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Marco Rubio’s Ridiculous Position On Marijuana

SENATOR WON’T SAY IF HE SMOKED … BUT OPPOSES YOUR RIGHT TO This website was originally quite keen on U.S. Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Florida) – repeatedly referring to him as “one of a handful of genuine fiscal conservatives in the U.S. Congress.” Technically that’s still true. Rubio’s voting record is…

SENATOR WON’T SAY IF HE SMOKED … BUT OPPOSES YOUR RIGHT TO

This website was originally quite keen on U.S. Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Florida) – repeatedly referring to him as “one of a handful of genuine fiscal conservatives in the U.S. Congress.”

Technically that’s still true. Rubio’s voting record is much better than the vast majority of “Republicans” in Washington, D.C., although let’s be honest – that’s not exactly a ringing endorsement of his pro-free market, pro-freedom credentials.

Anyway …

Rubio first drew askance looks from us back in 2012 when we discovered his views on sugar subsidies (he supports them). More recently, he’s revealed himself to be a global interventionist and staunch supporter of America’s domestic spy network – exposing troubling ideological moorings.

This month, Rubio is receiving criticism for his refusal to admit whether he smoked pot.

“If you say that you did, then suddenly there are people out there saying, ‘Well, it’s not a big deal,’” Rubio told Yahoo!’s Politics Confidential. “On the other side of it is if you tell people that you didn’t, they won’t believe you.”

Say huh?

Marco (Polo) … we hate to break it to you, but it’s 2014. People are “out there saying it’s not a big deal” because guess what … it’s not a big deal.

Rubio’s refusal to acknowledge his prior drug use doesn’t bother us that much. One could make the case it is reflective of an evasive character, but whatever – that’s his business.

Our problem with Rubio is his support for the sustained criminalization of marijuana and other drugs.

“I believe that adding yet another mind-altering substance to something that’s legal is not good for the country,” he told Politics Confidential.

Really? 

So in Rubio’s view government should continue its failed “War on Drugs?” Keep spending billions of tax dollars annually on the apprehension, prosecution and incarceration of non-violent drug offenders? Keep feeding costly government bureaucracies and violent black marketplaces? And keep foregoing potentially billions of dollars in revenue for debt repayment and other core government functions?

Sheesh …

Once again, Marco Rubio’s commitment to our liberties and free markets is being exposed. Once again, he’s just paying lip service to woo impressionable “Republicans …” making him less and less of an outlier in the failed party to which he belongs.

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188 comments

GrandTango May 23, 2014 at 4:09 pm

He killed himself shilling for irresponsible immigration policies. So it does not matter.

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GOP Clown Car May 24, 2014 at 11:26 am

Well, damn. Who will be able to beat a Democrat in ’16?

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charlie ervin castro May 24, 2014 at 11:34 am

Nikki will defeat Biden.

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GOP Clown Car May 24, 2014 at 5:34 pm

Nikki’s even dumber than Biden. Shit, sorry, I thought you were serious for a sec.

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GrandTango May 24, 2014 at 2:40 pm

Who is THE Democrat???…Hillary??..Joe Biden…John Edwards, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi???…LMFAO..Talk about a car full of total f*#king Jokes…

You are one ignorant MoFo if you think you have ANYBODY who can overcome the deep hole the democrat is already in, thanks to the TOTAL F*#k Up Obama has been…

Remember “You can keep you coverage, and it will cost less”…

People are losing coverage, or cannot afford the cost if they can find a policy…

When you tell a father, his baby bay daughter can’t get a doctor…the level of anger toward Obama that is developing can NEVER be covered up by the media…or Race-Baiting …

You still have no idea of what F*#king disaster Obama is, do you, Dumb@$$???…And people are now figuring out what a freaking fraud he is…

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GOP Clown Car May 24, 2014 at 5:29 pm

You’ll be dead before another Republican becomes president.

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GrandTango May 24, 2014 at 7:09 pm

But you did not tell me what F*#king Genius you can put up in 2016????

3 of the last 5 presidents (and the most successful ones) have been R…and the only successful D (a Southern Governor) acted like an R on much of his fiscal policy…

You are toast, Dumb@$$…

GOP Clown Car May 24, 2014 at 8:29 pm

Hillary, Warren, can beat the shit out of any of the fuckers the Gop puts out. LMAO!

GrandTango May 25, 2014 at 7:00 am

HahahahahahahahaDumb@$$….HahahahahahahahahahahahaIdiot….HahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaFoool…….HahahahahahahahahaKool- Aid…..Hahahaha…

You go from a Kenyan to privileged lily white Pants suit…Silver-spooned, elitist REAL Native-born American…..PRICELESS…..Cheek bones and All….Hahahahaha…..

Aid….HahahahahahahahahahaIgnotnace…..HahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahhahDuped….Hahahahahahahahaha…That’s just F*#king Funny….

You people have to believe some stupid myths to be liberal…..Damn you are ignorant…

euwe max May 25, 2014 at 10:49 am

Tea party makes its last stand in Mississippi, targeting longtime Sen. Thad Cochran

“In April, we received some sort of notice that there was a video floating around about Kay and Thad,” McDaniel told a radio show this morning. “I’ve never laid eyes on the video, but what I was sure of is that that was not anything that our campaign was going to be about.”

Had he said something like that on Saturday morning, this would be a different story. Instead, it’s the other side gleefully bringing McDaniel down with innuendo about what he knew, when he knew it, and whether he was really so distant from this greasy blogger after all.

President Perry/Romney May 25, 2014 at 1:08 pm

Whatever you say, boss. Hee hee hee.

GrandTango May 25, 2014 at 10:06 pm

I was Exactly Right about Perry (and his SC consulting firm)…and EXACTLY right about what Obama has done to the country…Don’t blame me. I did not you could get Melowise Richardson (and millions of racist Obama criminals like her) to vote multiple times for your lord-god…

You look like a F*#king Dumb@$$ challenging it…

willfixit May 25, 2014 at 8:55 pm

Kenyan…”You people have to believe some stupid myths to be liberal…..Damn you are ignorant…”
I
Can’t
Stop
Laughing.

GrandTango May 25, 2014 at 10:02 pm

It took 4 years to produce a PDF, Copy of a “certificate of live birth.” He got away w/ it, like he does everything…but you’re not that F*#king Stupid, are you???

willfixit May 25, 2014 at 10:08 pm

His mother was a U.S. citizen, just like Rubio’s.
And that is all that legally matters.

GrandTango May 26, 2014 at 6:02 am

It may be a good idea for you (and Obama) to read the US Constitution…Dumb@$$…

Again: Don’t sweat. He got away w/ it. But I think the value in that, as an opponent of Obama, is that we’re finding out there are dire consequences for lies and corruption.

Even if you can con people, the result of Obama’s dishonesty and incompetence are becoming apparent…. and the democrat party will pay for it, for years…

willfixit May 25, 2014 at 10:12 pm

And if your insurer required anything more than a Social Security #, that’s your -insurer-, not the ACA.

STFU Dickhead May 26, 2014 at 12:59 pm

” (I’ve had to produce more documentation than that because of Obamacare)….”

You mean filling out that Medicaid form?

GrandTango May 26, 2014 at 2:13 pm

It’s funny how you insult homosexuals one day and Medicaid recipients the next in your hatred for me…yet you are out in the streets proclaiming their honor…You defend these groups you use to feed your power and greed, and it is why you exist…but then they so easily become insults…

Are you liberals, lairs, hypocrites…or just a bunch of F*#king Dumb@$$#$???

STFU Dickhead May 26, 2014 at 2:28 pm

Where have I insulted homosexuals, GT? Something you need to get off your chest??

GrandTango May 26, 2014 at 3:05 pm

By implying homosexuality is something I’d need to “Get off my chest” is insult, you punch-drunk idiot.

And: I guess, by not challenging it, you’re conceding that you are using Medicaid recipient as an insult…

S. Palin May 24, 2014 at 5:42 pm

Ahaha! Death panels? Watchng way too much Fox, Dipshit Jones.

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Learn To Live With It May 23, 2014 at 4:09 pm

Synonym for an Empty Suit.

Go ahead Republicans,nominate this guy!

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TontoBubbaGoldstein May 23, 2014 at 4:26 pm

“I believe that adding yet another mind-altering substance to something that’s legal is not good for the country,” he told Politics Confidential.

What does that even effing mean?

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euwe max May 23, 2014 at 5:29 pm

He was probably stoned when he said that.

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bogart May 23, 2014 at 9:01 pm

Think it means he needs a little sip of water.

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Smoke'm if you got em May 23, 2014 at 9:10 pm

Nah, he needs a bag of Doritos….to go with his mound of pot on the living room floor and two fat girls that will tag team him sexually in between rolling doobs…oh wait…that whole second part was me in another life….Rubio just needs Doritos.

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euwe max May 24, 2014 at 8:13 am

Pot is nature’s way of giving fat girls a taste of what it’s like to be beautiful and famous.

I just hate how unfair the whole sex thing has become.

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Jay Ellington May 27, 2014 at 12:06 pm

Does anyone else think the UC shooter should have just lowered his standards?

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euwe max May 24, 2014 at 8:16 am

That never occurred to me! You think he had such a bad case of cotton mouth from a couple of joints in the parking lot before he went on.. that he *had* to have a little sip of water?

The way his eyes never left the camera, like he was on a stakeout, has been haunting me as something unexplainable.. until now.

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Howie Katzz May 24, 2014 at 8:07 pm

What does that even effing mean?

You’re joking right? By adding another drug, you increase it’s availability. If by some genius move you restrict access more, then druggies will just choose the black market (just like under prohibition!). Adding another drug means increased use/abuse.

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euwe max May 24, 2014 at 8:15 pm

so you’re afraid you’ll get addicted, and won’t seek help?

If I was feeling evil, I’d send you down to your local “high” school to see how easy it is to obtain already – because it’s not regulated… if you weren’t so old and crotchety, looking like a narc, they’d probably accept you and maybe even let you mooch on their private stash.

Another drug! [rolling eyes]

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Howie Katzz May 24, 2014 at 8:18 pm

” I’d send you down to your local “high” school to see how easy it is to obtain already – because it’s not regulated… ”

Under legalization, a minor who wants weed will get it from an adult proxy or the local drug dealer. Legalization will not decrease availability. It in fact, adds another avenue to procure the drug.

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euwe max May 24, 2014 at 8:19 pm

Under legalization, a minor who wants weed will get it from an adult proxy or the local drug dealer. Legalization will not decrease availability. It in fact, adds another avenue to procure the drug.

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Have you ever seen a 20 lane highway?

Howie Katzz May 24, 2014 at 8:19 pm

Pardon?

euwe max May 24, 2014 at 8:20 pm

Do you believe that by simply adding 18 more lanes of highway, it will lead to the increase of drunk driving?

Howie Katzz May 24, 2014 at 8:22 pm

Not sure what you’re getting at. If we add more pubs and liquor stores then I wouldn’t be surprised with an increase of traffic accidents.

euwe max May 24, 2014 at 8:23 pm

Not sure what you’re getting at. If we add more pubs and liquor stores then I wouldn’t be surprised with an increase of traffic accidents.

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I’m sure grocery chains would be interested to know that simply adding more stores will make people eat more.

Howie Katzz May 24, 2014 at 8:26 pm

Well, customers are most sensitive to price changes. Under legalization the price of weed will drop like rocks. Therefore, more people will use pot.

euwe max May 24, 2014 at 8:27 pm

So you think that supply actually drives demand.

TontoBubbaGoldstein May 24, 2014 at 8:50 pm

*coughs* Rule # 3, euwe, Rule #3 *coughs*

euwe max May 24, 2014 at 8:54 pm

dude.. hey.. I appreciate your selfless dedication to creating an atmosphere where the exchange of ideas can take place with the minimum of friction… fiction?.. your influence has helped make me who I am today.. but.. Rule #3? Really?

[strong jaw and steely eyes]

TontoBubbaGoldstein May 25, 2014 at 9:13 am

… but.. Rule #3? Really?

Just trying to save you some time and frustration, buddy.

euwe max May 25, 2014 at 9:17 am

I know… but if I was really interested in that – I wouldn’t come *here*, now wood eye? Peg leg!

Howie Katzz May 24, 2014 at 8:27 pm

Are you implying we should legalize pot to decrease use?

euwe max May 24, 2014 at 8:31 pm

No, I’m saying anyone who really wants to smoke already is smoking.. it will eliminate contact with the criminal element to obtain it, provide pharmaceutical grade product with known properties, become a source of revenue for important things like education and health care, and replace other, more addictive and physically damaging drugs, like alcohol.

Marijuana has no LD50.

Howie Katzz May 24, 2014 at 8:37 pm

I disagree that pot is already used by most who desire it. Legitimate studies, like RAND’s “Altered State” indicate that usage will increase upon legalization – partly driven by price which will fall with higher legal availability. Studies of high school students also indicate that legality would increase their likelihood of using it. (http://www'cbsnews'com/news/marijuana-legalization-may-lead-more-teens-to-smoke-pot/). And alcohol use during 1920s prohibition fell by 50%, not to recover until years after repeal; showing that legality highly influences demand. Finally, pot use has already been rising as controls become less strict and societal stigmas weaken, and there’s no reason to think there isn’t plenty of room for them to rise higher if it became legal.

euwe max May 24, 2014 at 8:46 pm

Have you noticed that two states have already legalized marijuana, and no one’s hair has caught on fire.. oh.. wait.. I hope I… nevermind…

First, the alcohol use statistics are bogus. People didn’t admit drinking when it was illegal, just like Rubio there.

if you read about Colorado, you’ll find the prices increased, revenue is being collected, and the horrors imagined by pearl clutching hostesses did not materialize. Then, if you have any time left you might want to check out the current state of affairs in DC where it’s still illegal, and guns are used to protect turf…that hasn’t happened since prohibition, when turf wars and confrontations with the cops went far beyond Welfare Bundy, and the militia defending his freeloading cows.

Deo Vindice SC May 24, 2014 at 8:59 pm

Closer to home Ew, i think he means.

SCBlues May 25, 2014 at 12:33 pm

“freeloading cows.”
= MOOchers!

TontoBubbaGoldstein May 24, 2014 at 8:45 pm

TBG wouldn’t be surprised at a decrease in traffic accidents.

Sandi Morals May 24, 2014 at 8:27 pm

Lesson here? Keep Democrats away from your children.

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Deo Vindice SC May 24, 2014 at 8:51 pm

So why are perves 90% white republicans ?

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TontoBubbaGoldstein May 24, 2014 at 8:50 pm

TBG found the phrasing weird.

It was as if Rubio was arguing against a proposal to add LSD to Mountain Dew…following the “slippery slope” of adding caffeine, in the first place.

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Howie Katzz May 24, 2014 at 8:51 pm

Not all psychoactive substances are alike.

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euwe max May 24, 2014 at 9:15 pm

Now *there* you have grabbed the golden ring! Psychoactive means different things to different people. Mostly fear.

When a person picks up a bottle of Jim Beam and tries to finish it in one sitting, he’s not thinking “psychoactive,” he’s thinking “duh – me get drunk”… the “psycho” part happens later.

The federal Drug Enforcement Agency’s (DEA) own Administrative Law Judge, the Honorable Francis Young, stated in 1988, 20 years ago “Marijuana is the safest therapeutically active substance known to man…”

He went on to say, “The evidence clearly shows that marijuana is capable of relieving the distress of great numbers of very ill people, and doing so with safety under medical supervision. . .it would be unreasonable, arbitrary and capricious for the DEA to continue to stand between those sufferers and the benefits of this substance.”

Perhaps more remarkable were the conclusions of President Nixon’s Shafer Commission, who were appointed to investigate marijuana’s available scientific and medical evidence. To the shock and dismay of President Nixon, the Commission found enough evidence to recommend that marijuana be decriminalized.

Howie Katzz May 24, 2014 at 9:23 pm

Perhaps the final point to be made in this preface is the most troublesome of all. Reports of this research and other circumstances that argue against the use of marijuana have largely been withheld from the American people by a news media blackout. In 1976, columnist Roscoe Drummond published an essay in The Christian Science Monitor entitled “Conspiracy of Silence on Marijuana.” He began, “There is widespread ignorance concerning the grievous harm which marijuana is doing to young people. The cause of that ignorance is almost unbelievable it is so pernicious. Leading newspapers, network media, and many leaders of science, theology and education are actively closing the avenues of publicity by suppressing the evidence of expert findings.”[4]

This blackout was dramatically evident for the first time in 1972. In 1971, the U. S. Congress established a National Commission on Marijuana and Drug Abuse. It was provided with a generous budget to conduct research, hold public hearings, travel to foreign countries to interview key figures in drug control and research, and make recommendations to the President and the Congress concerning drug policy.

During the first of two years, the Commission studied only marijuana. At that time the Commission judged that not enough research had been done to make flat judgments about the nature and extent of the harm marijuana might cause to the users, but what was known strongly suggested caution. The Commission’s report urged the Government to discourage the use of the drug. [5]

At the press conference in The Capitol announcing the Commission’s formal report, Governor Raymond Shafer of Pennsylvania, the Chairman of the Commission, opened the session by stating that the Commission’s Report on Marijuana contained a number of recommendations. However, he said that the first recommendation urging the Government to discourage the use of marijuana was the most important one. The Commission’s report was the lead story in the news that evening and the next morning. Recommendation number one was not mentioned.

A year later, at the press conference for The Commission’s report on other mind-altering drugs, Governor Shafer opened the meeting with an announcement that the Commission had reaffirmed its earlier report. He reminded the media that the recommendation to discourage the use of marijuana was the most important one and he urged the media to stress it in their commentaries about the second report. Once again, a national blackout.

What follows is an overview, starting in 1961, of the criminalization of marijuana, the research into the nature of the drug and the consequences of its use, and the ever-growing agitation to legalize it.

euwe max May 25, 2014 at 12:29 am

urging the Government to discourage the use of marijuana

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ah. the nanny state – it’s recommendation to decriminalize it was overshadowed by the moral imperative that the government tell us what kind of lives we have to choose from.

Howie Katzz May 25, 2014 at 5:27 pm

“t’s recommendation to decriminalize it was overshadowed by the moral imperative that the government tell us what kind of lives we have to choose from”.

Correct. That was the Shafer Commission’s primary recommendation.

euwe max May 25, 2014 at 6:43 pm

I’m sure there are commissions that would recommend for and against alcohol, homosexuals, blacks, atheism, alcohol, pornography, Islam, sex toys, homeschooling, public schools, prayer in schools, speed limits, long hair, meat eating, fast cars, seat belts, motorcycle helmets, aspirin, vitamins, vaccines, euthenasia….

But the government has no business doing more than presenting the facts, and enforcing the will of the people… what any administration’s politicians say about “the best way to live” is political opinion and should be treated as such.

Religious organizations are similar – only they can’t enforce their opinions in this day and age – thank God.

sparklecity May 25, 2014 at 9:42 pm

I was around back then serving as a paratrooper in the 82nd Airborne division and I can attest that 25% -50% of the division was stoned at any given time and we still managed to keep the Ruskies from intervening in the Yom Kippur War of 1973

Take you pompous self-righteous ass and go somewhere else.

You don’t have a clue

Midnight Toker May 26, 2014 at 12:52 pm

Hey, shithead. Pot in Colorado is taxed so much, there’s no difference in what I’m paying here for a decent bag of weed. $120 a quarter oz.

euwe max May 24, 2014 at 8:59 pm

caffeine, at least has an LD50 around 150-200mg/kg… now *there* is a drug we can all get behind!

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Sean Hannity is God May 23, 2014 at 4:38 pm

BENGHAZI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Soft Sigh from Hell May 23, 2014 at 4:45 pm

Even the archetypal Teabaggers are models of reason, moderation, and restraint compared to Miami Cubans as a whole.

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euwe max May 23, 2014 at 5:43 pm

It must have been mutation from decades of starvation and lack of medical care combined with constant, mind-numbing political criticism, passed down for generations that gave he Teabaggers the edge.

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lol May 23, 2014 at 9:14 pm

You dissing Frank Martin?

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Smirks May 23, 2014 at 5:06 pm

Big whoop if you smoked, be a big man and admit it Rubio. For fucks sake, stop filling the jails with people who do the same shit you did.

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euwe max May 23, 2014 at 5:46 pm

That’s what he thought you’d say. Of course, I’m using poetic license in using the word “thought” there.

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SCBlues May 23, 2014 at 5:09 pm

Marco Rubio’s Ridiculous Position on ________________.
Why single out marijuana? His position on just about everything is ridiculous.

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Sandi Morals May 24, 2014 at 9:09 am

Ridiculous? I am in Pensacola doing some work and not ONE political operative I have spoken to in the last couple of days has the governor race in SC on the radar of being competitive however their are rumblings of the DNC possibly funneling money to the Tom Ervin campaign if Tom quits pretending to be a conservative.

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SCBlues May 24, 2014 at 10:57 am

WTF are you babbling about now??

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Sandi Morals May 24, 2014 at 11:25 am

Tom Ervin’s political hero, fellow GOP ‘Quitter’ Charlie Christ who is running for governor of Florida as an Independent Democrat like Tom Ervin is in SC is heading to Cuba to meet with Raul Castro prior to the November election.

Maybe Tom can send Sheheen with Crist and ask Castro to help gather signatures from other socialist party supporters in Cuba?

South Carolina if you allow Ervin and Sheheen to pull this off, shame on you.

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Rock Star... May 24, 2014 at 11:30 am

I would welcome a lesser shame than Haley.

Sandi Morals May 24, 2014 at 11:44 am

Who knows.Tom was a dem.Then a republican.Now he is a self-styled independent card carrying republican that is trying to elect a dem party socialist as governor.

Only thing left for the confused Tom Ervin to announce is that he is running as a self-styled Green Party Marxist like fellow dem Gloria Tinabu.That should cover about everybody.

Rock Star... May 24, 2014 at 12:41 pm

That’s actually funny! I think Graham has a similar condition.

euwe max May 24, 2014 at 7:20 pm

See? I knew you could do it! You refreshed your material!

SCBlues May 25, 2014 at 12:31 pm

“See? I knew you could do it! You refreshed your material!”
LOL – you are WAY too funny and witty for this blog!!

euwe max May 25, 2014 at 12:54 pm

I’m available for birthday parties and bride’s stag parties.

Tripps May 25, 2014 at 11:25 pm

Max, your “special clown suit” is now ready for pickup. We were successful in removing all but a few of those unusual stains.

euwe max May 26, 2014 at 12:16 am

Thanks! I love you guys!

SCBlueWoman May 24, 2014 at 10:11 pm

I think that would be a good thing. Really. You should hang your head in shame.

Deo Vindice SC May 24, 2014 at 8:56 pm

Touchee !!!

Deo Vindice SC May 24, 2014 at 7:11 pm

Ever heard of Thomas Ravenel ?

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Deo Vindice SC May 24, 2014 at 6:11 pm

What was the name of the conservative republican ” cokehead ” in Fla that would’nt resign ? I forgot. Is Rubio friends with him or the guy in Canada that smokes crack ?

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Sandi Morals May 24, 2014 at 8:13 pm

He did resign or is not running again and I have no idea who Rubio is friends with.
We do know Tom Ervin is a lying ,ambulance chaser who is trying to destroy the SCRP and rake in that DNC money with Sheheen?

My guess is that it will be a lot more money than an attorney makes now suing people for getting a hot coffee at a fast food joint. Don’t think they gotta pay it back either.

Is Tom gonna fly with Charlie Christ to Cuba? Could klck off the campaign-“Card carrying Republicans for Fidel”- think of the signatures that Tom could get if he took a loaf of bread and bottle of water!

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Deo Vindice SC May 24, 2014 at 8:18 pm

I missed that that news. Very good for him. How is the new Thomas Ravenel campain going ? I think Carol Campbell’s son is also in the mix now, is that true? We need TRUE Republicans for support of Nikki Haley !!!

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Deo Vindice SC May 24, 2014 at 8:26 pm

Did Nikki fly to Georgia ? Or just sell-out on-line ?

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Deo Vindice SC May 24, 2014 at 8:28 pm

That’s really good news, thanks Sandi. Dem vs Dem in Nov. !!!

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euwe max May 24, 2014 at 7:16 pm

It’s a huge abyss, staring back into us with entertaining contradictions and open mouth foot changing… bellicose bloviation about threats to Christmas and Persian babies born as citizens of America with explosive vests… we are parked at the crossroads of a crazy train – reading the graffiti of a thousand tea party authors, scrawled and misspelled with abandon upon a never ending series of tickle me elmos, oil tankers, and empty boxcars – home to an army of sifters, drifters.and grifters…. and Rubio wishes to wear the top hat, and fleece the rubes in the greatest show on earth, wearing his Chinese made beanie, and paper megaphone.

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Deo Vindice SC May 24, 2014 at 9:09 pm

They will still follow, my friend ! Amazing !

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Eddie Haskell Jr. May 25, 2014 at 10:14 pm

I will not tolerate violence in Myrtle Beach on Memorial Day weekend. My first act as governor will be to ban blacks from Horry County that weekend.Murder is unacceptable as is not signing my petition at check points.

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Dude May 23, 2014 at 5:17 pm

Marijuana makes people stupid. We don’t need any more stupid people in this country then we already have.

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euwe max May 23, 2014 at 5:41 pm

then we already have
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very persuasive argument!

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John Boy May 23, 2014 at 6:16 pm

Must have been a good bag he scored there?

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euwe max May 23, 2014 at 6:38 pm

I think his connection is bad – it’s dusted with PCP.

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CorruptionInColumbia May 23, 2014 at 6:59 pm

… or paraquat…

euwe max May 23, 2014 at 10:13 pm

They stopped spraying with that, I think.

RogueElephant May 24, 2014 at 9:19 am

Paraquat is still used . It is called Gremoxon now. Great burn down chemical.

euwe max May 24, 2014 at 11:21 am

Paraquat (dipyridylium) is a highly toxic weed killer once promoted by the United States for use in Mexico to destroy marijuana plants. Research found that this herbicide was dangerous to workers who applied it to the plants.

In 1969, Richard Nixon initiated “Operation Intercept”, a program designed to stem the flow of Mexican marijuana into this country. The program forced Mexico to use paraquat on its marijuana fields. In similar actions, pressure was put on Thailand, Colombia, and Jamaica to curtail imports to the U.S. Mexican marijuana farmers in efforts to salvage their crops still harvested the marijuana and continued to sell the paraquat-laced marijuana to users in Mexico and the United States. There were no reported cases of death occurring from smoking the paraquat-laced marijuana but users reported nosebleeds, headaches, vomiting, and breathing disorders. Paraquat has since been banned for the large scale destruction of marijuana fields. .

In July 2007 the EU Court of First Instance annulled the Directive 2003/112 authorising the use of paraquat in the EU. The ruling followed the legal challenge by Sweden, supported by Denmark, Austria and Finland.

the Chinese government officially announced that the country will phase out use of Syngenta’s paraquat, an herbicide linked to Parkinson’s, cancer and reduced fertility.

ZIMBABWE will work towards exhausting all stocks of the paraquat herbicide in line with China’s research findings that the chemical is highly toxic and therefore unsuitable for continued use.
In Switzerland, Austria, Hungary, Norway, Slovenia, Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Syria, Cambodia, Russia, and many other countries paraquat is already banned or not approved.

Breathing in Paraquat may cause lung damage and can lead to a disease called Paraquat lung. Paraquat causes damage to the body when it touches the lining of the mouth, stomach, or intestines. You can get sick if Paraquat touches a cut on your skin. Paraquat may also damage the kidneys, liver, and esophagus.

If Paraquat is swallowed, death can rapidly occur. Death may occur from a hole in the esophagus, or from acute inflammation of the mediastinum, the area that surrounds the major blood vessels and airways in the middle of the chest.

Chronic exposure to Paraquat may cause pulmonary fibrosis, a stiffening of the lung tissue.
Paraquat is highly acutely toxic and enters the body mainly by swallowing, or through damaged skin, but may also be inhaled. Thousands of deaths have occurred from ingestion (often suicide) or dermal exposure (mainly occupational) to paraquat.

During prohibition, the US Government added poison to industrial alcohol to discourage consumption. People continued to drink it, so the government added more and they killed 10,000 people

Soft Sigh from Hell May 24, 2014 at 1:31 pm

I wonder if they still use it on cotton around here?

RogueElephant May 24, 2014 at 5:29 pm

No . It will kill cotton, however it is used to burn down winter growth of weeds for no till planting. Still a useful chemical. I should be dead long ago according to the above pile from euwe but he is a hopeless liberal. I guess those chemicals affect liberals more than they do conservatives.

euwe max May 24, 2014 at 7:05 pm

This explains a lot………………

Soft Sigh from Hell May 27, 2014 at 8:04 pm

I meant for the preharvest defoliation of the cotton plant, presumably to make the mechanical picking easier or cleaner.

euwe max May 24, 2014 at 7:04 pm

…somewhere in Arkansas, a rusted, rotten cotton trailer collapses under its own weight.

Yep! May 24, 2014 at 3:34 pm

Like every war, most of the casualties are civilians. Yay for democide!

Smoke'm if you got em May 23, 2014 at 9:13 pm

I’ve been there, done that….wasn’t pleasant….I curled into a fetal position in the corner of a friends living room and prayed my feelings went away as I drifited into a weird combination of stupored sleep/coma.

euwe max May 24, 2014 at 8:12 am

Today’s polyploidal Afghan Kush can do that… there is a constant stream of tourists in Amsterdam that spend their first day curled up in a fetal position in their room, wishing they could shake it off and go walking around without feeling like it’s the first day of school and your mommy just left you at the corner.

Frankly, I can’t even smoke shake anymore without a terrible feeling of lost productivity, and a complete failure to focus on interesting thoughts. I used to be able to daydream, and explore the inner workings of thought itself, though after a short time, it would disintegrate into sleepy, hungry nonsense.. no more… I go right to sleepy hungry and paranoid… with a nagging feeling that I could have had more fun eating a sno cone with a friend.

LSD, on the other hand, provides a much stronger and longer lasting burst of energy to explore with.. and I had quite a bit of control.. sort of like dreaming while you’re awake, and it’s real. But there again – there’s a fixed amount of insight you can get.. There’s probably a natural limit for your genetic endpoint… LSD is nice enough to tell you not to take it anymore simply by reaching the same envelope every time.

Marijuana is for the young… who can laugh death in the face and suffer no ill effects. It takes a *lot* of energy for me to stay awake when I’m feeling that comfortable.

Now, when I want a burst of consciousness, I read something by Nietzsche or Feynman, and relax into the amazement of what lay just beyond my grasp.

Impasto May 24, 2014 at 8:53 am

Thus Spake Zarathustra

euwe max May 24, 2014 at 11:23 am

How do they know?

Smoke'm if you got em May 24, 2014 at 11:42 pm

“Frankly, I can’t even smoke shake anymore without a terrible feeling of lost productivity”

In my defense, I didn’t know it was laced at the time.

Of course, being somewhat nihilistic, I’ve read Nietzsche. Feynman was brilliant and at the same time able to communicate very complex ideas to most average Joes, a very nice trait-which is what make Feynman diagrams so awesome.

It’s like Fractal’s for the human brain.

euwe max May 25, 2014 at 12:20 am

Of course, being somewhat nihilistic, I’ve read Nietzsche.

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To correct your nihilistic streak? :) I find his perspective refreshing – his will to power and life affirmation seem to me to be constructive at the very least. People seem to think he’s about tearing things down, and standing amid the rubble, claiming “*this* is truth” – while I see it more like.. “let me see that watch… ah! here’s the part holding it together.. let’s open it and see what interesting little gadgets are inside that drive that incredibly accurate second hand… ” and after some time, begins to understand how it was made, and as though he was a watchmaker his whole life – shares his amusement at how primitive the base conceptions are, and proposes several alternative designs. When applied to religion and morals, this can be very upsetting to the unfortunate without an anchor in those stormy seas.

RogueElephant May 24, 2014 at 5:38 pm

Is that why we have so many Democrats ???? Who’d a thunk it ?? LOL

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Jerry May 23, 2014 at 5:47 pm

I think this guy will be the next VP candidate for the Republicans. When all is said and done they are going to run a black woman at the head of the ticket and Rubio as the VP. (They would run Cruz, but he is not brown enough and he looks like a drag queen. Drag queen might get them the gay vote, but they just can’t take the risk the public will be unwilling to vote for a Canuck).

They don’t really have a black women, so Michelle Bachmann, or Sara Palin will start spending a lot of time in the tanning booth between now an the major primaries.

Now that will show Hillary.

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cadyfatcat May 24, 2014 at 4:10 am

I think you’re kidding, but realistically, it will be another 20 years before a black woman could get through Republican primaries, even if she was the best candidate.

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nitrat May 24, 2014 at 9:52 am

What black Republican woman? Condi? Lindsey’s choice? An active participant in the perpetration of the Bush Wars on the American people?
But, I agree that the once GOP loves them some tokens no matter how marginal they are. It’s as blatant as MSNBC hiring Al Sharpton. And, equally as likely to blow up in their faces.

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CorruptionInColumbia May 23, 2014 at 7:10 pm

It’s no more ridiculous than his stance on amnesty and illegal immigration.

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malcolmkyle May 24, 2014 at 6:45 am

My dear Rubio (and all other pretend conservatives), trying to control each and every thing that 350 million people do with their own bodies is not small government!

Pragmatic libertarians (minimal-statists) and true conservatives agree: that many of society’s problems are caused by government usurping choices that could better be made by individuals themselves. And, that government is just about the worst way of doing almost anything. Where libertarianism normally parts company with “fake” conservatism is over moral issues. A true conservative would have no problem with agreeing that what people do with their own bodies, and especially in the privacy of their own home, should be supremely their own business, and that anything else would entail ignoring the basic tenet of limited government.

If you support prohibition then you are NOT a conservative.

Conservative principles quite clearly are:

1) Limited, locally controlled government.

2) Individual liberty coupled with personal responsibility.

3) Free enterprise.

4) A strong national defense.

5) Fiscal responsibility.

Prohibition is an authoritarian war on our economy and Constitution.

It’s all about market and cost/benefit analysis. Whether any particular drug is good, bad, or otherwise is irrelevant. As long as there is demand for any mind altering substance there WILL be supply! The only affect prohibiting it has is to drive the price up while increasing the costs and profits, and where there is illegal profit to be made criminals and terrorists thrive.

“We are speaking of a plague that consumes an estimated $75 billion per year of public money, exacts an estimated $70 billion a year from consumers, is responsible for nearly 50 per cent of the million Americans who are today in jail, occupies an estimated 50 per cent of the trial time of our judiciary, and takes the time of 400,000 policemen—yet a plague for which no cure is at hand, nor in prospect.”

William. F. Buckley Jr. National Review, July 1st, 1996

Only pretend-conservatives get scammed into believing that big government micromanaging people’s lives is a conservative concept.

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euwe max May 24, 2014 at 8:21 am

The questions, for me, to be answered… did he buy his own bag, or mooch? If he bought it – was his contact a felon, or just some guy he went to school with that went down to Austin for the summer and brought back a couple of keys? Did he burn holes in his shirt from popping seeds, and have to make up something to explain them to his mother? Did he tell his family he smoked? Where did he smoke – in his room with the window open – at a friend’s house – in his car? Did he smoke a roach? Did he use a bong? Did he tell jokes, or curl up on the floor and cry?

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Bible Thumper May 24, 2014 at 9:14 am

Perhaps the reason he didn’t answer was because of your follow up questions.

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euwe max May 24, 2014 at 11:22 am

Inquisitive minds want to know.

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idcydm May 24, 2014 at 8:30 am

Dope, legalize it, regulate it, tax it.

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euwe max May 25, 2014 at 9:10 am

Are you calling Rubio a dope?

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idcydm May 25, 2014 at 9:24 am

Not at all but it’s a question a dope might ask.

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euwe max May 25, 2014 at 9:26 am

ouch!

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idcydm May 25, 2014 at 10:10 am

;)

Impasto May 24, 2014 at 8:56 am

Another hypocrite, a prerequisite in the political arena. Call for incarceration for those who do what you do.

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RogueElephant May 24, 2014 at 9:22 am

It seems like the more you learn about these candidates the less you like them. I was wholeheartedly supporting Rand a while back but then he craps out on voter ID. Why don’t these guys read what the voters want before they stick their foot in their mouth?

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nitrat May 24, 2014 at 9:39 am

You might like it when the candidate kowtows to you. But, once upon a time we elected these people to lead, to go to Washington to learn more than we could about issues and do what is best for the country. They came back home, educated voters as to why they voted the way they did. Then, we made the decision at the polls if we agreed with their explanation or not.
Rand is not one bit different from his crazy daddy. But, since he had no record when he went to the Senate, they thought he would be able to lie and fool people about what he really believed as he moved from venue to venue and no one would pick up on it. They forgot about the media recording everything he said. Duhh.

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TontoBubbaGoldstein May 25, 2014 at 9:27 am

Rand is not one bit different from his … daddy.

TBG sure hopes you are correct, Nit.
Thanks for brightening his Memorial Day weekend!

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euwe max May 25, 2014 at 9:40 am

…sorry to ruin it for you, but have you seen his *hair*?

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nitrat May 24, 2014 at 9:26 am

Marco is not bright.
But, this corrupt former Speaker of the Florida House fit the narrative of the even more non-bright MSM as the savior of a bipartisan immigration deal. The longer he goes on, the more wrong they were proven to be…like with John McCain and Lindsey Graham. He’s just another politician who wants to be on the dole for life and will do whatever he has to do to make that happen.

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Immortal Illumined May 24, 2014 at 10:31 am

the greatest plant in the universe is almost free, LET FREEDOM RING! 13

Rubio should change his book title from “American Son” to “Freedom Denying Nazi Son”

1000s of my friends and family have grown 30-99 plants for 20 years, thanks for keeping prices high and NORCAL wealthy…#1 crop in cali = $15 Billion Untaxed

“any doctor against marijuana is a doctor of death” – cali secret 420

from 0 states to half the country, from low 20% approval to almost 70%, cali runs this planet by 2 decades, time to tie marijuana to the 2014, 2016 elections, out with the old, in with the new

20 years behind us southern states, sad and scary….nobody denies freedoms like the south, nobody…the top ten incarcerators on the planet are southern states and more blacks are in prison then were slaves before the civil war…even if marijuana reforms did pass the republiCANTS in charge would deny you all your freedoms, centuries of practice…no matter though, we never planned on getting your backwards brethren from day one, half the country already but not one southern state, lol…not 1….the new generations are taking over in the south and they are nothing like their freedom denying parents, let’s ride…

Deaths by Alcohol: Millions
Deaths by Tobacco: Millions
Deaths by Prescription Drugs: Quadrupled in last decade
Deaths by Guns: Millions
Deaths by the food we are fed: Millions
Deaths by Marijuana: 0, ever…they are killing my American family while denying freedom

love and freedom forever

AMERICA’S WAR ON DRUGS IS A WAR ON AMERICANS! 33

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Immortal Illumined May 24, 2014 at 10:32 am

begging the republicans to nominate Rubio or Christie, lol……

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Kevin Sabbot May 24, 2014 at 11:49 am

I have spoken with Rubio personally and he admitted he smoked multiple times (even recently)!

Legalize a plant that is already flooded the streets in an unregulated manner.

War on drugs the most expensive, lost war in American history. In terms of money and lives lost!!!

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Bible Thumper May 24, 2014 at 4:17 pm

You and Rubio share a joint, bong or blunt?

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euwe max May 24, 2014 at 8:25 pm

What is it with “blunts” anyway? I can’t *stand* cigar smoke.. do people that smoke cigars inhale the smoke? And then rolling it with pot? That would make me pale and nauseated!

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Bible Thumper May 24, 2014 at 8:50 pm

Don’t know but the convenience store done the road sells most cigars (usually flavored) to young people.

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euwe max May 24, 2014 at 9:03 pm

I used to chew bubble gum cigars when I was a young people

SCBlues May 25, 2014 at 12:36 pm

“You and Rubio share a joint, bong or blunt?”
BT – your posts are becoming more and more progressive and liberal – I think I like you!!

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RogueElephant May 24, 2014 at 5:36 pm

I would not legalize it as much as decriminalize it. Even that will be a hard sell to the legal,enforcement, prison industrial complex that has developed around the “war on drugs”. What is it ? Like 55% of the people in prison are there for minor drug offences? Can you imagine the amount of tax payer money that would free up for other more worthwhile things, not to mention the lives that would not be ruined in the process ?

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Deo Vindice SC May 24, 2014 at 7:13 pm

Benghazi, Benghazi ! Contra, Contra ! Republicans are SO STUPID ~!!!

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Bible Thumper May 24, 2014 at 8:11 pm

RogueElephant, you’re wrong..

50.6% of Federal prisoners are incarcerated for drug charges but Federal prisoners represent only 12.8% of all US prisoners. 16.6% of State prisoners are incarcerated for drug charges and 4.1% merely incarcerated drug possession. I would bet many have prior offenses for more serious crimes. See link and excerpt.

http://www.drugwarfacts.org/cms/Prisons_and_Drugs#sthash.yedgb8wP.dpbs

(Drug Offenders in US Prisons 2012)
Federal: On Dec. 31, 2012, there were 196,574 sentenced prisoners under federal jurisdiction. Of these, 99,426 were serving time for drug offenses, 11,688 for violent offenses, 11,568 for property offenses, and 72,519 for “public order” offenses (of which 23,700 were sentenced for immigration offenses, 30,046 for weapons offenses, and 17,633 for “other”).

State: On Dec. 31, 2011, there were 1,341,797 sentenced prisoners under state jurisdiction. Of these, 222,738 were serving time for drug offenses, of whom 55,013 were merely convicted for possession. There were also 717,861 serving time for violent offenses, 249,574 for property offenses, 142,230 for “public order” offenses (which include weapons, drunk driving, court offenses, commercialized vice, morals and decency offenses, liquor law violations, and other public-order offenses), and 9,392 for “other/unspecified”.

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euwe max May 24, 2014 at 8:26 pm

It’s the contact with the criminal element to purchase pot.

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RogueElephant May 25, 2014 at 8:31 am

OK

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euwe max May 26, 2014 at 3:23 am

Possession

Any amount (first offense) misdemeanor 1 year$ 1,000

Any amount (second offense) misdemeanor 15 days* $ 2,500

Any amount (subsequent offense) misdemeanor or felony 90 days* – 3 years$ 5,000

* Mandatory minimum sentence

Sale

Less than 50 kg felony 5 years $ 250,000

50 – 99 kg felony 20 years $ 1,000,000

100 – 999 kg felony 5 – 40 years$ 500,000

1000 kg or more felony 10 years – life $ 1,000,000

To a minor or within 1000 ft of a school, or other specified areas carries a double penalty

Cultivation

Less than 50 plants felony 5 years $ 250,000

50 – 99 plants felony 20 years $ 1,000,000

100 – 999 plants felony 5 – 40 years $ 500,000

1000 plants or more felony 10 years – life $ 1,000,000

Paraphernalia

Sale of paraphernalia felony 3 years

Penalty Details

Possession of marijuana is punishable by up to one year in jail and a minimum fine of $1,000 for a first conviction. For a second conviction, the penalties increase to a 15-day mandatory minimum sentence with a maximum of two years in prison and a fine of up to $2,500. Subsequent convictions carry a 90-day mandatory minimum sentence and a maximum of up to three years in prison and a fine of up to $5,000.

Distribution of a small amount of marijuana, for no remuneration, is treated as possession. Manufacture or distribution of less than 50 plants or 50 kilograms of marijuana is punishable by up to five years in prison and a fine of up to $250,000. For 50-99 plants or 50-99 kilograms the penalty increases not more than 20 years in prison and a fine of up to $1 million if an individual, $5 million if other than an individual for the first offense. Manufacture or distribution of 100-999 plants or 100-999 kilograms carries a penalty of 5 – 40 years in prison and a fine of $2-$5 Million. For 1000 plants or 1000 kilograms or more, the penalty increases to 10 years – life in prison and a fine of $4-$10 Million.

Distribution of greater than 5 grams of marijuana to a minor under the age of 21 doubles the possible penalties. Distribution within 1,000 feet of a school, playground, public housing or within 100 feet of a youth center, public pool or video arcade also doubles the possible penalties.

The sale of paraphernalia is punishable by up to three years in prison.

The sentence of death can be carried out on a defendant who has been found guilty of manufacturing, importing or distributing a controlled substance if the act was committed as part of a continuing criminal enterprise – but only if the defendant is (1) the principal administrator, organizer, or leader of the enterprise or is one of several such principal administrators, organizers, or leaders, and (2) the quantity of the controlled substance is 60,000 kilograms or more of a mixture or substance containing a detectable amount of marijuana, or 60,000 or more marijuana plants, or the if the enterprise received more than $20 million in gross receipts during any 12-month period of its existence.

They’re already taxing marijuana – only you don’t have to buy it to pay the tax!

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euwe max May 24, 2014 at 9:12 pm

No marijuana free zones!

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MikeParent May 24, 2014 at 2:15 pm

If he had a spine he would have said it’s not a big deal and that he favors legalization. Then he would have finally been in accord with a position that the majority of Americans agree with

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Howie Katzz May 24, 2014 at 8:00 pm

If the majority of Americans wanted legalization of pot, it would have been legal already.

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euwe max May 24, 2014 at 8:07 pm

Half of America is below average.

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MikeParent May 25, 2014 at 12:59 pm

That ridiculous. I guess you don’t get poll info in “The Bubble”.
Politicians are defacto bribed by Prohibitionist lobbyists e.g. The for Profit Proson Industry.

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Gregory Geddings May 24, 2014 at 6:46 pm

Dave’s Not Here!

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euwe max May 24, 2014 at 7:57 pm

*snif* *slobber*… *whine*…. “arrrragggh” [hey.. they put a cigarette out in his eye, man!] *snif* *slobber*… *whine*…. “Why don’t you sign ze papers, old man?”*snif* *slobber*… *whine*…. “be..be..because you have cut off both of my hands!” *slobber*… [click]

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euwe max May 24, 2014 at 7:55 pm

This week, a scientific research facility in Wyoming made a startling discovery that is certain to change the way millions of Americans look at the environmentalism movement, after they found conclusive evidence that solar panels not only convert the sun’s energy into usable energy, but that they are also draining the sun of its own energy, possibly with catastrophic consequences far worse than global warming.

Scientists at the Wyoming Institute of Technology, a privately-owned think tank located in Cheyenne, Wyoming, discovered that energy radiated from the sun isn’t merely captured in solar panels, but that energy is directly physically drawn from the sun by those panels, in a process they refer to as “forced photovoltaic drainage.”

“Put into laymen’s terms, the solar panels capture the sun’s energy, but pull on the sun over time, forcing more energy to be released than the sun is actually producing,” WIT claims in a scientific white paper published on Wednesday. “Imagine a waterfall, dumping water. But you aren’t catching the water in buckets, but rather sucking it in with a vacuum cleaner. Eventually, you’re going to suck in so much water that you drain the river above that waterfall completely.”

WIT is adamant that there’s no immediate danger, however. “Currently, solar panels are an energy niche, and do not pose a serious risk to the sun. But if we converted our grids to solar energy in a big way, with panels on domestic homes and commercial businesses, and paving our parking lots with panels, we’d start seeing very serious problems over time. If every home in the world had solar panels on their roofs, global temperatures would drop by as much as thirty degrees over twenty years, and the sun could die out within three hundred to four hundred years.”

The study was commissioned in August 2011 by the Koch brothers, who wanted to learn if the energy giant should start manufacturing and selling solar panels domestically and internationally. The Koch brothers wanted to know more about the sustainability of solar energy and how photovoltaic technology might evolve over the next ten years. But based on the findings of WIT’s research in the field, the Koch brothers revealed on Friday that they will not be entering the solar energy market.

“Solar panels destroying the sun could potentially be the worst man-made climate disaster in the history of the world, and Halliburton will not be taking part in that,” the brothers stated in a press release issued Friday morning. “It’s obvious, based on the findings of this neutral scientific research group, that humans needs to become more dependent on fossil fuels like oil and coal, not less. Because these so-called `green technologies’ are far more dangerous to the Earth than any hydrofracking operation or deep-water drilling station. What good is clean air when our very sun is no longer functional?”

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Bible Thumper May 24, 2014 at 8:42 pm

euwe max, also because more solar panels are in the northern hemisphere facing south and there is more sun in the Summer the earth’s axis of rotation will be pulled toward the sun causing hotter Summers, colder Winters and more extreme weather.

The Koch brothers think tank also found that most wind turbines face west to catch the prevailing wind. This will eventually cause slowing of the earth’s rotation lengthen the day. This will cause hotter days and colder nights. If the days are lengthen then there will be fewer days in the year. This could mean no more Christmas, and fewer work days in the year. Koch brothers will not be entering the wind turbine business, but have announced that the standard 8 hour work day will be increased to 9 hours.

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euwe max May 24, 2014 at 8:51 pm

They’ve also commissioned a study that is investigating a chemical released by the burning of fossil fuels that is more beneficial than vitamins, and may be linked to longer life.

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Bible Thumper May 24, 2014 at 8:59 pm

Science is wonderful. In the twenties they were using radium in makeup and elixir.

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euwe max May 24, 2014 at 9:01 pm

…and watch faces!

Science may one day be able to divine a safe method of releasing the energy of an atom without,.. invisible… rays.. that..

nah!

Bible Thumper May 25, 2014 at 12:17 am

“The Land Unknown” 1957.
Cmdr. Harold Roberts: A few things I can be quite romantic about.

Margaret ‘Maggie’ Hathaway: Name one.

Cmdr. Harold Roberts: Well, women.

Margaret ‘Maggie’ Hathaway: Oh?

Cmdr. Harold Roberts: For example, although I know that women consist mostly of water with a few pinches of salt and metals thrown in, you have a very unsaltlike and non-metallic effect on me.

Cmdr. Harold Roberts: It is true that you can’t live among beasts without becoming one. It is just as true that you can’t live among human beings without becoming affected by their humanity.

Cmdr. Harold Roberts: Climactic change, one of the main causes of evolution, doesn’t exist here.

euwe max May 25, 2014 at 12:30 am

Nothing exists outside of settled opinion.

Bible Thumper May 25, 2014 at 1:05 am

Nothing exists outside of settled opinion.
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If true.
Logical conclusion.
God did to exist.
But now God doesn’t exist.

euwe max May 25, 2014 at 7:52 am

truth is unattainable with logic.

Bible Thumper May 25, 2014 at 9:05 am

Truth exist whether or not it is attainable and regardless of our opinion.

euwe max May 25, 2014 at 9:23 am

You don’t know that – you’re taking it on faith.

Bible Thumper May 25, 2014 at 10:06 am

“Nothing exists outside of settled opinion.”
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True, if opinions are not exclusively human.

euwe max May 25, 2014 at 10:27 am

Reality, for we humans, is a matter of opinion – it may not even be a subset of Reality – and Reality may not even technically exist. if there is Reality beyond our opinion, we are totally unaware of it, and cannot become aware of it. We don’t have the capacity.

Bible Thumper May 25, 2014 at 11:55 am

“if there is Reality beyond our opinion, we are totally unaware of it,”
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Human reality can come from three sources: creation, discovery or revelation(disputed). Only intelligent beings can contemplate reality, but reality from revelation is from non human intelligence and reality from discovery can exist before discovery or even before humans.

Humans can also create. Until recently if you studied any object, you could easily tell whether it was of human creation or not. With new GM foods and artificially grown organs the line between nature and human is blurred.

Evolutionists believe that all life is from natural not creative origin. Scientist have had success creating life by intelligent processes from non living material, (Scientists recently added two letters to the DNA code) never had success or observed life spontaneous from natural processes. We understand creation more than evolution.

euwe max May 26, 2014 at 12:43 am

The main problem with evolution is that statistics is a difficult subject. Common sense does not come with a statistics package. Let me try to illustrate – stop me if you’ve heard this before…

Let’s idealize the materials in an airplane tire and the landing area so that they are continuous, instead of made of atoms.. stipulate the landing field is perfectly flat, and the surface of the tire where the tread is traces an ellipse, so that when the plane lands, only one “point” of the wheel touches the ground at one “point”. Pretty ideal but something anyone can imagine… almost.

So here’s the hidden part. There are an infinite number of “points” on the runway.. as a matter of fact, every square inch of the runway contains an infinite number of points…. to beat the horse senseless, every square angstrom of the tire and runway contains an infinite number of points.

What is the probability that if you chose a single point on the tire, and a single point on the runway, that the tire would land so that condition would be satisfied?

Mathematically, zero.

However, when the plane lands, a point from each DOES satisfy the condition.

When you are dealing with an infinite number of possibilities, strange things happen. They do all the time. However, our time clock is not long enough to see a person who wins at the Roulette table 100 times in a row, without a fix being in… and we don’t see a fair coin flipped heads 1000 times in a row… it would take millions of years. We are conditioned to think things “stay the same,” because consciousness has only been examining cause and effect for 10,000 years… millions of years is quite another matter.

It is difficult to analyze combinations and permutations that occur in our time frame – even more difficult in millions of years… add to that environmental pressure that is relatively constant for millions of years… and you have something that the clerk at the 7-11 is not qualified to comment on – unless he’s autistic.

The analysis of “what is possible” is projected on the backdrop of analysis like the airplane… and many other not so obvious thought experiments that give some perspective on the question, and leads to the conclusion that evolution is not only plausible, but likely… so likely, that the probability that any other conclusion can be drawn is so miniscule, the scale so massive.. that it becomes fact in the same way as the airplane actually does land “somewhere” on the field, no matter how impossible it may seem at first blush.

Millions of years of pressure on living organisms not only takes advantage of mutations, and survival of the fittest, but of processes that we are presently unaware of, due to our relative infancy in the study of how cells run the program of DNA… and how survival traits may be passed along in that database in ways that can only observed in millions of years of scientific observation.

The earth has had billions of years.

Bible Thumper May 26, 2014 at 9:04 am

I believe in evolutionary adaptation. It is when it is used to explain origins that the theory becomes incredible. There is a built in bias to these statistical models. The model can be adjusted until inputs of the fossil record results in the present.

There are arguments on both sides. Occasionally scientists have been able to predict that they would.find a certain fossil and they gone on to find it, but in many/most cases new discoveries are a surprise and they have to adjust their theories and models to account for it. These theories seem to get more and more incredible more complex. When does the complexity reach a point to where the possibility of an intelligent yet shy origin is considered.

I won’t trivialize the tire analogy, but at the quantum level the possibilities are not infinite. The creation of replicating DNA use new “letters”

euwe max May 26, 2014 at 9:37 am

I won’t trivialize the tire analogy, but at the quantum level the possibilities are not infinite.

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it was a thought problem, and to illustrate the continuous nature of probability(though it takes effect on a digital reality), it was necessary to modify the problem to reflect an analog, rather than digital, reality…

probabilities are indeed infinite.. mathematics, our crude, but rather reliable model for describing the universe, reflects the infinite nature of things.. between any two real numbers are an infinite number of numbers.. and this is *required* in order to model reality effectively – whether or not the final state is forced upon a quantum and possibly finite, universe.

I will grant that creation of life has not been achieved… life has only be transferred from one cell to another… the spark of life that animates some random cell may lead backwards in time to a single, mystifying burst of something to which all life is descended from – from the smallest bacteria to the most complex organ of the human body – the mind… all may have that selfsame common ancestor that replicated in the famed primordial ooze.

But that’s a big maybe, and if we can replicate the conditions from which this cell – or possibly many different cells at different times in the distant past – or even somewhere uninvestigated happening still… then we’ll have something more groundbreaking than the atom bomb…

.. but what of evolution? Why shouldn’t the hand of God be something we see through a glass darkly? Must his hand have five fingers for us to be created in His image? What is the reason that God’s activities must be described as a manlike creature forging life from dirt.. are we so determined to force limitations on God that we must imagine God blowing life into the ancestors of all of the bacteria on earth, as well as Adam?

Bible Thumper May 26, 2014 at 10:00 am

Using smart phone, I post then edit on longer posts to avoid losing it. See edits.
What constitutes creation of life is debatable. Scientist have modified life by intelligent, not evolutionary processes. They have copied life from inorganic material. They have created new DNA letters in a bacteria that self replicates. If man has not already created new life from non living material then it is only a matter of time. All of this by intelligent creative methods.

euwe max May 26, 2014 at 10:09 am

I can recreate the rings which arise from a drop of water falling on a still surface of water using intelligent means.. but simply because I can recreate it through intelligent means, doesn’t mean that the original creation was through intelligent means. Duplication of a set of conditions may occur randomly OR by intelligent means.

If we can show that the necessary conditions are repeatable, which we undoubtedly will, then it becomes a matter of superstition that those conditions have never and will never occur without intelligent creative methods.

Bible Thumper May 26, 2014 at 11:03 am

—-..but simply because I can recreate it through intelligent means, doesn’t mean that the original creation was through intelligent means. ——

What original creation? If your accept evolutionary origin of life then there is no creation. Evolution does not require intelligence. Creation does.

Perhaps we are in more agreement than you realize. I don’t deny the fossil record. Genesis is prose not science. I believe Genesis gives man some understanding of mankind’s relationship to God, the earth, animals and each other. Adam and Eve could’ve existed without precluding the existence of Lucy.

euwe max May 26, 2014 at 1:10 pm

What original creation? If your accept evolutionary origin of life then there is no creation. Evolution does not require intelligence. Creation does.

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Not necessarily – my earlier reference to the “hand of God” allows evolution to be that hand, and circularly, creation could be intelligence on a plane we do not understand, but do not credit with intelligence.

Intelligent design, in this context, is the universe itself and the concept of cause and effect taken to the manifest destiny limit… the connection to God would be the mind that observes the universe in its majesty, first hand – recalling that Paul referred to that as well… metaphysical elements included (love, sacrifice, mercy… etc).

However, there is the problem of God interacting with man through means other than observed physical laws, as though there is an exception allowing immediate bi-directional communication.

This is the sticking point, I believe, that equates the atheist and the literalist — neither of which can accept reality as a manifestation of God, but labor to project their dogmatic idioms onto the observed world. The atheist, certain that there’s no way to view Reality as a manifestation of a being, and the literalist not able to accept Reality as a being, but rather a thin veneer clouding our vision of the “Real” being whose impending and continuous (yet unobservable) miracles identify it as separate.

In other words, I think I may accurately say to the atheist – the God you don’t believe in doesn’t exist, and to the literalist – the God you believe in doesn’t exist – both being atheists in the context of Reality as that being.

This highlights the weakness of our definition with the interesting observation that “The Dallas I live in doesn’t exist.” – that is, our definition of Dallas is too imperfect to represent anything “real,”. but even though non-existent, serves as an expedient placeholder.

In the same way,though we use the word “God” , we must accept that what we are referring to is a placeholder, and not a concept that is identical to that perfection we wish to talk about.

Bible Thumper May 26, 2014 at 1:31 pm

The god anyone believes in does not exist because “he” is beyond our minds ability to conceive.

euwe max May 26, 2014 at 1:39 pm

What I don’t know would fill a good sized barn.

euwe max May 27, 2014 at 2:17 am

I never go to sleep, but I keep waking up.

Bible Thumper May 26, 2014 at 10:06 am

——“What is the reason that God’s activities must be described as a manlike creature forging life from dirt.. are we so determined to force limitations on God that we must imagine God blowing life into the ancestors of all of the bacteria on earth, as well as Adam?”——–

The bible is not a science book it is closer to prose. Your rewrite doesn’t work.

euwe max May 26, 2014 at 10:13 am

It isn’t my rewrite – fundamentalists of every stripe have held forth the proposition that scripture is absolutely literal and proposing that it is not literally true is sacrilege.

Bible Thumper May 26, 2014 at 10:33 am

Clearly the bible uses many accepted literary devices that can’t be taken literally. The use of figures of speech is prevalent. The bible personifies ideas and nature and anthropomorphizes God. It was written to meet the needs of both the ignorant ancient world and modern man.

Soft Sigh from Hell May 27, 2014 at 8:10 pm

Wind turbines facing west should speed up the rotation.
Just saying.

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Bible Thumper May 27, 2014 at 8:56 pm

Darn Koch brothers.

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Deo Vindice SC May 24, 2014 at 8:25 pm

Actually, It will be a great day in SC, when Thomas Ravenel beats Nikki for Republican Canidate for Governor ! I vote Thomas !

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Deo Vindice SC May 24, 2014 at 9:05 pm

Republicans have a ass of a long ways to go ! Support base is done. Good luck !

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Thomas May 24, 2014 at 10:37 pm

It is a big deal for any candidate to not volunteer information regarding illegal drug use. Can we say security clearance or possible prosecution. Obama admitted to smoking pot and he should lose his security clearance. How is it Obama got a security clearance is beyond me.

For anyone else, since drugs are so prevalent inside our borders, there must be a reason Reagan’s war on drugs was perverted to a war for drugs.

Ready?

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euwe max May 25, 2014 at 9:29 am

I got a top secret clearance with recreational drug use in my medical folder.

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willfixit May 25, 2014 at 9:00 pm

G.W. used cocaine.
Your argument failed.
And it shouldn’t -be- an issue at all.
Oh, and the CIA has been involved in drug distribution since -at least- the 80’s, including Afghanistan, Columbia etc.

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snickering May 26, 2014 at 9:43 am

Rocky isn’t just schizogenic but his head just split open letting those mixed words touch every thought on every thought. Please let us post in comments the actually stupidest thing/done by a politician that Day. MIGHT BE FUNNY

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