“Stand Down”

SEISMIC REVELATION ABOUT BENGHAZI TERRORIST ATTACK GOES LARGELY UNREPORTED Three decades ago, a scandal like this would have been the end of an administration. Think about it: Four Americans (including a U.S. Ambassador) were murdered by terrorists in Benghazi, Libya as an American President watched in a secure room halfway around…


Three decades ago, a scandal like this would have been the end of an administration.

Think about it: Four Americans (including a U.S. Ambassador) were murdered by terrorists in Benghazi, Libya as an American President watched in a secure room halfway around the world – refusing to provide help.

Here are the seismic lead excerpts from the bombshell story published last Friday by Fox News’ correspondent Jennifer Griffin …

(A)n urgent request from the CIA annex for military back-up during the attack on the U.S. consulate and subsequent attack several hours later on the annex itself was denied by the CIA chain of command — who also told the CIA operators twice to “stand down” rather than help the ambassador’s team when shots were heard at approximately 9:40 p.m. in Benghazi on Sept. 11.

Former Navy SEAL Tyrone Woods was part of a small team who was at the CIA annex about a mile from the U.S. consulate where Ambassador Chris Stevens and his team came under attack. When he and others heard the shots fired, they informed their higher-ups at the annex to tell them what they were hearing and requested permission to go to the consulate and help out. They were told to “stand down,” according to sources familiar with the exchange. Soon after, they were again told to “stand down.”

Where could such orders to “stand down” have originated?  Only from the White House situation room, where U.S. President Barack Obama is alleged to have been watching the disaster unfold.

“According to my sources, yes, [Obama] was one of those in the White House Situation Room in real-time watching this,” retired U.S. Army  Lt. Col. Tony Shaffer said last week.

Amazing …

Of course every bit as galling as the “stand down” orders allegedly transmitted to our operatives and soliders in Libya are the “stand down” orders that reporters across the country are apparently receiving from their news editors this week.

Sure, we understand there’s a rare late October hurricane bearing down on the Middle Atlantic region of the country … but when we scoured the front page of Google News on Monday morning there was not a single link mentioning the Benghazi scandal.

Seriously … not one (and we scrolled all the way down to the bottom of the page just to be sure …)

Crazy …

“The Ministry of Propaganda – a.k.a. the mainstream media – simply refuses to report on the story,” one limited government advocate told FITS. “As more and more comes out it is now clear that Obama knew at the time of the attack and BEFORE Ambassador Stevens was dead that there were pleas for help that went unanswered – and that as our people were being butchered the tyrant went to sleep so he could catch his flight in the morning for the Las Vegas fundraiser.”

“These are all provable facts – and nobody will tell the story,” the advocate added.

This website doesn’t support American interventionism abroad, but when our citizens are in imminent danger of being slaughtered there is absolutely no excuse for “standing down.”  No matter what else is going on in the world this story should be blowing up right now … and the fact that it isn’t represents another black eye for the “integrity” of our nation’s fourth estate.

Assuming you thought the fourth estate had any integrity left, that is …


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Andy October 29, 2012 at 8:54 am

If this was happening during the Bush/Cheney/Rummy regime it would be dismissed under the “fog of war” excuse. Bang the drum, fits.

Rastus October 29, 2012 at 10:31 am

You are out of your mind!

south mauldin October 29, 2012 at 10:31 am

Yep. Bush and Cheney skate through the Iraq War and Obama will not get reelected due to this. Bullshit.

scmajor October 29, 2012 at 9:01 am

Fox News meme + Fox News “reporters” + Fox News agenda= Politically slanted partisan political propaganda.

No mystery why reputable news organizations are not carrying this.

It’s bullshit and it is damaging to our country.

It’s all about the election not our countries security as far as the gop and Fox News is concerned.

Frank Pytel October 29, 2012 at 9:09 am

If its BS, its not damaging. If its damaging its not BS.

I think your confused, private.

Have a Great Day!! :0

Frank Pytel

Jan October 29, 2012 at 10:11 am

Propaganda and lies can be both untrue and damaging. Happens all the time. That is why people lie.

Rastus October 29, 2012 at 10:32 am

This is another Waco,USS Cole, Mogadishu decision!

Frank Pytel October 29, 2012 at 10:48 am


Propaganda and lies “can” be untrue. I don’t think so. They are both untrue by virtue of their respective definitions. Lies are never damaging to the one being lied about, only the liar is damaged.

I agree that people try to inflict damage by lying, but that does not automatically accomplish anything, and I believe 99% of the time, will come back to haunt the liar. Unless they are both liars, in which case no one of consequence will listen.

Have a Great Day!! :)

Frank Pytel

toyota kawaski October 29, 2012 at 4:19 pm

take a bath u stinking Engine

Frank Pytel October 30, 2012 at 3:48 am

Oh shit TATA. Your not off your game. You never opened the damn box. Engine?? WTF is that BS??

BBBbbwwwahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahhah ROTFLMAO, MANY TIMES!!!!!!!!


All right TATA NANO. Lets try that again. Engine is original (snicker) but WTH does it mean??


Have A Great Day!! :)


Frank Pytel

food October 29, 2012 at 9:21 am

Bush would have been impeached if this tragedy had occurred under his watch in this manner.

I wonder who in the situation room ordered our assets to stand down.

Axelrod, probably.

Can’t imagine a POTUS denying help to an ambassador screaming for assistance x 7 hours…truly Hillary was right about that 3 am phone call…

Jan October 29, 2012 at 10:12 am

What BS. You obviously stay up all night listening to Faux and Rush. Bush and Cheney would have used this as an excuse to invade Iran.

Isotope Soap October 29, 2012 at 11:39 am

Bush and Cheney did far worse.

Frank Pytel October 30, 2012 at 3:51 am

Food, Jan and Isotope.

Bushey would not have been impeached for this. Niether will Oshitforbrains.

While y’all still have a little gumption, maybe you should put some of that passion toward learning the realities of the world. Republicrats and Demlicans alike are the scum of the earth. No one is better or worse than the other.

They all stand on one vote/ideal to get your attention. If that does grab ya, wait a week. They’ll change their tune.

Have a Great Day!! :)

Frank Pytel

Isotope Soap October 30, 2012 at 10:23 am

Frank, if you don’t think that I feel angry about Obama and his use of drones, NDAA, etc…you’re sadly mistaken. I tend to shy from writting a whole essay on this site, but what I was trying to point out is the hypocrisy of the right by making this such an issue. You go and have a good day.

Isotope Soap October 30, 2012 at 10:45 am

“Republicrats and Demlicans alike are the scum of the earth.”

Politicians are nasty, but the far right with their stances on rape and what their “God” wants can go fuck themselves.

Frank Pytel October 30, 2012 at 12:56 pm

The far right could give a rats ass about those things. I don’t want to shove God down your neck, and we don’t run around saying rape is Gods will. Republicrats that are Christians at 9 am on Sunday say that crap.

This isn’t the hypocrisy of the right. Its the hypocrisy of the lying politicians on both sides of the isle. You’ll agree with me soon enough. You just need to be a little more jaded than you are. You still have ideals. Soon enough you’ll find that no politician shares your ideals, other than to try to convince you they’re something they’re not.

Have a Great Day1! :0

Frank Pytel

Robert October 29, 2012 at 9:27 am

A tragic event for these 4 people, but I just don’t see the deep conspiracy here. Screwed up preparedness? yes.

It is a mess over there and no one has answers.

Here is a question…had more support been sent. Let’s say 12 more. And all 16 were killed. What would be the feeling? And I’m not pardoning the admin on this. AGain, I think they screwed up preparedness.

But the way this is being painted by Fox and other conservatives is merely election smoke. It will fade just like Fast & Furious.

Rastus October 29, 2012 at 10:35 am

Answer it this way,why were our people there if it is like you say? Why did Obama send our planes over there to bomb Libya without consent of Congress if it is as you say? Why was Hillary Clinton out praising Gadaffi during the summer if it as you say? Fact is all of this fire in the Middle East came about because of Obama’s policies.

Robert October 29, 2012 at 11:48 am

BS on the policy thing….you can’t have it both ways….one day he doesn’t do enough, the next he is intervening too much.

NO ONE has a answer for this region. And I agree that it was risky to have an embassy in Libya, or any other volatile area. But it is what those people in goverment do. I wouldn’t go near that area of the world unless you paid me millions up front.

vicupstate October 29, 2012 at 11:51 am


Yeah, the Midlle East was a tranquil utopia and a paragon of human rights, before Obama.

Gimme a break.

Fox News is the propagada arm of the GOP.

In time, the full facts will emerge, but don’t expect Fox News to be unbiased EVER, let alone 1.5 weeks from an election.

Smirks October 29, 2012 at 9:33 am

“The Ministry of Propaganda – a.k.a. the mainstream media – simply refuses to report on the story,” one limited government advocate told FITS.

It’s pretty funny when FITS posts someone bitching about bias in the mainstream media when he posts links from Fox News and The Blaze.

Fox News and Glenn Beck are eager to jump on any and every single lead they get on Benghazi even though they and Romney are responsible for the Benghazi story fatigue going on. Fox News is responsible because they can’t fucking shut up about it, they drone on and on about it and are making the story old news (Protip: News is about ratings, not journalism!). The fact that Romney got smacked in the second debate when bringing it up, and didn’t bring it up much at all during the third debate (which was a debate focused on foreign policy of all things), really doesn’t help either.

Oh, but why oh why didn’t the MSM pick up on this? Oh, wait. They did.

On the night of the attack, a team of American military commandos were sent from Europe to an airfield at Sigonella, in Sicily, Italy, putting them at least an hour’s flight away from Benghazi.

The team, known as the Commander’s In-extremis Force, was designed specifically for quick reaction to unforeseen emergencies. But U.S. officials say it did not arrive in Sicily until after the attack was over.

Even if the team had been ready in time, confusion about what was happening on the ground in Benghazi — and State Department concerns about violating Libyan sovereignty — made a military rescue mission impractical, officials say.


What a crock of shit. Unless the CIA has a time machine, what would it matter to fly a CIA team at least an hour away to an attack site that is already finished?

Smirks October 29, 2012 at 9:45 am

The only real questionable thing is not sending in the group that was near the embassy, but without details, there’s no telling how effective the group they had on the ground would have been. Without backup, they may have not been able to overtake the attackers.

fitsnews Author October 29, 2012 at 11:32 am

This website rarely if ever cites Fox or The Blaze. We’re not fans of either outlet … just as we’re not fans of MSNBC or “The Times.”

This is a serious allegation, though, and one that we believe deserves far more attention than it has received in the MSM.


BigT October 29, 2012 at 1:12 pm

FITS may not be a fan of MSNBC or “The Times….but you better bet they are a fan of FITS…

Yall move toward the same goal…

Libertas October 29, 2012 at 1:35 pm

You’re dreaming Smirks, lost in a delusional haze like all demented libs. By the way: do you work for a living? Do you have a job that enables you to comment on every single FITS post, everyday, every week, month after month? Did you get lost on the way to the HuffPo or Daily Kos? Isn’t there a leftist website more suited to your leanings, I mean why are you on here every fucking day making leftist comments on a decidedly libertarian leaning blog? are you paid to do this, or do you think it’s somehow your job to stink up the place with the smell of liberal?

Smirks October 29, 2012 at 4:08 pm

Libertas, it sounds like what you’re complaining about is that someone would have the audacity to come here and post dissenting viewpoints. There there, you’ll be OK.

Frank Pytel October 30, 2012 at 3:56 am


I really want to understand you. Your baggin Fox directly. Cool. I learned along time ago they are just libtards on the other side of the isle. Not fond of Lib-baugh, Snortz, Pannity or the rest.

Am I understanding your last (original post) paragraph, preceeding the article quote, that you are now bagging on ALL media? Your admitting they are all scumbags (with the exclusion of FITS of course :-))?

Just curious.

Have a Great Day!! :)

Frank Pytel

food October 29, 2012 at 9:36 am

The families appear to have forgiven those decision makers who chose to allow the ambassador and the Seals to die.

However, as an American citizen, I am outraged that the Administration lied to us all from the start, blaming the “video” when clearly the video had absolutely nothing to do with this terrorist attack.

mph October 29, 2012 at 9:52 am

Um, there was a something like this 30 years ago – the Beirut bombing that killed almost 300 marines. The sentries were ordered to have no loaded magazines and not to have rounds chambered.

Reagan won reelection, even after this tragedy. It was likely planned by Iran, the same country that Reagan sold weapons. He also withdrew from Lebanon. Guess he’s a giant pussy, too.

Jesus fits is full of shit.

And “food” the Bush Administration had a planned 9/11 hijacker in custody and failed to get a warrant for his laptop. They also failed to appreciate such vague warnings as “Bin Laden determined to strike in US.”

This shit looks like pure amateur hour by the State Dept. But if you dumb fucks buy what Fox is selling you’re dumber than I thought. The release of these documents, while also questionable on a national security level, is pure politics. Cynical politics.

Smirks October 29, 2012 at 10:05 am

The sentries were ordered to have no loaded magazines and not to have rounds chambered.

WTF? That’s almost as bad as Stephen Spielberg photoshopping the guns out of E.T. and replacing them with walkie talkies. What were they supposed to do if attacked, throw their guns at the enemies?

leo October 29, 2012 at 10:18 am

um…there was nothing quite like this 30 years ago…there are reports that POTUS was watching drone feed real-time in the Situation Room…there are reports that POTUS repeatedly denied frantic calls for assitance…incompetence and unpreparedness is one thing, but to deny repeatedly life-saving help to your own Ambassador and his staff is simply un-American…I guarantee you that Ronald Reagan would not have listened to 7 hours of cries for help without sending in the Marines…what kind of POTUS is willing to sacrifice his own ambassador and his ambassador’s staff needlessly?

Robert October 29, 2012 at 11:49 am

Why did Reagan force the Marines in Lebanon to go around unloaded prior to the bombing of the barracks?

ConfederateLiberal October 29, 2012 at 12:06 pm

Facts are funny things aren’t they particularly with people with selective but ieologically based biases. Glad you pointed out what really happened thirty years ago.

leo October 29, 2012 at 1:48 pm

I don’t recall Reagan lying about the barracks bombing.

Unlike Reagan, the Obama Administration has lied repeatedly about the Libyan tragedy.

It’s usually the cover-up which nails corrupt and deceitful pols.

This Libya Scandal is much, much bigger than Watergate.

Who died in Watergate??

Old Bike Dude October 29, 2012 at 6:05 pm

Made the same response to a friend earlier today. The anniversary of the Beirut blast was just last week. Reagan had no clue what was going on in Bierut. He had military commanders for that. He stood and cried like a baby when those coffins were unloaded. We felt sorry for him. It wasn’t a movie set it was real. Good thing he didn’t have to see the remains in those boxes. He was not held responsible. There were others who would answer. But he was an old white republican. Obama is a young black democrat.

ross October 29, 2012 at 9:58 am

mph–have you forgotten that Clinton “let” OBL walk on at least three different occasions prior to 9/11…

Incidentally, Nixon was impeached for far less…It’s always the cover-up which gets ya’…

I’m not aware of any historical precedent where an Administration watched (real-time) a 7 hour assault on its ambassador and repeatedly denied frantic calls for assistance…absolutely un-American!

L I'll Be October 29, 2012 at 10:23 am

Try this perspective:


For those who never served……intel and getting assets in place just does not happen in a matter of hours.

Old Bike Dude October 29, 2012 at 6:07 pm

No shit. Biggest bullshit story from fux news to date.

Saratay October 29, 2012 at 10:31 am

“No matter what else is going on in the world this story should be blowing up right now … and the fact that it isn’t represents another black eye for the “integrity” of our nation’s fourth estate.

Assuming you thought the fourth estate had any integrity left, that is …”

Some of us have never thought that the fourth estate EVER had any integrity. I have always thought that the “Fourth Estate” was the exact equivalent of the “Fifth Column”.

BigT October 29, 2012 at 10:43 am

Two Americas:

democrats can do anything they want, and it’s defended by a corrupt media…

Yet you can go to jail for being a Conservative (see Scooter Libby.)

It’s NAZI Germany w/ Liberals calling the shots and persecuting those they HATE…

PS: Why is FITS so punch Drunk on this Gargantuan scandal? I think he answers his own charge.

Smirks October 29, 2012 at 11:14 am

Yet you can go to jail for being a Conservative (see Scooter Libby.)

Yup, they just jail people for being conservatives. The FBI botched its attempt to raid the RNC to arrest thousands of conservatives in a sting operation. Masterminds like Karl Rove are at the top of the most wanted list.

Great job bringing up Nazis again. Why is no one else making this connection!? Sarah Palin is like Anne Frank except ten times more courageous. Sure, Obama may be behind on exterminating the Jews by about 6 million, but the principles are the same!

Isotope Soap October 29, 2012 at 12:00 pm

T. Two Americas: North America, South America. You wouldn’t know this because it’s a fact?

? October 29, 2012 at 11:09 am

Clearly more drone strikes is the solution to our problems.

Well, that and backing more tertiary militants to overthrow regimes we don’t like.

We need to more effectively subjugate the general populace surrounding our stations around the world so that we can bring more peace.

As Palpatine said, “In order to ensure our security and continuing stability, the Republic will be reorganized into the first Galactic Empire, for a safe and secure society which I assure you will last for ten thousand years.”

mph October 29, 2012 at 11:16 am

Lt. Col Shaffer goes on Fox “News” and reports he had has sources that knew the President was watching the attack. It’s then linked to on The Blaze, a site run by renowned foreign policy expert and bat-shit crazy Glenn Beck.

Sounds definitive.

I’m not sure what the excuse for not having Marines on site is, but I doubt the POTUS probably decides the troop strength at each embassy. I do agree it looks like he was trying to cover his ass. But I’m equally sure that Fox News and Mitt Romney don’t care who got killed and why.

This is electoral politics as evidenced by the fact Mittens ran out to the press to capitalize on the event without bothering to know the actual facts on the ground. What a piece of work.

leo October 29, 2012 at 11:22 am

I trust LT. COL. SHAFFER more than I trust David Axelrod…don’t you?

ConfederateLiberal October 29, 2012 at 12:07 pm


Lawn Sharts October 29, 2012 at 11:33 am

curious no conspiracy theorists are inquiring as to the possibility of this being an inside job? you can scramble a drone, but you can’t scramble heavy assets? why the orders to stand-down? it’s being reported in the UK that Amb. Stevens was assisting movement of U.S. weapons caches from Libya to freedom fighters in Syria. were the Feds covering tracks?

certainly not propagating those ideas – but O certainly has shown his willingness to assassinate folks on foreign soil.

Libertas October 29, 2012 at 1:29 pm

Perhaps he was assassinated for weapons dealings, for selling security secrets, seems there would have been a more discreet way of getting that job done if that was the case, that did not involve others and cause an international embarrassment. This warn’t no plutonium sushi.

Lawn Sharts October 29, 2012 at 3:07 pm

plutonium sushi – solid. one thing’s for certain, the Russians aren’t worried about election year “optics”.

O really cooked this one, weighing-in on Libyan governance and propping-up some really greasy people in the process. his insistence that there were never boots on the ground is laughable – arguably, deceitful. could be as simple as blowback for perceived American manipulation of their affairs. regardless, this one belongs to Barry.


mph October 29, 2012 at 12:07 pm

Lawn, please let us know what you think about the moon landing.

And Leo, I don’t know anything about Shaffer or the veracity of his sources.

I haven’t got a clue what David Axelrod has to do with this. He works on the campaign. I kinda doubt they bring him in on discussions on security levels in Libya. And I’m not sure what political advantage they would get from having American embassy personnel be murdered.

I guess there’s a conspiracy to explain everything.

junior justice October 29, 2012 at 12:17 pm

It’s a conspiracy to hide another conspiracy which hides the ‘REAL CONSPIRACY”

junior justice October 29, 2012 at 12:24 pm

My handlers have informed me to make the following statement before your inquiries start coming in:

The ‘REAL CONSPIRACY’ is BO’s secret agenda for his 2nd term.

Lawn Sharts October 29, 2012 at 12:37 pm

mph, a little reading comprehension on your part may be required… point being, this is the kind of story that is teed-up for the infowars, et al. crowd.

when the “most transparent administration ever” stumbles all over itself masking the story, they invite scrutiny both legitimate and half-cocked.

mph October 29, 2012 at 12:48 pm

A lot of reading comprehension is required to decipher your posts. I’ll do myself a favor and not try.

Junior, there’s a documentary about his secret agenda: Obama 2016. Real hard hitting stuff.

In any event, if you understood the nature of our democracy and the mechanics of our constitution, you’d understand that he isn’t capable of acting on some “secret (anti-capitalism, anti-American, Kenyan, Muslim) agenda, because we have a divided gov’t. Maybe he’ll finally get around to opening those FEMA slave camps Beck used to talk about. Otherwise, he’ll have to bargain with the Republicans and given his shitty negotiating skills, they should get about 90% of what they want.

Andrew October 29, 2012 at 1:05 pm

Iranians terrorists murdered nearly 300 US Marines and a good many French soldiers in Beirut in 1983.

Guards of the baracks were unarmed. They were ordered to not be armed.

Reagan responds by saying this won’t stand.

A few MONTHS later, a battleship lobs shells at some villages, indiscriminately, killing some civilians who had nothing to do with the bombing.

Then we withdraw totally from Lebanon, and do nothing else. We cut and run. There is no other explanation for it.

Granted, we shouldn’t have been in Lebanon, acting as a referee in a Civil War anyhow.

Reagan wins 49 states 13 months after the worst peace time military disaster in years.

No Reagan worshiper ever brings this up.


leo October 29, 2012 at 1:14 pm

Did RR watch the terrorists as they drove through the barricades in real time? NO.

Dontcha think RR would’ve done something in his power to stop the bombing if he had the capability to do so while the events were unfolding (especially if had the capability to stop it)?

U becha!

Obama, according to some media reports, was aware of the unfolding events in Libya but intentionally decided to leave the Ambassador and the Seals to die, despite numerous pleas for help.

Disturbing if true.

Andrew October 29, 2012 at 1:50 pm


I have no idea what Reagan would have done had instant video streaming internet drone technology been available in 1983. Neither do you.

I can’t play counter factual very well.

What I know is that 300 US Marines died, perhaps due largely to negligence, and the US administration did nothing, and paid no political cost for it. And cut and run. The US electorate had 1 year to make up their minds and decide what effect this should have on the ’84 election. It had none.

We go and on about what price politicians would pay for bungling and the answer is largely nothing.

Watergate occurred in June of ’72. Nixon has a ‘secret plan’ to solve Vietnam, that does not much but get a lot of people, including civilians killed. Five months later Nixon wins a land slide reelect.

Gulf of Tonkin incident happens and Johnson wins a landslide.

Khobar Towers get bombed in the summer of 1996, 19 die and hundreds injured, many for life. Clinton easily wins reelection.

Iraq occupation is badly bungled by Bush. He wins reelection.

No one cares … at all.

Libertas October 29, 2012 at 1:08 pm

Complete dereliction of duty on the part of the president, watching it happen in real time and denying not one but three requests, as well as requests leading up to the attack for more security, even as the British and the red cross pulled out due to the danger. He went to bed that night, as Americans were being slaughtered. The four Americans were allowed to be killed. And then the pres. goes to Vegas the next day, when he should have kept his ass in the White House doing the work of president. There has been and will be no retaliation, no justice. There was a time, before this current president, when terrorist training camps throughout Libya would have been strafed after an attack on a U.S. diplomatic mission–instead, he simply removed the head of Africom. While there is a mainstream news black-out–face it, there could be 80% unemployment and mushroom clouds over NY and LA and total financial collapse of the nation, and liberals would still be saying what a great job he is doing–in spite of the blackout, the internet is afire with the truth. Fox news has done a two part series on the timeline of Bhengazi, including the five tv appearances led by Susan Rice lying about it being caused by a video, Jay Carney lying day after day when the real events were right out there for the world to see, and then of course there’s the family members telling the media and us what the reaction of the pres. was, like a cold fish because he doesn’t care about the individuals in the Pentagon, the CIA, the State Dept., and also Hilary telling one of the father’s that they’d arrest and charge the guy who made the video, under what charges remains to be seen, but it is shocking that she would lie like that, that she thinks we no longer have freedom of speech. Then there’s the shameless ass-kissing of the muslamics about insulting their prophet nonsense. Never have I see such bald-faced lies. This alone should be reason to forcibly remove him from the building. But how could he have known–he only attended 43.8% of his daily intel briefings, he could care less about actually doing the job he was hired to do.

BigT October 29, 2012 at 1:16 pm

The fact that Obama is still in the presidential race after that Enormous Libyan Scandal..is a testament to the power of the Corrupt and Eastblihment media (which FITS is just as guilty of being)….

Libertas October 29, 2012 at 1:25 pm

And the message to the muslim terrorists: you can attack us and we not only will not respond while it is happening to stop you, but we won’t do anything afterward either. Obama has done everything in his power to usher in the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, in Libya, in Tunisia, if Syria falls, if Iraq reverts in the vacuum left by our troop pullout, you will see Israel destroyed in your lifetime. The legacies of his treasonous foreign policies will be with us for a very very long time, just as we still deal with Carter’s failed foreign policies to this day.

mph October 29, 2012 at 1:46 pm

Leo, it was 1983, not 1783. They had “real time” communication in the 1980’s. It was called a phone. And the threat was well known before the order was made to unload weapons.

And it became very clear to the Muslim terrorists that they could get away with it. While France – France! – responded militarily, Reagan packed up and went him home. He also traded missiles for hostages with the planners of the attack, which meant Iran went into the hostage business full-time afterwards.

And libertard, there is a single guy saying that the President was watching in real-time. That’s it. How this went down down is poorly understood. And “treasonous” foreign policy? By Obama and Carter? Please point to an example. It’s not like they did business with Iran, gave intelligence and trained Iraq in nuclear technology, supported juntas that killed thousands or, recklessly invaded countries without proper troops – or even a compelling reason.

If Obama hadn’t thrown in with the overthrow of despots during the Arab Spring, you’re be arguing the exact opposite. “Just when democracy is about to overthrow tyranny, Obama helps Egypt/Gaddafi/ETC.” You’re a reflexive partisan. Nothing would make you happy.

leo October 29, 2012 at 1:52 pm

MPH–The TRUTH would make me happy…I want to know what happened in LIBYA…I want to know the TRUTH…I’m sick of the lies and spin…tell me the TRUTH!

mph October 29, 2012 at 1:56 pm

Agreed. Finally. Looks like amateur hour in Washington.

All I’m saying is that Fox News and the internet aren’t the sources to sort out responsibility, especially since both have a motivation beyond “the truth.”

Libertas October 29, 2012 at 2:02 pm

Then who is? You just dismissed the entire ‘internet’? What is a source that meets your approval? Susan rice at the State department? Jay Carney speaking on behalf of the pres.? The New York Times? the State newspaper? CNN? MSLSD? Who exactly?

crackahasscrackah October 29, 2012 at 3:27 pm

Will –

Your assertion that “three decades ago, a scandal like this would have brought down an administration” is pure horseshit. It was almost exactly three decades ago, that defenseless Marines were slaughtered in Beirut. Nothing happened. This Libyan crap is not nearly as bad, and nothing is going to happen. There is no politcal cost to pay for this foreign policy misadventures. Don’t get me wrong, I am completely opposed to conscription – BUT the public stopped caring about this stuff after the draft ended.

The reality is this: Reagan had no business putting those Marines in Beirut. We had and have no strategic interests in Lebanon. Obama had no business putting any American citizen -whether Navy SEAL or State Department/CIA employee in Libya. We have no strategic interests in Libya. Put your people in those godforsaken, piece of shit countries . . . and you watch your people die. We keep repeating the foreign policy misadventures because the general public (as opposed to partisan hacks of the party out of the White House) doesn’t give a shit.

Robert October 29, 2012 at 3:35 pm

Sorry, but this is simply not an issue the majority of voters are that concerned about. Most Americans want us out of that region anyway.

I’m not minimizing the deaths. But the never ending conspiracy crap from the staunch anti-Obama people gets old.

Thank goodness this will be solved in 8 days. You will either be saying goodbye to Obama or you can sit in front of Fox and pout.

Libertas October 29, 2012 at 4:42 pm

“I don’t know if it’s either a cover-up or the worst kind of incompetence, which doesn’t qualify the president as commander in chief,” McCain said.

The Republican senator was primarily talking about statements the administration made early after the attack where U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice said the Consulate attack was a “spontaneous” event caused by the anti-Mohammed film that caused massive protests across the Middle East.

Witnesses to the attack told The Associated Press that some 150 gunmen took part in the assault on the Benghazi compound.

“We now know there was no demonstration. There was no mob,” McCain told CBS News. “So for literally days and days, they told the American people something that had no basis in fact whatsoever.”

McCain added that this might cost Obama the election.

“Nobody died in Watergate. But this is either a massive cover-up or incompetence that is not acceptable service to the American people,” McCain told “Face the Nation.” “The American people may take that into consideration a week from Tuesday.”

crackahasscrackah October 29, 2012 at 3:36 pm

And Will, you do realize that “retired U.S. Army Lt. Col.” essentially means that Tony Schaffer is nobody. If you go in the Army as a 2nd Lt., stay for at least 20 years and are retired as a Lite Colonels, you had a fairly unremarkable career. Retired Lite Colonels are a dime a dozen and are unlikely to have any sources of any import…

Robert October 29, 2012 at 4:01 pm

Absolutely. I once had a boss who was Citadel grad and retired as Lt. Colonel. He served about 15 years.

My Dad served 30 years. Went in with no high school diploma and retired as CWO3.

As you say, entering at a Lt and retiring as Lt. Colonel is no grand feat.

? October 29, 2012 at 3:55 pm

“Perhaps we didn’t appreciate fully enough the depth of the hatred and the complexity of the problems that made the Middle East such a jungle. Perhaps the idea of a suicide car bomber committing mass murder to gain instant entry to Paradise was so foreign to our own values and consciousness that it did not create in us the concern for the marines’ safety that it should have.

In the weeks immediately after the bombing, I believe the last thing that we should do was turn tail and leave. Yet the irrationality of Middle Eastern politics forced us to rethink our policy there. If there would be some rethinking of policy before our men die, we would be a lot better off. If that policy had changed towards more of a neutral position and neutrality, those 241 marines would be alive today.”- Ronald Reagan

Libertas October 29, 2012 at 3:59 pm


Q: Can I follow up on that? One of the reasons we’ve heard that there wasn’t a more robust response right away is that there wasn’t a clear intelligence picture over Benghazi, to give you the idea of where to put what forces.

But when there was, in fact, a drone over the CIA annex and there were intelligence officials fighting inside the annex, I guess the big question is, with those two combined assets, why there wasn’t a clear intelligence picture that would have given you what you needed to make some moves, for instance, flying, you know, F-16s over the area to disperse fighters or — or dropping more special forces in.

SEC. PANETTA: You know, let me — let me speak to that, because I’m sure there’s going to be — there’s a lot of Monday morning quarterbacking going on here.

We — we quickly responded, as General Dempsey said, in terms of deploying forces to the region. We had FAST platoons in the region. We had ships that we had deployed off of Libya. And we were prepared to respond to any contingency and certainly had forces in place to do that.

But — but the basic principle here — basic principle is that you don’t deploy forces into harm’s way without knowing what’s going on; without having some real-time information about what’s taking place. And as a result of not having that kind of information, the commander who was on the ground in that area, General Ham, General Dempsey and I felt very strongly that we could not put forces at risk in that situation.

Q: So the drone, then, and the forces inside the annex weren’t giving enough of a clear picture is what you’re saying.

SEC. PANETTA: This — this happened within a few hours and it was really over before, you know, we had the opportunity to really know what was happening.

dirtbogger October 29, 2012 at 4:09 pm

This reminds me of the stand down order Cheney was said to have made in regards to the plane that hit the Petagon on 9-11 which hit the part being renovated making a hole to small to have come from a plane While Bush read an upside down book about a pet goat to school children. All the day after Rumsfeld said 2.3 trillion dollars was missing from the Pentagon. Good job to Fits here for actually reporting the news.

Booyah October 29, 2012 at 7:13 pm

Ambassador Stevens fucked up. He had no business whatever going around Libya without PREARRANGING security including an immediate response team and a large personal security detail.

Stevens had the power, the accountability on the ground, and the ability to REFUSE to go into dangerous areas which, even if he didn’t mind the risk, endangered the people he COMMANDED.

A team should have been on the ground at all times with armored fighting vehicles and air cover on immediate call, not waiting somewhere else.

Remember Mogadishu? Hubris is lousy protection against RPGs. Deploy to fight or stay home.

Stevens got himself killed because he trusted Muslims. Some DID fight for him, but when you play in an enemy sandbox it’s YOUR duty to bring enough force.

BigT October 29, 2012 at 7:52 pm

Booyah: You may be the Biggest Dumb@$$ I’ve EVER seen post on here…

Now It’s Stevens fault…

I wonder how long it will take for your Stupid @$$ to figure out how to blame Bush?

And: Our embassy is not THEIR sandbox you Ignorant Son of a B!*ch….

harley October 30, 2012 at 9:00 am

“Stevens got himself killed because he trusted Muslims…”

Eh? Which ones? The ones in the Situation Room who were happy to let him die despite 7 hours worth of pleading for back-up assistance??

gasman October 29, 2012 at 9:16 pm

t minus one week…..I can see the light at the end of this four year disaster….and it won’t be close

porchsitter October 30, 2012 at 9:34 am

look for your picture in the dictionary under nut jobs


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