PALMETTO STATE NUMBER ONE … WITH A BULLET?
|| By FITSNEWS || We knew South Carolina was the most criminal state in America, so it probably shouldn’t surprise us that much to learn it’s also the most dangerous.
A new study from WalletHub reaches that conclusion – yet another reason why the Palmetto State’s only real method of “economic development” continues to be bribing companies to locate here using borrowed tax dollars.
“To find the safest and most dangerous states, WalletHub measured crime rates per capita as determined by data from the Federal Bureau of Investigation,” the report stated. “It also took into account fatalities per 100 million vehicle miles of travel; sex offenders per capita and state’s youth incarceration rates.”
To view the data for yourself, click here.
We’ve said it before, we’ll say it again: These results are sad, but not surprising. After all, low income levels, low labor participation and low intelligence breeds crime …
What’s truly sad, though? Our state’s law enforcement leaders seem far more focused on shutting down medical marijuana legislation than they do fighting actual crime. And our state’s legislative leaders seem far more focused on subsidizing failure factories (and the income levels of one percenters) than letting the free market do its thing …
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Has anyone read the multiple reports on mentally ill people who are killed in SC by being over tasered?
I can almost guarantee that most cops doing such tasering have no idea the recipient is mentally ill. (and the homeless population runs around 50% on average in mental illness)
Because they don’t know, they should taser? I know of a case years old, a kid my child’s age, on our side of town was tasered to death. Why? Because he did not have the ability to communicate with the officers and was on a bicycle. He was trying to get to his nearby family to have them explain, but they ended up killing him before anyone had a chance.
“Because they don’t know, they should taser? ”
Geez, you presuppose so much.
I never said anything remotely near that.
I have a schizophrenic relative that’s had many run-in’s with the law for the most minor of things…they never know that she’s crazy as hell.
OK TB, I know you love a good fight, but it was a question and I’m not much in the mood to fight …. yet.
I am sorry for you relative.
” I’m not much in the mood to fight …. yet.”
Just focus on the make up sex.
I keeeeeeed.
“I am sorry for you relative.”
It is what it is. She flipped later in life statiscally speaking, and her early adult life was good and interesting. Bright star, burnt out fast, yada yada, yada.
LMAO! You are funny and definitely TROUBLE ;)
I understand it is what it is, we all have family that has issues. It still hurts. Those of who are the brightest seem to burn the fastest.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Xf-Lesrkuc
Damn People! You bitch when they shoot them! Bitch when they Taser them!
Some people are never happy with anything! Nothing good is going to come from resisting the police. NOTHING! Why is this so hard to figure out?
I’ve never resisted. I am simply pointing out the corruption in our own state. Maybe law enforcement is part of the problem? (shrug) – draw your own conclusions or …. try to figure out the problem and a solution and then demand legislators make changes?
You state you have never resisted…..Have you ever been Tased or Shot by the police? I didn’t think so.
I guarantee you that police are part of the problem. They are the ones who must deal with the “people” who have earned SC the honor of being the most violent state in the nation. Now we ask them to deal with them by not shooting, tasing, tackling, using a headlock, choke hold, tackle or any other possible restraint that could potentially injure them.
I know what the problem is! The problem is that people are not held accountable for their actions. The criminal Justice system is a “Revolving door”. People are not held accountable for their actions. They commit CRIME after CRIME only to be released back on the streets for cops to deal with.
Mentally Ill- SC has NO mechanism to deal with Mentally Ill. It is the same cycle. Committal and release. Over and over and over and over!
The system is broken! Parents don’t give a shit what they raise and turn loose on the rest of us………………We just give them more benefits and a damn Obama Phone and tell them everything will be all right! Well guess what? It’s not going to be all right! It’s going to get worse!
Why are the police here so violent? I am sure other states have similar problems. Look at other areas that are highly populated.
I did some digging years ago, I looked up the crime statistics. I also looked at the laws on the books – what is a crime? What qualifies as a misdemeanor v. felon? Have you looked at the laws? You might also look at some of the dumbest laws on the books. They may have made some minor “tweaks’ but the law here is not fair IMHO. These roadblocks are nothing more than a money racket – if you don’t have the money, then you go to jail.
I am sure being a poor state, undereducated and low wages play a significant role.
SC NEEDS a mechanism to deal with Mentally Ill.
Tons of kids and adults with Autism or Downs or other similar issues get tased on a regular basis, either because they don’t respond to the officer or freak the fuck out because they are confused or scared. Some people blame bad training but I don’t know how you even train someone to not use excessive force on somebody who obviously doesn’t deserve it. If something like that comes natural then perhaps that person just shouldn’t be a cop.
Well, the key questions before tasering – do they have a weapon? Do you feel they are a threat? How can they justify tasering someone to death who is on a bicycle and weaponless?
Hell, if I were to err, I think I’d let a boy on a bicycle, who has no weapon, just go….it isn’t like he has a license plate with a criminal record. He is obviously a scared kid or young adult. Even a homeless person?
This is an example that came into my in box. Haven’t had time to research yet, but….
http://www.rawstory.com/2015/04/south-carolina-cops-face-prison-time-for-sadistically-tasering-mentally-disabled-woman/
Thanks for sharing that. It’s sad…but I’m not surprised either.
Until citizen review boards(with teeth) and body cams for cops become the routine, these abuses will continue en masse IMO.
Here is another “interesting” data point, which I can’t imagine how Greenville made the top 100, but….
http://www.greenvilleonline.com/story/news/local/2014/09/15/greenville-makes-list-best-places-live/15666103/
This does not fit the Folks agenda, therefore he will not ever mention it.
Having lived in Greenville County previously – I cannot fathom they rank the top 100? I’ve lived in several states. Greenville is nice in some parts, but they certainly do not make my top 100 places that I would want to live. Downtown is nice, but hell the crime rate is awful. I think Greenville County finally trumped Spartanburg for domestic violence? Or was it violent crime?
I’m sure SanFran. Key West, NYC, Boston or Chicago…where corruption is more natural than a mother giving birth…is what you call Utopia…you dumb@$$ sycophant…
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The problem is nothing a lot more churches and guns can’t fix. Oh, and religion and guns IN the schools, for good measure. Crime will just melt away.
Exactly what we need! This is the South where it’s all about God and guns. I am not opposed to the ability to own a gun, but good grief – who hell wants to go to a restaurant, bar or a school where everyone is packing?
It’s none of your F*#king business…idiot.
If someone violates the law, file a complaint…but you sound like a whiney Dumb@$$…who gripes about other people taking advantage of their rights…
Because you like like…is not a good reason to violate the Constitution…
You and Obama need to GTFO my face…..
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I’d feel a lot safer there than in a “gun free zone”.
Do you feel safer with you kids in school where ALL the teachers are packing?
Do you feel safer going to a place that serves alcohol that allows others to pack? I know they are not “supposed” to drink, but they are not “supposed” to drink and drive either.
Guess you don’t live in an ‘ignorance-free zone’? Or maybe you live in a ‘fear-mongered’ zone?
I was being sarcastic. I agree with you and definitely don’t want idiots like GT running around weapons. (Wait, does stupidity count as a weapon?)
I was being sarcastic too! LOL
i.e. “Exactly what we need!” ;)
just a thought, but don’t SC residents have a right to wallow in their own filth? i mean, is there something in the constitution that obliges us to try and make your life easier or more pleasant? and do we exist only to serve up nicer statistics? i’ve lived in lots of places where the locals made no sense to me at all. but none of them felt like they had to explain themselves. so it is here in SC. its called free will, and its the reason democracy isn’t the inevitable end of all nations.
9 out of 10 are Red States – yeah, voting for a GOP governor is looking like a good plan.
I think a better plan would be taking a good long look at how law enforcement is handled on a case by case basis. Columbia is overrun with left leaners and look at the mess of a city it is.
Shhh, it will spoil his rant to point out that the “urban centers” drive these statistics and that most are run by Democrats.
Don’t bother mentioning that Democrats Governors have been in charge of our state from 1876-1975, again from ’79-’87 and again from ’99-’03.
Or that the legislature was solidly Democrat from 1878-1996.
Wow, SO glad your were able to step in with those stats. Those Democratic legislatures from the 1880’s are SO very relevant to the conversation.
The confirmation bias is strong with this one.
So I guess you support the idea that all of this happened overnight since the shift from majority Democrat gubernors to majority Republican gubernors and that’s the real cause?
No, I would say the cause is the ignorance of the populace combined with the Republicans ability to capitalize on, and abuse, this ignorance.
So you do agree that “…it’s all George Bush’s fault…” – and you dorks wonder why nothing gets done.
Nope, a lot of our current USA problems started with Reagan and his idiotic tax cuts. Clinton bears some blame for the mortgage crisis, along with Bush I. Georgie part duex, however, was a disaster of epic proportions that will likely never be fully be comprehended by current technologies.
Well then let’s look just a little further back to none other than LBJ and the (no so) Great Society. $22 trillion and roughly 80 welfare programs later, minorities are further behind in many important categories and the standard solution lately appears to be “…we can’t fix it so we’ll bring in more minorities…”. I blame both sides fairly equally.
And this has what to do with crime statistics?
Leatherman is still serving from those days isn’t he? But he became a GOPer Geezer.
Thanks for chiming in, Clueless. You obviously don’t understand that not only are the COL’s stats accurate, they remain relevant. As the politics changed in the south (including SC), new politicians didn’t get voted into legislatures en masse, the existing pols simply switched parties in many cases. So, not only was our State House Dem all the way through 1996, it’s still populated by Republicans who espouse the right ideals from time to time, but vote like Dems with great regularity. More to the point, the crime stats are too complex to get into here, but anyone who thinks it’s more dangerous to live in SC than in the Northeastern corridor of the US (or ANY major metro area nationwide) is delusional. Our pissant crime can’t even compare, except in a few exceptional categories. Move to Chicago if you want to see what REAL violent crime smells like…
Wonder many percentage points Dan Johnson is singlehandedly responsible for, with the goons he slaps on the wrist and lets back out to terrorize the greater Columbia area?
Ok Colonel. You have military experience, so does your wife according to earlier posts today. When you go to work, or assuming you might be called to go to war, do you look at color, sex or sexual preferences? Or do you look to see who has your back?
I know when I went to war, I didn’t care about anything, except who was fighting along side me. My friends, my comrades, my military counterparts.
I’ve posted this before but – I couldn’t give “two hoots in Hell” who you screw, what you look like, who your people are or how you go to the bathroom. I’m interested in your character and how you perform your duty. That said, I’m not interested in who you screw or what you do in the bathroom either.
Your comment says something entirely different – nuances:
“Don’t bother mentioning that Democrats Governors have been in charge of our state from 1876-1975, again from ’79-’87 and again from ’99-’03”
Two different conversations – and, you need to read the rest of my comment to Johnny Logic above – quoting myself, “I blame both sides fairly equally”.
Fair enough, but I’m looking forward to the second part of that. I did read the conversation with Johnny Logic, but in all fairness, quickly. I have a little more time to digest. I’ll be back in a few …
Arrrgh….you again are right! Johnny took it too far “No, I would say the cause is the ignorance of the populace combined with the Republicans ability to capitalize on, and abuse, this ignorance.”
He wants to blame a party :(
If you went to war, would you ask what political party they belonged to? Or would you find common ground? I am guessing the latter?
I have studiously avoided any political commentary for the 30+ years I’ve played Army. In fact, the reason I post as just “The Colonel” is to avoid having a soldier who works for/with me be influenced by my political opinions.
FITS’ – and the Democrats’- self-loathing validated yet again…LMAO…You hate yourselves…and I COMPLETELY understand why….Hahahaha…
I like this website. Everyday it makes me glad I moved the fuck away from SC.
LOL you luck duck ;)
There was also a study which shows South Carolina as one of the least valuable states in America. Meaning it’s worth (cost of acreage, industrialization, technology, ability to recruit industries) etc.
Link or it didn’t happen.
I’ll try to link it.
Guess you couldn’t locate it?
Hey FITS..maybe you and the rest of these liberal SC-bashers should carry your yuppie @$$#S to Baltimore…and see what happens to lily-white panderers and sycophants after dark…..LMAO…..
A little off the topics, but not so much. We are talking dangerous. As all you know, I am not your religious type. However, there was a case in SC if I recall correctly, where a preacher sorta guy (don’t recall denomination) decided to feed the homeless in a public park.
The man was sent to jail repeatedly. They were destroying the public parks. Hey – wait a minute, doesn’t our tax dollars pay for that kind of stuff? I guess residents were complaining their kids couldn’t play there?
I understand, I wouldn’t like it either, but given the choice of my child playing on a pubic park, for fear of homeless people, or not visiting the park. I would have chosen not to visit the park.
I suppose parks are free (save our tax dollars) to only those who have a job? What if I don’t have a job tomorrow? Not that have one today – that pays, but what if I was down on my luck? What if I had paid into taxes to build this park? What if I decided that I wanted to take advantage of the taxes I might have paid for said park and feed the hungry?
None of this makes sense to me. It does explain the crime rate IMHO.
Do you suffer from adult ADD?
Not at all. Borderline OCD, but no ADD. I do appreciate your concern.
This study is skewed. Alaska is #6 for God’s sake.
Have you ever been to Alaska?
Do you think Alaska should be higher or lower?
Blame it on Red or Blue politicians, that’s a lot easier than holding criminals responsible, it’s always the system’s fault.
It has nothing to do with Red or Blue, it has to do with people. It also has a lot to do with government incentives IMPO.
I do understand why people want to make this a red or blue issue, but it isn’t. It is about people of all races, of all political affiliations and family.
It is that simple in my mind. It is time for the people to come together and stop this division of politics and/or race. Together we could do a lot of good. Divided, we can continue the fight right down to the last crumb of crackers.
As I set here and watch what is going on in Baltimore, I am thankful I don’t live in a major metropolitan area, north or south, east or west.
Crap, you just gave me more research… ;)
The people are sick of being over policed. It is obvious from looking at every state. Our police forces are undereducated and underpaid.
The people are sick of being the victims of something they pay for – protection.
Excuse me, speak for yourself, I’ve never felt like I’ve been “over policed”. I learned a long time ago if there is something wrong in my life to look at myself first and change my attitude or behavior.
Yep and by your own admission, you are out of touch with the majority. “I am thankful I don’t live in a major metropolitan area, north or south, east or west”
So how can you speak knowledgeable for them? Not trying to be a jerk, but I am saying if you live isolated, you have no clue what the rest of us deal with.
You chose to live where you live and if you don’t live here why are you on a local blog. Why don’t you get off the computer and do something to help your community?
BTW you are being a jerk. You don’t know my history, you are the one that doesn’t have a clue, I haven’t lived in SC my whole life, I’ve just retired here. Have you ever been to SC (not that it makes any difference) or do you just blog your way around the U.S.?
I apologize if I come across as a jerk, that is not what my heart intends. If disagreeing with something you have said is being a jerk – well, I am sorry you feel that way.
I do live in SC. I don’t know your history, but we did have a decent conversation about dependency v. co-dependency.
I haven’t lived in SC my whole life either, I married here and …(sigh)….it will be my life, so I make my best effort to express my views.
I like the Colonel played Army for over thirty years and have seen much not only here but around the world.
“So how can you speak knowledgeable for them?”…that is being a jerk, I was speaking for no one but myself, you are the one that indicated otherwise.
Speaking for yourself? I too am an individual. We all are. Again, I apologize if I came across as a jerk, but I was speaking from experience too. Just sharing in conversation.
If you don’t want to have a conversation, I understand that you may not. A conversation is something that moves both ways. If it is only one way. Well, I’ll refrain from commenting if that is your desire.
My desire is we have a conversation/discussion. The choice is yours to make.
Sounds like FITS wants an activist government, to address the inequities. Seems to me that a libertarian would let the chips fall where they may. There is no requirement in the FITS world to educate children. There are no laws in the FITS world, crime free! And etc.
Sounds to me like he might prefer a proactive government, but has enough experience to know the ins and outs.
Will we get that?
FITS is a hypocrite. He hates government, says it doesn’t work. Yet wants to use government to address the issues raised. You do know that Libertarians do not support government beyond providing for our national defense, at our borders only?
Forget FITS – he isn’t the one who comments. We can talk.
I totally understand what a libertarian is. I agree with them until we reach defense.
It’s fine if we don’t agree. I am glad issues are brought to life here and we can discuss them. Only a couple sites that make this possible, we are on one of them.
“There are no laws in the FITS world, crime free!”
I have no idea what a “FITS world” is like, but it’s important not to confuse it with libertarianism.
A libertarian society would still have law, based on natural law & enforcement of negative rights.
It’s the rejection of “positive rights”, which obligates others, that is the hallmark of libertarianism. There is no such thing as victimless crime in a libertarian world.
So in summary, there’s not an “absence of law” in a libertarian world. Just an intense focus on harm to person/property.
More blacks equals more crime.
I’m trying to be nice. Kind. Considerate. Your comment ….if unnecessary, is flat out wrong.
Blacks commit crimes at higher rates than other races.
Really? Or is it due to the fact that they don’t have the money other races do? Look at stats.
Because if you have less money than other races you have no choice but to rape and murder? Great logic.
Let me ask a question. Your family is poor, hungry to the point of starving, you are harassed based on color. What would you do?
I’ve asked the same question of some family members who don’t have that problem, but the answer is – I’d steal, I’d rob, I’d do whatever it took to survive.
I too am a survivor – I don’t have need a do those things, but if I did, I would. Fight or flight (flight = death). I would fight.
Blacks aren’t starving, most of them are fat.
You are just mean. Maybe you don’t realize it, but you are. You are judgmental based on race. At the risk of putting some of my more conservative friends in a total attack mode.
Blacks in the South have a shitty deal. The period at the end of that sentence says it all.
I’m telling the truth. You, on the other hand, are making excuses for rapists and murderers.
No, I am not making excuses, maybe you are making excuses why they are criminals? Why they are black? Why they worked the cotton fields? Why people like me, who are color blind start to see color. We are making them hate us – hate us as a race.
I detest debates on race, religion or ,,,, ignorance. Maybe it is time for TB to come back, b/c I am certainly ready for an argument….LOL j/k. A little.
All many care about is how much someone makes, that is a person to be used or mocked. If they are female, it is an excuse to say they f^cked their way to the top.
It really don’t make care, what stats show (contrary to the fact I wish it did), most people can look out their window and determine who their neighbors are, what they are about. It doesn’t matter if they are black or white. It matters how they treat each other.
All one needs to do is spend time, get to know other folks. I will tell you this. I had a mix at my house, during child’s teenage years. The blacks were not the problem. Some, yes, but not majority. The problem is, mob rule. When they get together and hate on white, as whites have hated on them – they are less forgiving.
I know many a horrible cases 2nd hand, but what you do if you had no choices? You knew they were looking out for you? This happens both black and white, but it’s a shit game. They are hurting the young.
Rapists? Murderers? Those closest to the family are the ones how are most subject to abuse.
Why are you having a family if you can’t afford to feed them?
Juss Wunderin, keep wunderin – my opinions are my own. As is my personal life, which I have share far to much on this site. I don’t need your crumbs.
I don’t want to pay for them either, unless my wishes are in the mix.
ADULT ARRESTEES BY RACE, 2012, South Carolina Law Enforcement Division Crime Statistics
Murder/Non-negligent Manslaughter: Black 217, White 75
Negligent Manslaughter: Black 2, White 8
Kidnapping/Abduction: Black 69, White 62
Rape: Black 218, White 168
Demographics of South Carolina, 2012
White 68.88%, Black 30.01%
Link?
http://www.sled.sc.gov/SCCrimeBooks.aspx?MenuID=CrimeReporting
Here’s another one:
http://web.archive.org/web/20121019014646/http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/race.cfm
I have posted repeatedly on this site the stats and income. For full disclosure I am white. The stats, show blacks make less than whites, I have posts links, they make almost 1/2 what whites do. Yet, the incarceration rate is higher? Is there a correlation rate between ability to hire a lawyer and the black crimes?
Until we figure this out – all debates are really off the table. The gap will continue to widen, the crime will continue to climb, black v. white will continue to be ugly.
Why not say I’m sorry? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PegPGvfqGLA
Blacks make less than whites because they have lower IQ’s.
Why do they have a lower IQ? IN SC? Do you think Condaleeza Rice has a lower IQ than you?
Genetics.
There are many things that play into the role of genetics – one is the fact they were oppressed?
No.
Why don’t they have this problem in the north? Jus’ wonderin’
They do.
http://city.milwaukee.gov/ImageLibrary/Groups/cityHRC/reports/2011Reportv6.pdf
I can’t get that link to work, not your problem, but an issue I need to work out on my end. It wants to download and I am not allowing that – way too any download/virus issues.
Interesting some links work, others don’t. None of these work, but I know it isn’t your fault – I see where the URL originates, just not able to open right now.
However, the issue was does the north have same problem, one your URL’s is SC Sled?
Pretty sure Bakari Sellers makes more in a month than I make in a quarter. I am white, he is black.
This just proves that in South Carolina all’s equal and the courts are
on the level and the strings in the books ain’t pulled and persuaded
and even the nobles get properly handled once that the cops have chased
after and caught ’em and the ladder of law has no top and no bottom
Latest: Maryland takes the lead.
“… We’ve said it before, we’ll say it again: These results are sad, but not surprising. After all, low income levels, low labor participation and low intelligence breeds crime …”
I don’t believe it is “low intelligence” as much as it is ordinary ignorance. That IS the school system problem in a nutshell.
If youth are not being taught about the “rules”, well, how are they supposed to know? … If youth are not being taught the difference between right and wrong, well, how are they supposed to know? …
So long as the Democrats and RINO Democrats are in charge of the education system, we will continue to have the poor and pathetic lower classes kept dumb enough to continue to vote for the Democratic Party elite. Come on down to the real Corridor of Shame schools and check them out. Sic – your boy Tom Davis is directly plugged into this system. Have you written a story about his wanting to change the Jasper County Schools yet? Is he holding anyone accountable yet? Don’t waste your time googling for an answer to those questions. The answer is NO. Molly Spearman? She has to ask Inez and Queen Jean before she even eats lunch each day.
It would have been nice if the report went a step further and broke the crime rate down by county. I bet Richland County would top them all. Little Chicken Hawk Leon Lott is doing a great job!
These surveys are more like marketing ploys for the states like Minnesota that need to pump up their Tax Based population along with tourism since more people vacation in the south, places like yes even South Carolina and Alabama don’t really need to depend as much on these top 10 Promotional Tourism Lists’ as much as the cold blue states of the north like North/South Dakota and Minnesota it feels more like Canada up there anyway. After spending equal time in Florida and Minnesota from my own experience there are far more dysfunctional people in Minnesota Per Capita there are more DUI’s given and their courts are much softer on repeat Convicted Criminals most of the people I met while living up there would still be behind bars in Florida. Since most people want to vacation in the south they care more about what’s going on down there. Bottom line places like Minnesota needs to be on the top 10 best places to live list so they can attract tourist to pay for their sterile superficial synthetic malls and their cheesy Mystic Lake Indian Casino! The only way to know how really screwed up it is up there is to be forced to live up there!