CANADA ISN’T GOING TO WAIT ON KEYSTONE XL …
By FITSNEWS || Take that, Barack Obama. Or rather … “congratulations.”
After years of blocking the Keystone XL pipeline, the Obama administration appears to have finally “won” on this issue. The $7 billion, 1,600-mile pipeline – which was projected to create more than 300,000 new U.S. jobs – appears to be dead.
How come? Transcanada – the company that’s been trying for years to get this pipeline built – has figured out another way to get its oil (168 billion proven barrels, at last check) where it needs to go.
It’s called Energy East, a proposed $10.7 billion, 2,858-mile pipeline that would carry 1.1 million barrels of crude oil every day from Alberta and Saskatchewan to refineries in eastern Canada. So instead of Louisiana and Texas providing supertanker access to Canadian crude – our neighbors to the north will “keep it in the family,” setting up tanker access at Saint John, New Brunswick.
Keystone? Canada doesn’t need it …
According to Bloomberg, the impetus for the Energy East project was a surprise telephone call from Obama to Canadian prime minister Stephen Harper on November 10, 2011 – in which Harper was informed the Keystone XL project was “on hold.”
That’s when Canada decided it was going to have other options at its disposal in the event the Obama administration continued to stonewall – which is exactly what it’s done.
Bloomberg refers to Energy East as “Keystone on steroids, more than twice as long and carrying a third more crude.” If approved on schedule (sometime in early 2016), the pipeline could be operational by 2018.
Keystone has been a major issue in the congressional elections in the United States, with “Republicans” blasting Democrats for falling in line behind Obama and the radical environmental lobby in opposing it.
Expect the issue to ratchet up considerably as a result of Canada’s decision to bypass America altogether …
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And thousands upon thousands of people breathe a sigh of relief, no longer having to worry about a pipeline leak ruining their drinking water.
You can whine about the jobs lost if you want but this was purely for the benefit of the oil industry. The refined product will be sold overseas and we would have assumed the risk of an inevitable leak for the sake of corporate profits. Fuck that. Let Canada clean their own shit up when their XXL pipeline leaks.
You’re ignorant. Go away.
“A recent Wall Street Journal review found that there were 1,400 pipeline spills and accidents in the U.S. 2010-2013. According to the Journal review, four in every five pipeline accidents are discovered by local residents, not the companies that own the pipelines.[25]”
B-b-bbut…
So.
Oh, dear…rattled the cage.
Fool. I can rip you to shreds, chew you up, and spit you out like the nothing that you are ……
Vehicle emissions kill 53000 people a year in America alone
Get a clue! ROFLMO!
Now he’s having a shit fling. Watch out and keep back!
Air pollution kills 200,000 people a year.
BTW …. serious cognitive therapy can help you discover what caused your compulsive disorders and other addictions. I suggest you check yourself into the Institute of Psychiatric at the Medical University of South Carolina.
You sound soooooooooooo immature.
So you are saying, now that we have eliminated the threat to drinking water from the pipeline we need to turn to solving the air pollution problem. I think you have a good point.
ROFLMO indeed, tough guy.
“B-b-bbut…>
They just parrot back what they hear on Fox “News” . . .
You just parrot back what you hear from Satan.
“You just parrot back what you hear from Satan”
Yowza! The devil made me do it!!
And sure is hot in here too! LOL
Stop trying to molest parrots, you pervert or I will splash you with 10w 40!!
How many of those leaks resulted in contaminated drinking water?
“Jul 10, 2014 – … Dakota pipeline has hemorrhaged about 1 million gallons of oil-drilling saltwater into … suspected to have leaked into a lake that provides drinking water . … The cleanup is expected to last for weeks, according to Miranda …
Apr 12, 2014 – Oil leak and tap water outage shows China pipeline dangers … pipeline belonging to China’s other major oil firm, Sinopec, leaked into storm sewers and exploded. … Last year, the environment ministry halted approval of new …”
Fuck a pipeline.
… FARC you bicycle, too.
Yeah because those Chinese are known for their well made products.
You do realize that oil pipelines are double walled pipelines and water pipelines are not. Also many new pipelines are required to have containment provisions in place just like above ground storage tanks.
Of course he doesn’t realize that….the agenda’s are flying back and forth on a partisan basis. Everyone is talking out of their ass.
Welcome to Fitsnews!!
From U.S. and German patents:
“Leak detection device for double-wall pipeline systems and container systems
US 20020044060 A1
[0006] Both known leak detection devices require a relatively large number of connecting lines so that the assembly expenditure is very high. Moreover, in these leak detection devices many connectors are provided which must all be sealed; however, there is still always the risk that leaks will occur. The leak detection device according to German patent 296 37 868 C1 has moreover the disadvantage that many liquid locks are required.”
“A cost-benefit analysis is conducted on the double-hull requirements for oil tan … ‘double hulls would not have completely protected the “Exxon Valdez” from spilling”
Do ya think they would spend all that money? If so, still no guarentee it would be 100% safe.
I bet your grandpappy Eb Walton also said, “That railroad is just too gol-darn expensive and will ruin the environment, now if you excuse me I’m late for a threesome with the Baldwin sisters”.
Good one! Maybe so, but the well water was mighty fine.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pipeline_accidents_in_the_United_States_in_the_21st_century
That link didn’t answer my question.
My money says the number of leaks that have actually contaminated the drinking water supply of people that didn’t agree to having a pipeline run through their property is probably infinitesimal.(and for that matter, even those people that did agree that ended up with undrinkable water)
ISIS feels the same way you do.
“ISIS feels the same way you do.”
ISIS is worried about our drinking water?
Panetta was right.Obama is a traitor.
All this time I figured the terrorists would rather blow up our oil lines, not protect our environment.
The drop in pressure would trigger automatic shut down of the pumps and close check valves designed to limit the dive of a leak.
“No longer having to worry about a pipeline leak ruining their drinking water.”
Or about getting out of bed to go to that well paid job. Oh well.
I do not claim to fully understand everything on oil refining and logistics. However:
1-Why is it a bad idea to build the refinery right by the Canadian Tar Sands and then have a railroad line at the refinery site connecting to other railroad lines?
2-Is oil not shipped by rail presently?
“2-Is oil not shipped by rail presently?”
One of the great business moves several years ago when Buffett bought BNSF, and there’s some tin foil hat type stuff saying that the Black Jesus killing the XL deal was payback for Buffett as his railroad does most the oil moving.
However, it’s important to realize that pipeline is a far cheaper method to move oil compared to trains. In fact, that’s how Rockefeller hammered and then eventually bankrupted his train vendors when they wouldn’t lower their transport costs.
Pipelines are far safer too.
For whom?
Everyone, Yankees, tank trucks and trains are far less safe and far les efficient manners of shipping hazardous materials. The XL pipeline would be buried got most of its run making it very difficult to attack and damn near leak proof.
So how is it safer for me here in SC if the oil goes through the XL Pipeline vs. being carried by a train?
Explain the irony that 50 people living in Lac-Megantic were burned alive by extremely flammable light crude transported from the Bakken oil fields in North Dakota.
When the train crashed in the city in the middle of the night, the Dakota oil flowed through the town like a raging river of fire. People outside had no time to warn people inside bars and restaurants and were forced to run and leave their family and friends behind.
The train that crashed was going to the refinery in New-Brunswick where this new East pipeline will end.
PS. had that train been carrying Alberta oil there would have been no fire.
They’ll need the job to buy bottled water after the underground water supply is poisoned, I suppose.
Of course expect bottled water to skyrocket in those areas when that happens. Yay, free market!
Boy smirks, you’ve bought the whole environazi program on this one, when did you fall of the deep end. In the last ten years crude oil pipelines in the U.S. haven’t leaked enough to fill a tanker. There is a disincentive for the owner/operator to allow them to leak do they generally don’t.
Do you not believe in improved processes and technological advancement?
We the people with a fair and balanced Fourth Estate, can expose and punish corporations…not so much The State.
Shit, just go ask BP…
Or any major corporation. Once they become large enough the profit motive is strong enough to drive it beyond caring for human rights, the environment, the well-being of their employees, etc.
People just want cheap shit. Coated in lead? Cobbled together by a 12-year-old in a sweatshop? Pollutes a river and the air? Puts their neighbor out of their manufacturing job? Who gives a shit, they saved ten cents!
Exactly … what the Freeman Follower means.
BTW: did you know that there were more g’ment employees involved in cleaning dirty birds on the Gulf than there were dirty birds? And they all got paid with your tax dollars, not BP fines. In fact BP never paid any fines except those that were filtered through politicians hands, first.
Corporate media keeping corporate America in check?
That’s cute.
Yeah because pipelines that have been running for decades such as the Alaskan pipeline have been so detrimental to the environment. This bullshit like this that is going to cause the Democrats to take it in the ass during the midterm election.
Does the Alaskan pipeline traverse an area of land where a leak could potentially ruin the drinking water of tons of people?
Yes
No
“… even if it did, the thing is bullet proof. …” And so would the XL be.
“… There has been an act or two of sabotage. …” And that’s what some of the eco-fanatic, demo-Fascist, global worms are a-thinkin’.
I don’t think so.
1) Canadians have been cleaning up their own shit for decades.
2) There are no “inevitable” leaks, just opportunities to upgrade, repair, clean up and move on. (If you want to see a really dirty spill, take a look in southern Ontario where oil spurts up out of the ground, naturally, and has done so for millennia. (Same, same in western Pennsylvania near Oil City where the local natives used this black gold as medicine … they even sold it to the stupid, ignorant white eye politicians.)
3) One thing for sure: the lower 48 state g’ments will most definitely miss out on all of that tax revenue … plus the vigorish that the poll-parties always seem to extract and extort from our own Big Oil biz.
Oh Bummer.
1) Good, let them continue.
2) “The engine isn’t days away from falling apart and putting your life at risk, it’s an OPPORTUNITY to upgrade and repair the car!”
“Why, oil spurts out of the ground in one place. Who cares if thousands of barrels are spilled in another with a much more delicate and fragile ecosystem that affects lots and lots of innocent people?”
“Oil is medicine! Free medicine for everyone!”
Well gee gosh golly, I guess I had all of this wrong! Such a great deal!
3) I find it highly hilarious that someone worries about missing out on tax revenues from Big Oil when we heavily subsidize their asses year after year.
No one is mentioning Canada Corps being able to use imminent domain to get access to American lands. It has happened near the border already. Yea, that Pipeline is pie in the sky…. for big oil.
“… I find it highly hilarious that someone worries about missing out on tax revenues from Big Oil …”
Me too. … Mmmm, BTW: why do you suppose there is a port expansion desired by the politicos of South Carolina? … Could it be that SC will have the only oily-ex port in a “right-to-work” state on the eastern seaboard? Could there be another refinery in SC’s future? … and a pipeline of your very own?
Amen brother!!!!
Just curious. Had anyone noticed the media articles about big Will filing a complaint against ole T-Rav and before charges were filed they agreed to settle matter and now suddenly any articles or comments about T-Rav have been removed from the site when just last week half of the site had articles about him. Wonder what that is all about.
more journalistic integrity that Sic Willie insists the MSM doesn’t have.
I am surprised it is not going West. China was willing to pay anything to get that oil. I guess they still want to sell it to us, as long as they refine it and put it on one of their tankers. Good for them.
Just another guy…(JAG)…..Bravo….bravo…bravo…..(clap, clap, clap)
+125 points and a tanker GPS tracker….
” I guess they still want to sell it to us, as long as they refine it and put it on one of their tankers. Good for them……”
Dare to wonder how upgrades in North Charleston will “benefit”….!? How would a company know years in advance to make upgrades to anticipate such a a decision..?
How would BOEING ensure their “yearly” fuel purchase supplies are “met”..?
Boomerang 101, 404, 901 ….Noisette “tank Farm” swap 101……Biedler Forest campfire smores……….
They are NOT selling any of this to us. It is all going outside of North America. They just want to spill it on American soil on the way.
Keep Canada oil spill free!!
*****…..meanwhile, over in the Mill Inn Bar on Montague Ave. in North Charleston…****
Trucker : “Golly, how brain dead is Wil Folks to finally write this article…? Geez, does he not know just how much in upgrades have happened to the petroleum tanks down the street..?”
Anita Zucker: ” I wonder if he and Liz Gunn have been spending too much time trying to get restaurants reviews…?”
SCDOT oil tax analyst: ” Keystone will be built…….it will now not be getting the same press. As for investments, does Wil not stop to consider how much MORE profits will be made off of a 2800 mile pipeline compared to a 1600 mile pipeline..? Think of the “puts” on the steel commodity supply alone…!? That info makes WIl Folks look like a moron to his readers if nothing doesn’t. SMIRKS and Boz sure are SMART about investment snookery…! ”
Mayor Kieth Summey: “Yep……this article is pretty lacking. Wil Folks really needs to pick up his game. Personally, he never gave my wife’s joint called “Aunt B’s” any type of restaurant review. She had to close down because of it. Dumb Post and Courier readers only tip so much compared to Fitsnews readers..!!”
Anita Zucker: “Wonder how many readers from Canada Mr Folks lassos per month…?”
Is it ironic that the advertisement midway through this article is telling me “The Oil Boom is Here?” There’s a picture of a cowboy businessman. He’s telling me I can invest my 401k into oil exploration.
No, it’s not ironic. I don’t think that word means what you think it means.
It must not. Thanks for enlightening me.
Maybe you can tell me what it means in the context that I used the word?
I was just answering your question.
devastating
Again, thanks for clarifying.
I believe the context for my use of “irony” rests in the fact that this article contains “bad news” about oil–while also showing a cheesy smiling cowboy who wants to highlight the great and wonderful opportunities with oil.
While I can also see the deeper argument–that because the pipe will not be built, it is now a “good” time to invest in oil exploration.
My understanding is that irony is characterized by a humorous or opposite result to what one would normally expect. Thus, “bad news” about oil also containing a direct-response marketing pitch calling for me to invest in oil seems opposite.
All that to say, thanks for keeping on my toes. I do enjoy a snarky reply when it is deserved. Well played.
Vehicle emissions kill 53000 people a year in America alone
Air pollution kills 200,000 people a year
3,5000,000 die from indoor air pollution worldwide because of lack of electricity or modern cooking appliances.
Pollution from car emissions killing millions in China and India
Countries with the most Automobiles have the fewest deaths due to air pollution.
Replacing wood and coal cook stoves with modern gas and electric appliances would save save more lives than the elimination of the automobile including Accidents.
CNN – An estimated 7 million people died due to air pollution globally in 2012, with more than half of the deaths linked to indoor smoke from cook stoves, according to a report by the World Health Organization.
HALF OF ALL AIR POLUTION DEATHS: Not automobiles, not generation of electricity.
Another obama screw up!
If haley is reelected, it will be no less catastrophic!
Increased Carbon Dioxide in Atmosphere Will Kill More People
Polluted Rain Run-off Poses Threat to Water Systems
Obama is spiraling downward in flames. Nobody wants him much anymore. Democrats are set to lose control of the US Senate while Repugs are guaranteed to keep control of the House. This sets it all up to grant the majority of the American People’s wish; IMPEACHMENT.
Dear NSA “brethren”……
We know 2 eyez and 3 eyez resemble “5eyes” but then again Wil Folks is not “Just another guy”….!
You can run ….you can divide……….you can try to “hide”……….but Wil Folks is gonna steamroll through an “Excel spreadsheet” a mile “wyde”…….!!
So….how long would it take Boz and Smirks and Colonel to review a spreadsheet of pipeline choices being “planned” for a piedmont “snake”…!?
Why would investors “need” to know..?
Brought to our Country by our incompetent, indecisive O. Another failing by POTUS!
Good on ‘Em, ai … They got oil, they gotta sell it, they will find a way to get it to market.
Who needs those jobs, anyway. Oh Bummer.
“300,000 new jobs” from the Keystone pipeline?
Who came up with that? The same people claiming I-73 will create 29,000 jobs in South Carolina?
Yes, complete bullshit.
“The same people claiming I-73 will create 29,000 jobs in South Carolina?”
lol…you can buy a lot of Mexicans for very little down, & low payments each month. Bring cash! No credit needed!
Well of course leave it to Fits to ignore the facts. As with his mentor the Fake News Network, this is a fact free zone. If you only read the links Fits provides you will see the Canadians still want the Keystone XL pipeline.
From the Bloomberg article:
“The best way to get Keystone XL built is to make it irrelevant,” said Frank McKenna, who served three terms as premier of New Brunswick and was ambassador to the U.S. before becoming a banker.”
“Make no mistake –- they still want it (the Keystone XL pipeline) approved under the theory that oil sands reserves are so vast that it will require multiple large pipelines to develop them properly.”
Just one of
Obama’s many failures!
Obviously, FITS saw nothing of the grassroots, native Nebraskan protests against KXL just last week:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/30/us/keystone-xl-pipeline-nebraska-opponents.html?module=Search&mabReward=relbias%3Ar%2C%7B%221%22%3A%22RI%3A11%22%7D&_r=0
God forbid the people whose land will be fouled so that Canadian land doesn’t have to be have an opinion.
The only thing that matters is what the Kochs want.
It’s not that Canada wants this pipeline anymore, they do. What they can’t do is pay for it and the ongoing problems.