contract.
Price Fixing: competitors agree to buy or sell products or services at a fixed price or rate
Price Discrimination: selling similar goods to buyers at different prices
Exclusive Dealings: requiring a buyer or seller to do buy or sell all or most of a certain product from a single supplier
Group Boycotts: competitors agree to boycott a certain entity
Tying Contract: selling a product or service on the condition that the buyer agrees to also buy a different product or service
Prior to the Sherman Act of 1890, Standard Oil exploited the unregulated, “free market” economy.
Sometimes interference is a good thing.
We don’t have free markets, it’s true. But from the smell of horse manure on their clothes, one might assume that the Legislature is a farmer’s market.
News flash! Water is wet! Fire is hot! Now what else is new?
As given to me, the story goes that around 1915 in the heat of a debate Congressman Johnson of Indiana called an Illinois representative a jackass. The expression was unparliamentary,
and in retraction Johnson said: “While I withdraw the unfortunate
word, Mr. Speaker, I must insist that the gentleman from Illinois
is out of order.”
“How am I out of order?” yelled the man from Illinois.
“Probably a veterinary surgeon could tell you,” answered Johnson, and that was parliamentary enough to stay on the record.
FITS – and Sanford – accusing someone else of intimidation….Not that’s rich…LMAO…
What the fuck is up with Fits going after Hardwick,his wife and 3 children today? How many articles are needed to just say ‘someone quit’…and Fits doesn’t even have the guts to post the names of the accusers? Frankly I don’t believe it.
Boz operates the same way as Fits…goes after families and the children…
Boz says he never goes after or involves ‘public servants/politicians’ families or involves them….read this about Wayne Gray’s wife….
Buz Martin • 4 years ago
/// By south mauldin May 9, 2011 at 4:22 pm
Horry County deserves a tool like Viers. That shithole has been producing them en masse for years. Boz excluded, of course. And Wayne Gray.
So Boz, what do you think of Mr. Viers? ///
You are obviously trying to get me to talk about the infamous BLOW JOB that Wayne Gray got in the parking lot of Fuddruckers from a city employee a few years back, or you would not be mentioning him favorably in the same paragraph as me, in a comment directed my way.
He’s not a major target of my ire *** at this time *** so I’ll make it short. I did note when I spoke to city council recently that he seems to have shed any remaining vestages of his former alpha dog pose, and looks more like a dweebish bow-tie-Repub eunuch now. So his wife musta done a little snip-snip on the nards, or maybe done the “Bobbit” number on him like all her friends told her she should have done long ago. (speaking of making it short. Heh!)
If so, good for her! TOWANDA!!!
I just can’t stop stalking Buz, I have all his posts saved on my hard drive. Sometimes I like to print them out and rub them all over my body. One time I followed him into a restaurant and after he left I ran up and licked the silverware he used. Oh man that just gets me randy!
Next time why don’t you lick the seat where he sat – if licking the silverware got you randy licking the seat should cause you to rip your dick off
lol…bend over dumbass and let millionaire Tom Ervin fuck you out of another campaign donation!
This is what is known as “hard ball”….it’s been around since the ancient Greeks.
“Hard ball” is Greek? I thought it was about baseball. Must have something to do with the nude Greco-Roman wresting. I can imagine it would be an advantage. ;-)
Lol. I was referring to political maneuvering but you’re the one incorporating nude wrestling. I’d just like the record to reflect that.
However, we can’t prove that Mike Fair and Larry Grooms don’t oil up, strip down and have a good old wrestle every now and then can we?
now, cut that out!
??????? ??????? (sorry, I only know koine)..
(hard) . . . (ball)
I needed those chuckles today …..
Sounds like the way Haley, Peeler, Leatherman, Harrell, White and others operate. Maybe he learned the tactic from them, when used on him.
Same old, same old in the State House of Ill Repute!
“Tom made it clear to me that there was a price to pay for not doing what he asked”
Any legislator who is scared by this statement values being a legislator over being a leader…and that is the crux of what is wrong with the legislature.
Can they prove it? Nawwwwww. Meanwhile, the entire General Assembly is a cesspool of corruption and illegal activities. So what else is new?
He said he would issue a bad report card on us by cherry picking certain votes and saying those voters were representative of a member’s record,” the lawmaker told FITS. “Then he said he would tell member companies of his association to withhold donations from us – and (hinted) they would even fund our political opponents.”
He was going to inform donors and voters the way you voted on certain bills?
And then act like these votes were “representative” of the way you voted?
its more complicated than that. “Free Market” is defined in 2 potentially conflicting ways. It can either mean deregulation, or supporting small business. Republicans historically (not really anymore though) have supported small business, and thats often how voters see it, because it create a market place where small businesses can compete with big businesses on a level playing field. that competition is what generates a “free market” because there is no market without competition. This is what the voters expect out of free market practices. competition drives down prices so voters like it
HOWEVER it also can be translated to deregulation, which is the government getting out of the way of competitors which always gives the upper hand to big business so you no longer have a level playing field. the lack of competition drives up prices which voters dont want, however if you vote against deregulation and a level playing field for market competitors you are still against the free market.
THEREFOR when DeRoach could point to the liquor bill votes and YAY or NAY could say they voted against the free market. looks like the political double speak is finally starting to catch up with lawmakers, however its only the lobbyest who will benefit from it because they are the most well versed in it and know how to use it to their advantag3e
You really should try harder to get your facts straight. Then again, perhaps you are trying as hard as you can.
Has the end begun for FITS…Word is: “It is Done.”
Man, GT, you are getting boring.
So you’re denying it…????
Well, if anyone would know about hiding behind fictitious usernames/profiles, it would be you.
You’re denying what is happening to you too???…Can I put ‘mammatiger’ on the record as a FITS prosecution denier….or are you agreeing that it’s coming?
Simple Deny or Admit…will suffice????
Where did I deny anything? Just pointing out the hypocrisy of you calling someone out for using other usernames.
Care to address that?
As a devout FITS @$$-Kisser, and disciple…you look like as big a [email protected]$$ as he does…IDIOT…LMAO…
A simple deny or admit will suffice.
I love to see your stupid liberal @$$ sweat…
If FITS goes dark , where will you idiot liberals go to get your @$$#$ kissed…You have to PAY for The State…and it may not last much longer than FITS, if the bankruptcy court has to come-a-callin’…Hahahaha…
SUCKS to be YOU….and all about the time Hillary is CRASHING and BURNING…LMAO….WOW!!!
Sweating about what, exactly?
Again, a simple deny or admit will suffice.
Always running from who, and what, you are – when it comes home to roost…..aren’t you??? ….LMAO…
Nevermind…Hahahaha…I just hope this teaches your Stupid @$$ a lesson (probably won’t)….
Whatever you say, Emily.
I’ve NEVER posted here using that name…you F*#king liar…
Can you show where I have….and if you cannot will you admit you – like your Grand Wizard FITS – are a F*#king liar…like All liberals…???
Can’t WAIT to see you try to WEASEL out of this F*#king LIE that you’ve caught your dumb @$$ in …LMAO…
BigT (another name he used here) saves Emily to do his HoPo and State Newspaper stalking. Believe me, if he had to sign in using Facebook instead of Disqus, he would use Emily…
Where will YOU go if Fits goes black? Job Search?
mammatiger92 is a real name?
It is here. Never used any other username. Never stolen someone’s personal info and created a FB page with it either.
mammatiger92 is your real name?I thought it was just a ‘ficticious username’.
Sure. However you want to spin it to make you feel better about WK’ing for a troll like GT, be my guest.
I see The GrandPoobah I mean The GrandTango has been on the phone with the phone with Dionne Warwick and her Psychic Friends Network again.
Did you Google what I told you to…and are you denying it????
Yawn! Regurgitation of the article FITS wrote this weekend with a few comments that were posted add in. Re-worked for style, nothing original that hasn’t already come out.
From the tone of the posting the author has some bone to pick with Will and his site, he sounds like a typical member of the GCJ Squad of the Republican Party. People use bad words in the comments and no one stops them waaaaaaa, woe is me. The pay to play rumors have been going around for years but no one has ever substantiated them so again grudge by some one.
Ever heard the saying ‘Whistling Past the Graveyard’?….LMAO…
I guess he can always come to you for advice in how to shut down a blog.
Huh????…did you say something idiot????…Get FITS’ D!*k out of your mouth, so I can hear you…there will plenty of time for that…when you’re in prison together…You F*#king DOLT!!!….LMAO…FITS listened to you, and now he’s going DOWN….!!!!…GENIUS….Hahahaha…
That site looks like a GrandTango version of the Drudge Report.
Did you start a new site to fail at?
Really??…if it’s so incorrect, why not sue the writer for LIBEL?????…Dumb!$$…LMAO…
So he threatened to . . . practice POLITICS?
Surprised he has time to play hardball given his penchant for spending time thinking he is such a ladies man. Nothing like watching an old fart decay. Tick, tick, tick says father time.