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Massive Energy Rate Hike Rocks Clinton

200-225 PERCENT RATE INCREASES HAVE RESIDENTS STEAMING MAD …  || By FITSNEWS || It’s been a hot, muggy summer … resulting in higher energy costs for consumers all over the Southeast.  But in one small South Carolina town, these rate hikes have gotten ridiculous. We’re talking about 200-225 percent increases in…

200-225 PERCENT RATE INCREASES HAVE RESIDENTS STEAMING MAD … 

|| By FITSNEWS || It’s been a hot, muggy summer … resulting in higher energy costs for consumers all over the Southeast.  But in one small South Carolina town, these rate hikes have gotten ridiculous.

We’re talking about 200-225 percent increases in energy bills from one month to the next … astronomical increases that far exceed the impact of the higher temperatures.

This disconnect has resulted in a new kind of heat … the kind generated by popular outrage.

Clinton, S.C. is a town of roughly 9,000 people located in the Upstate region of the Palmetto State.  Incorporated in 1852, it was named after Henry Clinton Young – an attorney who laid out its streets.

On a balmy Monday evening this week, dozens of town residents gathered to voice their discontent with soaring energy bills.

BOB McLEAN
BOB McLEAN

“There are citizens who have seen significant increases in their power bill, and there are businesses which have considered leaving due to the increasing electric rates,” said Clinton mayor Bob McLean.  “Over the course of the next month, I along with other members of (town) council, will investigate this spike in electricity, and will map out a way to help cut our losses and reduce rates going forward.”

From June to July, the average increase for city power customers was between 200-225 percent according to a source familiar with the rate hikes.

“Most of the local mom and pop businesses are affected, with some even stating that they may close their doors,” the source said.

For those of you keeping score at home, the median annual household income in Clinton is less than $28,000 – well below South Carolina’s abysmal rate of $44,163 (which is itself one of the lowest rates in the nation).

In other words these are people who cannot afford to pay such exorbitant rate increases.

FRANK STOVALL
FRANK STOVALL

Clinton’s city manger Frank Stovall has tried to pass the rate hikes off on hot temperatures.

“That’s B.S.,” our source said.

People who live outside the city limits (and receive their energy from a local cooperative as opposed to the city’s provider) saw monthly bills in the neighborhood of $250- $350.  City of Clinton residents?  Their bills fell in the $450-$900 range.

So if not higher temps … what’s driving the discrepancy?

“What Stovall didn’t tell people is that they are using funds from the electric bills to cover the cost of water and sanitation services, two departments (which) are operating at a loss,” our source said.

Mayor McLean referenced these two departments in his comments regarding the rate hike fiasco, saying they needed to become “self-sufficient.”

Unfortunately, McLean only has two members of Clinton’s city council supporting his efforts.  Stovall has four backing him – giving him a governing majority.

So … how will the simmering drama ultimately play out?

That remains to be seen …

If the town of Clinton wants to stay in business, though, its leaders should probably consider that whole “self-sufficiency” thing for its money-losing departments rather than sticking cash-strapped residents and businesses with ever-escalating bills they can’t afford to pay.

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95 comments

CorruptionInColumbia August 4, 2015 at 8:19 pm

Cue the pic of the famous sign pointing to Clinton in one direction and Prosperity in the opposite direction.

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Will Folks aka Sic August 4, 2015 at 8:30 pm

Should have read “Bush/ Obama” in one direction. Things were actually pretty prosperous under Clinton – although his admin sure as hell inflated that low income housing bubble.

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U R Fucking Ignorant August 4, 2015 at 10:42 pm

Clinton was a Fuck up until the Republican Revolution swept in and Newt slapped the shit out of him. Clinton, unlike Obama, at least cared enough about the country to follow orders.

And America was as prosperous as it has ever been “W” under Bush. Rising salaries, full-employment and lots of opportunity, even though Bush had to deal with enemies clinton ignored to the tune of 9-11.

It’s myth-minded idiots like you, who believe it because Chris Matthews tells it to you. You would not know a good economy from the shriveled up inchworm you call your dick.

And you’re the fucking reason the Democrats are able to peddle their lies and Bullshit. As long as there are Dumbasses, like you, we’ll get fuck ups like Obama in office. Thanks a lot, asshole.

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CorruptionInColumbia August 5, 2015 at 12:04 am

A least Will’s blog is still up and running so you have somewhere to go to.

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Follower August 5, 2015 at 7:58 am

WTF are you talking about, you corrupt lemming Dumbass?

vicupstate August 5, 2015 at 8:28 am

You are so full of shit.

Clinton RAISED taxes and the Deficit was already falling BEFORE the 1994 elections.

Unemployment rose for the duration of Bush’s term. The budget surplus he inherited disappeared, and was replaced with the largest deficits experienced up to that time. Just as he left, the economy fell off a cliff.

http://visualeconomics.creditloan.com/a-decade-of-unemployment/

Get a fucking clue, nut job.

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dwb619 August 4, 2015 at 10:52 pm

DAMN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I AGREE W/FITS

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erneba August 4, 2015 at 10:54 pm

And that problem caused by the Clinton administration manifested itself during the Bush administration in the form of the housing collapse, leading to a recession on the general economy.

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euwe max August 4, 2015 at 11:35 pm

Bush ran on collapsing the housing market.

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vicupstate August 5, 2015 at 8:21 am

So even though the crash happened literally as Bush was exiting the White House (after eight years), it was Clinton’s fault the bubble occurred and his fault that it busted?

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erneba August 5, 2015 at 9:10 am

Yes…

In 1995 Clinton loosened housing rules by rewriting the Community Reinvestment Act, which put added pressure on banks to lend in low-income neighborhoods which eventually caused the housing market failure.
For every action, there is a reaction, it may take time, but it happens.

sparklecity August 5, 2015 at 10:15 am

After what, 13 fucking years????
But it only took less than 3 years for the economy to turn around under Reagan – then it went to shit under Bush 1 late 1991 early 1992.
So let me get this straight……. it went to shit under Carter (no doubt), recovered quick as shit under Reagan, then went to shit under Bush 1 – around 4 years of Reagan leaving office (by your logic, it was Reagan’s fault for that) Then got better under Clinton…then went to shit under Bush II near the end of his second term (which was Clinton’s fault)
I have absolutely no doubt that you are delusional as hell…
One other no bullshit true thing:
I distinctly remember your Rush Limpballs (when there was concern over people utilizing credit so loosely under Bush II administration) saying that people were using credit so frequently because they were CONFIDENT in the economy.
As a fiscal CONSERVATIVE I remember thinking “that fat SOB is full of shit and is lying for his team big time”
Funny how I remember shit like that……….
It could be a gift, I don’t know………….

erneba August 5, 2015 at 10:32 am

You need to go take a pill, you have gone non-linear.
I did not even finish reading your post…go smack a wall with your fist, kick your car, do something before you have a heart attack to complement that case of the gout.
Your self-induced agony is not worth the pain.
Get well soon.

sparklecity August 5, 2015 at 10:51 am

You just can’t face the truth and process only what you want to see, hear and read and can’t process it logically (which is linear)

erneba August 5, 2015 at 10:59 am

I’m not being rude. You’re just insignificant

sparklecity August 5, 2015 at 1:46 pm

You really need to quit looking at yourself in the mirror when you utter musings like that…………..

sparklecity August 5, 2015 at 10:55 am

That is the exact mindset of the communists during the Soviet Union times.
Whenever someone questioned authority they were deemed mentally ill and put away.
No difference in your mindset and communism when it comes to logic and truth.

erneba August 5, 2015 at 10:56 am

I’ll try being nicer if you’ll try being smarter.

Last Dumbass on Earth August 5, 2015 at 10:07 am

Recessions are cyclical. A good president fixes it. W had to fix us after the 2000 Clinton-Gore cyclical recession (after Clinton-Reno sued Microsoft.) And W got us out of the fucking disaster of 9-11 that was the result Clinton’s national security neglect. (Clue: What evidence was Sandy Burglar stealing (stuffing down his draws from the National Archives?)

Obama has turned the Democrats’ Community Reinvestment Act collapse (that W warned Congress about) into a near DEPRESSION.

You cannot be in office 8 years, and it just get worse, unless the president is a Fuck up. And that’s what Obama is.

Why do think Congress is over-run w/ Republicans, and Hillary is DOA?

People have figured out the media and Obama liked like Hell to them.

21stconfed August 5, 2015 at 9:08 am

I have wondered if the increased 401k of boomers has caused the increase in money looking for something productive (read good returns) that lead to dot.com-housing-current bubbles. obviously the Fed played its role but that only goes so far.

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Henry L Davis Jr August 6, 2015 at 11:04 am

Where is anything prosperous in Clinton…..there’s no industry here that delivers decent wages r jobs to the residents….sorta makes me wonder if your pockets are being lined or our head is empty

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HENRY L DAVIS JR August 6, 2015 at 11:14 am

On top of the fact that there is hardly any industry here to employ which the which the electrical problem is a major reason of, residents graduate from school, attend college and most never come back. There’s not much opportunity to make good money here in Clinton unless its something governed by city council for the city. Seems like they are able to bend and MAKE THEIR OWN RULES FOR QUITE SOME TIME I MIGHT ADD. SO TELL ME IN DETAIL ….WHERE IS THE PROSPEROUS WORKS YOU ARE SPEAKING OF …CAUSE I FOR ONE CAN’T TELL

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Elfego August 4, 2015 at 8:27 pm

Bennettsville,SC is another South Carolina town that essentially does the same thing. They mover things around so they can cover up using more out of the Enterprise Fund than the law allows in my opinion.

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TontoBubbaGoldstein August 4, 2015 at 8:38 pm

*looks at McLean’s pic*

J-j-judge Smails?

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Power Co Rip Offs August 4, 2015 at 8:51 pm

The output voltage from power plants can be adjusted. Downstream, what you normal have in a home on average will drop to lower voltage level during the summer peak demand hours. Because of this, electric motors in HVAC units (fans/compressors) will draw more current as a result of the lower voltage output coming from the power plants through distribution systems. Hence, the more amperage being drawn (kilowatts). Further hence, the reason for higher electric bills. Its a scam that has been going on for eons. SCE&G is famous for this old trick. They could easily raise the output voltage at the power plants to keep energy consumption on the norm. But why do this when they can increase their profits? Ask any electrical engineer worth their salt. They will tell you just like I am.

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easterndumbfuckistan August 4, 2015 at 9:01 pm

Volts X Amps = Watts. If the voltage drops more amps are drawn but with in +- 3%ish the wattage will be the same assuming somewhat efficient equipment.

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erneba August 4, 2015 at 10:27 pm

You are right for Inductive circuits. Voltage goes down, more current is drawn from the system, keeping power consumption somewhat the same.
These type circuits are are the type that air conditioning compressors and other motorized equipment.
Resistive circuits, incandescent lights, heater coils, range top burners are all resistive circuits. Decreasing the voltage in a resistive circuit will not cause an increase in current. Therefore, power consumption will go down when voltage is decreased across a restive circuit.
You can not use Ohm’s law(only dc circuits) to calculate power in an AC inductive circuit, you need a way to compensate for the phasing of the voltage and current components.
The major load for a power supplier in the summer time would be inductive circuits, AC, blowers, etc.

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Bible Thumper August 5, 2015 at 3:56 am

Volts = potential
Amps = current
Volts × Amps = Watts = power
Kilowatts × hours = energy
Your meter reads and you are charged for Kilowatt-hours.
I believe lowering voltage would lower your metered Kilowatt-hours therefore your bill. Sometimes it is done at peak demand and results in a brown-out, but I don’t believe it fools the meter into overcharging.

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erneba August 5, 2015 at 6:17 am

Look it up, in an AC circuit, lowering voltage will increase current flow, within certain limits. Brown outs is a failure by reducing voltage below the limits of system to sustain the current.
Yes, power is voltage times current in watts, But Ohm’s law, as you have stated is for DC circuits.

Tazmaniac August 5, 2015 at 12:11 pm

Without going in too deep, I think we all can all agree the original poster was just pulling theoretical rabbits out of his ass. I have access to one of a few of the most respected Electrical Engineers in the Carolinas but I don’t have time to fully discuss.

easterndumbfuckistan August 5, 2015 at 11:28 am

You are correct but explain power factor and phase angles is going to be a bit much for most people on FITS to understand. I’m sure we have several around here that are utterly fascinated that a 3 way switches can control a light from two different places and couldn’t locate the panel box in their own home. Ohm’s law get’s you close enough for government work for most home applications and for explaining things around here :) Now if we are talking about 3 phase power and large commercial / industrial set ups I’m going to need a calculator, pen and paper or some fancy excel work on my computer.

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erneba August 5, 2015 at 11:54 am

Yeah, you are right, but once I got into it, i guess I tried to show off a bit. Funny, how much of that stuff you forget about through the years. Most people do understand the basics, and good for them. I was in the computer business for years and many moons ago, I would spec out those computer rooms with the raised floors, just to accommodate power and signal cables. Now your telephone probably has as much computing power as a typical mini-computer of the seventies and eighties.

shifty henry August 5, 2015 at 10:07 am

This is off subject, but someone more knowledgeable and smarter than Iam may be able to answer the following item. I posted it on another site last night and now I can’t get it out of my head!
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What about the number “9” — what is the magic associated with this number? I give you several examples:
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a) 2 x 9 = 18, and 1+ 8 = 9
b) 8 x 9 = 72, and 7 + 2 = 9
c) 654 x 9 =5,886, and 5+8+8+6 = 27,
and 2+7 = 9
d) 123,654 x 9 = 1,112,886, and the sum of the numbers = 27, and 2+7 = 9
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I was taught this many years ago, but so far no one has been able to tell me what use can be made of this mystery. Can one of you folks provide the answer? … Because it’s been driving me crazy for 27 years..!!

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erneba August 5, 2015 at 10:46 am

I have never seen any logical reason to use the number nine. I have avoided using it all my life. I have avoided all birthdays with the number in them. I don’t like cats because they have nine lives, I won’t call anyone with a nine in their telephone number, etc…
http://www.mythsdreamssymbols.com/nine.html

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shifty henry August 5, 2015 at 11:03 am

Well, well, well ….. I knew someone could advance my knowledge. Now I’ll be up every night for a week going through all that! But I still don’t know what use can be put to my little question, such as: can some mathematical problem or equation be proven through a shortcut using the number ‘9’..?
Thanks for providing your info which I never knew existed…..

erneba August 5, 2015 at 11:16 am

Thanks
See ya, in about nine minutes.

easterndumbfuckistan August 5, 2015 at 11:21 am

Nine has several interesting properties, it’s a perfect square and it’s also the highest single digit number i.e. the last number before 10. Subtracting the digit sum of a number from itself always gives a multiple of 9. In other words 75 – (1+2) = 75 -3 = 72 and 9×8 is 72. This works for all numbers and why you get the famous 9 times table of.

9 * 1 = 09
9 * 2 = 18
9 * 3 = 27
9 * 4 = 36
9 * 5 = 45
9 * 6 = 54
9 * 7 = 63
9 * 8 = 72
9 * 9 = 81
9 * 10 = 90

Not only do the sum to 9 but they count up and down in reverse order 10s place up and 1s place down.

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shifty henry August 5, 2015 at 12:59 pm

Thanks, edf, there goes my weekend!

Town Crier August 4, 2015 at 9:12 pm

That co-op in Newberry is a public entity. Typical bureaucrats at the top…over paid, meetings at Reynolds Plantation…someone ought to be asking questions.

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upstate August 4, 2015 at 10:25 pm

Newberry Electric does not service the surrounding area. Local rural service is provided by Laurens Electric Coop.

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Town Crier August 5, 2015 at 1:11 am

I’m thinking of the Clinton Newberry Natural Gas Authority. Sorry for the confusion…

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Funny Business August 4, 2015 at 9:35 pm

This is no “co-op”, this is a municipal electric service, unregulated other than by City Council. Check into their membership in the PMPA (ownership in a 70’s era nuclear plant boondoggle), and what wholsale electric rates Duke charges the City of Clinton. Allso, are you advocating that the city raise water and garbage rates, and make them self-sufficient? Clinton has been subsidizing the General Fund for decades of the electric utility enterprise fund, meaning property tax rates are lower than they should be, if but not for stealing the electric revenue. The real scandal in Clinton is in their participation in that natural gas authority. What Clinton should do is auction off the municipal electric system to Duke or SCE&G. As much as you may hate them both, they would operate it less expensively than the city does and taxpayers would have millions in the bank.

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nitrat August 6, 2015 at 10:11 am

The Public Service Commission allows them to do their own thing?

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Obama is a disaster August 4, 2015 at 10:34 pm

Obama said he’d put coal out of business, and he’s doing it. He also has had the Mid-East so mismanaged there has been less oil coming from sanctioned countries that he promised he’d make free. He lied.

On top of that: Nuclear progress has been all but STOPPED with crippling regulations, arduous permitting procedures and expensive government over-burdens.

Yet the idiots jump all over these power co. execs who are stupid because they keep shut up about who has screwed up the energy industry.

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erneba August 4, 2015 at 11:35 pm

With Obama putting all coal fired power plants out of business, look for power cost to everyone steeply rise in the next few years. Solar cells, wind turbines, and new nuclear plants will not fill the holes left by the coal-fired plants any time soon.
Increased power costs on top of increased cost in ObamaCare is going to impact every family in America.
You have not seem anything yet.

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sparklecity August 5, 2015 at 9:05 am

Bullshit.
Have you seen the cost of natural gas??? Price is falling like a ton of bricks – that’s what.
More and more utilities are switching over to natural gas. Years ago it was mainly hydroelectric, then coal, then oil then nuke power (which has ALWAYS been subsidized by the Feds – the only energy source to do so). it’s just the natural progression of things.
Technology changes. At one time whale oil was the be all to end all and people of that time said nothing would replace whale oil.
I ain’t no fan of “Obammer” but from crying out loud, quit blaming him for everything from the state of the economy economy to toe nail fungus.
But that is how schlubes like you work – it is much easier to lay blame. than it is to solve the problem.
The BS in Clinton will shake itself out. But as some have posted it is due to “robbing Peter to pay Paul that is the root of this problem.
And one thing I understand is that local government is the government that affects people the most so let’s see how this thing shakes out. If it can’t fixed on a local level how do you expect it to be fixed at the state or national level?

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Tazmaniac August 5, 2015 at 9:20 am Reply
sparklecity August 5, 2015 at 9:46 am

So fucking what????
My gout is acting up again!!! That fucking “Obammer” has something to do with it!!!!!!
Damn…Some of you people are “sheeple” to the fucking max!!!!

erneba August 5, 2015 at 10:14 am

I don’t think that coal was the “immediate” scourge that O’bama labelled it to be.
Those coal fired plants could have stayed on line until the conversion to natural gas or new plants were built. Obama stated in his campaign that he was going to put the coal industry out of business. He deserves all the disdain that can be mustered up for his inability to look after the economic interest of all in this country.
There should be a fast track for new power plants, both nuclear and gas-fired, but that won’t happen under this administration.
I realize that the Clinton problem is a local issue and should be resolved at that level.
I will believe that Obama has the best interest of this country in mind when I believe he has performed his job in way that makes that possible. I believe social and political goals rule his decision making.

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sparklecity August 5, 2015 at 10:46 am

They ARE being converted damn it!!
The Duke Power plant conversion from caol to gas in Spindale,NC is coming along nicely. The conversion started about two years ago. You don’t just don’t yank a big assed power plant out of the ground and plug in a new one overnight
Again, I ain’t no fan of “Obammer” but some of you people are pathological in obsessing over everything in this world as being “Obammer’s” fault
He’ll be gone in less than two years…chill the fuck out for goodness sake. Oh, I forgot….he’ll declare martial law a month before he leaves office just like those pathetic (and I REALLY mean PATHETIC) delusional dickheads claimed Clinton was going to do – Remember that shit????? Hell maybe you were someone who spouted that shit on right wingnut talk radio back then.
But something tells me that your kind will always have something to place blame on.
Must be the way your kind is wired. I’m not wired like that.

erneba August 5, 2015 at 10:52 am

I don’t know what your problem is, but I’ll bet it’s hard to pronounce.

sparklecity August 5, 2015 at 11:02 am

I didn’t know having common sense and thinking for yourself was a problem………………….

Tazmaniac August 5, 2015 at 11:03 am

Is it possible GT is scamming Sparkles name? I’ve noticed a definite change and a marked drop in logic. Same with Rocky.

erneba August 5, 2015 at 11:09 am

You have a point, I am not a long time user here, so I can’t give a reading as to past users. I bet sparklecity’s blood pressure has to be at 180/120, if this is for real.
When it gets this bad, I almost want to believe that someone is scamming ignorance.

vicupstate August 5, 2015 at 8:31 am

Yo nut job,

Whatever is going on in Clinton is not happening elsewhere. So obviously the subject of your rant is not the culprit.

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nitrat August 6, 2015 at 9:52 am

Any idiot who read the report on the then Progress Energy plant in Hartsville and doesn’t see the need for regulation of nuclear power plants is – well – an idiot.
That plant was full of employees who did not seem to have a clue that not only could their pure-tee trifling-ness blow up the countryside and their families in their homes, but their very selves.
Power companies don’t like building nuclear because it would cut into the pay and stock options of the CEOs and rubber stamping boards.
And, because 21st century American business doesn’t look at business over the next decade, just the next quarter.

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America Burning August 4, 2015 at 11:21 pm

I’ve looked at one of these bills. They are charging the residents over 18.2 cents per kilowatthour. For comparison, Laurens Electric Co-op currently charges 11.6 cents per kilowatthour. Businesses and residents in Clinton should get out if they can.

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Jimmy August 5, 2015 at 7:02 am

hat is what a monopoly from by the government can charge. So they do.

Look and see who the large venders are and who they are elected too and you will see the whole story.

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Bible Thumper August 5, 2015 at 4:02 am

…the median annual household income in Clinton is less than $28,000 – well below South Carolina’s abysmal rate of $44,163.

But, But, But! Prosperity is just down the road. About 32 miles.

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L I'll Be August 5, 2015 at 7:16 am

Real problem is SC is 10 years and counting behind on solar installation…..it is taking electric companies that long to figure out how to ripoff customers before going mainstream.

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You've screwed it up August 5, 2015 at 7:34 am

Solar is COSTLY, painfully so. It’s 30K a home, and the panels only last 5 or so years. That’s 6K a year (EXTRA) for limited service, and it does not work on cloudy days. Aside from that, you have to be plugged into the power co. grid anyway, because there is no power w/ solar on cloudy days.

Why do you think the $90 Billion Obama gave to the solar industry was money down a hole. And now the government is MAKING SC utility payers, fund solar because of idiots like you, screaming to implement a product that is broken.

Until we stand up and slap the shit out of the liberals controlling our industries, we’re screwed.

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sparklecity August 5, 2015 at 9:33 am

I designed and built our house (1200 square feet) in 1985 and incorporated passive solar with insulation to the max from the get go.
My Duke bill runs around $100/month winter and approx. $175/month summer. April-May & September – October (I call those the “sweet times”) the bill is even lower (as a rule)
I augment heat in the winter with a 30 year old Kerosun (Omni85 – 13,000 BTU). At night time the heat pump hardly runs when it is below freezing.
During the day all the drapes are pulled back to allow the sun to heat the slate floors and the ceiling fans (Casablanca’s – made in America circa 1985) distribute the heat and the heat pump hardly runs during the day. I’ve seen it be 30 degrees F on a sunny day and the heat pump hardly runs at all
Again, the Yom Kippur War changed my life and I have made energy conservation a way of life since I got out of the Army in 1974.
Energy costs CAN be drastically lowered.
***You’ve just got to get off you whining fat right wingnut ass and do something about it instead of just bitching all the time*******

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Making Up Liberal Bullshit August 5, 2015 at 10:01 am

WTF is “passive solar with insulation?”

That’s NOT AT ALL what the liberals are forcing people to throw money away to pay for. We’re subsidising solar panels, after Obama has already driven utility bills up by 40% over his almost 7 years in office. It’s a FUCKING disaster thanks to FOOLS like you.

On top of that; like all liberals, I think you’re a FUCKING liar. If it were that easy, no one wants to waste money. Everybody would do it.

Like the Chevy Volt and Solyndra, you peddle your BULLSHIT, and make us pay for it. And you NEVER are called to account for the Fuck-ups you are.

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sparklecity August 5, 2015 at 10:28 am

I built my house with my two own hands with help from family and friends and paid it off within 10 years of building it – that’s REAL LIBERAL shit ain’t it?????
You’re just venting because I’m telling the truth and it appears you can’t do anything for yourself to make a difference except bitch and lay blame just like a true right wingnut does every fucking day
if you don’t know what “passive solar” is that says a lot about your sorry pathetic life and how little you know about energy efficient home construction.

guesty August 5, 2015 at 11:48 am

Damn, my electric bill in Lancaster never reaches $200 in the most extreme periods of weather. I had a twenty year old gas pack and in the winter the gas bill ran from 140-190, and then electric about $45. Replaced it a couple of years ago with a new Trane heat pump and what a difference – even in this summer’s brutal temps my bill has averaged about $130 and last winter was about the same. I’m on Duke energy.

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sparklecity August 5, 2015 at 2:06 pm

Agreed – the new heat pumps are hard to beat. I’m on my second one in 30 years (first one crapped out around 2000 after 15 years of use.).
Like I posted my winter bill is cheaper than my summer bill due to using passive solar augmented by kerosene heater at night with heat pump as stand-by. Using heat soaked up on the shale floors really makes a difference. I planted some trees which provide shade in the summer which helps some in the hot weather but that is the only trade off and I was aware of that when I built my house.
Looking at a earth sided or even semi-underground dwelling for my retirement home which should cost even less (as far as energy consumption goes) – Convincing Mrs. Sparklecity is another thing though……..

nitrat August 6, 2015 at 9:43 am

You can tell those of us who came of age in the energy crisis era.

L I'll Be August 5, 2015 at 12:37 pm

Your numbers and statements are about 10 years behind…..proves my point. And if you believe SCE&G or Duke talking papers about “how costly Solar” is or will be……you will become a fossil, same as them.

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nitrat August 6, 2015 at 9:40 am

The country is 30 years behind the rest of the developed world with solar…thanks to Ronald Reagan snatching Jimmy Carter’s solar panels off the White House, ending tax credits to get the industry off the ground, chortling and telling the American people: Don’t worry, be happy…they bought it.
The Kochs are fighting solar tooth and nail in places like Arizona and California with their travelling money laundering operations changing names as they move from state to state as they go. The LATimes had stories a while back.
I’m sure our governor and the members of our Congressional delegation who attend every Koch conference that comes around and hear it first hand.
I would not be surprised if that South Eastern alliance of governors – including Trikki – that’s promoting off shore drilling is Koch funded.

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Amber Willis August 5, 2015 at 8:37 am

I live here in clinton and we have yet to turn on our house unit at all, and our power bill was almost $600 up from about $325. We have two window units running that has been running since may and our bill stayed the same except for this month so something is not right about all this! Last winter my family stayed cold the whole winter because running our central heat on a temp setting of 70 alone made out power bill shoot up to almost $1000 almond we still was cold!!!! We can not almond ford to live like this! When power is more then rent there is almond ford BIG problem some where!

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sparklecity August 5, 2015 at 9:12 am

Number 1: Check with your land lord to see how well you house is insulated (if it is at all)
Number 2: Window A/C units are energy hogs (UNLESS it is properly sized for the room and you are not letting the two units try to cool the entire house)
Number 3: If you ran the central heat as you claim and you bill was $1000 you have a serious problem with the HVAC system, the dwelling or a combination of both. Again work with your land lord or move out.

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shifty henry August 5, 2015 at 10:01 am

+10

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TroubleBaby August 5, 2015 at 1:14 pm

“Last winter my family stayed cold the whole winter because running our central heat on a temp setting of 70 alone made out power bill shoot up to almost $1000 ”

Switch to propane….ultimately though you might be better just moving out of that shit hole and someplace where the local citizens don’t get screwed/raped as badly.

Voting doesn’t work that well, but voting with your feet does.

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nitrat August 6, 2015 at 8:58 am

What in the world is ‘almond’ and ‘almond ford’?

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Jackie Chiles August 5, 2015 at 9:07 am

“What Stovall didn’t tell people is that they are using funds from the electric bills to cover the cost of water and sanitation services, two departments (which) are operating at a loss,” our source said.

I’m not sure that’s legal. You’re not supposed to mix funds in this nature.

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sparklecity August 5, 2015 at 9:42 am

“IF” Clinton has it’s own “Utilities” (power, sewer/water & refuse) they might can……
If I’m not mistaken, City of “Grrrr” (Greer) has all of them under one umbrella as far as I know.

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Grrr_Native August 5, 2015 at 10:23 am

Greer has gas/electric/water/sewer all with the CPW. Garbage/recycling is outsourced to ACE Environmental. It’s administered by Public Works and I believe that is paid from taxes.
IIRC, as long as they itemize the bill, it’s perfectly legal to collect all under one statement.

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sparklecity August 5, 2015 at 10:48 am

Just like I thought.

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Victorious Secret August 5, 2015 at 10:28 am

I concur.

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TroubleBaby August 5, 2015 at 1:11 pm

“I’m not sure that’s legal.”

I’m not sure most of those in government care about that sentiment.

:)

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Ass-Backward Democrats cost us August 5, 2015 at 10:11 am

There is a mini-nuclear generator (Google it) that could power a city the size of Columbia, fairly cheaply. It will revolutionize the world.

Guess who the Administration is, that is BLOCKING implementation of it.

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Rocky Verdad August 5, 2015 at 10:23 am

The funny thing is, they’re all of 75 miles from a nuclear power plant owned by Duke, but getting screwed by their own little town council. My prior experience in small southern towns – follow that money trail. I bet there a number of reasons why a rate increase is diverted to cover solid waste costs, and they ain’t all about picking up the garbage.

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easterndumbfuckistan August 5, 2015 at 10:48 am

Sadly they are part of an association that owns 25% of one of those Duke operated Reactors. Catawba 2 is owned by North Carolina Municipal Power Agency (75%), Piedmont Municipal Power Agency (25%).

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Pitchforks August 5, 2015 at 11:28 am

“People who live outside the city limits (and receive their energy from a local cooperative as opposed to the city’s provider) saw monthly bills in the neighborhood of $250- $350. City of Clinton residents? Their bills fell in the $450-$900 range.”

Jesus Christ, hardly worth it to live in that shithole.

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Kayla August 5, 2015 at 4:43 pm

The Mayor neglects to mention he along with other city councilmen, voted for this. You can’t put this off on Stovall.

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Clintonmayorsucks August 5, 2015 at 9:23 pm

I don’t believe anything the used car man has to say. From where I am sitting he will tell the public anything but do the complete opposite. Used car salesman needs to sit down and quit spewing all the B.S. And stick to telling lies to his customers about his worn out used cars.

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Clintonmayorsuckz August 5, 2015 at 9:59 pm

I don’t believe anything that the used car man has to say. He voted for this along with his cronies. He needs to sit down and quit spewing all this “B.S” and just stick to telling lies about his worn out used cars.

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nitrat August 6, 2015 at 9:40 am

I’m confused as to why the ‘city’s (electrical) provider’ is not named in this ‘story’.
Does anyone know the utility name on the Clinton residents’ electric bill?
In my neck of the woods, the only utilities provided by/sold by a town or city are water & sewer and the electricity in towns has been CPL/Progress/Duke (God help us) for decades.
Does the city of Clinton sell electricity? Does any other town/city in the state?
Maybe, that’s why ‘written by FITS’ writes for a blog. He/she didn’t go to journalism school (or pay attention in HS English classes) to learn about who, what, when, where why questions.

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MyBill'sTooHigh!!! August 6, 2015 at 10:16 am

Part of the problem is the absolutely huge salary that Frank Stovall has wrangled for himself and a few of his department head buddies.

Also, I went to city hall yesterday to discuss my home and business’ utility bill, and the staff, including this Stovall guy were rude beyond belief. First, they rolled their eyes, then sort of chuckled. How insulting!

Then, on the way out, I noticed the temperature. I didn’t have a thermometer, but it was clearly around 70 degrees.

Where’s the leadership?

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oldandtired August 6, 2015 at 10:31 am

Frank Stovall is a worthless piece of shit!

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Clintonaboutdriedup! August 6, 2015 at 1:35 pm

The city needs to cut their budget all together if they cant pay their costs. They are spending, spending, spending and not able to put back to build up for unexpected costs. Now granted this has taken decades to get us into this position by decisions from previous administrations. I realize the city is not generating enough money to cover costs and because of this previous administrations have tried to coddle the public by not raising taxes or increasing fees in an effort to lessen any impacts on their pocketbooks. Folks the money is not there and if you want the city to continue to operate then costs and fees have got to go up. The city has done the citizen’s a disservice by coddling them for to long and now the town is in such back shape that the current residents are the ones feeling the pain.

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SpendlessMoney/Quit takingours August 6, 2015 at 1:42 pm

I personally feel that all those department heads that have retired and are getting big salaries need to do just that and retire. If they want to continue to work then they need to come back as entry level salary. That will save the city money. And why does the Public Safety Department need to have a Director when everyone knows who runs that place. There use to be a fire chief and a police chief and that’s how it should be. I call asking for the police chief and have to end up talking to the captain. Just seems like that is a wasted 100K when for years it was ran by police and fire chiefs whose salary put together was maybe 100K if that. Go back to the old ways of running this town. Clinton needs to cut their budgets period!

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Tankman August 7, 2015 at 7:40 am

Michael runs public safety. He is a good man and should be the next chief.

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