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Boeing To Build 777X In Washington State

Aircraft manufacturer Boeing will build its next generation 777X passenger plane at its unionized facility in Everett, Washington after members of the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers (IAM) narrowly approved a new labor agreement with the company this week. IAM members voted 51-49 percent to take Boeing’s latest deal –…

Aircraft manufacturer Boeing will build its next generation 777X passenger plane at its unionized facility in Everett, Washington after members of the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers (IAM) narrowly approved a new labor agreement with the company this week.

IAM members voted 51-49 percent to take Boeing’s latest deal – a surprising outcome. After all less than two months ago these same workers voted overwhelmingly to reject a deal with Boeing.

South Carolina – which builds (or rather attempts to build) Boeing 787 Dreamliners at a facility in North Charleston – had hoped to compete for the 777X project in the wake of the initial union vote, however the Palmetto State was never seriously in a position to compete for the project.

“Boeing South Carolina is unlikely to be chosen because that complex needs all its resources to try to get the 787 Dreamliner on track,” reporter Dominic Gates of The Seattle Times noted at the time.

Sites in Long Beach, California, Salt Lake City, Utah and Huntsville, Alabama are now out of the running for the 777X, though.

Two months ago FITS exclusively reported on 787 production problems in South Carolina – reports which were recently amplified by CNBC.  And while Boeing has said it is planning major expansions in the Palmetto State over the coming years, it will be interesting to see if the company changes its tune in light of the big union vote in Washington.

South Carolina lawmakers have already shelled out $1 billion in taxpayer-funded incentives to Boeing – including $120 million in new borrowing earlier this year.

Boeing produces Dreamliners, 747?s, 777?s and KC-46 Air Force tankers in Everett, however the 747 and 777 programs are winding down – and the decision regarding the 777X project was seen as a bellwether for the company’s future plans.  Had Boeing moved the 777X out of Washington State, its workforce there would have shrunk from 40,000 to approximately 20,000.  Now, however, Boeing’s Everett facility is likely to see its workforce swell to 50,000 or more.

Of course “losing” Boeing’s 777X may not be the worst thing for South Carolina – because taxpayers won’t be on the hook for hundreds of millions of dollars in corporate handouts (and trust us, S.C. Gov. Nikki Haley and “Senator Boeing” (a.k.a. Hugh Leatherman) were prepared to open the saddlebags.

“Given the extent to which these subsidies shift the tax burden onto existing individuals and businesses in the states where these mega-plants locate, we’re not sure South Carolina’s lack of competitiveness for the 777X project is necessarily a bad thing,” we wrote last November.

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126 comments

Hal January 4, 2014 at 5:06 pm

The photo of the jet you used is actually Nikki Haley’s jet going to Seattle where she will be claiming credit for bringing jobs to Washington State. 11 billion jobs announced by Haley so far. Not one job created by a business or individual with out her personal assistance and leadership.

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Airplane Glue January 4, 2014 at 5:29 pm

Hell, if we can’t build a 787, why would anyone think a 777 would be any easier?

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John Boy January 4, 2014 at 5:30 pm

Yep, another great day in South Carolina!

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Deo Vindice SC January 4, 2014 at 5:36 pm

Let’s smoke crack !

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John Boy January 4, 2014 at 6:09 pm

John Boy doesn’t smoke crack…however, craft beer, rye, and weed will do fine! John Boy also doesn’t vote Republican in this state.

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Deo Vindice SC January 4, 2014 at 8:25 pm

Good, John Boy, we are in agreement

CNSYD January 4, 2014 at 7:50 pm

Where did all those 787s parked outside the Boeing Charleston building come from? Per your statement they obviously weren’t built there.

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GOP Slogans January 5, 2014 at 10:45 am

They were built here at a rate 80% slower than expected, with manufacturing problems that keep them on the ground an avg. of 4 weeks after build out to repair (in another state).

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CNSYD January 6, 2014 at 10:21 am

They need “repairs” so they are flown to another state. Really? An unsafe, incorrectly assembled plane is flown to another state?

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GOP Slogans January 6, 2014 at 11:16 am

You may not know this, but there are many systems on commercial aircraft. Not all of them relate directly to flight capability.

CNSYD January 6, 2014 at 1:21 pm

Oh really? You mean it is not as simple as Sic Willie and his followers make it to be? You do realize that all the systems aren’t designed and built by Boeing? GM, Ford, etc. don’t make tires but they install a lot of them. If you have a tire problem on your new car, you deal with the tire manufacturer not the auto builder. Same with aircraft systems.

Well, well January 5, 2014 at 1:44 pm

And according to a report on the CNBC Financial network, they are sent to Washington for checkout and correct assembly!

http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?video=3000233006

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Karadion January 5, 2014 at 9:22 pm

If that was true, why are there no flight logs of them flying to Paine Field? The people that watches Paine Field like a hawk doesn’t report any flights from Charleston.
http://kpae.blogspot.com/
https://twitter.com/mattcawby
http://boeing-test-flights.blogspot.com/
Do you happen to have any of the 787 registration codes that have flown to Everett from Charleston to be looked at? There is one flight from Charleston to Everett after the plane was delivered. The layover was less than an hour because it was enroute to Asia.

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CNSYD January 6, 2014 at 10:23 am

Stop with the facts! They screw up the jealous crybabies in Rich/Lex whose only “industry” is state government.

Karadion January 5, 2014 at 9:31 pm

https://twitter.com/pdxlight/status/413775005944913920/photo/1

For example this had to be flown to Portland to get painted due to the weather conditions in Texas. This plane did not fly to Everett. Right now it’s sitting at Charleston tarmac waiting for the customer to pick it up.

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Deo Vindice SC January 4, 2014 at 5:33 pm

She is dried up. Plain and simple. How could Boeing trust her ? Oh well, many SC voters will, and re-elect her, just a nutter-day-in-da-neighborhood. SC voters elected a clothing store sales woman, to run the state ! Transparent government, da, da, da. Ethics, da, da, da. As long as we have Republicans in control, we’re on the right track. Too Bad the $7.00 a hour jobs are gone for now. Let’s sale drugs instead, if caught, you still win, with room and board, food, at SC taxpayers expence. A win, win, for a true republican, LOL !!!!

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Thomas January 4, 2014 at 5:43 pm

I read Washington state ponied up several “incentive” billions to lure Boeing back.

However,

The concessions the machinist union made was huge. They were forced by simple economics to give up Boeing sponsored pension plans!! The contract is replacing these unsustainable pension plans with Defined Contribution Plans! The economic reality forces Boeing to stop offering a pension plan and the workers are forced into a defined contribution plan instead. Simple math, really. Do this or have no company to work for.

This is the future shock for many company pension plans as well as federal, state, county pension plans. Defined contribution plans or nothing. See Detroit Pension Plan

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Deo Vindice SC January 4, 2014 at 5:46 pm

And ? Point ? Come to SC and work for ?

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Sarah Palin Forever! January 4, 2014 at 6:48 pm

He hates working people.Hates unions.Loves big corporations.Delights in seeing workers get less and big businesses have more.You know,typical Republican.

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Thomas January 5, 2014 at 11:01 am

Big corporations are jettisoning company pension plans. Unions must cancel out any collective bargaining regarding pension plans. This is the new normal. When unions lose any leverage or gains they collectively bargained for regarding healthcare plans thanks to Obamacare federal mandates, only wage negotiations will remain.

Below is a list of employers that have announced significant changes to their defined benefit pension plans since December 2005. Changes include plan terminations, plan freezes for new and/or current employees, and changes to the formula by which pension benefits are calculated:

E.W. Scripps Company, Sparton Corporation, Atlanta
Convention and Visitors Bureau, Aon Corporation, Cincinnati Bell, McClatchy Company, Saks, Inc., Albany International Corporation, Seattle Times, Motorola, GenCorp Inc., Random House, Inc., Evening Post Publishing, R.H. Donnelly Corporation, New York Times Company, Xerium Technologies, Inc., Equifax, YRC Worldwide Inc., Boeing, Gannett, Standard Register, Beneficial Mutual Bancorp
Inc., 3M, Bryn Mawr Bank Corporation, Northrop Grumman, Neiman Marcus, Inc., Milacron Inc. , Foamex International Inc.

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dwb619 January 5, 2014 at 12:03 pm

ENRON!
Remember that little incident?

Thomas January 5, 2014 at 10:44 pm

Obama and D.C. Democrats is your Kenneth Lay’s and Jeff Skilling’s. They are running America in the ground, taking 100 million dollar vacations, passing stupid healthcare taxes, printing billions of dollars via the Fed Reserve and soon, Enron USA, will crash on you like a cheap Mad Dog 20/20 drunken binge.

SCBlueWoman January 4, 2014 at 7:13 pm

Yet, Boeing preferred paying union wages for a better product than paying cheap assed labor in SC to produce an inferior product? Not to mention the incentives that Madame Haley offered to get them here. It’s a total G.F.

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Thomas January 4, 2014 at 8:07 pm

Washington offered 9 (nine) billion dollars to keep Boeing. Missouri offered 1.7 billion dollars for Boeing. Gov Sanford signed a 750 million incentive package in 2010. This is the new normal. Get over it.

The Obamacare employer mandates, once implemented, will force corporations to look hard at even offering healthcare to employees as an incentive to work for them. ATT pays an average 16,000.00 from their profits for each employee’s union negotiated Blue Cross/Blue Shield healthcare plan. Union members pay a small percentage, say 20%, for their healthcare. South Carolina offers similar plans for their employees. Obamacare raises the question, “why should ATT and South Carolina tax payers pay 80% of their employees healthcare costs”? Obamacare is federal law, SC healthcare is not.

Same goes for private and public pension plans. Oh sure, maybe private sector Boomers will cheat the calendar for the next 10 years if the dollar does not crash bringing down the house of cards that is the stock market and quantitative easing thus hurting the corporations they retired from. Maybe less than 10 years. Generation X and Y certainly will not see their pension promises unfold for their golden years. State and federal pensions could equal entitlement spending levels if we see double digit inflation’s COLA increases coupled with massive investment losses. Unsustainable will be the war cry from taxpayers burdened to pay for these incentives for employment. Pension freezes if not outright stopping payouts will be the outcome.

So simply, a paycheck, Obamacare, and Defined Contribution Pension Plans will be the new normal…if the markets and revenues allow it.

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El Kabong January 4, 2014 at 8:59 pm

SC changed their pension plan last year, the max COLA any retiree can get is $500 in any one year.

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Thomas January 5, 2014 at 10:20 am

Is that more comforting for you? By legislative fiat SC caps COLAS at 1-1.5% annually. They make up these numbers as they go along. Ten percent of South Carolina’s population is in the SC Retirement System. If 5% are retired and receive a 1-1.5% COLA, that comes to sixty million dollars a year from SC taxpayer revenues, money the retirees did not contribute, money that is being siphoned from our General Fund, money that will bankrupt the state.

Another fact, non-retired contributions are rising to 8% in 2014. However, they are being told their accounts will earn 4% compounded annually on your balance as of the previous June 30. Say what? Five year Certificates of Deposits only earn 2.5% APY. How can SC Retirement System pay out 4% APY with a 8% tax deferred contribution from gross pay? In essence, they are only making 4% tax deferred contributions if they receive back 4% APY on the original 8% tax deferred gross pay contributions. Sounds like a ponzi scheme to me. Where can anyone earn 4% annually on your money YOY and not risk anything?

One word: UNSUSTAINABLE

http://www.retirement.sc.gov/scrs/active/basicinfo/

El Kabong January 5, 2014 at 8:12 pm

I was simply pointing out that your dire double digit COLA prediction was wrong.

Thomas January 5, 2014 at 10:30 pm

I knew you would say that. You are uninformed. In fact, I posted the link from where you probably got your information.

What part of “By legislative fiat SC caps COLAS at 1-1.5% annually” do you not understand? Do I have to explain the fucking law to you? I charge 200.00 an hour. Did you forget the State Retirement System Preservation and Investment Reform Act of 2005?

“Section 9-1-1810. (A) As of the end of each calendar year, the increase in the ratio of the Consumer Price Index to the index as of the prior December thirty-first must be determined.

(B)(1) If the Consumer Price Index as determined pursuant to subsection (A) of this section increases by no more than one percent, the retirement allowance, inclusive of the supplemental allowances payable under the provisions of Sections 9-1-1910, 9-1-1920, and 9-1-1930, of each beneficiary in receipt of an allowance must be increased by a percentage equal to the increase in the index.

(2) If the Consumer Price Index as determined pursuant to subsection (A) of this section increases by more than one percent, then:

(a) the retirement allowance of each beneficiary in receipt of an allowance, inclusive of the supplement allowances payable under the provisions of Section 9-1-1910, 9-1-1920, and 9-1-1930, must be increased by one percent; and

(b) the retirement allowance may be further increased beyond one percent up to the lesser of the total percentage increase in the Consumer Price Index or four percent, to the extent that the additional liabilities because of the increase in allowances would not extend the amortization period to liquidate the unfunded actuarial accrued liability of the South Carolina Retirement System beyond thirty years. In considering this additional increase, the board shall consider unrealized investment gains and losses.”

Do you see 4 fucking percent? I do. COLAS can be increased BEYOND 1% up to 4%. There it is…so fuck off and get your head out of your ass.

El Kabong January 6, 2014 at 6:53 am

“The legislation eliminates the current provisions for awarding cost of living adjustments to SCRS retirees that tie COLAs to inflation, and, instead establishes benefit adjustment provisions that award SCRS and PORS retirees a guaranteed 1% annual increase in benefits up to cap of $500.”

http://www.scstatehouse.gov/reports/hupdate/lu2921.htm

Care to try again?

Thomas January 6, 2014 at 7:26 pm

It is excusable for me to not have seen the amended 2012 bill. I was real busy summer of 2012. What you fail to see is that my premise of the SCRS being unsustainable still stands. The vested interests have dug in their heels and have bit on the chomp a little harder. A tweak here and a promise there does not make the “system” any more solvent going forward.

My solution is to use the 25 billion and pay back in the form of tax deferred lump sums to those who have paid into the system and set up annuities for those already retired. Any state matching goes back to the general fund. Amend what must be, but get the 25 billion out now before you lose it.

El Kabong January 7, 2014 at 5:25 am

I have a better solution. Currently state employees are required to also participate in social security. However, since they have a pension plan this is not required, but it is a all or nothing venture and only the employer can make the decision to opt out. The state should opt out of social security for those covered by the state pension and all the money that was sent to the feds (the employee + the state match) should instead be invested in the state pension plan. This should come with a moderate bump in benefits.

This plan would have two advantages, it would get rid of the unfunded liability of the plan in short order AND it would attract young folks to state service with the promise of a robust pension plan and no participation in the failed social security.

BTW – 2012 was a while back, if you are going to opine on message boards at least try to make sure you have some facts correct.

Tom January 5, 2014 at 3:19 pm

What are you talking about? Outside of unionized facilities defined contributions plans have been the norm for two decades. No one who works for a non-union organization gets a defined benefit plan or retiree health care.

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Tom January 5, 2014 at 3:22 pm

One retraction, no one but CEO’s and high level management that is. Of course they don’t get standard defined benefit plans.

The board of directors, simply voluntarily and without coaching decides to drop a 50 million dollar bonus on them in the year they leave the company.

Thomas January 5, 2014 at 11:27 pm

Take a look at the SC Retirement System or the Federal Employees Retirement System. Our state workers have a defined benefit plan and subsidized healthcare for the retiree and their spouse which is not offered in the private sector any longer outside of union collective bargaining.

Deo Vindice SC January 4, 2014 at 5:47 pm

We do have alot of Peanuts in SC !

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GrandTango January 4, 2014 at 6:19 pm

Liberals are willing to hate and kill their should-be brothers to put their filthy leftwing idols in office…

But it won’t work…Everybody knows that more Ds in office is a disaster. Just look at what Obama has done to the country….Lie to yourselves, but the rest of us know what a failure you are…

PS: We’re watching you RE: Boeing….Strangling jobs, will not kill your political enemies…just you…

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Deo Vindice SC January 4, 2014 at 6:22 pm

Are you a real person ? So, for you Iraq was a ” Must To Do List ” ? Have you read the recent news ?

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GrandTango January 5, 2014 at 4:02 pm

That you’re a F*@kin’ idiot????…I knew that before the media told us….

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dwb619 January 5, 2014 at 6:17 pm

You mean Bush’s failure to get Bin Laden?
Direct quote to Bush ” Bin Laden is not on my radar”.

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MashPotato January 6, 2014 at 12:29 am

Depends on your definition of real. He’s a paid shill. I don’t know who’s paying him, but he doesn’t fill the comment section with his feces for free.

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John Boy January 4, 2014 at 6:28 pm

I see another long Saturday night with your hand, Tango.

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GrandTango January 4, 2014 at 9:25 pm

Another Vapid, DUMB-@$$ America-Hating Liberal…too stupid to offer anything but cliché…

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John Boy January 4, 2014 at 11:55 pm

Ha! I’ll give you this, GT: You had an original (bad) thought once, then proceeded since 2008 to reinterate it 1,000 times (or more), thus, makes you the cliché. Hahaha, Dipshit!

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johnq January 5, 2014 at 9:55 pm

Well South Carolina is a disaster and no thanks to Democrats, that belongs to the party that has run the state for over 35 years now, repukes. How do you explain that?

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GrandTango January 6, 2014 at 6:06 am

SC is faring better than a lot of states in this disaster known as Obama. It’s the democrat pockets of SC that are in poverty, poorly achieving in education and wrought w/ social rot.

You democrats have F*#ked up everything you touch…and your voters are so ignorant, they keep electing you….

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Deo Vindice SC January 4, 2014 at 6:26 pm

Hey, Everybody, Let’s just go Conservitive Rapublican, and Attack the Planet !

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Deo Vindice SC January 4, 2014 at 6:32 pm

Nikki called, Tango, you are wanted to head her, ” I can get workers to work for $5.00 dollars per hour program ” With benifits, as much peanuts as you can eat !

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Deo Vindice SC January 4, 2014 at 8:24 pm

Marthra Childress, my Hero, Should be our Governor, not, A clothing salesman

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Native Ink January 4, 2014 at 9:56 pm

It’s probably Charleston’s gain in the long run. A huge Boeing expansion here would have ruined Charleston’s charm. Then in 30 years, Boeing would pack up and move away (like they’ve done in Wichita, Long Beach, and other places), and Charleston would be left with tens of thousands of cheap-ass houses with no workers to fill them and no quality of life left to attract new residents.

And you can take that to the bank…

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Smirks January 5, 2014 at 12:23 am

They terk er jerbs!

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CorruptionInColumbia January 5, 2014 at 6:20 am

Who cares? Nikki has those several thousands of minimum wage, part-time, Wal-Mart jobs coming for us. Nikki is our saviour!

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Ricky Naley January 5, 2014 at 11:02 am

Way to go Queen Haley all the jobs you promised……you are a total failure as Governor and have been since you took office. The failures are epic and I hope South Carolina puts you in the unemployment line with the other 18% of South Carolina.

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Ricky Naley January 5, 2014 at 11:08 am

COLUMBIA, S.C. (AP) – South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley touts that more than 40,000 jobs have been announced during her tenure, but no one can say how many of those planned jobs have become reality.

Many employers won’t fill those jobs for years. Some plans will simply fall through.

Commerce Secretary Bobby Hitt says announcements represent a jobs pipeline. Companies generally have five to seven years to fulfill their commitments, depending on the incentives contract they sign.

Haley’s office bragged Dec. 11 of surpassing 40,000 new jobs with 301 economic development projects.

As of Thursday – 11 announcements later – 312 projects have promised a combined 38,536 jobs since Haley took office. That’s according to a list from Commerce. The administration reached 40,000 by adding 4,000 jobs at Wal-Mart and 350 at Tanger Outlet.

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idiotwind January 5, 2014 at 11:12 am

but we have succeeded in our aim of using SC taxpayer money to lower standards of living for workers in Seattle. someday, everyone will live like us.

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Jobs, Jobs, Jobs January 5, 2014 at 1:40 pm

The biggest problem, according to the Financial Networks, is the lack of qualified workers and substandard work at the Charleston Plant. I worked with Governors Campbell, Beasley and Sanford with the Tech Schools, Commerce and Education Dept. to train workers and prepare them for jobs in Industry during their administrations.
My question is, why is Gov. Haley not being proactive and doing the same thing. I have seen little to no evidence of this during her administration.
I guess she is too busy and more focused on raising campaign funds, to keep her and her families jobs, than helping the State’s citizens get jobs of their own to support their families.
Just more incompetence and self serving actions from Gov. Haley?

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GrandTango January 5, 2014 at 5:21 pm

STFU you idiot….Obama (like so many times) is the demon here…if Charleston is substandard, and you played the part you say you did…it’s your F*#kin fault…so give the government checks back, that your stupid @$$ stole…you miserable F*#k up…people like you, who feed at the trough, then serve the failed Obama, are the BIG BIG problem….

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Tony January 5, 2014 at 5:41 pm

Stick to the topic of Gov. Haley…tootles!

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GrandTango January 5, 2014 at 5:45 pm

Boeing in SC has one major enemy..and it’s the leftwing Obama Adm.

These idiots try to deflect, because they are dishonest…they need the S*!t slapped out of them..Americans are suffering under this horrible president…to attack the victims will no longer be tolerated…it’s gone too far…

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Tony January 5, 2014 at 5:57 pm

Sounds speculative, you what to clairify that with more substance? In english and not whatever tattered language you’re writing in.

GrandTango January 5, 2014 at 6:36 pm

NLRB…dumb@$$…

SCBlueWoman January 5, 2014 at 5:57 pm

Have you seen your health care professional? Obamacare covers that. LOL! Dumbass.

SCBlueWoman January 5, 2014 at 5:58 pm

I also know that Obama’s administration provided funding to train SC workers to work at Boeing. Clueless damned rube.

Jobs, Jobs Jobs January 5, 2014 at 5:57 pm

Thanks for showing your immature, vulgar lack of brains GT.
I left when I saw how incompetent and what a liar Haley was. I wanted NOTHING to do with such an incompetent, unqualified failure.
Thanks again and please get off your drugs.
By the way, Obama is a failure just like Haley. Both are lost, in oveer their heads and have idiots for advisors.
You must be one of haley’s. Have a good day.
The truth does hurt and you must be in horrible pain. I guess that explains your obvious drug addiction.

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Tony January 5, 2014 at 5:59 pm

He needs to TAKE his drugs!

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dwb619 January 5, 2014 at 6:26 pm

LIVE BETTER!
WORK UNION!
I did for 42 years and retired at 58.
Construction electrician, IBEW.
Never on strike, missed one day to a picket line, never worked for the government.
Total pensions(self funded) $45 k year.
Social Security $21 k a year.
And $125 k ira (self funded)

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GrandTango January 5, 2014 at 6:35 pm

I bet you voted D all those years…too….Now you’re Sittin on your @$$ collecting a BIG check, while decent Americans cannot get a job because of your lord Obama’s failure..you ARE the F*#kin problem….

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Tony January 5, 2014 at 6:38 pm

Reagan was pro union, GT!

GrandTango January 5, 2014 at 6:43 pm

Why don’t you go ask PATCO about that, imbecile….

dwb619 January 5, 2014 at 6:47 pm

Ah, yes.
He was president of the Screen Actors Guild for several years.
Dick Chaney was a union line groundman out of one of the Wyoming locals for a few years.

GrandTango January 5, 2014 at 6:51 pm

Reagan denounced liberalism. He was once a D too..until he grew up and figured out what a face their policies are…
Again: he broke PATCO…he actually began the decline that unions have been in since…

dwb619 January 5, 2014 at 6:45 pm

Sure did!
You miss the part where I said my pensions and ira were self funded
Paid half of the Social Security myself.
I left out the part about taking a 15% deduction on my monthly , self funded pension, so the wife will draw 75% of pensions after my death until she dies.
Oh, almost forgot, since I am only 62, we still “SELF PAY” our U
local UNION health and welfare premium of $72 a month.

GrandTango January 5, 2014 at 6:54 pm

So you saved the money yourself…yet you support taking money from everybody else to fund Obama’s schemes…

You Greedy B@&tard…I’ll LMAO when Obama confiscates that big handout you pay yourself…and tells your GREEDY @$$ to GET F*#ked…

The pensions are collapsing..and the Greedy F*#ks like you are getting cleaned out to pay for ridiculous union handouts schemes……

dwb619 January 5, 2014 at 7:01 pm

Can you expound.
Or is your vocabulary to limited?

GrandTango January 5, 2014 at 7:08 pm

Look what the liberals in Greece are doing to the wealth…in other words…go educate yourself…Once it trickles down, you’ll $#!* all over yourself…
You’re like the Dumb@$$ liberals finding out about Obamacare…I do LMAO when it bites you idiots…you deserve it…good people don’t…

dwb619 January 5, 2014 at 7:11 pm

Don’t need ACA, if you noticed I stated I have my own insurance.

GrandTango January 5, 2014 at 7:20 pm

You’re LIKE them, dumb@$$…not understanding what Obama will do to your pension, after he’s spent up everything else…

You, especially if you’re white, and have anything more than an unemployment check, are on the list of Obama targets. His idiots voted for revenge as he told yall…too many of yall are too stupid to know….you’re NEXT……

Tony January 5, 2014 at 9:39 pm

What did Reagan say about Polish Unions for its workers?

GrandTango January 6, 2014 at 6:11 am

So you want to govern the US like Reagan may have suggested some solution for Communist Polish in the 80s…Dumb@$$…that proves nothing regarding your ignorant premise…

Reagan hated socialism and communism. Liberals disgusted him, so quit trying to tarnish his name to endorse the $#!* you’re ruining this country with…

Reagan was GREAT for America…Obama has been a complete and total failure…and he is opposite of Reagan.

Sailor January 6, 2014 at 10:30 am

You are trying to have an intelligent exchange with Grand Tango/Big T. You must realize by now that that is impossible!

dwb619 January 6, 2014 at 12:09 pm

It’s something to do on a cold day.

dwb619 January 5, 2014 at 7:07 pm

You even have a job?

Bonner January 6, 2014 at 11:16 am

Not many jobs out there for a grade 7 dropout with an IQ 0f 52 living in his sisters garage.

dwb619 January 6, 2014 at 12:10 pm

Lawn care?

CNSYD January 6, 2014 at 10:28 am

I suppose the Boeing Charleston workers are as unqualified as the Michelin SC workers or the BMW SC workers.

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Bill January 5, 2014 at 3:01 pm

I mean, what the heck are they thinking. Washington state? The land of people who, don’t hate unions; don’t seem to know gays, black people and Mexicans are destroying the country; pay out gobs of money for public education; and don’t give a shit who your great grandfather was.. Who the hell would want to live would work in a hell hole like that?

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Jan January 5, 2014 at 3:04 pm

Obviously this is Obama’s doing.

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GrandTango January 5, 2014 at 5:14 pm

Uou F*#kin idiots won’t even admit to O

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Pray The Gay Away January 5, 2014 at 5:30 pm

You think that hypocrite Aaron Schock (R) is still crusing those gay bars in Ill.? Typical GOP gay basher who, well, happens to be gay…Lol…

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GrandTango January 5, 2014 at 6:32 pm

He’s more one of yours…You say he deserves an extra tray of rights based on his sexual preference…Why do yall disavow your own when they get caught???..like the gay Sandusky or Gay pedophile priests…

Pray The Gay Away January 5, 2014 at 6:42 pm

If he’s a hypocrite and a Rebublican, I can call him out on being a tool. Lol!!

GrandTango January 5, 2014 at 7:15 pm

You’re the hypocrite. You tell us how Great gay is…then you D#mn this man for practicing the lifestyle you claim accords him an extra set of laws, based on sexual preference…

Is he anointed for being gay…or a disgrace????…you’re all over the road, dumb@$$…

Pray The Gay Away January 5, 2014 at 9:30 pm

No, shitstick! What part of this asshole saying his anti-gay and engages in homosexual behavior makes ME the hypocrite?

Really goddamn funny how fucking stupid you show yourself.

GrandTango January 5, 2014 at 5:12 pm

Let me fix it:

Washington State:voters in bed w/ corrupt union thugs, where they hate you if you’re white, Christian, hetero, moral or don’t voter Anti-America, like Obama…

Where jobs are doled out in discriminatory fashion to the privileged class of leftwing voters, especially black liberal or Hispanic La Raza….

Washington state, where they say: ‘F*#k you’ to the successful people who BUILD this country in favor of the hateful, like you, who fail and tear it down…

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Rock-A-Feller January 5, 2014 at 5:37 pm

Apperently, the abuse of non-union workers in SC is a much better way to help out rednecks that can’t build a plane? Got it!

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GrandTango January 5, 2014 at 6:39 pm

What did you do to GM…you F*%kin dumb!##????

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dwb619 January 5, 2014 at 6:55 pm

Don’t about him, but we have a 2001 Silverado 2500 HD to pull the fifth wheel, the wifes ride is a 2012 Tahoe LT, and i just bought a 2014 Silverado to replace my 1988 K5 Blazer (which I gave to my grandson) for a daily driver.
All assembled in the USA by AMERICANS, Michigan, Indiana, and Texas.

GrandTango January 5, 2014 at 6:57 pm

Were they built while you union thugs were bankrupting GM???

dwb619 January 5, 2014 at 7:05 pm

Already told you, I made my comfortable living and secure retirement in construction.

GrandTango January 5, 2014 at 7:11 pm

So you got yours..and you’re fine w/ greedy liberals and unions robbing everybody else blind…as long as you can sit on your @$$ and dole out freebies to your grandson, and turn him into a lazy @$$ system feeder, like you…

Looks like it’s who you’re related to that puts you easy street in your klan…not hard work…

dwb619 January 5, 2014 at 7:18 pm

Well he’s only fifteen, volunteer fireman, certified first responder, straight A student athlete.
So I guess he is.
Only took me 38 years of every day laziness, never having a paid vacation, or paid holidays to get where I can be a lazy ass system feeder.

GrandTango January 5, 2014 at 7:23 pm

So why are you giving him handouts???…sounds like he’s a HAVE, on the list of the privileged….Why are you not giving that truck to those who NEED it…not some connected, lily white silver spoon???…That’s what YOU VOTE FOR AND PREACH TO US…

dwb619 January 5, 2014 at 7:28 pm

BECAUSE HE IS MY GRANDSON!
YOU JEALOUS OR WHAT?

GrandTango January 5, 2014 at 7:31 pm

So you, Obama and the unions can piously demand I give my earnings to fund your sloth and waste…but you get to keep what you’ve scammed and give it to your pampered, spoiled brats????…what a bunch of greedy hypocrites…

dwb619 January 5, 2014 at 7:36 pm

Can you be specific?

GrandTango January 5, 2014 at 7:42 pm

LMAO…you play the Dumb@$$ (or are you really that stupid?) after I spell it out for you…so typical. liberal..

dwb619 January 5, 2014 at 7:48 pm

You haven’t spelled out anything!

GrandTango January 5, 2014 at 7:56 pm

You are a Greedy HAVE. You don’t work and collect a big check. You take wealth you exploited the poor to hoard, and give it to a child, who does not contribute, while needy adults go without…

You are a PIG…no wonder you’re playing stupid…Being ignorant instead of admitting your greed and hate for the poor…

dwb619 January 5, 2014 at 8:01 pm

Well thank you, that is the first time anyone has ever called this blue collar, construction electrician a HAVE!

GrandTango January 5, 2014 at 8:10 pm

I’m just educating you in the beliefs of the people you voted into office..

i will say, you are rather uninformed for a person who has done so well…You need to get down on your knees and thank Conservatives for providing a system that lets people of your limited intellect and knowledge achieve so much…

It would be only fitting if Obama did take Everything you have and your grandson had to grow up in an Obama economy w/o the good ol boy preferential treatment, people like you have secured for yourselves…

SCBlueWoman January 5, 2014 at 8:35 pm

GT, you are a clueless angry old white man. It must suck to be you. Bless your damned clueless black heart. FU, also.

dwb619 January 5, 2014 at 8:42 pm

But he can be entertaining!
Still wonder if he(she?) even has a job, a pot to piss in, or a window to throw it out of?
Last sentence is a tribute to my roots along the banks of the Reedy River.

GrandTango January 5, 2014 at 8:57 pm

Au contraire: I am a rather young father, who is VERY happily married. I have a wonderful life…

Because of my blessings through struggles, I fight w/ all I have against a Filthy Liberal president, who has never worked, bashed white people, and told his hateful robots to vote for “REVENGE.”

I am also disgusted by people like dwb, who have prospered, but voted for Ds, who hate moral Americans, and bring suffering to those not like them (as Obama is doing)…

SCBlueWoman January 5, 2014 at 9:19 pm

Well, if you are young, god bless you. Referring to liberals as filth tells be you are a bigoted, racist prick. That is how I will refer to you from this point forward. I feel sorry for your wife, if you have one. I’m a wealthy white woman of 60 plus. Own my own business, paid for, and happy to have someone like BHO in the White House. But, then, I’m not an ignorant, racist asshat like many who post on here.

Crosby, Stills, Nash, & Young January 6, 2014 at 3:53 pm

Young father? You’re in you sixties old man! …living off Mediciad to boot!

SCBlues January 5, 2014 at 9:17 pm

I loved the “FU, also” – gave me my best laugh of the day!

dwb619 January 5, 2014 at 8:40 pm

Alas, I shall yield to superior intellect.
Have enough wood in to last a few days and Downton Abbey starts at 9:00.
One last question, can you tell me how to avoid the blight and wilt in my tomatoes?
TATA!
YOU BETCHA!
YOU BETCHA!

Ben_Kinlaw January 6, 2014 at 9:53 am

Excerpts are from the WSJ published on 1/04/2014 regarding the largest union voting to accept accept a new contract that will keep the aerospace giant heavily unionized for years to come and avoid a risky move to expand jetliner manufacturing further outside its base in Washington state. http://on.wsj.com/1cvxHfs

The vote secures Washington state’s aerospace cluster, anchored by Boeing which employs more than 82,000 here, including an estimated 12,100 full-time employees that build the 777 today.

“I don’t think you can overstate its ramifications,” said Governor Jay Inslee of winning the 777X. Mr. Inslee led the legislative push in November to pass an $8.7 billion tax-incentive package for Boeing, the largest of its kind in U.S. history.
Boeing is executing their plan that increases share holder value, and position them to compete with Air Bus, a gov’t backed entity.

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SJWick January 6, 2014 at 2:38 pm

Here is what is funny about all of this. Washington nor the union really had to give up anything. Why…because the new 777x largest buyer is an Arab airline that specifically told Boeing that given the problems they had with the Dreamliner, they would prefer the 777x they were ordering be built in one production and assembly plant. The only plant that meet that requirement was Seattle. Basically, if Boeing didn’t build the plan in Seattle the Arabs would have pulled the deal…no way Boeing would have let that happen. That is the reason they went back to the union for another shot.

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Ben_Kinlaw January 7, 2014 at 10:35 am

Twenty-two states offered 54 sites for Boeing to evaluate in hopes of winning a high-value aerospace jobs.

A senior executive for Boeing stated they had not ruled out moving manufacturing of all or part of its new 777X aircraft to the Middle East after American labour unions rejected the terms of a new contract to build the aircraft at its base in Seattle.

Boeing stated the ultracompetitive world of selling jetliners requires it to cut cost of developing and building the 777X. “The airplanes we are selling today are at a significant relative price discounts compared to those in the past,” Alan May, Boeing VP of HR for the commercial unit.

In its push to shave costs, Boeing secured $8.7 billion in tax incentives from Washington state, a 16-year extension of sweeteners first passed in 2003 for the Dreamliner that was set to expire in 2024. The package is the largest of its kind in U.S. history.

Rival Airbus NV has taken direct aim at Boeing’s 777 market share, winning orders for its A350 jet from once stalwart Boeing customers like Japan Airlines Co. http://on.wsj.com/KvmvJB

Qatar Airways and Emirates Airline said they joined forces to negotiate with Boeing for almost $100 billion in deals they signed for the new 777X passenger jet, a first for the carriers that further underscores the shift in power in the aviation industry to the Middle East. http://on.wsj.com/KvjpVK

The huge order from the two Gulf carriers isn’t a big surprise, as the 777X designers were thinking about the region from the beginning. While the 1966 launch of the Boeing 747 was done in partnership with then-ascendant Pan American Airways, and the 2004 Dreamliner was made with Japanese and Chinese airlines in mind, the 777X was always looking to the Middle East. http://on.wsj.com/1gdF7YU

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SJWick January 7, 2014 at 11:59 am

Ben is right..the Arab airlines were the target market for the 777x so you can imagine Boeing’s surprise when the largest buyer decided to have some input on where the plane was built. When I read the interview with the VP Qatar Airways stating they prefer the plane to be built and assembled in one location, They were not pleased with the Dreamliner and wanted Boeing to return to their previous production model. I knew then the plane would be built in Seattle and Boeing would have to find a way to make it work. I have to hand it to Boeing…going to the National Union to force the local to reconsider…that was a big move but they did sweeten the deal by raising wages significantly and basically promising to keep production at a union facility until 2040…

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C January 6, 2014 at 12:53 pm

For the record, I just got an email from the career placement dept. at the tech school I attend (Part 147 Aviation maintenance school) regarding interviews/assessments Boeing is holding for 150 jobs that start at $23.00 an hour in S.C. which wouldn’t be there if Boeing had not been given the incentive to put their plant there. Also the 787 is not wholly built in any one place. Boeing has modified 747’s they use to carry the various sections of the airframe that are manufactured all over the world to be assembled at their facilities.

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CNSYD January 6, 2014 at 1:24 pm

There you go with facts! Sic Willie and his posse don’t need or want any facts!

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SJWick January 6, 2014 at 2:35 pm

The new machinists contract in Seattle…they had to concede on pensions but Boeing agreed to accelerate their salary scale…give everyone a $5,000.00 raise and a $5,000.00 bonus to new hires. The new pay scale pushes most of the workers over six figures a year…$100,000.00. Now they are paying union wages twice as much in Seattle as in SC and they still got the deal. What is wrong with that picture. And by the way…anyone making six figures should be able to save for their own retirement.

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SJWick January 6, 2014 at 2:42 pm

Boeing had no choice but to build the planes in Seattle…the largest customer…and Arab airline buying 170 planes told Boeing they want the plane manufactured and assembled in one location…the only location that met that criteria was Seattle. The buyer gets what he wants when he is paying the bill…why else do you think Boeing went back to the union with another deal…which by the way was a significant increase in wages.

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Discouraged January 7, 2014 at 6:51 pm

Wow. Such reasoned discussion and debate. If only our elected officials acted like we the people, all would be well. Maybe we’re getting just what we deserve.

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Ben_Kinlaw January 8, 2014 at 5:58 pm

In Tuesday’s edition of the WSJ, the article; “Boeing’s Key Mission: Cut Dreamliner Cost.” Additionally WSJ had reported Boeing says the ultracompetitive world of selling jetliners requires it to cut the cost of developing and building the 777X.

Boeing’s VP of HR for the commercial unit, Alan May had stated; “The airplane we are selling today are at significant relative price discounts compared to those in the past.”

Boeing has a fiduciary responsibility to their shareholders to increase share holder value. One of the paradigm shifts that has occurred in the 20th century and continues in the 21st century is the way the free market values social networks such as Facebook, and manufactures as Boeing.

As Boeing works toward increasing the value of the company, today’s market value is $105.8B and Facebook market value is $142.9B or 35% more. Boeing manufacturers jetliners, a defense contractor and aerospace supplier. They are a multinational corporation founded by William Boeing and serving the U.S. since supplying planes in 1917 to the Navy.

Boeing has a challenge competing with tech companies, and realizes their responsibility in driving shareholder value. Airbus, Boeing’s chief competitor receives support from European countries. Airbus has announced detailed plans to spend $600 million to build jetliners in Alabama, its first assembly plant in the U.S. in a bid to grab more American orders from Boeing.

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