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Early Reports: Another Murder-Suicide Rocks USC

SOUTH CAROLINA CAMPUS DEALING WITH ANOTHER VIOLENT SHOOTING || By FITSNEWS || Multiple law enforcement agencies are confirming that this week’s fatal shooting at the University of South Carolina’s Arnold School of Health (story HERE) was a murder suicide. If true, it would be the second such tragedy to rock…

SOUTH CAROLINA CAMPUS DEALING WITH ANOTHER VIOLENT SHOOTING

|| By FITSNEWS || Multiple law enforcement agencies are confirming that this week’s fatal shooting at the University of South Carolina’s Arnold School of Health (story HERE) was a murder suicide.

If true, it would be the second such tragedy to rock the school in the last three months.

Last November, 20-year-old Diamoney Greene – a criminology student – was shot and killed by 21-year-old Brandon Early.  That shooting took place at the Copper Beech apartment complex near Williams Brice Stadium – just a few miles from this week’s shooting in downtown Columbia, S.C.

As was the case in this week’s on-campus shooting, FITS was the first news outlet to raise the possibility of a murder-suicide related to the Copper Beech incident.

Law enforcement officials have yet to release the names of the alleged victim and perpetrator from this week’s shooting, but they have confirmed two people are dead in what “appears to be a murder-suicide.”

For more information on the story, click our main article HERE.

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142 comments

just a shame February 5, 2015 at 2:58 pm

Universities today have become breeding grounds for the secularists and atheist tenured professors to spread their message of hate and hopelessness to our young men and women.

Life is no longer valued.

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Squishy123 February 5, 2015 at 3:17 pm

Who’s saying it’s university related, it may be a pissed off boyfriend of a girl who just broke up with him.

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GrandTango February 5, 2015 at 3:32 pm

It’s HUMANKIND related. And we’re at a low point in humankind. If we don’t turn, it will just keep dropping lower.

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E Norma Scok February 5, 2015 at 3:43 pm

And YOU are part of the reason for the low point.

Fat, ignorant and angry is no way to go through life, big guy.

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Rakkasan February 5, 2015 at 4:11 pm

Postcards from Crapsville again. Crime at the lowest level in a LONG time, teenage pregnancies down, fewer wars in the world than in the last 50 years, but the sky is falling, everybody buy more guns. ALERT! ALERT!

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GrandTango February 5, 2015 at 5:07 pm

The brutal are just as immoral in the lies they tell. Study Hitler and you will see the similarities. You think if you are dishonest about what you are….it does not exist.

Saluda Rapids February 5, 2015 at 5:18 pm

Tinfoil Boy brought our the daily Hitler reference. An absolute shocker you could not maintain your “blog.” Or is it a million blogs? LMAO!

euwe max February 6, 2015 at 4:20 am

It’s HUMANKIND related.

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what do you know about humankind – you hate almost all of them!

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euwe max February 6, 2015 at 4:19 am

I doubt it – the victim was a lebanese teacher.

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Libtard February 5, 2015 at 3:26 pm

Do you need a giant jump to conclusions mat? Shame on you all for making conclusions, here is what we know two people died, one the victim, the other, the perpetrator who took their own life. Have some respect for the dead before spinning this.

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GrandTango February 5, 2015 at 3:30 pm

There is a lot of truth in what you say. To hate God is to love death. And these people CERTAINLY hate (the true) God.

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Rocky February 5, 2015 at 3:34 pm

Allah?

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GrandTango February 5, 2015 at 3:36 pm

Obama?

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mrbraindead12 . February 5, 2015 at 3:44 pm

I don’t worship anyone, and I definitely see the corruption in politics, media, and elsewhere. Yet, I still don’t see any defining proof that there is (or isn’t) a deity. Thus, logically, it’s like Schrodinger’s cat: the cat in the box is both dead, and alive, and without proof and testing of all viable options you cannot know for sure and you cannot open the box. For me, blindly keeping faith in a deity and spending my time in church is no way to be constructive or helping in society. In fact, it’s actually closing me off from learning about all different cultures, and trying to understand and coordinate ideas that are able to help everyone, not just those whom you consider brothers in faith. It’s about being a broker, and bringing everyone together with conflicting ideologies and spiritualities and rising up against the forces that bring our fellow man down. Death is the void for which man has no knowing. Yet, to believe that a God would be so cruel as to punish the flawed man for his misgivings and send him into an eternity of fiery hell and damnation is nothing I want to be a part of.

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euwe max February 6, 2015 at 4:18 am

Well, you must admit, the concept of imperfect forms being modeled in the imagination by perfect ones is a useful one.

Limbaughsaphatkhunt February 5, 2015 at 5:36 pm

Akbar

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Limbaughsaphatkhunt February 5, 2015 at 5:21 pm

You’re right, conservatives have no business in a place of higher learning….

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euwe max February 6, 2015 at 4:17 am

Yes they do…

they’re there to occupy “no gun zones” for God, mother and country!

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Alen February 5, 2015 at 6:58 pm

This is probably what I would say if I was an Islamist.

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GrandTango February 5, 2015 at 3:07 pm

Our society is spiraling down the toilet, where life means nothing…and people are vested only in self, w/ no god, other than the pop culture icons and corrupt politicians who tell them there is a Utopia that you deserve.

When you have to face the reality that your deities are liars, failed and false… you are becoming unhinged…

Expect more, unfortunately..until we can get this country back…and restore some sense of order, respect and love for each other…instead of the selfish hate that passes for loyalty to country…

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Full of doo-doo February 5, 2015 at 3:16 pm

GrandTango, shut the hell up. Somebody has been murdered, and you come up with taking our country back, mixed with loyalty, and corrupt politicians. Pull your head out of your Fox News cavity.

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GrandTango February 5, 2015 at 3:27 pm

I don’t blame you for trying to separate yourself from it. That’s very common among you…..

And you commonly cast blame toward the people who tell you what you are..and what you represent…You don’t surprise me in the least.

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E Norma Scok February 5, 2015 at 3:34 pm

Just as you are doing, with your comment.

Like I’ve said, you just aren’t very smart.

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GrandTango February 5, 2015 at 3:37 pm

Big Difference: You’re related to it…I’m not…

E Norma Scok February 5, 2015 at 3:41 pm

Related to what? WTF are you talking about?
This is pretty much your std MO…either shout nonsense louder than everyone else, or just type gibberish.

GrandTango February 5, 2015 at 3:44 pm

The level of death, hate and disregard for morality is a direct result of the secular decay that is being perpetuated by idiots and liberals…

You are a liberal…and until we begin to turn you, and your leftwing ideology, back…our society will continue to suffer from the rot you represent….

E Norma Scok February 5, 2015 at 3:50 pm

Why do you say I am a liberal?

E Norma Scok February 5, 2015 at 6:29 pm

3 hours later..no answer. It’ll be 3 days, and there will be no answer. Why? Because anyone that doesn’t agree with the GT Bot is a liberal.

E Norma Scok February 5, 2015 at 10:23 pm

And 7 hours…no answer. Not that I expected it.

euwe max February 6, 2015 at 4:16 am

It’s pretty much Grand Tango and a few stragglers with alzheimers.

E Norma Scok February 5, 2015 at 3:17 pm

You should kill yourself now, and take yourself out of the misery of waiting for that free direct deposit check twice a month.

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GrandTango February 5, 2015 at 3:25 pm

Thanks for supporting what I said. You certainly fit the profile.

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E Norma Scok February 5, 2015 at 3:33 pm

Dude, if you are even a real person, are the only person I perpetually read on here with an anger and personality problem that believes anyone who doesn’t lockstep believe what you do is 100% wrong, and then gets angry about it enough to fake type curse words.

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GrandTango February 5, 2015 at 3:39 pm

I explain my points, VERY clearly and concisely….you just don’t like it…because you KNOW I’m right…

Bottom line: You think if you are told you are right…that makes it so…when I disprove that…it Pi$$#$ you off….

E Norma Scok February 5, 2015 at 3:48 pm

There’s not much you could do to piss me off-your opinion, if it even is yours (and that’s all it is.. an undereducated persons opinion), isn’t very important to anyone–but I’m sure you saw that from your “lackluster” blog hits. You tried it long enough to see that you were the only person who cared about, or agreed–with you.

Hell, I’m not even sure you are actually a real person anyway, and not some attempt by Fits (or someone) just to be ignorant and angry in an attempt to stir people up.

GrandTango February 5, 2015 at 4:07 pm

Hmmm…but you – and the most guilty – seem very affected by me, though…

E Norma Scok February 5, 2015 at 4:10 pm

For a reply bot, you’d be pretty good.

For an actual person, not so much.

BrigidBernadette February 5, 2015 at 4:35 pm

Says the sock puppet who tells him to go kill himself. You have zero self-awareness–therapists can help with that.

E Norma Scok February 5, 2015 at 4:50 pm

Yes, if he is that miserable and so sure the world will never end, maybe he’s better off checking out.

Sorry BB..so sock puppet here. But uninterestingly enough…you are probably one of his (if he is a real person).

BrigidBernadette February 5, 2015 at 5:16 pm

You are psychotic. Maybe everyone that disagrees with you is really GT in disguise! He is a real person, and I am a real person, and not the same person. He is a young man with a family, I am a 40-something woman with breast cancer. We agree on most things, but we are not the same person.

E Norma Scok February 5, 2015 at 6:28 pm

Its sad that if he is young, he is that bitter.

What does having breast cancer have anything to do with anything? Does that define you as a person?

BrigidBernadette February 5, 2015 at 7:06 pm

Since it took everything away from me: my career, my social life, my ability to leave the house, the constant pain, the isolation, for the past four years–right now unfortunately it does define me as a person. A sick person. Hopefully you or anyone you love will never have to know how this works–I wouldn’t wish it on my worst enemy–but it does reduce a person to a bed and a bathrobe. Christopher Hitchens wrote at length about it.

euwe max February 6, 2015 at 4:15 am

woah… hey.. i hope you get well!

My wife had breast cancer, but she beat it.

For us, it’s all about today.

Rakkasan February 5, 2015 at 5:01 pm

GT you are the Metallica of blogs. Step it up, just like they would: harder, faster, more often.

Little blue pills and your left hand will help

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Squishy123 February 5, 2015 at 3:15 pm

The first one wasn’t on campus, you might as well include murder-suicides in Irmo or Lexington if you want to sensationalize this.

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Rocky February 5, 2015 at 3:24 pm

Just a shame. Walked all those streets a thousand times in grad school, never felt unsafe. Late nights walking back down to Whaley from the library, and research centers. I’m sure we’ll discover it was some form of personal drama.

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Fecal Matters February 5, 2015 at 3:39 pm

When was that? Back in the 60s?

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Rocky February 5, 2015 at 3:53 pm

1990s ya little whipper snapper Now GET OFF MY LAWN. :)

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The Colonel February 5, 2015 at 5:43 pm

I do it daily

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Tunes'n'News February 5, 2015 at 3:32 pm

“As was the case in this week’s on-campus shooting, FITS was the first news outlet to raise the possibility of a murder-suicide related to the Copper Beech incident.”

You must be so proud. Sherlock Holmes or Johnny on the Spot?

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Fecal Matters February 5, 2015 at 3:40 pm

Hackatha Christie

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GrandTango February 5, 2015 at 3:35 pm

Check out Drudge right now. Obama is crucifying Christ all over again (Talkin’ Bout: “TERRIBLE DEEDS IN NAME OF CHRIST”)…. Yet he refuses to connect the most brutal murderers of our day committed in the name of their god.

That may hold your answer, if you are REALLY looking for one…

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Rocky February 5, 2015 at 3:36 pm

You realize of course the prophet Mohammed and Jesus Christ both ascended to Heaven in the same place right?

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GrandTango February 5, 2015 at 3:41 pm

You do know that Communism failed…

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Rocky February 5, 2015 at 3:55 pm

Certainly. I was the one who killed it.

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Rakkasan February 5, 2015 at 4:16 pm

Ronnie? Is that you? I knew you’d come back! I knew it!

TontoBubbaGoldstein February 5, 2015 at 8:23 pm

You do know that playing poker with Kenny Rogers gets pretty old, pretty fast…

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euwe max February 6, 2015 at 4:12 am

ah… but did you know Grand Tango can get 15% drunk in 15 minutes?

GrandTango February 6, 2015 at 11:48 am

But standing up against evil doesn’t.

euwe max February 6, 2015 at 4:13 am

yeah, but just like the Republicans and “trickle down,” they refuse to let go of their ideology.

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GrandTango February 6, 2015 at 11:41 am

Why is it the economy BOOMS under Republican leadership, and sucks under the Democrats???….Dumb@$$…

PS: The unemployment rate went up, it was announced today. More Obama failure…trickling down…

euwe max February 6, 2015 at 4:11 am

Yeah, but muhammad lost a finger on his way up.

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Rocky February 5, 2015 at 3:38 pm

Drudge – seriously? Drudge? To you follow RT too? Probably get a lot of good solid facts from there as well.

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GrandTango February 5, 2015 at 3:40 pm

Drudge posts headlines DUMB@$$. RT and FITS posts their own ignorance and stupidity…….Are you so stupid you don’t know the difference…???

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Rocky February 5, 2015 at 3:54 pm

No, I’m not so stupid to go out to Drudge. #)$%#)$*(%#

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BrigidBernadette February 5, 2015 at 4:32 pm

And that is why you don’t have a fucking clue what you are talking about. Try it sometime, you may raise your status from lo-info retard to citizen. But probably not. Another reason people use his site so heavily–he provides a couple of hundred links to just about every news site on the planet, from Islamic Republic Newswire to Xinhua to the AP, with no stupid ads and plug-ins. But stay in your ignorant bubble, none of the information could help your stupidity anyway.

vicupstate February 5, 2015 at 4:45 pm

Drudge is a nut job propaganda site. And yes, I have been on it.

BrigidBernadette February 5, 2015 at 5:07 pm

Been to Huffington Post? There can be left-leaning sites, but no right-leaning sites? And that link to People magazines story on Whitney Houston’s daughter is just pure propaganda!

By the way, NBC’s Brian Lyin’ Williams LIES about being in RPG fire in Iraq, linked to Washington Post’s coverage on Drudge–nothing but lies right? NBC news top anchor goes around lying for years, but we better not point that out, to do so would be nut job reporting. Right. If it is not to your taste, fine, you are free to read whatever you want, but things you don’t like, support, or agree with doesn’t make it nut job propaganda–what a puerile view of the world.

euwe max February 6, 2015 at 4:10 am

Been to Huffington Post? There can be left-leaning sites, but no right-leaning sites?

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spun through the AM dial recently?

Smirks February 5, 2015 at 4:47 pm

Try it sometime, you may raise your status from lo-info retard to citizen. But probably not.

i.e. GrandTango

It’s a site full of bullshit spin, not only do they only link to thinks that fits a conservative bias, they use rampant quote mining to generate fake headlines to over-sensationalize it, and shamelessly at that.

If someone has to explain that to you, though, you may want to rethink the “lo-info retard” insult.

he provides a couple of hundred links to just about every news site on the planet

So does Google News, except with 100% less bullshit.

Smirks February 5, 2015 at 4:42 pm

Drudge posts headlines DUMB@$$.

No they don’t, they make headlines up. You click half their links and the story it takes you to has a completely different headline.

Top “Headline”: ‘TERRIBLE DEEDS IN NAME OF CHRIST’

Actual Headline: Obama condemns those who seek to ‘hijack religion’

Fake headline quote-mined from:

Unless we get on our high horse and think that this is unique to some other place, remember that during the Crusades and Inquisition, people committed terrible deeds in the name of Christ

But context ruins the spin, doesn’t it?

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BrigidBernadette February 5, 2015 at 4:56 pm

The headline up right now has quotation marks around the direct quote from Obama’s statements this morning. He does not make them up in the manner you imply–that the headlines are false. They are not false as in untrue, he pulls out the newsworthy aspect and runs with it. Also called curating. Why is he the only site that people demand total ‘objectivity,’ while every other news outlet gets a pass? Because he threatens the establishment by posting the truth. CNN couldn’t even bring themselves to show the video of the Jordanian pilot being burned alive even though it was the top story yesterday, an omission that enables them avoid anything that threatens their left-wing narrative. But that’s ok?

GrandTango February 5, 2015 at 5:05 pm

Why do you always COWER from what you are..when it manifests???…OWN IT!!!!…even when the lights come on…

BrigidBernadette February 5, 2015 at 4:29 pm

Drudge is a news aggregator, he links to the NYTimes, CNN, Wash. Post, all of the links are to national and international news sites–you have obviously never visited the site. Matt Drudge is the most influential news site on the planet, millions of hits per month, per week. What is on Drudge today, will be on the MSM tomorrow. Shocking how uninformed people still are. Or do you think that he sets up fake mirror sites to the NY Times–one of the most frequent sites he links to–and populates it with his own stories? There are dumbasses out there who actually thinks that what he does! Same thing with Fox cable news–Mara Liasson has been at NPR since 1985 and at Fox since 1997, and she on both daily. Do you think that when she wraps up her NPR congressional reports and walks across the street to her nightly gig on Fox, that she morphs into another person? so so dumb.

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Turd in the Punch Bowl February 5, 2015 at 3:57 pm

What in the holy fuck does this have to do with a murder suicide at the University of South Carolina

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E Norma Scok February 5, 2015 at 4:00 pm

Absolutely nothing.

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GrandTango February 5, 2015 at 4:05 pm

The fact that you are oblivious to who, and what, you are…proves my point…

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Turd in the Punch Bowl February 5, 2015 at 9:08 pm

I fail to see a connection to Obama and a random murder suicide over a domestic issue at the flagship university in South Carolina. I don’t like Obama and I don’t like random murder suicides, but the two are not connected.

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GrandTango February 6, 2015 at 11:47 am

Most Dumb@$$#$ have trouble connecting the dots to the secular humanism they’ve been taught as gospel…and the politicians who perpetuate it…Just consider yourself a Dumb@$$…

Rakkasan February 5, 2015 at 4:14 pm

Problem with truth? Wait. Sorry, I forgot it was you for a sec

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BrigidBernadette February 5, 2015 at 5:13 pm

False moral equivalence is the left’s stock in trade. Transparently absurd isn’t it GT.

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GrandTango February 5, 2015 at 5:26 pm

Well said Brigid. Pretend is what they must do to keep their minds from rotting, completely.

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BrigidBernadette February 5, 2015 at 5:29 pm

Hey T, I was out of action for months, but I am back up and madder than hell. Oh but wait, we are the same person, right? So you already knew that. lulz

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GrandTango February 5, 2015 at 6:10 pm

I am and I do!!! (:

euwe max February 6, 2015 at 4:09 am

glad to see you back.. are you up to pinching pennies strength?

euwe max February 6, 2015 at 4:08 am

False moral equivalence
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woo hoo! talk about coopted phrases!

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yeah yeah yeah February 5, 2015 at 3:54 pm

Toot your own horn often? I heard this on my scanner app on my iphone as it unfolded.
What was that you once claimed that you don’t follow the “if it bleeds it leads” MSM methodology of reporting. Looks like you’ve changed your attitude.

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BrigidBernadette February 5, 2015 at 4:37 pm

Because you being ‘first’ is so much more important than the event itself.

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Bible Thumper February 5, 2015 at 5:42 pm

I’m going to give Fits credit, since it was a safety emergency. But he does like to toot his own horn.

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euwe max February 6, 2015 at 4:08 am

is ‘toot’ the right word to use there?

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euwe max February 5, 2015 at 5:02 pm

if only she had been armed.

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a February 5, 2015 at 5:38 pm

Exactly

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euwe max February 6, 2015 at 4:07 am

I can just all the students running towards the gun fire, blasting away at anyone coming the other way!

All trained, at the peak of alertness, of course.

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Limbaughsaphatkhunt February 5, 2015 at 5:17 pm

Guns, deaths, mourn…rinse…repeat…

Guns, deaths, mourn…rinse…repeat…

Main thing is, let’s not do anything about gun control though.

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a February 5, 2015 at 5:37 pm

Guns don’t kill ppl its the person behind it.

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Limbaughsaphatkhunt February 5, 2015 at 5:42 pm

Ahhhh….the heady aroma of NRA bullshit.

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Bible Thumper February 5, 2015 at 6:10 pm

Why didn’t it work? You think that if he would read the law, he would of obeyed?

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SausageAway February 5, 2015 at 6:28 pm

no gun = no gun deaths.

The Colonel February 5, 2015 at 6:37 pm

No alcohol and no cars equals no drunk driving deaths. Wanna guess which killed more people last year?

SausageAway February 5, 2015 at 7:17 pm

no gins = no gun deaths.

euwe max February 6, 2015 at 4:06 am

So… you’re saying lets start a national campaign to switch from alcohol to marijuana?

So that at least we can end the deaths caused by cirrhosis?

BrigidBernadette February 5, 2015 at 6:55 pm

No relationships means no CDV. No children means no child abuse.

SausageAway February 5, 2015 at 7:16 pm

no guns = no gun deaths.

You Know My Name February 5, 2015 at 7:23 pm

Would a death by any other means (say, a machete) have been any less tragic?

SausageAway February 5, 2015 at 10:24 pm

no guns = no gun deaths.

You Know My Name February 6, 2015 at 8:38 am

Again, would these deaths by some other means (say, a bomb) have been somehow less tragic? Please explain how the friends and family of the deceased would have been comforted if death had been brought about with edged weapons, explosives, or maybe poison.

euwe max February 6, 2015 at 2:33 pm

Again, would these deaths by some other means (say, a bomb) have been somehow less tragic?

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bomb-free zones are the problem with that little twist of logic, now aren’t they?

euwe max February 6, 2015 at 2:32 pm

no education means no liberals.

Bible Thumper February 5, 2015 at 8:03 pm

Ban on guns doesn’t mean criminals won’t get guns. Law abiding people won’t have guns.

SausageAway February 5, 2015 at 10:23 pm

no guns= no gun deaths.

Bible Thumper February 6, 2015 at 6:00 am

Your truism don’t solve anything.
No alcohol no drunk driving deaths.
There is no such law that will ever get gun out of the hands of criminals. If you do what next? No knives, no knife deaths. Your continued repeated “No guns = no gun death” doesn’t address how you get rid of guns. Prohibition didn’t get rid of alcohol. The drug war hadn’t gotten rid of drugs. What’s the benefit of dying by knife wound instead of a gun? But then I must be foolish to think you could offer any reasonable logic to this issue.

euwe max February 6, 2015 at 2:30 pm

What’s the benefit of dying by knife wound instead of a gun?

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are we talking about a high-powered knife here? Range of 1 mile? Is this a single-shot bolt action knife, a semi-automatic, or a full auto knife? What’s the muzzle velocity, and the foot-pounds delivered at impact? Is it a hollow point blade with an exploding tip? Can it be fitted with a 16 power scope? How many kindergarten kids can you kill with it in 5 minutes? Does it enter like a dime and come out like a cash register?

I just want to make sure how much fire power we’re talking about here.

euwe max February 6, 2015 at 4:05 am

That is *so* not true… even if there were no guns, there would still be gun deaths!

euwe max February 6, 2015 at 4:04 am

It’s a shame it gets all complicated by the presence of the gun… people focus on that instead of the nutcase that’s using it.

If people would just ignore the gun…

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Bible Thumper February 5, 2015 at 6:02 pm

They have gun control.

Places Off-Limits Even With A Permit/License
Section 23-31-215 (M).
(5) school or college athletic event not related to firearms;

Section 16-23-420. (A) It is unlawful for a person to possess a firearm of any kind on any premises or property owned, operated, or controlled by a private or public school, college, university, technical college, other post-secondary institution, or in any publicly-owned building, without the express permission of the authorities in charge of the premises or property. The provisions of this subsection related to any premises or property owned, operated, or controlled by a private or public school, college, university, technical college, or other post-secondary institution, do not apply to a person who is authorized to carry a concealed weapon pursuant to Article 4, Chapter 31, Title 23 when the weapon remains inside an attended or locked motor vehicle and is secured in a closed glove compartment, closed console, closed trunk, or in a closed container secured by an integral fastener and transported in the luggage compartment of the vehicle.”

Gosh! Wonder why it din’T work. Always seems to happen at places that guns are banned. Fools.

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Bible Thumper February 5, 2015 at 9:09 pm

I read the article. I don’t dispute most of it. I do find it amusing that David Hemenway, a professor of Health Policy at the Harvard School of Public Health, disputes the validity of previous data on defensive use of guns based on the theory of “social desirability bias”. He believes that gun owners lied in surveys in order to justify themselves. Interesting theory: probably true. But let me ask you this. What would Professor Hemenway’s “social desirability” be among his Harvard colleagues be if he defended gun ownership? Do you think he might have his own “bias”? Wouldn’t he be more eager to find incidents of over counting successful use of guns for self defense? He might be hesitate in finding possible under counts. That is if he wishes popularity and respect from his peers.

I can think of one category of under counts that is never considered in his research. How about the crimes that were never committed because the perpetrator suspected the prospective victim possessed a gun? That is never considered. The hope of most gun owners is that they never have to use it. They often buy a gun because they are in greater danger to begin with, but does gun ownership reduce that danger of a criminal act ever happening? Does the perception of wide spead gun ownership reduce crime?

Crime rates have declined since the late seventies. This may have many reasons: Higher incarceration, demographics, and smarter policing, but higher gun ownership might also be a factor.

Also, I often here of gun control advocates use Europe or Japan as an example of successful gun control. But America has a different history and culture. I don’t believe gun control will successfully keep guns out of criminals possession and will make criminals out of some formerly law abiding citizens who will continue to get guns. Criminals with guns will be more brazen in there use of guns because of the presumption that the victim is unarmed.

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euwe max February 6, 2015 at 4:03 am

No one has ever died from an overdose of marijuana, but I don’t hear the Republicans clamoring for everyone to switch to it from alcohol!

Bible Thumper February 6, 2015 at 6:34 am

There have been deaths from edible marijuana edibles.
http://topekasnews.com/edible-marijuana-candies-kill-9-colorado-12-coachella/
How about these 16 deaths from a train crew on marijuana?
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1987_Maryland_train_collision

euwe max February 6, 2015 at 8:30 am

so… you’re going to claim whenever a person dies doing something stupid, it was the caffeinated beverage he drank shortly before, that actually caused his death?

Um.. that’s not how you attribute death from a substance. If you don’t die from a lethal dose, or by the accumulated deterioration of your health – it’s not the substance that killed you.

When someone dies from alcohol poisoning, it’s considered an overdose that killed him.

Science has a method for measuring lethal dose… it’s called LD50. Marijuana does not have a lethal dose.

When someone drinks alcohol and gets into a gun fight and loses, it’s not counted as “death by alcohol.”

You might try using common sense when you’re trying to defend hysterical, unfounded fear… it won’t look as bad.

Bible Thumper February 6, 2015 at 9:09 am

Completely ignore the marijuana extract edible overdoses.

euwe max February 6, 2015 at 9:18 am

You have links to people who died of overdoses?

euwe max February 6, 2015 at 2:23 pm

You really should check your sources. I did, and I could not find one documented death due to ingestion of pot.

The claims all boil down to “he ingested THC adding up to 6 joints!’… and no deaths, save from jumping out of windows or getting in a wreck.. which is *not* an overdose.

Don’t let your bias make you claim stupid shit.

euwe max February 6, 2015 at 4:02 am

Maybe a choke-point entry with a metal detector and an armed guard?

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jonn Lott February 6, 2015 at 7:24 am

Drones

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You Know My Name February 5, 2015 at 7:05 pm

By legal mandate, USC is a Gun Free Zone. Please tell me again how much good that did in this case.

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Limbaughsaphatkhunt February 5, 2015 at 7:09 pm Reply
You Know My Name February 5, 2015 at 10:03 pm

Ahhhh…. the heady aroma of anti-gun propaganda. Of course, the authors of this piece would NEVER be guilty of the same or similar exaggerations as they accuse pro-gunners of.

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Limbaughsaphatkhunt February 5, 2015 at 10:24 pm

Not really. The guns n’ ammo lobby have the NRA and most of congress all sewn up.

Unless you consider public health to be a lobbying group

euwe max February 6, 2015 at 4:02 am

You know what your problem is?

You don’t have enough guns!

euwe max February 6, 2015 at 4:01 am

You know, you’re right… I could kill a person with a bucket of water… or a fountain pen… and those aren’t regulated….

…at all.

euwe max February 6, 2015 at 4:00 am

you forgot …buy more guns…

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jonn Lott February 6, 2015 at 7:22 am

You probably think that taking cars away will stop D.U.I

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SausageAway February 5, 2015 at 6:28 pm

hey gun nuts, the first step to solving your problem is admitting you have a problem.
Guns are the problem.

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george February 5, 2015 at 11:08 pm

Actually, sin is the problem.

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SausageAway February 6, 2015 at 12:16 am

sin with gun.

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euwe max February 6, 2015 at 4:00 am

guns don’t kill people – the devil does.

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You Know My Name February 6, 2015 at 8:51 am

Actually I DO have a problem and I admit it. There are just more guns that I want than I have money with which to purchase them. Hopefully, my tax refund check will allow me to buy a couple of them, appropriate holsters, and ammo for both.
:-)

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idcydm February 6, 2015 at 10:06 am

For the life of me I don’t understand why anyone responds to GrandTango.

Some times I swear GrandTango is FITS increasing his hits.

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Squishy123 February 6, 2015 at 4:26 pm

I’m relieved to hear that gun used in the murder-suicide has been located. I was afraid that the shooter hid it after committing suicide. Another top notch article in The State.

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