“THEY COME OVER HERE BECAUSE WE ARE OVER THERE”
By RON PAUL || Last week, the House and Senate voted to rubber stamp President Obama’s war plans for the Middle East. Both bodies, on a bipartisan basis, authorized the US to begin openly training and arming the rebels who have been fighting for three years to overthrow the Assad government in Syria.
Although the Syrian government has also been fighting ISIS and related extremist groups for three years, the US refuses to speak to the Syrians and has warned Assad not to interfere with the coming US attack on sovereign Syrian territory.
President Obama promised that airstrikes alone would “degrade and destroy” ISIS, telling the US military in a speech last week that:
“The American forces that have been deployed to Iraq do not and will not have a combat mission … I will not commit you and the rest of our armed forces to fighting another ground war in Iraq.”
But of course any US troops sent into a war zone are “combat” troops. And more are on their way.
While the president was swearing that there would be no boots on the ground, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Martin Dempsey, was in open disagreement. General Dempsey told the Senate Armed Services Committee last week that US forces would need to embed with Iraqi or Kurdish troops in combat situations under certain circumstances.
The limited mission the president promised just weeks ago has already greatly escalated, and now threatens to become another major regional war. In reality, however, this is just a continuation of the 24-year US war on Iraq that President George Bush began in 1990 and candidate Obama promised to end as President.
Under last week’s authorization bill, the president would have authority to train 5,000 fighters in Saudi Arabia for insertion into the civil war in Syria. This is in effect a re-arrangement of the deck chairs. To this point the training was carried out by the CIA in Jordan and Turkey. Now, the program will be moved to the Pentagon and to Saudi Arabia.
The CIA training of the rebels thus far has resulted in a direct pipeline of weapons from “vetted moderates” to the al-Qaeda affiliated al-Nusra Front and to the very ISIS that the administration claims to be fighting. In July, a full brigade of 1,000 fighters from a US-backed rebel group joined ISIS! Of course they took their US-provided weapons and training with them, some of which will certainly be used against the rapidly increasing US military personnel in the region.
That Saudi Arabia is considered a suitable place to train Syria’s future leaders must be some kind of sick joke. While ISIS was beheading two American journalists – as horrific as that is – the repressive Saudi theocracy was beheading dozens of its own citizens, often for relatively minor or religious crimes.
If we want to stop radical terrorists from operating in Syria and Iraq, how about telling our ally Saudi Arabia to stop funding and training them? For that matter, how about the US government stops arming and training the various rebel groups in Syria and finally ends its 24 year US war on Iraq.
There are 200 million people bordering the countries where ISIS is currently operating. They are the ones facing the threat of ISIS activity and expansion. Let them fight their own war, rather than turning the US military into the mercenary army of wealthy Gulf states. Remember, they come over here because we are over there. So let’s not be over there any longer.
Ron Paul is a former U.S. Congressman from Texas and the leader of the pro-liberty, pro-free market movement in the United States. His weekly column – reprinted with permission – can be found here.
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Someone ask little Rand in front of some Israelis if he’s for or agin it.
you mean these people? https://www.fitsnews.com/2014/08/03/israel-america-dont-ever-second-guess/
Yeah.. those people.
New U.S.-Israel Cooperation Bill Passes Unanimously in Senate
September 22, 2014 at 5:38 am
The Jewish lobby’s complete control over the US Government has been demonstrated once again, out in the open, with the unanimous passage of the United States-Israel Strategic Partnership Act of 2014 through the Senate.
The act, sponsored by Jewish senator Barbara Levy (married name Boxer), (D-Calif.), and senator Roy Blunt, (R-Mo.)—who claims to be a Southern Baptist, but according to Halacha Law is Jewish, as his mother was Neva Letterman—gives Israel access to even more millions of US taxpayer cash—on top of the $3.1 billion they already receive each year.
Roy Blunt is Jewish? LMAO!!!!! Dumbass. Ron Paul is a racist traitor and the apple apparently didn’t fall far from the tree.
Libertarians are more dangerous than ISIS. ISIS is a national security threat. Libertarians seek to destroy our families, churches and communities with their perverted view of society.
you don’t sound all that safe yourself, there dude.
I took care of that 3 weeks ago. You fucked up ,there dude.
“The widespread abuse of prisoners is a virtually foolproof indication that politicians are trying to impose a system–whether political, religious or economic–that is rejected by large numbers of the people they are ruling. Just as ecologists define ecosystems by the presence of certain “indicator species” of plants and birds, torture is an indicator species of a regime that is engaged in a deeply anti-democratic project, even if that regime happens to have come to power through elections.”
It’s not widespread abuse of prisoners. It’s highly targeted. Now doesn’t that sound better. It’s not so bad now.
Yeah.. now that you mention it, it does. I guess Naomi got carried away with her hyperbole.
That guy sounded kind of weird, so I gave him the ole switcheroo.
“The act, sponsored by Jewish senator Barbara Levy (married name Boxer), (D-Calif.), and senator Roy Blunt, (R-Mo.)—who claims to be a Southern Baptist, but according to Halacha Law is Jewish, as his mother was Neva Letterman…” – euwe max
You’ve been visiting STORM FRONT website again I see.
I hang with the weirdest people.. but they sure seem to know their Jews!
You seem to share their views. Keep your beret and arm band handy.
I seem to share Storm Front’s views? How so?
You are implying that Jews because they are Jewish have an agenda that is not for America but are instead acting in the interest of a foreign power. That’s bigotry. “The Jewish lobby’s complete control over the US Government”. Next you’ll be quoting from “The Protocols of the Elders of Zion”.
You are implying that Jews because they are Jewish have an agenda that is not for America but are instead acting in the interest of a foreign power.
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I don’t think I implied that. It was way more explicit. I wasn’t being sneaky about it at all. I said that two Jews sponsored a bill, and they did… let me add another name: leana Ros-Lehtinen… she’s a Jew too. She was the original sponsor. Note section 102.
This isn’t conspiracy theory stuff. If three Palestinians had sponsored a bill awarding some super duper status to the Palestinians, would that have been the same thing? I don’t guess you are aware of the very REAL power of the Israeli lobby, and the holocaust industry that actually *does* get billions of our dollars every year?
Do you know what Zionism is? Are you aware of what they want to achieve, and why? They are very real – not comic book bad guys… just guys with ideas….
I guess you have plenty of Jewish friends… reform and orthodox. Everyone that talks with me about Judaism does. Then you know that devout Jews *sometimes* have ideas about Israel that go farther than vacation plans… and that *most* American Jews are liberal….
And you also know that radical right-wing Israeli hawks are not representative of the majority in Israel, right?
Without a doubt, you also know that the Israeli lobby makes damn sure that Jews who are “on board” with creating a mess out of the Arab countries in the Middle East get all the money they need when they are campaigning… and expect nothing less than total fealty to that state, whether they get it or not.
Do you have any religious feeling? Is there anything stirring in *your* breast that would make you favor things you believe your savior and Messiah wants to take place on this earth? Can you see how those feelings, in people who see Israel as the one true Jewish homeland, might make it a very high priority in their waking hours as politicians?
I don’t think you have to be an anti-Semite to observe reality… the sheer *number* of influential figures in PNAC, the Office Of Special Plans.. the entire framework of instigators for war in Iran, Iraq, Syria, Qatar, Bahrain, Yemen.. to arm rebels, to seek out instability, to stir the pot at every opportunity… who are *completely* devoted to this cause above all others… the unimaginably altruistic politician whose votes are based on conviction, not money alone…
Anti-Semites have a sickness that I am not familiar with… though I’m sure, living in Southern Carolina, you’ve seen that same green monster with other faces.. blacks, hispanics… not only hated *by* whites, but by *each other*. Whites have their own internal hates.. hicks might hate celebrity sluts in a class war kind of way.. trailer trash get a lot of laughs on the comedy club circuit…
But moi? Anti-Semite? As God is my witness, I hold no racist grudge, or philosophy or belief of genetic “poison” in any race, over any other.
The head Jew, in my opinion – Jesus Christ – was the sponsor of something that transcends blood feuds… big noses, slanted eyes, stereotypes… indeed, erases lines between races and religions (oh yes, religions too), and focuses our hearts on the evil within them – not within others.
Being preoccupied with his ideals, I don’t see where there’s any room for scum like Storm Front’s members.
You quoted several posts above, but didn’t say where you got it. Well, I found it on David Dukes website and blog.
http://davidduke.com/new-u-s-israel-cooperation-bill-passes-unanimously-senate/
And credited to David Duke here.
http://alturls.com/anti-zionism/
The Jewish lobby’s complete control over the US Government has been demonstrated once again, out in the open, with the unanimous passage of the United States-Israel Strategic Partnership Act of 2014 through the Senate.
The act, sponsored by Jewish senator Barbara Levy (married name Boxer), (D-Calif.), and senator Roy Blunt, (R-Mo.)—who claims to be a Southern Baptist, but according to Halacha Law is Jewish, as his mother was Neva Letterman—gives Israel access to even more millions of US taxpayer cash—on top of the $3.1 billion they already receive.
I got it from another source Sherlock ;
Unlike Libertarians, it’s not the expenditure of money that makes me hate war – it’s the idiotic notion that it *makes* money!
…well, that, and the unnecessary and completely avoidable deaths of innocent life.
did I mention I hate war?
See that Dems? You can’t call Republicans obstructionists anymore!
LMAO!
No one ever said Republicans didn’t love them some war!
lol, so true…but let’s not forget their bosom buddies the Dems either!
Just like the budget process, the question isn’t whether to war or not, but how much war is just the right amount! lol Great debate!
The Democrats really sucked in 2003, didn’t they? OOOoooh.. that Saddam has evil looking eyebrows!
what a bunch of cowards.
Yep, the whole lot is rotten. When it comes to the brass tacks(voting), war rarely loses.
Just think, if the US gov’t didn’t turn on its former ally Saddam, ISIS wouldn’t be a problem.
The thing that scares me shitless is Hillary is a fucking HAWK! That bitch is gonna burn the whole fucking Middle East to the *ground* if she gets a chance.. no one will *ever* accuse a woman of being “soft on security” if she gets in there.
The way she was going on about Iran in the last election was un BEfuckingLIEVABLE..
Yep, Hillary is a fucking loon…Bill is the sane one and I’m not sure he has any control over her.
Hillary=John McCain=Lindsey Graham
The thing about Obama is that while a war monger, he’s a little less in your face about it. I don’t know if that’s good or bad. On one hand, he’s not stoking the muppets populating our nation into a war fever, but basically it doesn’t matter because he’s still drone striking the shit out of everyone and throwing our volunteer forces into theater’s without thinking twice.
So who’s the alternative from either party that’s interested in not waging unwinnable wars that’s even remotely electable?
Rand is a war pimp that can’t slobber over Israeli cock enough, does anyone think Romney is a peacenik?(though you’d think him being a Mormon would be worth *something*)
As you point out, Hillary is a super hawk. What about Warren? Seems pretty militant to me. In fact, Dems have the same problem with militant Fems that the GOP has with in the closet gay chest thumping men.
Pretty easy to see the long term getting worse, not better regardless of who’s elected/selected, from my lazy boy.
maybe you need a lazier boy. :)
The crying shame of it is, the news has been corrupted so badly… though NO ONE wants war, we can’t get that message across… even the polls are fucked – landlines to dumb fucks in redneckistan so senile you can get any answer you want just by asking in the right tone of voice.
“though NO ONE wants war, we can’t get that message across”
Yea….we know who wants war…it’s those in power(both gov’t and MIC), I defer to Black Sabbath/War pigs. They don’t give two shits about what the populace wants.
What’s Israeli cock like,anyway?
Circumcised.
LOL I think your postings are starting to take a toll.
Paul is Dead
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5Q3VED2YK8
How to Not Get Stung by Angry Hornets, by Uncle Sam
1) Throw rock at hornet’s nest.
2) Go back to step one.
If stung by hornet, scream loudly and begin from Step 1 again.
If stung by hornet, scream loudly
appropriate more rocks
and begin from Step 1 again.
You can’t destroy when they are making babies that will take their place. That is what we have going on. Can’t anyone see this? All they know in those countries is killing. Its a way of life – the norm – the in thing. The money we are spending is better off going towards finishing the fence on the border with Mexico and cutting off the massive out of control flow of illegals into the USA.
There is no hope for the USA. It will fall very soon. Its almost there now.
“All they know in those countries is killing”
I believe that the USA has killed more people in foreign lands in the last 50 years than ANY of those countries.
I agree with you, as far as spending the money here in the US instead.
We are indeed bankrupt already, financially and morally.
Republicans Switch Firm Handling Obama Suit
WASHINGTON — House Republicans on Friday replaced the firm handling their lawsuit against President Obama after the lawyer representing them pulled out over what was said to be political backlash among his colleagues at the firm, Baker Hostetler.
haw haw haw
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/20/us/politics/republicans-switch-firm-handling-obama-suit.html?_r=0
Wonder if Obama will listen this time?
My Congressman voted NO to this BS! Mister Hardwick, er, Mark Sanford also voted against that. The Petro Dollar has blown up in our face, now we’re just throwing good money after bad, and borrowed money at that.
Ron Paul and his son are dangerous for our security. If both bodies act on bipartisan basis its either for us or for Israel, the light of hope.
Afaik its about carving out a christianized Kurdistan and Armenia out of Syria/Iraq.
There is one simple way to solve the ISIS problem, put up “Islamic Terrorist Free Zone” signs all over the Middle East.
Obama is now a war criminal for attacking Syria and should be tried in The Hague for war crimes.
There are only two ways to solve this. Get out and let them kill themselves or go in with overwhelming power and commit ourselves to killing them all.
Didn’t he like this no plan, plan before it was ever implemented without doing any research about it? Yea, I remember that.