THE TALIBAN WINS …
America doesn’t negotiate with terrorists … unless of course it’s getting an insanely raw deal.
Such is the object lesson from the “Sergeant” Bowe Bergdahl scandal – in which the administration of U.S. President Barack Obama acted without congressional authorization to release five senior Taliban commanders from indefinite detainment in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba in exchange for Bergdahl’s release.
Bergdahl, for those of you unfamiliar with his story, was a deserter.
In fact he left his unit days after emailing his parents and informing them he was “ashamed to be an American.” While it’s hard to argue that sentiment these days – and impossible to rationalize the ongoing American military intervention in Afghanistan – the fact remains Bergdahl demonstrated cowardice in the field.
If he felt that way (which again, we’re not knocking), he shouldn’t have enlisted in the first place …
But Bergdahl did enlist. And then walked off his patrol on June 30, 2009, according to an exhaustive 2010 Pentagon report – leaving a note behind declaring his intention to renounce his American citizenship.
“The system is wrong,” Bergdahl wrote his parents shortly before deserting. “I am ashamed to be an american. And the title of US soldier is just the lie of fools…I am sorry for everything here. These people need help, yet what they get is the most conceited country in the world telling them that they are nothing and that they are stupid, that they have no idea how to live. We don’t even care when we hear each other talk about running their children down in the dirt streets with our armored trucks… We make fun of them in front of their faces, and laugh at them for not understanding we are insulting them…I am sorry for everything. The horror that is america is disgusting.”
Bergdahl should have been left to fend for himself. And dishonorably discharged. Instead he was promoted in absentia from private to sergeant.
Yeah … and this is the guy Obama wanted home so bad he was willing to give back five senior Taliban leaders ? All of whom were declared by a Guantanamo task force to be “high” risks to America and its allies?
Mullah Mohammad Fazl is no Bowe Bergdahl. He was the Taliban’s army chief of staff. Abdul Haq Wasiq is no Bowe Bergdahl, either. He was the Taliban’s deputy intelligence minister – and trainer of pre 9-11 al-Qaeda operatives. Mohammed Nabi, Khairullah Khairkhwa and Mullah Norullah Noori are not disillusioned deserters, either – they are all hard core Taliban leaders with deep ties to al-Qaeda.
And they’re all back in the wild.
So yeah … Obama just released five of the world’s most dangerous people so he could retrieve one ex-deserter.
And he’s proud of it, too …
“I make no apologies for making sure we get a young man back to his parents,” Obama said, calling the controversy surrounding the deal “whipped up” by Washington, D.C.
The upside for Obama and his fellow warmongers? We’re sure these five Taliban leaders will be hard at work plotting retribution against America for its occupation of their country over the last thirteen years – which means they will attack us again, and then we’ll spend trillions of dollars on yet another invasion.
Which is what our government wants to happen …
Why else would it make a deal like this?
TALIBAN: “WE’RE INSPIRED TO KIDNAP MORE!”
Bush released over 600 detainees. Did you see a sharp increase in kidnappings after that? The Taliban have always been interested in kidnapping. That is not new. Moreover, we didn’t negotiate with terrorists. The Taliban are not on an terror watch list. Wish people would learn to read before they write shit articles like this.
Even if he was a deserter, when do we leave an American POW behind? When do we presume guilt and decide that his punishment should be being held captive/executed by the Taliban. Bergdahl spent a hell of a lot more time in uniform than 99% of the people who read this site and 100% of the people who write this shit.
Yea, there are lots of chicken hawks on this site.
To be fair, these morons didn’t kidnap anyone. They found him wandering around.
TALIBAN: “WE’RE INSPIRED TO KIDNAP MORE!”
That’s *OUR* job!!!!
Let’s drone some more of them and make them think twice about capturing invaders as POWs.
As an aside, TBG proposes that we send some Special Forces/Ops guys down to the Home Depot parking lot. They could capture a few dozen foreign nationals , who have, actually, invaded our country. Maybe we could trade them for our Marine in Mexico.
SHOCK POLL: Americans say Obama less competent than Bush…
That’s a shock to anyone?
How do you know he is a deserter? Why not let the story unfold? Those 5 detainees were to be released within the year. Why not get our solder back in the process. Dammit.
That is exactly right. At the end of the war they are required to be released BY LAW. They are POWs. We don’t hold POWs beyond the war.
Congress never declare war. Thus, your argument is flawed.
The Bush administration, for its part, did not seek a declaration of war and labeled Taliban troops as supporters of terrorists rather than soldiers. It thus defined them as outside the protections of the Geneva Convention and the due process of law. This position was later overruled by the U.S. Supreme Court in 2008, following other decisions that overturned some US positions.
“Declarations of War” are so [early] last century.
The world is our police action oyster.
They are NOT POWS! They are enemy combatants and terrorists!
You might want to read the law and the US Supreme Court opinions. The Geneva Convention applied to them as if they were POWs. Bush lost that argument then. You aren’t going to win it now.
Since when did the Taliban abide by the Geneva Convention? Was that when they were disguising IED’s as Coke cans? Or strapping suicide bombs to children?
The WAR ON TERRRRRRR will never end. For the military industrial complex…that’s the beauty of it.
Yeah, I mean it’s almost like people won’t believe that the Taliban just happened to raid a US military outpost and kidnap the one guy who wrote a note that he was ashamed to be an american and talked about wanting to just walk away.
The note was proven to be a lie.
You have a link for this?
Not from a reputable source she doesn’t, he had always been suspected of being a deserter based on the findings of the initial investigation into his disappearance.
Is this what MSLSD is reporting?
He had left base once before and come back. His unit did not report it. To be a deserter you have to have the intent not to return. He actually asked his commander if he went off base, could he take his weapon and his NV goggles and was told no. No one has ever established that he wasn’t going to come back like he did the first time.
You’ve got a lot of faith in a Rolling Stone story. Regardless of his intent, he went UA when he left the compound. I was in SWA when this went down, I saw the original “DUSTWUN” reports and then suffered the stupidity of the “personnel asset inventories” that we conducted to insure no one else was missing. You don’t unintentionally walk off of a COP or FOB. After this event security was tightened up theater wide.
A DUSTWUN (DUty STatus and Whereabouts UNknown) is the report that officially designated him as missing.
Well you can’t say intent doesn’t matter when you are calling him a deserter. He was UA. No doubt.
As for the Rolling Stone article…no one has refuted a word of it.
I know several people in the battalion/brigade who will refute it.
Yep, and I’m sure the ones in his unit speaking against have been instructed to do so give the pathetic leadership!
Saxby Chambliss, vice chair of the senate intelligence committee indicated in an interview that there was no letter and the army said there was no letter. There’s a video. He isn’t happy that Obama proceeded without them and that the 5 POWs were exchanged.
False and why you did not provide a link.
Look, oh ignorant one. http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2014/06/05/Chambliss-on-Bergdahl-swap-al-Qaida-got-its-new-board-of-directors/1441401978306/
Crickets, chirp, chirp, chirp.
“There was nothing in that file relative to any letter he left,”
Nice try Wasserman-Shitz! Key PHRASE – ‘THAT FILE”
Chamblis can’t comment on what is in the ‘Classfied’ FILE!
I notice there are no women in the FITS,Taliban/traitor loving liberal group picture attached to this article. What happened?
When? Where? By whom?
You are so dumb, stop humiliating yourself. You don’t even have a clue as to the basic story. Absurd.
Proven by who? There’s literally no legitimate news source saying this.
Let the story unfold? You mean like maybe they’ll find a Youtube video to blame it on?
These first few posts just go to show how damn stupid and uninformed some voters are. And, if my memory serves me right these posters are Haley supporters. The stupidity of this deal proves to me Ohaley and Obama are twins separated, at birth!
Let’s try to use our brains in the future Ohaley and Obama voters….please.
The rest of us suffer for your stupidity!
Listen to some of the HEROS who served with this traitor and deserter!!
How many Americans will suffer at the hands of these five terrorist and how much info did this traitor give up!
HEROES? (sorry it has an “e” in it). Those heroes who served with him were total screw offs who may have actually even run over and killed an Afghan civilian child.
Bless your uninformed heart.
Sorry but the five detainees were classified “not to be released”
You are such an idiot, the story has been told since last Saturday, WE KNOW THE STORY, ignorant bitch.
LOL . . spittle . . frothing at mouth . . . .
It’s only a matter of time before a condescending “bless her heart” is levied.
Pffft. You’re one of the most condescending commenters on this site.
Can you link me to some instances?
Just pick one.
Lazily reclining in the lap of luxury, chuckling at you imbeciles.
Is The Lap of Luxury the name you spray-painted on the side of your double-wide?
Lap of Luxury
Thats what Grand Tango called his bi-monthly dances at the nudie bar…
The dancers call it the “10 minutes of shame” and tend to drink more tequila than *normal*.
Lap of Luxury? You must mean the quality of life the current occuupiers of the wHite house are living on the taxpayers dime.
George and Weezie Jefferson are sure having a Hafla!
You appear to be the ignorant bitch. Asshat with an IQ of 45.
You’re so easily baited.
And you are a total liar, they were hell no NOT scheduled for release, lie much.
And if he were killed by the Taliban or died in captivity, the same knuckle dragging chicken hawks would have been all over Obama for not doing more to save him. All of the deleted tweets and scrubbed websites supporting Bergdahl before he was released tells you all you need to know about these asshole politicians.
That’s a good point.
Don’t even have to speculate, brah, the GOP hypocrisy already happened and is documented fairly well. Not just with Bergdahl, but with pretty much everything Obama’s done that is essentially an introduction or continuation of Republican policies.
Between 2007 and 2009, President George W. Bush released 520 detainees from the facility at Guantanamo Bay – at least that’s how many are officially recorded. One of those detainees was Abu Sufian bin Qumu, who is a suspect in the Benghazi embassy attack.
The strangest part of this story is that despite official White House documents and news articles detailing Bush’s actions, people continue to deny that he has negotiated with terrorists. Apparently his negotiations with Iraqi insurgents, Iran and North Korea never made it into the Republican history books.
That was then. This is now.
Well played, sir.
Yet the didn’t release these five guys, because two are wanted by the U.N. for war crimes for slaughtering thousands. Did they return the goatherders picked up that you stinking scum leftists cried crocodile tears over, running around with their poetry, you bunch of pansies. Of those returns 168 returned to fight jihad against Americans and their fellow muslims.
English as a second language, I see.
“English as a second language, I see.”
Female Grand Tango . . .
Why do libturds always want to live in the past?
Of course pointing out hypocrisy is not living in the past.
We don’t live in the past, Jay. We only point out the mistakes of the past (Iraq War, $2 trillion to date) and try to not make the same mistake again. There is a difference. When people point out the deficit, we as Americans must properly point out the reasons for the deficit. The Iraq War, Reagan spending more than revenues coming in, etc. Let’s all not point the finger of blame at Obama. Yes, he has fucked up on several fronts, but let’s be honest about matters.
The only way to fix the problem is to focus on the here and now.
That sure makes it easier for the 2000-2006 style GOP to get reelected and go back to doing the very same shit. Spend more, cut taxes for the wealthy, go to war with Iran, expand the Patriot Act, etc.
Don’t look at the past! No, seriously, please don’t.
Why do you run from it?
Why do you run from what’s happening today?
Nobody’s running here. You just have to call it both ways. You can’t give Bush’s disastrous 8 years a pass and choose to only pile on to Obama.
I will call it both ways.
Bush is a Christian that love this country.
Obama is a Muslim that hates this country.
Bush did what he thought was best to defend this nation..
Obama does what he thinks is best to destroy this nation.
Unfortunately, it’s simpletons like yourself who are the necrosis of modern America. Every single sentence (with the exception of Bush being a Christian) is demonstrably false….and people wonder why the US is lagging…much less S.C.
You have mental issues. We can reserve bed space for you at MUSC’s Institute of Psychiatry.
American health care and greedy insurance companies will never pay for that.
Dead on all four. Bush was , above everything, a good decent man. Obama is nothing more than a terrorist.
Serious cognitive therapy in a group session can help you.
For “serious” cognitive therapy I’d have to travel to a blue state.
Then we can forget about the Civil War as well…oops! I meant the War of Northern Aggression…????
While we’re at it let’s forget about the D-Day anniversary…
Then we can forget about the … War of Northern Aggression…????
I didn’t forget:
Dateline: June 6, 2014
At sunrise I raised my glass to toast and honor each of my paternal and maternal ancestors who served in the Pacific and European Theatres. Volunteers all, they went for their Country, Family and God. The sworn enemies who died from their actions received no regrets. Our families have been both grateful and appreciative, and have carried their ideals with us to this day. We were fortunate that each of them returned physically and mentally healthy to pass on the purpose and the value of their service and to teach us what it means to be an American and to live an honorable life.
It’s pretty clear that we threw many folks into Gitmo that really didn’t belong there. The Weegars, some British criminals who were just in the wrong place and a number of others. It is equally true that we’ve killed many of those who had been released earlier on the battlefields of Iraq and Afghanistan.
This is one time when I agree with you Colonel. How many people were released by Bush from Gitmo that were caught who fighting against us later, and how many people were originally turned in as terrorists and placed in Gitmo just to collect the bounties that we offered after 9/11 to the Afghans and Pakastanis?
As of September 2012, 168 out of the 602 released Guantanamo Bay detainees are suspected of returning to terrorism.
I think there WAS some level of outrage at the Bush detainee releases at the time. There was much talk of the recidivism rate **particularly**among the right. The optics on this trade just look worse: 5 High Rsk for 1 alleged deserter converted jihadist???
Don’t see the hypocrisy. Did Bush not notify Congress either?
There was no law during Bush’s presidency requiring congressional notification. That passed during the Obama administration. He signed it. Let’s trade five kilos of camel fertilizer for Obama?
Nice, Aloha Steve. Very true.
Smirks, you didn’t read the huffpo piece to well, they were able to come up with a whole three alleged conservatives, no one has ever heard of, for their examples of “the huge number of conservative tweets”.
There are better links, just the first one that came up on The Google.
John McCain expressed support over getting him back a few months ago, another GOPer gave a speech in support of getting him back on Memorial Day weekend.
There is a treasure trove of tweeters doing the same, but those are mostly Fox News viewers who lap up whatever propaganda/chain email/Facebook page comes their way.
TBH, I think the whole thing is somewhat fishy, but I reserve judgement until I know more. What I do know is that there is a shitton of hate and hypocrisy going around that absolutely reeks of desperate politicizing.
If Bowe is a deserter let him be charged and punished as such. I don’t like the idea of letting 5 potentially dangerous people go but it isn’t unprecedented to do exchanges, whether with prisoners or something else.
What I don’t care for are the fucktards who went from “praying for him to be brought back to us” to “that traitorous deserter deserves to be shot” in such a short period of time.
LMAO! Nobody can defend our enemies like you can. smirtard!
You are fuckin dumber that Buz.
And you are shit-eating white trash.
And I love to suck Taliban cock.
Everyone got their misinformation the day news broke. The Drudge Report was all over it.
Exactly. They loathe Obama to the core. No matter what he does. He can’t win.
What’s he done worth handing him a blue ribbon or putting a gold star on his chart? He started out winning the Nobel Peace Prize for NOTHING. What else should he be awarded?
He didn’t ask for the Nobel. He got selected by an international body. What was he supposed to do? Turn it down?
On second thought…fuck you…
Yes: “I humbly decline to accept this award as I am not worthy.”
How many Nobel Peace Prizes have YOU won?
Predictable comedic misstep.
How can Jay win peace prizes when he doesn’t have access to drones?
This is part of a letter I circulated around Washington to selected congressmen. I was damn well pissed when
I wrote it on September 6, 2013. (emphasis and italics omitted here)
Imagine you facing the President and demanding that he answer the following:
Mr. President: In 2009 you were GIVEN a Nobel Peace Prize with the statement that it was that “for your extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation
Mr. President: How do you reconcile that 2009 award with your current comments calling for a new war which will mire America in another eternal military conflict?
Mr. President: How do you reconcile that 2009 award with your foolish attitude that murdering President Assad is more important to you than offering the humanitarian aid for the two million Syrian refugees, and for which you are silent?
Mr. President: How do you reconcile that 2009 award with your actions and comments coming from your moral weaknesses and frailties which have lessened America’s standing in the international community?
Mr. President: Where can you show that there is clear and convincing evidence that the situation in Syria is a direct and urgent threat to the national security of America, and that Syria will not retaliate against American Citizens on American Soil?
President Obama, together with Secretary of State Kerry and Defense Secretary Hagel, in creating their Triumvirate of Folly, are prepared for this course of action solely because of their egomaniacal attitude for lies and deceptions, and feverishly dictated by selfish interests.
History will not be kind to those in power who support their misguided actions. Should this Triumvirate of Folly proceed with their reckless ambition then, without hesitation, their immediate resignations must be demanded.
Respectfully, and with the utmost sincerity,
4% of the military are infantry yet suffer 80% of the casualities.
Thank God for the brave soldiers speaking out about this Muslim traitor that Obama has adopted.
Don’t think all of America is not taking note that the Obama regime is attacking these brave American warriors for telling the truth.
Liberals are dangerous bastards NO different than the Taliban.
You’ll hear no defense of GOP politicians on this website …
You make it sound like it was only GOP politicians who were scrubbing their Tweets, that’s not the case at all.
Jay is 100% correct on this point!
Krauthammer deals with the flimsy objections. You should enjoy this piece.
The funny thing is, I’m sure Bergdahl’s assessment is probably spot on at the time he was dealing with it all.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the US gov’t wanted him back for an inside look at how the Taliban operate myself…
Why, so Obama can get some pointers on how to be a better terrorist?
lol….don’t know…but at the end of the day if it was Obama making the call then he proved to be nothing more than a moron if it was anything other than intelligence information…cause the PR is killing him.
Even the media is flabbergasted (I’m not) that Obama is THIS F*#king Stupid… This may be one the most dim-witted moves by a US president, in the history of negotiations, and our military history…
This is an ALL-TIME low. Worse than Jimmy Carter, giving over Iran to Terrorists…and de-stabilizing the Med-East…
Yet a vast majority of Ignorant FITS readers are trying to defend Obama on it…and I think even Obama has figured out what a Dumb@$$ traitor to America he looks like (and is)…
When ‘finger-in-the-wind’ FITS goes against the grain of leftwing pop culture idiocy…you KNOW it’s bad for the Liberals…Real Bad…
That is the problem…you only give a shit about whether it will hurt the Dems politically. You don’t give a shit about an American POW being held captive so it didn’t matter how this was going to turn out, you were going to bitch and moan about it like a sissy.
I care about my country, and my brothers and sisters who are suffering under the miserable tenure of your lord-god, Obama….therefore I want to TOTALLY put democrats asunder. You are a terminal Disease!!!……..You are DESTROYING the United States.
Defeating democrats, is a major VICTORY for America….
I’m very sincere about that. I tell you that to your face, if you don’t like it, kiss my @$$…You are an anti-American, democrat, failed-loser piece of S#!t…now go sit down and Shut up…you’ve done enough already…Obliterating you, and fixing the mess you’ve made, is what matters most, right now.
Hope that is clear enough for you…
Let’s examine this:
Prez Obama will trade 5 enemy soldiers for a guy who just walks away but we have a Marine in Mexico, who has been beaten, stripped and is being held in a country that American dollars are spent. Absolutely nothing is being done at this point ???
I guess he has no “value” to the administration. Perhaps Susan Rice can explain that…
The Marine In Mexico loves America, like us. The deserter hates America, like Obama and the Taliban…
Hope that helps explain it…
The Marine in Mexico is not a POW for starters.
Traitor Bowe was not a POW.He apparently walked away and joined the Taliban and apparently collaborated to help terrorists kill American soldiers.
There is no evidence of this other than a bunch of Fox News people declaring it so, so good luck with that.
We are at war. He was a prisoner. Sorry but that meets the definition, just as the detainees we let go were POWs.
Oh.I guess all of his fellow soldiers are liars?That you Jane Fonda or John Kerry?
Why do all you American hating liberal always cheer for the enemy?
Sadly it seems most of the time we liberals love America more than you “conservatives.” We care about free speech, freedom of religion, and bringing home one of our own.
Read the article above and you will see a lot of his fellow soldiers lack any discipline whatsoever and were generally fuck-ups…yes.
If he really did desert his post, it is up to the military to bring charges against him and nail him if found guilty.
Yep! …. and Manning’s roomie until he confesses!
Even if he is brought to justice, there’s already murmurs that “5 years is enough”.
He’ll likely get thirty days.
Shit, there’ll likely be a fucking beer summit with he, his wackjob dad, some Durka Durkas, and Nanny O.
“. . . . wackjob dad . . .”
Uh – hitting a little close to home there don’t you think?
So Bergdahl abandons his unit and his country….and the REST of his fellow soldiers are the ones who “lack discipline and were generally fuck-ups.” Got it. There’s nothing like reading the twisted, upside-down reasoning of today’s liberal.
Uh, sorry bro. The Army admitted that he walked off- they only question their initial investigation left open was whether he planned to return at some point (this is an important distinction in the UCMJ).
What ever happened in that whole abu Ghraib thing? Didn’t they pin it on a girl?
Fifteen soldiers in rank from private to brigadier general were found guilty in one fashion Orr another. The general was reduced in rank, there were multiple court martials with
Huh? You mean the crazy, stupid pics? I can’t remember exactly, but yeah, I believe they stuck a few low level enlisted cats and maybe an officer or three maybe even one general officer). Nothing too serious (i.e., long pulls in jail) as I recall, but I would have to dig that up. It was a mess.
There is no evidence of his being a traitor or joining the Taliban. He escaped twice, once for three days before recaptured. Pretty sure that isn’t “joining the Taliban.”
Except for the intelligence reports from a CENTCOM contractor that say a member of the Haqqani network reported that he had become a mujahid. Pretty sure that is joining the Taliban.
Every news source is reporting just about the same story, where do you get that this is so called Fox News “fake scandal”? Go ahead and say it aloha steve, be the first one to officially dub it a fake scandal.
From the WSJ to liberal CNN, everyone sees we have a traitor in the White House, people are outraged and the anger is growing.
Actually after an investigation the DVD chose not to list Bergdahl as a POW nor as MIA because of the fact he deserted.
After 31 days he should have been classified as a deserter.
TBG furnished a wigwam from them, once.
Col. Jessep: Son, we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Who’s gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Weinburg? I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for Santiago, and you curse the Marines. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That Santiago’s death, while tragic, probably saved lives. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives. You don’t want the truth because deep down in places you don’t talk about at parties, you want me on that wall, you need me on that wall. We use words like honor, code, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon, and stand a post. Either way, I don’t give a damn what you think you are entitled to.
And you do recall that shortly thereafter Col Jessep was arrested – right?
Here you go Aloha Steve.
Col. Jessep: Son, we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Who’s gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Weinburg? I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for Santiago, and you curse the Marines. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That Santiago’s death, while tragic, probably saved lives. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives. You don’t want the truth because deep down in places you don’t talk about at parties, you want me on that wall, you need me on that wall. We use words like honor, code, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon, and stand a post. Either way, I don’t give a damn what you think you are entitled to
Bingo! Did you see the SMILE Obama broke into when the traitor soldiers Muslim dad broke into his praising Allah prayer in Arabic?
Obama is a muslim.He supports the Muslim Brotherhhod and Taliban.The ‘drone’ strikes were just a cover as he tried to install the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt and turn Iraq and Libya over to Al Queda and other terrorist groups.Why he stands by Assad in Syria.
Only chance this Marine has is to convert to Islam and start dressing like the Taliban.He needs to walk around his jail cell chanting ‘death to America’ and ask for a transfer to Gitmo.
He would be released in hours.
I am hoping this post is not real because it couldn’t be any dumber.
Just reported.He converted to Islam.
The traitor declared himself a self identified “Warrior for Islam”.
Smirks, she did and succeeded.
Couldn’t be any dumber?
Careful, Sandi might accept your challenge.
“Careful, Sandi might accept your challenge.”
Oops – too late!
I agree. They post the same old crapola regardless of the subject of the thread over and over and over.
I agree. They post the same old crapola regardless of the subject of the thread over and over and over.
I’m guessing that is supposed to be some insult to me, huh? How does fuck you sound this morning?
I am hoping this post is not real because it couldn’t be any dumber.
You need to check out economic comments by Jan, Jack and Tom. …or almost any of Grand Tango’s comments….
Verily, TBG says unto thee, “You ain’ seen nuttin’, Yet!”
Obama is a muslim.
I’m so glad when these morons put stuff like this at the beginning of the post, it saves me from having to take the rest of the comment seriously in any way.
Honestly, I feel like I’m pretty level headed, and I seriously don’t know exactly what to think about him or who the man really is. Do you? It is quite strange that when the social security number he purports to be his own is run through e-verify, it comes back flagged. DeAndre Cole says, What’s Up With That?
Honestly, I feel like I’m pretty level headed
Hannity looks like he was hit with one of those cartoon frying pans.
Isn’t Hannity affectionately known as Slant Head?
I’ve never heard a single person on either side of the party line speak poorly of him, you girls have fun with that.
“I’ve never heard a single person on either side of the party line speak poorly of him . . . ”
How long have you been deaf? Sorry to hear that.
“Honestly, I feel like I’m pretty level headed . . . ”
Hmm . . . well . . . . uh . . . oh, never mind.
How did FITS get a picture of the 6 socialist trolls that occupy this forum and why did they attach it to this article? :-)
Holy shit…..this post is pretty f’in funny. I didn’t think people could be this damned dumb in the age of the internet.
Marry her BigT
Totally agree Sandi, everyone sees it. He has given economic, military, diplomatic, and political support to hardcore terrorist groups over and over, destabilizing the middle east, destroying our alliance with Israel, and strengthening the position of Islamic supremacists. Giving billions to the Muslim Brotherhood, ideological father of Al Qaeda, plunging Lybia into chaos to run guns to the Syrian militias comprised of foreign jihadists and AQ, in an effort to cause more chaos in Syria, and more destabilization. The military weapons alone are astounding, we are arming our enemies, we are arming Al Qaeda. Turning NASA into a muslim outreach center when they can barely manage to build a two story building. The U.S. now supports the guys who throw acid in girls faces, stones and beats and murders women, and now they have five top AQ commanders, who are free to move about Qatar and live in luxury, while 66,000 central American women and children are creating a refugee crisis in Texas. Wonder who else is walking in, people are flying to Mexico from all over the world to illegally enter.
They were not AQ but make up the facts that suit you. You seem to be great at it.
John McCain said they were TB and AQ. I’m sure he’s briefed better on these things than you. Say Aloha and go back to Hawaii or Kenya where you belong.
That dumbass jarhead ‘got lost’ and entered Mexico with weapons.
I’m somewhat OK with the general idea that America will go to great lengths to safely bring back our own–even knuckleheads and doofuses who walked away.
I’m less comfortable with trading five high level detainees who will most assuredly be free, and highly motivated, to return to their terrorist ways.
I’m really uncomfortable with orchestrating a White House photo-op and press conference, complete with the guy’s parents, in a way that makes this swap seem like a magnanimous accomplishment of diplomacy and humanitarianism. And Susan Rice says he served “honorably and with distinction”. Seriously? Not to mention the curious timing that suggests this was a bald-faced attempt to deflect attention from the VA scandal.
As the actual FACTS start coming out about Bowe Bergdahl, here is what we know:
1. Bergdahl had left his base without permissions on at least one prior occasion, and had come back! This is according to a report in the Army Times. In fact, his fellow soldiers failed to report it at the time. The implications of this are huge. It means that it would be impossible to prove desertion under UCMJ Article 85, because you cannot prove he intended to leave permanently. Specifically, that article states:
(a) Any member of the armed forces whoâ??
(1) without authority goes or remains absent from his unit, organization, or place of duty with intent to remain away therefrom permanently;
(2) quits his unit, organization, or place of duty with intent to avoid hazardous duty or to shirk important service; or
(3) without being regularly separated from one of the armed
forces enlists or accepts an appointment in the same or another on of
the armed forces without fully disclosing the fact that he has not been
regularly separated, or enters any foreign armed service except when
authorized by the United States; is guilty of desertion.
The only two provisions that remotely could be applicable to Bowe
Bergdahl are subsections (1) and (2). The first one is eliminated by the
fact that he had done this before. Given that he returned on the prior
occasion, it would be extremely difficult to prove an intent to “remain
away….permanently.” The second subsection is also difficult to prove
if he left his base at night, when he was not otherwise on duty. So, as a
consequence, you can pretty much rule out Bergdahl being charged with
“desertion.” At worst, he can be charged under Article 86: Absence Without Leave.
That is a far less serious charge, and “time served” as a POW of the
Haqqani network would probably be deemed sufficient punishment. Which,
incidentally, would also considered an extenuating circumstance under
UPDATE: The 35 page classified Army report (as reported to the New York Times)
that was compiled 2 months after Bergdahl disappeared, concluded that
he had left his unit twice, not once. And the Army blamed lax security
practices and a lack of discipline. Moreover, the supposed letter he
left confessing to everything was not mentioned in the report at all.
2. According to the now famous article by Michael Hastings about Bergdahl,
his unit was basically a bunch of undisciplined fuck ups who went out
on patrol without helmets, lost weapons, totally lacked morale and
respect for military authority, etc. At least two commanders were
actually demoted! So, you have to take with a grain of salt the
accusations being made against Bergdahl by these people. Especially now
that we know they failed to report Bergdahl left the base without
permission on a prior occasion, and are still telling the media that he
is a “deserter” when they know damn well that’s not true.
3. The New York Times has also reported
that it is almost impossible to attribute the losses the unit suffered
to Bergdahl, or looking for Bergdahl. Given the lack of unit discipline,
etc. One wonders whether Bergdahl is being scapegoated by these people,
who were drummed up by GOP political operatives. You don’t want to
minimize the pain of the families of the lost soldiers. But, frankly,
there is a tremendous amount of misinformation being pushed. And, a lot
of speculation. It’s just an unprovable allegation.
4. And, finally, Bergdahl’s apparent heroism while in captivity has been almost completely ignored and glossed over. The Daily Beast originally reported
that Bergdahl lulled his captors into believing he was sympathetic to
them, and when they let their guard down he escaped for 3 days. When
they finally found him in a hand-dug trench he covered with leaves, he
was nearly naked an exhausted. Yet, it took 5 Taliban to subdue him as
he fought back trying to avoid being recaptured.
Just last night, we found out that he escaped not once, but twice! Because of this, his captors kept moving him around and kept him under tight wraps. This made it exceedingly difficult and risky to attempt a rescue mission.
And, finally, the infamous “ashamed to be an American” e-mails that
numbnuts like Sarah Palin keep using to attacking Bergdahl, were
actually quite patriotic in context. He was complaining about the low
caliber of person he had to suffer through in his unit, and how crappily
they treated the Afghans (In one case, he said they indifferently ran
over a child with a truck!). He was ashamed of the way the military
He was not expressing a desire to join the Taliban. He felt sympathy
for the Afghan civilians who were being mistreated and abused by both
sides. (These e-mails were reported in Michael Hastings’ profile
When all is said and done, and Bergdahl is allowed to give his side
of the story, the Republicans and Conservatives who were attacking him
are going to regret it.
One other point on this that I didn’t address in my comment. All of
the crazy rightwingers who are suggesting that Bergdahl be executed for
desertion are even more batshit crazy than it might seem at first. Even
if he WAS guilty of desertion (a proposition which is extremely doubtful
at this point), only one U.S. service member has been executed for the
offense since the Civil War! That man was Pvt. Eddie Slovik during World War II.
In his case, he signed a confession — over the objections of his
commanders! – and was defiant of military authority. Eventually, Dwight
Eisenhower authorized his execution to set an example.
Moreover, in 1974 President Gerald Ford signed a conditional amnesty for Vietnam War deserters, if they agreed to two years of public service in some other capacity.
And, finally, the lone soldier convicted in connection with the My
Lai massacre of Civillian Vietnamese villagers during Vietnam — Lt.
William Calley — had his sentence reduced to House arrest and then finally commuted to time served by President Nixon after 3 years.
And, to make this even more pertinent, Staff Sgt. Robert Bales, who
plead guilty to murdering 16 Afghan Civilians in their homes, was sentenced to life in prison without possibility of parole.
In other words, the batshit rightwingers want to impose a sentence on
Bowe Bergdahl that is a) unsupported by any evidence; b) hasn’t been
imposed on a US Soldier in 70 years, and only once in 140 years; and c)
more harsh than what was imposed on convicted mass murderers of
Go fuck yourself, we all know how to read since last weekend this has been going on so take your bullshit Daily Kos cut and pastes and shove em up your ass.
Truth hurts doesn’t it, bitch!
Only when the head goes in…
Where to even begin – guy he mailed his stuff home before walking off the 2nd 3rd 4th time, whatever – decent sign he’ s not intent on coming back. His ‘captors’ killed many over the years with no provocation – but for some reason even after allegedly fooling them, & twice escaping & allegedly finding enough leaves to cover himself five of them get there assessment kicked and he keeps getting filmed in good health exercising etc cetera and everyone else keeps getting filmed with their heads getting cut off?
Hey, think of the savings. Instead of spending millions per year to house 5 terrorists forever, now we just have to spend several hundred thousand housing one deserter for a few years.
They were not terrorists. They were members of the Taliban which is not a terrorist organization. Two, under the Geneva Convention, they could not have been housed forever, but would have been released at the latest in 2016 when the War in Afghanistan was over because they were POWs. That is why we were able to hold them indefinitely for 12 years.
They are terrorist. And so are you. You have been reported for being a possible threat to the security and well being of the United States of America.
You do realize that the Geneva Convention doesn’t apply to the terrorists in Gitmo and that we never ratified much of the convention (parts I and II)
He’s a troll. He doesn’t have a clue what he is talking about.
See above. Learn something. (I know you are interested in that, but I thought I thought would throw out there anyway)
“He’s a troll”
Now THAT is rich coming from you!
You do realize that the Geneva Convention absolutely applies to Gitmo….might want to read some US law on that, particularly those opinions from the US Supreme Court who concluded otherwise. Bush lost that argument years ago. Also…we ratified the entire convention. With did not ratify Protocols I and II, though they were in fact signed, and in fact, we are determined by the international community to be bound by them despite the lack of ratification due to the fact that we signed them. And those Protocols only applied to victims of the violence. Not the combatants.
There are plenty of folks who have nothing to do with the Taliban. Agreed. These 5 people however.
Read the SCOTUS decisions. You don’t find it odd that they’re still kept in a foreign country? I wonder why that is?
As a former officer of the JAG Corp and licensed in 4 states to practice law I’ve read them for what they say and what they don’t say.
Bergdahl sent emails to his father explaining he wanted to renounce his American citizenship, left a note for his unit to read, wandered off post, sought out the Taliban and in the days, weeks and month after his desertion attacks on US troops in the area became more targeted and precise. That my friends is no POW… that is a traitor. If Bergdahl wasn’t providing the enemy with important information, his head would have been sawed off and broadcast on Durka Durka Television in HD. Any of you sitting around “waiting for the story to unfold” is clearly only waiting for the narrative to written, edited and rewritten by Barry and Co.
And your source of this? The people in his unit? Doubtful. They were a bunch of fuck-ups who were interesting in covering their own asses. His unit would go on patrols in baseball hats and lose their weapons. I just read all the emails he wrote is father and there was NOTHING in there about renouncing his citizenship. He spoke to his commander before he left the base and his commander told him he could not take his NV goggles or his weapon. He tried to escape twice as well.
A bunch of fuck ups? How does it feel toting water for Obama, because you’re so polluted with partisanship you can’t see past it?
That is laughable considering your post consists of of Fox News propaganda.
From 2012–which by the way, is when Congress knew they were working on a deal to release 5 detainees in exchange for Bergdahl.
The discipline problems that had plagued Bowe’s unit back home only got worse when immersed in the fog of war. From the start, everything seemed to go wrong. In April, Lt. Fancey was removed from his post for clashing with a superior officer. He was replaced by Sgt. 1st Class Larry Hein, who had never held such a command – a move that left the remote outpost with no officers. According to four soldiers in the battalion, the removal of Fancey was quickly followed by a collapse in unit morale and an almost complete breakdown of authority.
The unruly situation was captured by Sean Smith, a British documentary filmmaker with The Guardian who spent a month embedded with Bowe’s unit. His footage shows a bunch of soldiers who no longer give a shit: breaking even the most basic rules of combat, like wearing baseball caps on patrol instead of helmets. In footage from a raid on a family compound, an old Afghan woman screams at the unit, “Look at these cruel people!” One soldier bitches about what he sees as the cowardice of the Afghan villagers he is supposed to be protecting: “They say like, the Taliban comes down and aggravated their town and harasses them… Why don’t you kill those motherfuckers? All of you have AKs. If someone is going into my hometown, I know my town wouldn’t stand for that shit. I’d be like, ‘Fuck you, you’re dead.'” Another soldier laments, “These people just want to be left alone.” A third agrees: “They got dicked with by the Russians for 17 years, and now we’re here.”
You can read more here–but you won’t because you might learn something you don’t like.
|Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/americas-last-prisoner-of-war-20120607page=3#ixzz33nigztDB
Laughable considering I haven’t watched a frame of FOX news since I cancelled cable almost 9 months ago. There’s a huge difference between “bunch of soldiers who no longer give a shit” and a guy that walks off post and seeks out the enemy. Regarding Sean Smith, have we learned nothing from the likes of Micheal Moore and Al Gore, the story is made up in the editing suite.
I wonder what would happen if Bachmann and Sharpton had a baby.. what party would it vote for?
Sharpton would use the “phone a friend” option to call Gosnell for a step by step solution.
The irony is, Sharpton and Bachmann got elected.
Seeks out the enemy? Got a source for that? Didn’t think so. He was captured. He escaped twice but was recaptured.
Sgt. Evan Buetow lays it all out for you here… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGreLRGoMpg
polarization is such a bitch!
Polarization is a dish best served by Obama.
I blame Bush.
Why did the chicken cross the road?
Because the pervert couldn’t get his dick out.
” . . . . because you’re so polluted with partisanship you can’t see past it . . . ”
And THAT coming from YOU of all people is simply incredible!
Put the bong down and read my posts more carefully.
Wonder if these events are tied to the DOJ and Holder going after reporter James Rosen @ Fox? Rosen apparently is going to expose this traitors collaboration with the Taliban and the cover-up by the government.
Jay, Some are hopeless and doomed. Problem is they doom the rest of us with their blind, unimformed stupidity!
If the gloves don’t fit – you must acquit!
You seem very knowledgeable about these things. What branch of the military did you serve in? Are you a Gulf war vet?
Didn’t you hear William? “Is it, is it, is it Friday or Saturday? What difference does it make?” Now, I actually believe Harry Reid doesn’t know what day of the week it is, but what an unconvincing con man. Pulling a Hitlary move out of the ole playbook. Is he joking?
Well I guess one could say that Bergdahl was a better American than you. He joined the Army and went over to defend you way of life while you say at home and did nothing.
Single father of two is hardly nothing, there buddy. Do you always judge people you don’t know based on zero information?
“Single father of two is hardly nothing, there buddy. Do you always judge people you don’t know, based on zero information?”
You man like you judging Bergdahl’s dad or judging the father of the Hernandez boy murdered in California?? Please.
Good stuff – if every soldier were willing to ‘fight’ for the American way of life in the manner Bergdahl did – we’d all be speaking Grenadine right now. Lol, you sound like some low level Obama JAG appointee who built up his muscles carrying some one else water?
Fuck You, Senator Graham …. Obama must be impeached like YESTERDAY!! >>> “Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) warned Wednesday that Republican lawmakers would call for President Obama’s impeachment if he released more prisoners from Guantanamo Bay without congressional approval.”
Grahamnasty sounds like the guy that said “If you do that one more time I’m going to be really really mad. Knowing the whole time he doesn’t have the balls to do anything but talk — in an election year. The other five years it’s “Elections have consequences.” Let’s dump Graham. RESTORE HONOR VOTE CONNOR.
He’s already considering doing it again. Let’s see if the RINO’s “red line” is any more binding than the Pretender-In Chief’s is.
Bergdahl”s statement from above sounds familiar , Must have taken traitor lessons from John, Benedict Arnold, Kerry.
So, how much time did you spend in uniform. Did you get your ass shot at in Nam or the Gulf, or are you just a chicken hawk.
None of your business but: I spent three years in the US Army. 67-70. One year in Vietnam (68) I was shot at but with an Engineer MOS didn’t get to shoot back. We had infantry support on job sights when necessary I have seen men shot and, blown up.. After Vietnam I was assigned to Fitzsimons Hosp. in Denver where I saw the results of booby traps and the like. I am not a Lindsey Graham chicken hawk but I do know a coward when I see one. If I could have filled out my own incident reports maybe I would have been a hero like Kerry. NOT.
“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear.”
Meanwhile, the gates are wideeeeeeee open to illegal cockroaches to waltz right in from Mexico into the USA. And Graham condones this.
He worked hard to earn the name Grahamsty.
PHOTOS: Children warehoused on border…
White House welcomes more…
Local News: ‘Go to America with child, you won’t be turned away’…
Border influx strains AZ shelters…
CA Naval base readies housing…
Dumped illegals head to cities across country…
San Diego Border Patrol to Relase 500 Illegals Per Week…
ECONOMIST: Inequality reaching ‘spectacular’ heights…
Potential Tom Ervin petition signees!????
Dumped Illegals Headed For South Carolina. Lindsey Graham welcomes them all with open arms.
Recent HeadlinesAltered headlines copy/pasted from Drudge
Your head is bad.
You forgot this:http://www.wjtv.com/story/25695136/president-of-central-ms-tea-party-found-locked-in-circuit-clerks-office
Graham doesn’t condone them staying illegal. Amnesty for everyone! :P
Almost the entire nation is shaking it’s fist at Obama and his cronies. The shit is going to really hit the fan this time.
You know it’s bad when Sen. Frankenstein is mad at Obozo.
We should have sent a drone to kill him.
Expound upon it all, Sic. Its a good time to get the people more awaken to everything going on both on a national level, and state level.
Lock this guy Bergdahl in the same cell with Manning — keep him there until he confesses!
I’m glad we have the DIQ (Deserter In Question) back in US custody -so we can convene a court martial.
But the DWNB (Dickheads With No Brain) that comment on this site would rather Bergdahl remain in the hands of the enemy and continue to be tortured by them. Apparently since his father grew a beard that somehow makes the whole family Muslim and traitors – yet that bearded dad from Duck Dynasty is a right-wing darling once he outed himself as a homophobe. Go figure.
I think most of us are happy that the DIQ is back but many are concerned about the cost. No one wanted the DIQ tortured and there really isn’t evidence that he was. Mr. Berghdahl is a freaking loon, there is no way you can explain his actions. As for Phil Robertson, what offends you most, the beard, the message or the fact that so many agree with him?
No one wanted the DIQ tortured? Read some of the posts. There is as much evidence that he was tortured as there is that he was a traitor – why not let all the facts come out and let military justice run its course before passing judgment? I did not say that Phil Robertson offended me in any way – read my post again. I applaud Phil Robertson’s right to say whatever he’d like – and I have the same right as well of course. The point I was making is that all of these freaking loons (your terminology) that are saying that the Dad grew a beard to be in solidarity with the Taliban have not passed the same judgment on Phil Robertson and his beard. And what bothers you about what I said about Phil Robertson? The fact that so many disagree with him?
Congressman James Clyburn of SC supports what Obama did. James Clyburn supports “white people” being killed by terrorist. James Clyburn obviously wishes more of our American soldiers to die at the hands of terrorist from Afghanistan.
What a loon.
And to be a standout loon in this place ain’t just whistlin’ Dixie.
I’m getting the biggest kick out of watching the usual libturd suspects running around in this forum trying to stamp out fires. Stop toting water for such an embarrassing President. Please, you look really dumb.
I wonder how much damage we did by buying pot from criminals.
I think one of the Fast and Furious gun showed up at a Target in Myrtle Beach today.
Was a fat guy with short pants carrying it?
Probably some anti gun nut.
Never let a mormon set your buzz level.
“I think one of the Fast and Furious gun showed up at a Target in Myrtle”
Maybe it was one of the guns from Operation Wide Receiver?
I know, it is truly amazing, like cockroaches scurrying around blathering “No he didn’t! No he didn’t!” When it has been the top of the fold round the clock story, hell even Hastings the Rolling Stones reporter that died in a car crash was covering this story years ago.
He did cover it. You obviously didn’t read it.
Jay, there’s a clip from Morning Schmo on MSLSD, Mika Spawn of Bregzinzski who gave us the Ayatollahs of Iran, even Mika flipped out, can’t believe it, so good for a laugh. Wonder if Jay Carney decided to skip the shitshow.
Morning Schmo …
Easy there BB.
FedEx just delivered TBG a new combo pack of “Trail of Tears+White[underprivilege] +Anti-semite” cards that he will be playing later on.
Mr. GrandTango made me do it or get fired! ((( sobbing relentlessly )))
” Please, you look really dumb.”
Oh me . . . where to even begin.
Please, by all means, begin…
Supply and demand…. Terrorists are a soldier a dozen these days.
If I were a POW, I wouldn’t want politicians and pundits getting to decide whether I was worth trading for or not. Bring them all home.
There was a soldier in Vietnam who tried to defect but ended up in a prison camp. We brought him home and then courtmartialed him. It’s standard procedure. You can’t just leave your soldiers in enemy hands.
Are you saying that the word “American” means something special?
Nobody said imperialism is easy.*
Especially by a nation whose citizens value its individual soldiers.
And imperialism in “the graveyard of empires” might have come with some special precautions or realizations wouldn’t you think?
*Oh wait, the neocons did.
But we’re not talking about the V.A. scandal, right?
Here is the point:
1. He was and is a US Army soldier. He served his country. He wore the uniform.
2. He was in the possession of the enemy.
3. We don’t leave our men behind. Period. We have made POW exchanges in every war since the beginning of our country’s existence.
4. We don’t leave the Taliban to determine his guilt or innocence on whether his unauthorized leave was something more.
5. We don’t let the Taliban enforce our laws and carry out our punishments, regardless of the crime.
6. He is presumed innocent.
7. He will have his day in court if it is determined there is sufficient evidence that he deserted or collaborated or whether he was suffering from PTSD or had a mental breakdown.
8. Not a damn person on this site knows the truth about those details and yet not a goddamned one of you wants to give the man the presumption of innocence.
9. Like it or not, he is one of us. Born and raised one of us. I am damn glad he is back in American custody because unlike a lot of you one here, I support every man or woman who has served his country. And if he committed a crime he will be made to answer for it.
10. If it were your brother, sister, son, daughter, cousin, father or mother, you too would do every thing in your power to have the government free them.
If I was in the Chinook that picked him up, I would have pushed him out a 5000 feet…and blame it on “turbulence”.
Glad our servicemen and women over there are better people than you are.
Ummm. Congress does not have to authorize jack shit here. The right is complaining about no notification. The commander in chief can do whatever he pleases in the course of running a war. At least that was the talk during W’s day.
I ain’t saying it’s good policy. But it wasn’t illegal by any stretch to DO it.
Actually he can’t, they’ve changed the law a little.
Maybe you should notify Dianne Feinstein, Democrat head of the Senate Intelligence Committee, she disagrees with your imbecilic pronouncements:
“It comes to us with some surprise and dismay that the transfers
went ahead with no consultation, totally not following law,” Feinstein
told reporters following a closed door meeting.
RHood2 – Chuck Hagel and Obama disagree with you and openly admit they broke the law but felt they “had to” because Bergdahl was about to die – clearly he was not, and the assurances they didn’t get from Qatar, so there’s that.
The WH claims AWOL Private Bergdahl’s health was in peril. Shoot, if he was stateside, it would take him 5 months to see a doctor at Dorn’s VA Hospital in Rep Joe Wilson’s district.
Why not trade the the illegal immigrants being released at a Texas Greyhound bus station by Immigration and Customs Enforcement for our Marine held hostage by Mexico since May 2013? Let him take the Greyhound back to Texas?
The five Al-Qaeda generals were most likely released with help from Graham and McCain to whip up morale of rebels in Syria to finish the takeover of Assad.
BTW…Syria still has chemical weapons. Obama and Kerry are mad and will not tolerate these weapons in Syria…well, maybe not.
To FITSNEWS for finally posting something about this….
Also for posting with seemingly greater regularity than usual while on vacation.
Internet connection+minions=livin’ large @ the beach fulltime, boyee!!!!!
THE FUCKING CURTIS LOFTIS VIDEO/AUDIO ON THE HOMEPAGE THAT COMES BLARING OUT OF TBG”S SPEAKERS WITH NO WAY TO MUTE OR TURN OFF.
Come on in TBG, the water is shark filled.
It is annoying, indeed. Makes me want to delete Fits from my bookmarks.
BLARING OUT OF TBG’S SPEAKERS WITH NO WAY TO MUTE OR TURN OFF.
TBG has told people all his life that he is “not as dumb as [he] looks.” The most common response is “You couldn’t be!”
TBG knew most of these… it just… *thinks of a polite way to convey his thoughts* ..uh JUST PISSED TBG OFF TO NO FUCKING END THAT HE COULDN”T JUST CLICK ON THAT PISSANT LITTLE AD AND MAKE IT GO AWAY FOREVER OR AT LEAST SHUT THE FUCK UP!!
That ad was *virtually* holding TBG against his will. If there are any unscrupulous lawyers *WinBlogger Redundancy Alarm sounds* on this board and Loftis has any *recoverable* assets….please contact TBG.
Couple of observations here:
1. Has FITS ever served in the armed forces…much less served in war time combat in hostile areas as Bergdhal did?
2. Why does FITS not mention Israel swapping 1000 Islamic militants for 1 soldier a couple years back?
3. Bergdhal was not wrong is his assessment of America’s actions vis a vis Iraq and the way the war was being managed in Afghanistan at the time he wrote those emails. He’s also not wrong on the US Military’s entrenched system of poor mid-level leadership.
4. So you all are saying that we should just leave our captive, active duty American personnel behind to rot…despite these same GOP douche bags calling for his release just months prior…even to the point of prisoner exchanges?
5. Lastly, even Fox News’ own Charles Krauthammer has defended the prisoner swap…and he’s meant to be the grande gentleman conservative scholar on a network that is otherwise composed of nimcumpoops and nitwits.
This was a bad idea – whether fits had been a Navy SEAL or not, weather another country thought it was a good idea or not. His “capture” has never been corroborated, only his leaving and likely desertion. Obama admittedly broke the law – with no exceptions, and notably called the guy a POW – the DoD due to the circumstances of his volitional leaving of the military never catagorized him as a POW or even MIA. You cite Krauthmauer, how about even Fienstien saying she was disappointed? FWIW, I’m a huge dem, double militray brat and think Bush’s presidency will mark the turning point in American greatness – BUT this was a poorly thought out bone headed, strategically militarily, political worthless and likely detrimental move. How many British soldiers would the colonist have traded for Benidict Arnold’s release – hopefully less than five. This was just stupid.
So your position is to leave American service personnel under the control of the enemy?
Love the false Hobsons choice LAPK – perhaps follow the law, bother to Google the guy first, confirm that he’s actually being held captive and that this is not just one last thing he can due to help aid our enemy/his new compatriots – be it a conscious choice on his part or otherwise. don’t end run around congress when you don’t even need their consent just because you can’t take the criticism. Don’t even care for Saxby Chambliss, but when he requested Bergdahl’s file, the executive branch had removed sections of it without not a ting it – likely in order to cover up the clear stupidity of this move. Not sure if I’m more upset about how breath taking-lyrics incompetent this was or that it puts me in the position of agreeing with people like Hannity, Limbaugh etc cetera.
Again, is your position to abandon an active duty American Serviceman/woman to be held against their will by the enemy? Yes or no.
LAPK don’t be a fool sir – I already said I wouldn’t take the bait of a false choice. Would you bomb an entire city if you knew 100+ child rapists and abusers could be stopped – if you say “no” can I come back and just keep saying “so is your position to let child abusers and rapists go free!?!” If you answer “yes” to my – ludicrous – hypothetical then I’ll just assume you’re actually on Obama’s military decision making committee. If you believe situations can be more complex than that, l’ll believe you’re not a Republican.
Usually your comments are above such elementary foolishness…
Flattery aside, I will take your parsing of words and evasion to indicate that indeed you would choose to allow a serving member of the American armed forces to remain a prisoner, likely facing the very real prospect of death, in the hands of the enemy.
So the creed now is…”Yeah, we leave some people behind”…well done.
If we had traded Bush or Obama for this guy both your premise and mine would still be sound. The swap would be BEYOND asinine, but defended blindly by some as us “never leaving a man behind” and as you try to artfully point out – what reasonable person could EVER argue with that no matter the circumstance?
Also, l love it! I was hoping it was going to be another “so your position is…” look, this was clearly the ONLY way to handle the situation, so I see why you consider such a binary operation. So I guess you’re the kind of guy who favors lettin child rapists go free. No wait leveling whole cities in order to stop a few bad guys j/k. In all seriousness, my best to you brother, get some shut eye – whenever you do – that’s where I’m headed
Those five guys probably can’t design a lemonade stand.
Sure is a lot of sky larkin goin on, more bull shit than bulls.
Why is this so familiar to TBG?
Idealistic young soldier becomes disillusioned with America and *defects* to the other side. Stays there a while, then decides to come back and is welcomed back by the government……
*Scratches head through the tinfoil*
Bowe Bergdahl : Employed soon at a book depository near you.
His middle name is “Robert”.
How many white rhinos could we have saved with those 5 terrorists instead?
don’t you even *care* if anyone gets your dumb jokes? I couldn’t go to my grave not knowing if my genius went unappreciated!
How do you do it?
don’t you even *care* if anyone gets your dumb jokes?
TBG’s an Alpha joke provider.
But, yeah, no love given on this one posted about the treated sewage spill did hurt:
TBG’s “yellowbone” cousin, Billy Ruben, hauls waste, also.
Are there no med school dropouts in heyah?
The reason Mike and I don’t comment on the “deep post network” is we were with MKUltra (the project, not the cannabis strain) at one time, having discovered each other on the DPN – agreed it wouldn’t be prudent to make further contacts, to help maintain our cover.
However, after some consultation, and possibly with some irrational exuberance, decided that there’s probably no one still watching, anyway.
Obama and Graham both must be sent to prison for life.
“This is somebody’s child” does not apply to Obama’s vocab when an unborn child meets his or her executioner, namely the abortionist.
Obama has one thing in common with the abortionist, rather two – they love the slaughter and both are disgusting individuals.
Oh….My….God. How much more do we Americans have to endure?? It is getting insane. The POTUS has SS#’s that don’t make sense, he breaks our laws, he puts Americans in danger, he opens up flood gates for illegal aliens to come on in and force us working class people to take care of them, and then this man has the gall to call anyone that does not support him names like “racists, domestic terrorists, bigots, etc.”
Now let’s talk about all the sons and daughters that will be killed because Obama released these five Taliban terrorists.
Or the 520+ Bush released?
Obama is a dumbfuck.
First of all, no one really knows what happened (unless you listen to Fox News). If Bergdahl is a deserter, then he will be dealt with accordingly. Secondly, the 5 Gitmo detainees would have been released at the end of the year anyway. Finally, let’s be realistic– they (Iraqi, Afghani, etc.) all hate our government, five more in the fight is like pissing in the ocean and expecting the tide to change.
Amen. It’s not possible to really know what happened as long as you ignore common sense, the facts, and eyewitnesses.
I am in full agreement with your opinion on what’s 5 more terrorists fighting the U.S. I mean there’s like thousands of rapists worldwide, so what’s the big whoop when the prison system releases them early?
Jackie Chiles is a very appropriate name for you. He was a dumbass on the show and you….well surely you are smart enough to figure out where I am going with this.
(he typed, tears in his eyes)
All of the five released terrorists are in their 40s–there is no question after reading their bios that will return to their lifetime careers of murder and mayhem. All are Al Qaeda, two are wanted for the slaughter of thousands of shiites, why weren’t they turned over to the Hague?
Mullah Mohammad Fazl (Taliban army chief of staff): Fazl is “wanted by the UN for possible war crimes including the murder of thousands of Shiites.” Fazl “was associated with terrorist groups currently opposing U.S. and Coalition forces including al Qaeda, IslamicMovement of Uzbekistan (IMU), Hezb-e-Islami Gulbuddin (HIG), and an Anti-Coalition Militia group known as Harakat-i-Inqilab-i-Islami.” In addition to being one of the Taliban’s most experienced military commanders, Fazl worked closely with a top al Qaeda commander named Abdul Hadi al Iraqi, who headed al Qaeda’s main fighting unit in Afghanistan prior to 9/11.
Mullah Norullah Noori (senior Taliban military commander): Like Fazl, Noori is “wanted by the United Nations (UN) for possible war crimes including the murder of thousands of Shiite Muslims.” Beginning in the mid-1990s, Noori “fought alongside al Qaeda as a Taliban military general, against the Northern alliance.” He continued to work closely with al Qaeda in the years that followed.
The deserting and traitorous Bowe Bergdahl, along with his jihadist father, are perfectly symbolic of the Obama Administration.
Where did they hide Obama’s ‘prayer rug’ in Normady? One has to wonder with his head bowed today and eyes closed if he was recalling the Islamic prayer that Bergdahl’s jihadist father recited Saturday that brought such a huge smile to his face?
After all Obama once said “most beautiful sound I have ever heard is the Muslim call to prayer”.
You really are just a big fool, aren’t you? Are you Big T’s wife?
Leave it to the dems to throw their lot in with a literal deserter.
If it is any consolation, Private Bergdahl was most likely repeatedly raped by his musloid captors in the ass (again and again and again, and again), and he wished could be back with his unit killing the sob musloids and burning their musloid books with bacon bookmarks. Next time he puts on his uniform, he will know what it means to be free in liberty even if means turning your weapons at politicians who are enemies to our Articles of the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
It’s no surprise. It’s how they’ve deserted this country.
Dateline: June 6, 2014
At sunrise I raised my glass to toast and honor each of my paternal and maternal ancestors who served in the Pacific and European Theatres. Volunteers all, they went for their Country, Family and God. The sworn enemies who died from their actions received no regrets. Our families have been both grateful and appreciative, and have carried their ideals with us to this day. We were fortunate that each of
them returned physically and mentally healthy to pass on the purpose and the value of their service and to teach us what it means to be an American and to live an honorable life.
“senior taliban commanders”? yeah that phrase has the ring of unvarnished truth to it. i will believe that because i read it on the internet. Fits you sound like a patsy. we have no idea who many if not most of the people in guantanamo are and less idea what to do with them.
He’s coming home, period. Get over it. If it was anyone elses son they’d agree with it. Those parents of kids who later were killed in Afgahnistan simply find him to be a scape goat. Their kids died because there were in a war zone, not because of any other reason. But I guess in grief they need someone to blame for their son’s death.
Private Bergdahl is coming home with a 155 ml Howitzer sized asshole only to be put up on charges for desertion. He would have been better off biting off the dick of his last musloid rapist. That way he would be assured they would not have beheaded him, just hanged him with some rope. Bergdahl will be in prison soon enough. He will be someones bitch in Leavenworth. Too bad, really. We lost many good soldiers looking for him and could have trained many more with the money we spent picking him up. Next time, deserters will just be shot in the field.
There is no evidence we lost anyone looking for him. Just more propaganda. Wish you guys would learn to read something not on Drudge or Fox News.
They have to use fox, it’s only three letters to type. Truth is five letters – it perplexes them.
When are going to learn that when someone has lied to your face once, their word means nothing. The Obama Administration past and present lies every time they open their mouths. Are you really that gullible?
Two of the 6 were involved in the Afghan elections protecting people. Unless they thought Bergdahl was showing up to vote, their deaths had nothing to do with Bergdahl. The Army and the Pentagon have both said there is no evidence to support the claim about the 6, but I am sure you know more than they do.
I love anal sex.Wish I was Bowe.
Rocky I am with you.I hate my country . Bowe was right to desert.
Your god-Obama screwed up…yet again.
Freaking Hilarious…but I doubt the uptight liberals can laugh….Beats the CRAP out of the tired and worn out Jon Stewart or Colbert…
Rush: Obama Sings ‘You Didn’t Build That’ Parody
Read more at http://www.laughright.com/4548/rush-obama-sings-didnt-build-parody/#HjP6u8RdvwYdBhV8.99
these 5 guys were in our custody for over a decade and the military couldn’t make a case against them?!? If the so called “tribunals”were not so inept, these guys would be serving life terms in Marion, IL
Didn’t you post an article month or 2 ago about how people should be presumed innocent unless convicted by a jury (or in this case a Court Marshal)?
Why is this any different?
Also the US has always done prisoner exchanges as wars start to end.
It is our ethos that we never leave a fallen comrade. Welcome home SGT Bowe Bergdahl.
General Martin Dempsey
The 18th Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
Let’s see how the Sunday talk shows handle it. In case you have been away, the JCOS has been politicized since General Powell stepped down. The whole D.C. village has become unreliable.
Since Powell stepped down? The JCS has been politicized since day one.
What’s the big deal about the 1 : 5?
For several generations we’ve been blustering about how an American soldier is worth X enemy soldiers, with X not rarely 10+.
The commander in chief discounts them on the white market.
Should have injected the 5 Taliban with HIV before releasing them.
They probably have GPS units in their guts… wait a few months, and send drones to the various safe houses.
Looks like the gun freedom club let out.
An Afghan NRA chapter . . . “defending our freedoms.”
Retired Gen. Stanley McChrystal on Wednesday urged Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl’s critics not to “judge” him until all the facts are in and sharply defended the extensive and risky search efforts that claimed the lives of some of his fellow soldiers.
“We did a huge number of operations to try to stop the Taliban from being able to move him across the border into Pakistan,” McChrystal told Yahoo News in an exclusive interview. “And we made a great effort and put a lot of people at risk in doing that, but that’s what you should do. That’s what soldiers do for each other.”
Asked whether he would have made the same prisoner swap, McChrystal replied: “We don’t leave Americans behind. That’s unequivocal.”
US Senator Lindsey Graham is guilty of aiding and abetting illegal aliens … Obama is guilty of aiding and abetting murderers and terrorist. Both of these (less than) men are guilty of felonies. A federal statute prohibits use of taxpayer dollars or federal funds to pay for removal of anyone from Gitmo if Congress hasn’t been given 30 days notice. In other words, the sack of shit in the oval office has illegally spent YOUR money.
Received in today’s mail a large “Thank you Lindsay Graham” post card sent by “South Carolina Conservative Action Alliance” praising him on his Second Amendment “pro gun” votes, including this doozie:
“VOTED NO TO BANNING ASSAULT WEAPONS.”
Enough to cause me to vote for Nancy Mace, just to clean the closet so to speak. Graham is like bread gone bad.
Like Col. Kurtz in “Apocalypse Now”: “Completely, totally insane.”
E-G-B-D-F, Every Good Boy Deserves Firearms, right?
US Senator Lindsey Graham condones Holder Using Money Meant To Secure Border To Pay For Lawyers For Illegals To Avoid Deportation
Texas is being overrun by illegal aliens at the highest rates in U.S. history. More than 47,000 unaccompanied minors have been caught in the first five months of this year, a 92% increase over the same time period in 2013 . Obama is also dumping thousands of those illegals into Arizona, as payback for the crackdown on illegals by Gov. Jan Brewer and Sheriff Joe Arpaio.
The Obama Administration is working hand-in-hand with Central American governments to engineer this deliberate, unprecedented invasion of illegal aliens. La Raza groups are spreading the word that Obama will sign administrative amnesty. And nations like El Salvador and Honduras are urging women and children to make the grueling trek to cross the U.S. border, because Obama will never deport them, and they can receive jobs and taxpayer-funded welfare for life.
Obama has requested $2 billion — not to deport the illegals from this unprecedented invasion — but to house, clothe and feed them
Unlike legal residents or citizens, illegal aliens are NOT entitled to legal representation. So Holder is effectively creating a whole new money pit to prop up the right of illegals to stay in the country, after Obama enticed them to begin with with promises of amnesty.
Lindsey Graham secretly stands behind these lawless and rogues acts. However, Graham is out in the wide open that he supports AMNESTY for these cockroaches.
HEALTH THREAT: Growing concern immigrants bringing diseases across border… Thousands of illegal aliens who have just recently entered the USA and let go by feds are headed for South Carolina …. MCALLEN, TX – There’s a growing health concern with hundreds of illegal immigrants crossing over into southern Texas.
U.S. Border Patrol agents are worried that what’s coming over into the U.S. could harm everyone.
This time the focus is not on the women and children that are crossing over in droves.
Agents are worrying about a viral outbreak.
“We are sending people everywhere. The average person doesn’t know what’s going on down here,” said Border Patrol agent and Rio Grande Valley Union representative Chris Cabrera.
Cabrera says agents are seeing illegal immigrants come over with contagious infections.
You can agree or disagree with any of the many sagas that accompany this story except one indisputable fact. If Bergdahl had not made a personal choice to walk away from his post there would be no story. This entire fiasco rest on his shoulders and his alone. Honor Bergdahl if you desire, it will never be my choice.
Support most of our troops!
This troop deserved to be brought home, he also deserves the consequences of his actions.
Hope that answers your straw-man.
Bring our strawmen home!
So you consider them strawmen, nice.
strawmen need love too!
I Can’t Help But Notice That Conservatives Are Spitting On Our Returning Soldiers Again
As the dirty conservatives are wont to do. They consider the soldiers from lost imperialist wars to be “losers.”
Your dementia is salient.
I have read that the Vietnam Vets organizations were formed in no small measure because the “patriots” in American Legion, VFW, etc. “spit” on the returning Vietnam vets figuratively if not literally.
“We won OUR war!” (said the rear-echelon motor-pool truck-brake adjuster assigned to Surrey, who long claims to have instead been a machine-gunner at the Bulge).
Maybe what you read was wrong. I’m a Past Commander of a VFW post and that was in 70-71, no one spit on me.
I’ve never seen a sasquatch, either.
Like I said maybe what you read was wrong but keep hunting “sasquatch”. One day you’ll be an expert on that subject too.
VVA’S FOUNDING PRINCIPLE
“Never again will one generation of veterans abandon another.”
Yes that’s their founding principle and I understand where they are coming from but your interpretation…”I have read that the Vietnam Vets organizations were formed in no small measure because the “patriots” in American Legion, VFW, etc. “spit” on the returning Vietnam vets figuratively if not literally.”,,,is bull shit.
You say tomahto, I say tomayto.
Maybe what you read was wrong. I’m a Past Commander of a VFW post and that was in 70-71, no one spit on me.
354 comments here but only 10 on Obama’s Foreign Policy and some very conspicuously silent commentators, imagine that.
Obama just released five of the world’s most dangerous people
Yeah. The world’s most dangerous people.
Now we’ll have to hear another story about how we broke into a super secret safe house in Pakistan to kill *FIVE* guys watching old videos of themselves in their underwear.
I shudder to think how dangerous someone who could speak *two* languages with two camels, a funky looking sword, a vintage AK-47, 200 rounds of ammunition, some old fireworks, a good speaking voice and a high-school education would be.
Some nights, I can’t sleep thinking about a misogynistic al Qaeda cell training in Florida again… only this time, with high tech ceramic pen-knives and nail clippers in their shoes, and binary explosives in condoms ready to shit out of their butt.
My Republican neighbors are even more patriotic – they had to put rubber sheets on their beds, and spend most of their day running around in circles trying to get a handle on how much more dangerous the world just got.
In 2011, Israel freed 1,027 Palestinian prisoners in exchange for Sgt. Gilad Shalit. Bergdahl was exchanged for 5 Taliban prisoners
I guess because Bergdahl was a private…. or maybe because they knew the Republicans don’t put a high value on our soldiers, and had to act fast before they got wind of it.
Am I the only one who saw this headline and thought “Pearl Jam”?