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S.C. Rep. Bill Chumley (R-Spartanburg) and State Senator Lee Bright (R-Spartanburg) are the lead sponsors of legislation which seeks to nullify Obamacare in South Carolina. And when we say nullify, we mean not only block its enforcement – we mean arrest and imprisonment for any federal or state official who attempts to enforce it.
Under the legislation, Obamacare “is invalid in this State, is not recognized by this State, is specifically rejected by this State, and is null and void and of no effect in this State.”
Furthermore, any federal employee attempting to enforce the law “is guilty of a felony and, upon conviction, must be fined not more than five thousand dollars, or imprisoned not more than five years,” while any state employee attempting to enforce the law “is guilty of a misdemeanor and, upon conviction, must be fined not more than one thousand dollars or imprisoned not more than two years.”
Wowzas, right? These guys aren’t playing around … which is precisely the impression they’re going for.
So … do we have a problem with this ultimately symbolic stand against U.S. President Barack Obama’s socialized medicine monstrosity? Of course not … however we want to make sure every South Carolina lawmaker who supports this legislation also votes against the Medicaid expansion associated with Obamacare.
That’s where the rubber meets the road with regard to this abomination … not the “nullification circus.” The U.S. Supreme Court has ruled South Carolina can reject most of the new spending associated with this law – and while we have no problem with the nullification solution, it cannot be adopted at the expense of rejecting this Medicaid money.
To grandstand against Obamacare on the one hand while profiting from it on the other would be astoundingly hypocritical … even by S.C. political standards … although as we’ve seen in years past such hypocrisy is par for the course among South Carolina “Republicans.”
Don’t get us wrong … as government at all levels veers further to the left, we’re going to be encouraging more radical measures to protect liberty, property and (what’s left of) prosperity in this nation . And that includes supporting legislation like the nullification bill sponsored by Chumley and Bright. But lawmakers cannot reject Obamacare on the one hand and take its money on the other …
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Behind you 100%. Keep up the good work!
Nope, sorry you’re wrong. This is aggressively stupid.
One more reason why the US should expel SC. America would be better off.
. . .any federal employee attempting to enforce the law “is guilty of a felony . . .
. . . any state employee attempting to enforce the law “is guilty of a misdemeanor. . . ”
Difference does not mean much in SC, where ‘felonies’ have to be specified in state law. We at one time had “misdemeanors” in the old narcotic act which carried 20 year sentences. Still some long “misdemeanor” sentences scattered throughout the SC Code.
Fed law is nice and neat: “Felony” is any crime for which one MAY be sentenced to “more than one year” for committing (actual sentence may be less than a year, but if the crime CARRIES the sentence of more than one year, it’s automatically a felony). A “misdemeanor” under Federal law is any crime which carries a sentence of a year or less. Hence, the sentence of “a year and a day” to create the appearance of a felony, used in many states other than SC.
Ask John Jenrette about the difference.
And yet again South Carolina goes out of its way to retain the title..”striving for dead last in the nation..watch out Mississippi !”
Does Mississippi have a Senator “Not So Bright?”
Unfortunately, the Brights and Chumlees of our state give the rest of us a bad name. What a couple of “morans.”
But damn, it would be entertaining to watch us try to arrest a federal employee for filling out an Obamacare form.
Dumbfucks. Read Article VI of the U.S. Constitution. How much in legal fees will S.C. waste litigating and losing over this “none-too-Bright” idea?
It will never pass, so there will be no litigation. While our General Assembly has plenty of fools and crooks, I don’t think as a whole they are THAT stupid.
A close call,but you are probably right!
Yes, looks like we’re jumping back in the Delorean clown car heading back the 1830s with all the people who missed SC History in 8th graded.
Somewhere John C. Calhoun is smiling.
And Strom Thurmond as well!!!!!!!!!!!
In the End….FITS Bashes these Republicans (who I Champion) so he can get in bed w/ his lord and master, Obama…
F&*k you FITS..it’s because of failed idiots like you and Sanford, that the left has be able to sell your piece of $#!t known as Obaama..
You trying to advise South Carolinaians on ObamaCare is like Hitler telling the Jews what to do about the Palistininans….
They’d have to be Dumb@$$#$ to listen…
Can’t shake that Hitler fetish, can you? All you Tea Bag knuckle draggers are the same.
Are you the “Best and Brightest” the media always tells us about liberals???
If so, no wonder it’s so easy to fool you dumb@$$#$…You may be the most Brain Dead F*#k going….
you mean fooled like guaranteeing a Bachman, Perry, Gingrich, and finally a Romney win, a GOP sweep of the senate etc….you mean like that kind of head so far up his own ass he tastes last nights dinner kinda fooled?
T’s record of prognostications rivals the record of the Washington Generals. Remember when they used to get beat all of the time by the Globetrotters? And they were as buffoonish as T as well.
Although one time in a game the Generals got a lead late and the Globetrotters couldn’t catch up and they ended up losing. Kids were crying in the stands.
There are a bunch of medicare seniors bussing down from the Upstate to have a nullification rally on the statehouse too.
The Supreme Court said F^&k the Constitution. The media Lied about the unemployment rate. Obama said the mess he’s made w/ the economy is Bush’s fault…
Obama said he would not raise taxes. He said he’d cut the debt in half….etc…. Lie after lie..and he still get s re-elected…
So if reality is meaningless, why shouldn’t these guys tell Obama to Cram ObamaCare up his lying @$$….
If you have no rules, or adherence to honor or the truth…why should we play along…and pay for your F%^k ups, too…
PS: Obama hates the military…so what’s that Wimp gone do about it???…Send the Nsty Guard on us…Who do you think they (and the Army) will side with….???
looks like someone has spilled santorium all over themselves..another great future prediction from the asshole who is 0-64 in the last elections..i honestly think he feels someone out there places value in his comments and that he isnt the total asshole he has always been told he was..well some news for ya Sarah (big T) you are that asshole and you couldnt pick a winner in a one horse race as proven over and over..so why do you keep posting shit that just makes you look like an even larger asshole (if possible) and the added bonus of having everyone laugh at you? do you enjoy being the laughing stock on this site..the village idiot..our own little Sarah palin? because you sure dont get one ounce of respect..probably just like your home life i imagine
Not only are your the “Supreme Head” of the KKK. You are the “SUPREME ASSHOLE”.
“PS: Obama hates the military…so what’s that Wimp gone do about it???…Send the Nsty Guard on us…Who do you think they (and the Army) will side with….???”
You in the millitary, Pudgy? You have any real proof Obama hates us?
Bush sent us into two stupidass wars…No WMDs in Iraq, how many died? You POS needs a damn boot dance on your fucking head. Actually, you should be charged with treason and shot.
I hope they pass it, it gets stomped in federal court almost immediately, and it makes it all the way to SCOTUS so John Roberts gets another chance to troll the GOP. Can’t wait for another “he must be off his meds” rant from Michael Savage.
Sorry, not “off his meds,” but “his meds must have made him loopy.”
This proposed SC legislation is idiotic. But it doesn’t change the fact that Roberts sold us out by greatly expanding the taxing power of the Constitution beyond which it was ever intended. To Roberts, the ends justified the means.
Which law firms are most likely to profit from this political folly?
What a joke this state is……it’s like our state officials lay awake at night thinking up new ways to appear stupid!!!!
Again: What the F*@k is Obama gonna do in states like SC, Texas, Wyoming or Tennessee???…who tell him to CRAM it…
We’ll just tell that idiot to Get F*#ked…and he has no recourse…
No force (the military) will listen to him…They HATE him.
The media and the leftwingers have ignored reality..and done quite well w/ it..
Why the F*^k should us people who make the country work, and pay the bills, abide by the will of the Takers and failures…????
Big T is John Gault now, carrying the weight of the world for us takers. Strange he has time to posts hundreds of times a day while working as a titan of industry.
By the way, Sock Puppet, this isn’t unprecedented territory. You think the National Guard will rise up against the Federal Government in a coup to keep people from getting health insurance? Man, that’s funny.
That makes 2 Chumleys that I am aware of, this one and the one on Pawn Stars. I think the one in SC is the 2nd brightest of the 2
Sherman’s greatest failure – he didn’t destroy the entire state to the ground and march all the inhabitants to the Mexican border.
Oh no, he meant to leave us be. You can rebuild after a fire, but you can’t fix stupid.
Self-loathing South Carolinians are so annoying.
That means you, Stephan.
I LMAO @ the letfwing idiots: The GOP has played by the media’s rules, yet they got steam-rolled by an America-hating, Most-Failed Charlatan President…
Why not just say: Kiss My @$$, Obama…and let Republicans govern for only the responsible Americans…???
The Left D@*n sure ain’t gone do nothin’ about it…but play the role of P#$$y like they are…
What’s FITS gone do: Sling his Keyboard at us???
Again: Obama is F#(ked…if we just ignore him….
Big day for BigT: Said the same goddamn thing three or more times on every fucking post. Get back to work tomorrow, okay?
Little bitty tea bagger is a chickenhawk, no more, no less. She claimed to have served and then admitted she hadn’t. Now, she just rages at reality, barking at the moon for reflecting light on her idiocy.
Never been to this site before, but I’m wondering why there are so many leftists posting here??? I’m confused….
It’s the HuffPo and Soros crowd. $0.25 per post and they get to watch you tube and collect welfare all day.
You get used to it.
Have a Great Day!! :) There won’t be many left with the Demlicans and Republicrats in charge.
Now that the site’s constitutional scholar, Big T, has weighed in, we now know that any state can nullify any federal law it doesn’t like.
I can’t see any problems with this constitutional arrangement. Does this mean we can stop pay federal taxes if it passes the state legislature?
I think these guys are onto something…I’m !,000 percent behind them…F&*k FITS Sissy @$$..
A few men took this country from Elitist Tyrants who tried to enslave us…
As it is now: We have a Worthless Regime, that is Anti-America, dishonest and Good For Nothing…except lies and propaganda…
Every Leftist from Mahr to Rather and FITS to Maddow claims to be a Revolutionary…when in reality they are all just weak P*$$!#$ and pack-think lemmings…
Let’s show you pieces of $#!* what Revolution is…
I’d back any and EVERY Republican that Nullifies Obama…and Dares that Worthles piece of $#!* to try me…
I’d LOVE to Force the Left to Take what the media and the courts have stolen for them…
I bet a lot of you Sissy-@$$ punks would turn like the Slimey Cowards you are..if you actually had to earn the $#!* you’ve been given by Leftist Theives…
You do know the British could have beaten the Americans if they really wanted to. The Brits were involved in three major wars at the time and was really no profit to be had at that point. Maybe if you spent more time learning instead of ranting like an idiot, you would get it too.
Yeah and Clemson could’ve beaten Carolina the lasty 4 years if they were not a bunch of sisssy punks..
What should we do, you leftwing P*$$y…give the country back to them???
Again: I LMAO. If we had politicians who would be REAL Americans…not the dumbed-down version like G.I. Blow…we’d have Obama not sure if he should $#!* or wind his wrist watch….
Hopefully these guys are moving toward telling the liberals to KISS our @$$#$…we’re going to break the rules…and tell them to Suck it….
I think BigT is saving his posts to have them published – some suggested titles:
“How to Avoid Slipping into Lifelong Obscurity”
“Avarice in Action or The Rich Get Richer and the Poor Get Plastic Drapes”
“Dumbbell People in a Barbell World”
“Proper English for You and I or I Seen Good Books Ruined by Pretentious Syntax”
“Imus in the Morning Meets BigT in the Flesh”
What I love: FITS, and his minions, pride themselves w/ claims to be such a non-conventional ‘mavericks’…
But this Nullification Genius FITS and Co. wringing their effeminate little fingers….
Again: The Bill Mahrs and Jamie Foxes fancy themselves radicals…but they are really just comfort-creature drones…
These two Republicans are REAL Radicals. Real leaders…Truly flying in the face of Elitist Conformity…
And look at the sissy little wannbe-different, Liberals S#!tt!#g all over themselves at the prospect of TRUE American Rebellion…
You’re all the Fake little dull, unimaginative punks I said you are……
Sorry – I thought that “The Last Angry Man” was a fictional film.
Aha, JJ! I think BigT shot himself buffing his “gun.”
Two things that will never attend a Mensa meeting: Big T and any South Carolina politician.
One true thing I’ve observed about most liberals…They Desperetly want to be a part of some movement.
A cause takes them beyond their own Dullness and Boring little suburb lives. Liberals will try to suffer for what Blacks tell them, or now it’s the Gays F*(king them in the @$$ with tales of discrimination…
But now here’s a chance to be REALLY brave. To fight for a truly Heroic cause vs true enemies of Freedom….A chance to oppose an ACTUAL Tyrant named Obama…
And these Stupid MotherF#(K#&$ are too stupid and too coward to see it…
Liberals on the WRONG side…yet again….
once again you got some santorium on your chin..isnt Joe there to help you wipe it off?
I wonder what Big T(urd) was like before his lobotomy?
I can’t see anything wrong with your plan Big T. I think SC should pass this law, and raise a volunteer police force to enforce it. You have gun’s right? You would be willing to take your guns into federal office buildings and arrest federal employees, right? I am sure Mr. Chumley and Mr. Bright will be there with their guns to back you up.
With the Tea Party providing the gun power, there should be little cost to the taxpayers of SC. So, please proceed. I am anxious to see how this works out. You will need to identify yourself however, so that I can see if you are truly willing to follow through with your promise or you are just another blow hard.
My bet is on cowardly blow hard.
Can’t believe you guys take him so seriously. Dude is a apex troll.
“an apex troll,” that is.
Don’t sweat the grammar nazi’s, the last time that crap went round just about everyone got their feelings hurt…lol
Damn lot of HufPo’s on this page. I like the law. Hell yes I’d volunteer to arrest the feds.
Have a Great Day!! :) There won’t be many left with the Demlicans and Republicrats in charge.
The smart Republicans will position themselves as ANTI-Obama as possible right now…
This crap will Collpase all on these Leftwing Extremists….there’s no way it can’t. Obama has done nothing to build this ocuntry…
Haley is making a lot of political cache by opposing Everything Obama…(and jobs are coming based on her resistence to Obama)…
One of the SC GOP House Caucus inititiaves is to FIGHT ObamaCare, because they know what a Total Disaster it is for the economy and free will of South Carolinains…
To put Anti-Obama sentiment into OVERDRIVE the ingenious politcally in a state that does not like Obama…and will HATE him when it just gets worse because of him….
Hasn’t SC been here before? Many years ago a great Southerner, and SC native, said:
“Nullification means insurrection and war; and the other states have a right to put it down.” I’m not certain the other states would care so much now. Keep in mind SC receives $2.13 in benefits for every $1.00 paid in federal taxes (based on 2010 IRS data). The other states might just say — “Let ’em go.” How does nullification help us?
Who knows if it would benefit or hurt SC and when/how.
Lot’s of unanswered questions there.
That being said, Andrew Jackson made a mistake: it is the Feds that initiate putting down nullification.
Even further, him being a “native” is suspect:
“But he may have claimed to be a South Carolinian because the state was considering nullification of the Tariff of 1824, which Jackson opposed. In the mid-1850s, second-hand evidence indicated that he may have been born at a different uncle’s home in North Carolina.” via Wiki.
The notion of state sovereignty or this idea that the United States is a voluntary union,or the states have rights via the 10th amendment really needs to be dispensed with. It has no accuracy as to the reality of things.
It would be a lot easier if we just went ahead and did away with all the borders of all the states and just called the country “America” instead of pretending the state boundries have any kind of lasting power. Watching any attempts to retain such right slowly erode away over time is nothing but a waste of time/money anyway.
Onward and upward to bigger things I say!
If y’all want a REALLY good laugh, check out the SpartanburgTea Party site sometime!!!
They’ve been taking Viagra for two weeks just to get ready for their annual “Going to Columbia to raise Hell” orgasim
That Lee Bright is such a dipshit………..
All the shit we’ve got going on and he wastes time with this shit…..
I knew there is a reason check in with FITS!!
South Carolina has more than its fair share of idiots – and they vote for even bigger idiots.
Obama is a bully. All bullies fold up when you intimidate them back. Conservatives need to stand up. Use nullification to give the bully a black eye…