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T-Rav Faces NY Drunk Driving Charge

Former S.C. Treasurer Thomas Ravenel will be in court later this week in East Hampton Village, New York, after he was arrested and charged with suspicion of driving while impaired (DWI) early Monday morning. The dashing reality TV star – who was reportedly accompanied at the time of his arrest…

Former S.C. Treasurer Thomas Ravenel will be in court later this week in East Hampton Village, New York, after he was arrested and charged with suspicion of driving while impaired (DWI) early Monday morning.

The dashing reality TV star – who was reportedly accompanied at the time of his arrest by prominent Palmetto socialite Kathryn Dennis – initially declined a breathalyzer exam following his traffic stop, which means his right to drive in the Empire State will be revoked for a year. Ravenel is in New York playing polo, according to The East Hampton Star – the local media outlet which broke the story.

At the time he was pulled over, Ravenel and Dennis were returning to a Long Island home from the Stephen Talkhouse – a club in the Hamptons. Ravenel acknowledged having a beer at the club and a glass of wine hours before during dinner – but maintains he was not inebriated.

“There are some mitigating factors I look forward to discussing regarding this situation when the time is right,” Ravenel said in a statement. “For now, though I am going to refer any requests for comment to my attorneys as we consider our options.”

South Carolina and New York have very different laws for driving while impaired – although both states have adopted .08 as their legal blood alcohol limit. Ravenel may have initially declined the breathalyzer without knowing New York imposes a far greater penalty for doing so.

Ravenel later attempted to take the breathalyzer exam, but was not permitted to do so.

Speculation regarding Ravenel’s arrest quickly centered around the Bravo reality show he will be starring in later this year – “Southern Charm.”

“I think it’s all for ratings,” one Lowcountry political strategist told FITS.”It’s all free advertising for his show.”

If so … mission accomplished.

Ravenel has been mulling a political comeback in recent weeks. In fact earlier this month he told Charleston, S.C. radio host Tara Servatius that he was considering pumping as much as $5 million of his own fortune into a bid for the U.S. Senate seat currently held by liberal “Republican” Lindsey Graham.

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126 comments

CNSYD July 22, 2013 at 9:35 pm

In the words of the late Jim Nabors aka Gomer Pyle, “SURPRISE! SURPRISE! SURPRISE!”.

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CNSYD July 22, 2013 at 9:35 pm

In the words of the late Jim Nabors aka Gomer Pyle, “SURPRISE! SURPRISE! SURPRISE!”.

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Todd July 22, 2013 at 9:37 pm

T-Rav is rad!

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Is this TMZ? Who cares? July 23, 2013 at 7:04 am

What the fuck does rad mean? Maybe you meant T-Rat or something along those lines?

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I see crazy people! July 23, 2013 at 10:33 am

Shut up Leaphart.

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Todd July 22, 2013 at 9:37 pm

T-Rav is rad!

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Is this TMZ? Who cares? July 23, 2013 at 7:04 am

What the fuck does rad mean? Maybe you meant T-Rat or something along those lines?

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I see crazy people! July 23, 2013 at 10:33 am

Shut up Leaphart.

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The Unhallowed Halls July 22, 2013 at 9:44 pm

T-Rav embarrssed our State again. It won’t be long before Sanford, Peeler, and Eckstrom do the same. These leopards are too long in the tooth to change their spots.
I predict Haley will do the same and if re-elected it will come about quickly. In my schooled opinion, the woman has a pathological problem with the truth, loyalty, committment and sex.

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Bogart July 23, 2013 at 9:05 am

Uh Oh two down votes. I see peeler, eckstrom, haley or sanford ARE reading Fits.

Or maybe it’s donna,kelly,michael, or maria!?

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You know me July 23, 2013 at 10:32 am

Yes, mental illness is very sad. Wonder why her parents did not get her help. They had to know something was very wrong with her.

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lindsey g July 23, 2013 at 3:00 pm

Indeed, a sad little girl.

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Guest July 22, 2013 at 9:44 pm

This happened this morning? Thought he was in Beaufort this morning with Mark Sanford.

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Curious July 22, 2013 at 11:45 pm

That was his dad. Yes, Arthur’s still alive.

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Citadel '87 July 23, 2013 at 12:05 am

Arthur Jr. divorced wife number one after conducting a multi-year affair with wife number two. Both father and son refer to their black hired help just like Paula Deen — calling them “niggers.” Father, son, and Kathryn Dennis, are trailer trash.

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The Unhallowed Halls July 22, 2013 at 9:44 pm

T-Rav embarrssed our State again. It won’t be long before Sanford, Peeler, and Eckstrom do the same. These leopards are too long in the tooth to change their spots.
I predict Haley will do the same and if re-elected it will come about quickly. In my schooled opinion, the woman has a pathological problem with the truth, loyalty, committment and sex.

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Bogart July 23, 2013 at 9:05 am

Uh Oh two down votes. I see peeler, eckstrom, haley or sanford ARE reading Fits.

Or maybe it’s donna,kelly,michael, or maria!?

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You know me July 23, 2013 at 10:32 am

Yes, mental illness is very sad. Wonder why her parents did not get her help. They had to know something was very wrong with her.

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lindsey g July 23, 2013 at 3:00 pm

Indeed, a sad little girl.

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Guest July 22, 2013 at 9:44 pm

This happened this morning? Thought he was in Beaufort this morning with Mark Sanford.

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Curious July 22, 2013 at 11:45 pm

That was his dad. Yes, Arthur’s still alive.

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Citadel '87 July 23, 2013 at 12:05 am

Arthur Jr. divorced wife number one after conducting a multi-year affair with wife number two. Both father and son refer to their black hired help just like Paula Deen — calling them “niggers.” Father, son, and Kathryn Dennis, are trailer trash.

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Teddy July 22, 2013 at 9:48 pm

What a douche! Do something productive, loser!

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Smirks July 23, 2013 at 8:27 am

Looks like New York did something productive.

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Ralph July 22, 2013 at 9:48 pm

I don’t think it’s free.

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Teddy July 22, 2013 at 9:48 pm

What a douche! Do something productive, loser!

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Smirks July 23, 2013 at 8:27 am

Looks like New York did something productive.

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Ralph July 22, 2013 at 9:48 pm

I don’t think it’s free.

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Boz Martin July 22, 2013 at 10:00 pm

Harpootllan can get him off. And I’m sure Dennis can too. HAW!

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Guest July 22, 2013 at 10:05 pm

Dick Harpootllan can get him off. And I’m sure Kathryn Dennis can too. HAW!

btw, Sic, I’m sure you are keenly aware that calling Dennis a prominent socialite speaks volumes about how Southern Culture on the Skids is far more than a band’s name in South Carolina.

https://www.fitsnews.com/2013/07/22/t-rav-faces-ny-drunk-driving-charge/

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Boz Martin July 22, 2013 at 10:44 pm

Just the spot for some SCOTS tunage!

White Trash / Southern Culture On The Skids / YouTube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1m3rMrva0To&list=AL94UKMTqg-9ATdx96f7epF-losTlL80qN

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9" July 23, 2013 at 4:30 am

xlent!

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Red-headed stepchild July 23, 2013 at 7:01 am

I’ve met strippers with more class

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Frank Pytel July 23, 2013 at 10:19 am

Every stripper I’ve met has more class.

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southmauldin July 23, 2013 at 11:02 am

This is one of your best posts, Boz. A randy joke and a SCOTS reference. Nice work.

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bogart July 23, 2013 at 1:57 pm

Honey Boo Boo is a Georgia socialite.

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Gaston Girlie July 22, 2013 at 10:00 pm

This shit head would do us all a favor, if he jumped off the Arthur Ravenel Bridge, during high tide.

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Jay Ellington July 22, 2013 at 11:36 pm

He would find a way to screw that up too.

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Smirks July 23, 2013 at 8:26 am

You can’t just pollute the river like that, man.

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Candy C. July 23, 2013 at 11:22 am

Maybe he can jump holding hands with Richard Eckstrom, Mark Sanford, Bob Peeler and Gov. Haley.
It would be a just end for the embarrassment and taint they have given the GOP!

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Boz Martin July 22, 2013 at 10:00 pm

Dick Harpootllan can get him off. And I’m sure Kathryn Dennis can too. HAW!

btw, Sic, I’m sure you are keenly aware that calling Dennis a prominent socialite speaks volumes about how Southern Culture on the Skids is far more than a band’s name in South Carolina.

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Guest July 22, 2013 at 10:05 pm

Dick Harpootllan can get him off. And I’m sure Kathryn Dennis can too. HAW!

btw, Sic, I’m sure you are keenly aware that calling Dennis a prominent socialite speaks volumes about how Southern Culture on the Skids is far more than a band’s name in South Carolina.

https://www.fitsnews.com/2013/07/22/t-rav-faces-ny-drunk-driving-charge/

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Boz Martin July 22, 2013 at 10:44 pm

Just the spot for some SCOTS tunage!

White Trash / Southern Culture On The Skids / YouTube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1m3rMrva0To&list=AL94UKMTqg-9ATdx96f7epF-losTlL80qN

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9" July 23, 2013 at 4:30 am

xlent!

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Red-headed stepchild July 23, 2013 at 7:01 am

I’ve met strippers with more class

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Frank Pytel July 23, 2013 at 10:19 am

Every stripper I’ve met has more class.

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southmauldin July 23, 2013 at 11:02 am

This is one of your best posts, Boz. A randy joke and a SCOTS reference. Nice work.

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bogart July 23, 2013 at 1:57 pm

Honey Boo Boo is a Georgia socialite.

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Gaston Girlie July 22, 2013 at 10:00 pm

This shit head would do us all a favor, if he jumped off the Arthur Ravenel Bridge, during high tide.

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The Ghost of Fat Greg Dulli July 22, 2013 at 11:36 pm

He would find a way to screw that up too.

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Smirks July 23, 2013 at 8:26 am

You can’t just pollute the river like that, man.

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Candy C. July 23, 2013 at 11:22 am

Maybe he can jump holding hands with Richard Eckstrom, Mark Sanford, Bob Peeler and Gov. Haley.
It would be a just end for the embarrassment and taint they have given the GOP!

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kingstking July 22, 2013 at 10:17 pm

prominent Palmetto socialite?! HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Please sic make it stop.

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Smirks July 23, 2013 at 8:21 am

Failed-politician-turned-reality-TV-star puts T-Rav in the same category as Sarah Palin.

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You know me July 23, 2013 at 10:27 am

Yep, right up there with Candice Bessinger!

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Downtown July 22, 2013 at 10:17 pm

All you need to know about this show is that JD (John David Madison) is going to be on it. This guy has frauded everyone out of money in Charleston he has been involved with. You would think the producers of this show could do a simple search of court records. Ravenel has the bad judgement to be seen with this guy out around Charleston all the time. Look at JD’s public records for yourself. http://jcmsweb.charlestoncounty.org/publicindex/PISearch.aspx

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Smirks July 23, 2013 at 8:25 am

I’m sure the producers did check histories of all of the people they are going to show. We’re talking about reality television. Honey Boo Boo doesn’t bring in ratings because of her family being a shining example of intelligence and class. People like watching the lives of fucked up individuals, that’s all there is to it.

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kingstking July 22, 2013 at 10:17 pm

prominent Palmetto socialite?! HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Please sic make it stop.

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Smirks July 23, 2013 at 8:21 am

Failed-politician-turned-reality-TV-star puts T-Rav in the same category as Sarah Palin.

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You know me July 23, 2013 at 10:27 am

Yep, right up there with Candice Bessinger!

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Downtown July 22, 2013 at 10:17 pm

All you need to know about this show is that JD (John David Madison) is going to be on it. This guy has frauded everyone out of money in Charleston he has been involved with. You would think the producers of this show could do a simple search of court records. Ravenel has the bad judgement to be seen with this guy out around Charleston all the time. Look at JD’s public records for yourself. http://jcmsweb.charlestoncounty.org/publicindex/PISearch.aspx

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Smirks July 23, 2013 at 8:25 am

I’m sure the producers did check histories of all of the people they are going to show. We’re talking about reality television. Honey Boo Boo doesn’t bring in ratings because of her family being a shining example of intelligence and class. People like watching the lives of fucked up individuals, that’s all there is to it.

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What? July 22, 2013 at 10:38 pm

Uh, he only has $600 in his checking account? I feel better now.

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Squishy123 July 24, 2013 at 9:33 am

His bank would only allow him to withdraw $600 out of an ATM within a 24-hour period.

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junior justice July 24, 2013 at 10:25 am

That appears to be a very low amount for him. How much can Dennis withdraw, and why didn’t she offer (money, that is)?

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What? July 22, 2013 at 10:38 pm

Uh, he only has $600 in his checking account? I feel better now.

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Squishy123 July 24, 2013 at 9:33 am

His bank would only allow him to withdraw $600 out of an ATM within a 24-hour period.

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junior justice July 24, 2013 at 10:25 am

That appears to be a very low amount for him. How much can Dennis withdraw, and why didn’t she offer (money, that is)?

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lowcorider July 22, 2013 at 10:58 pm

So sic, is this the only guy you blow on a regular basis or are there others. Will this pos have a chapter in your book.

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Lowcorider July 22, 2013 at 10:58 pm

So sic, is this the only guy you blow on a regular basis or are there others. Will this pos have a chapter in your book.

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mph July 22, 2013 at 11:01 pm

Dashing? You mean douchey.

I hope this dude is paying you to shill for him. If it’s embarrassing nonetheless, but you gotta make a living.

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Get a job! July 22, 2013 at 11:01 pm

Cool, now he’ll come out in favor of drunken driving.

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Smirks July 23, 2013 at 8:29 am

Or renounce his citizenship again.

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mph July 22, 2013 at 11:01 pm

Dashing? You mean douchey.

I hope this dude is paying you to shill for him. If it’s embarrassing nonetheless, but you gotta make a living.

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Get a job! July 22, 2013 at 11:01 pm

Cool, now he’ll come out in favor of drunken driving.

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Smirks July 23, 2013 at 8:29 am

Or renounce his citizenship again.

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Oldcharleston July 22, 2013 at 11:10 pm

I love how they call Moncks Corner residents Socialites!

Thats rich!

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Oldcharleston July 22, 2013 at 11:10 pm

I love how they call Moncks Corner residents Socialites!

Thats rich!

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Mike at the Beach July 22, 2013 at 11:26 pm

I wonder if NY has a recip with SC on the license suspension? That would be even funnier than this douchebag’s predictably characteristic failure to take responsibility for his juvenile behavior. Innocent people take the test, especially if they’ve consumed a single beer and a single glass of wine over a few hours. That would barely register (and like most people, he knows that). What a lying, self-important clown. Can’t wait to hear his excuse- I guess the big bad government is now infringing upon his right to be a spoiled brat and run over some innocent people on the way back to his bud’s house to bang his trashy mid-life crisis girlfriend. Totalitarianism rears its ugly head!

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Marie Harrison July 23, 2013 at 10:29 am

Exactly Mike. Money does not buy class.

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Mike at the Beach July 22, 2013 at 11:26 pm

I wonder if NY has a recip with SC on the license suspension? That would be even funnier than this douchebag’s predictably characteristic failure to take responsibility for his juvenile behavior. Innocent people take the test, especially if they’ve consumed a single beer and a single glass of wine over a few hours. That would barely register (and like most people, he knows that). What a lying, self-important clown. Can’t wait to hear his excuse- I guess the big bad government is now infringing upon his right to be a spoiled brat and run over some innocent people on the way back to his bud’s house to bang his trashy mid-life crisis girlfriend. Totalitarianism rears its ugly head!

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Marie Harrison July 23, 2013 at 10:29 am

Exactly Mike. Money does not buy class.

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4 More Years of Douche Bag! July 22, 2013 at 11:53 pm

How dare dem damn Yankees ah pickin on our Blue Bloods! ‘Ol Sniffy just up dare havin’ a good ‘ol time and try to trying to edjumacate dem Yankees on a little Southern Charm…why he all swave and deboner…ya know…he got dat Aristocrate Blood in ’em. He make Honey Boo Boo all Proud!

Fucking Douche!

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4 More Years of Douche Bag! July 22, 2013 at 11:53 pm

How dare dem damn Yankees ah pickin on our Blue Bloods! ‘Ol Sniffy just up dare havin’ a good ‘ol time and try to trying to edjumacate dem Yankees on a little Southern Charm…why he all swave and deboner…ya know…he got dat Aristocrate Blood in ’em. He make Honey Boo Boo all Proud!

Fucking Douche!

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TontoBubbaGoldstein July 23, 2013 at 12:04 am

“T-Rav”…sounds like a gangsta rapper.

“Errybody in da [polo] club gettin’ tipsy….”

Pro Tip :
At least in SC, NEVER take the Breathalizer.

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EJB July 23, 2013 at 7:06 am

Seems like NOT drinking and driving would be much better advice.

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TontoBubbaGoldstein July 23, 2013 at 12:04 am

“T-Rav”…sounds like a gangsta rapper.

“Errybody in da [polo] club gettin’ tipsy….”

Pro Tip :
At least in SC, NEVER take the Breathalizer.

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EJB July 23, 2013 at 7:06 am

Seems like NOT drinking and driving would be much better advice.

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Heather July 23, 2013 at 6:59 am

TRAV and Dennis equla the ultimate white trash couple.

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Heather July 23, 2013 at 6:59 am

TRAV and Dennis equla the ultimate white trash couple.

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will sucks t-ravCock July 23, 2013 at 7:02 am

LOL the dude went to rehab for being a cokehead and now back on the sauce and driving too? and of course cocksucker/womanbeater will keeps pimping this clown’s “political comeback” (in reality nothing more than a bravo reality show.) logic dictates that the dude is still definitely a cokehead. its a lot like cocksucker/womanbeater will who after “going to rehab” for heroin addiction spent many years afterwards as a cokehead and degenerate drug addict. of course, being a womanbeating degenerate drug addict didnt stop mark sanfraud from inviting him into the fold, and was probably why he chose him as his public liar-in-chief. when your goal is deliberate misinformation and duplicity and shamelessly lying to the rubes who cant get enough bullshit between their empty ears (proof: newt gingrich, trikki haley and the comeback of sanfraud), you need a lowlife piece of shit like womanbeater will to sell them their garbage. sanfraud t-rav and trikki couldnt have found a better scumbag for the job.

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Guest #2 July 23, 2013 at 7:55 am

Maybe Sanford tolerates Tom because of his family’s wealth and perhaps had the use of his NYC and Hampton residences for his trysts with Belen.

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self-absorption unlimited July 23, 2013 at 9:27 am

exacto-mundo! birds of a feather….

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Guest #2 July 23, 2013 at 10:04 am

Don’t they both look alike, too?

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Frank Pytel July 23, 2013 at 8:03 am

So… you’re pleased with Mr. Folks performance and website?

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will sucks t-ravCock July 23, 2013 at 7:02 am

LOL the dude went to rehab for being a cokehead and now back on the sauce and driving too? and of course cocksucker/womanbeater will keeps pimping this clown’s “political comeback” (in reality nothing more than a bravo reality show.) logic dictates that the dude is still definitely a cokehead. its a lot like cocksucker/womanbeater will who after “going to rehab” for heroin addiction spent many years afterwards as a cokehead and degenerate drug addict. of course, being a womanbeating degenerate drug addict didnt stop mark sanfraud from inviting him into the fold, and was probably why he chose him as his public liar-in-chief. when your goal is deliberate misinformation and duplicity and shamelessly lying to the rubes who cant get enough bullshit between their empty ears (proof: newt gingrich, trikki haley and the comeback of sanfraud), you need a lowlife piece of shit like womanbeater will to sell them their garbage. sanfraud t-rav and trikki couldnt have found a better scumbag for the job.

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Guest #2 July 23, 2013 at 7:55 am

Maybe Sanford tolerates Tom because of his family’s wealth and perhaps had the use of his NYC and Hampton residences for his trysts with Belen.

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self-absorption unlimited July 23, 2013 at 9:27 am

exacto-mundo! birds of a feather….

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Guest #2 July 23, 2013 at 10:04 am

Don’t they both look alike, too?

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Frank Pytel July 23, 2013 at 8:03 am

So… you’re pleased with Mr. Folks performance and website?

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Smirks July 23, 2013 at 8:17 am

Well, if it is just alcohol, at least he is keeping his nose clean in the literal sense.

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YallCalmDown July 23, 2013 at 10:32 am

I’m betting it wasn’t just alcohol. Just a suspicion.

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Smirks July 23, 2013 at 8:17 am

Well, if it is just alcohol, at least he is keeping his nose clean in the literal sense.

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YallCalmDown July 23, 2013 at 10:32 am

I’m betting it wasn’t just alcohol. Just a suspicion.

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Dr. Feelgood July 23, 2013 at 9:11 am

I thought T-Raving Lunatic and Dennis “broke up”?

Pretty hard to give up that 20 something snatch eh Grand Daddy?

Especially when the snatch will do anything for a score/hit of anything remotely mind altering.

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You know me July 23, 2013 at 10:37 am

Let’s just hope T is using protection.

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Dennis July 23, 2013 at 2:56 pm

Maybe TR’s hung like an ox and KD follows him around for her daily pounding. That or his money or his easy access to cocaine. What else explains this?

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You know me July 23, 2013 at 3:01 pm

Just another Anna Nicole.

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? July 23, 2013 at 5:01 pm

All of the above?

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Dr. Feelgood July 23, 2013 at 9:11 am

I thought T-Raving Lunatic and Dennis “broke up”?

Pretty hard to give up that 20 something snatch eh Grand Daddy?

Especially when the snatch will do anything for a score/hit of anything remotely mind altering.

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You know me July 23, 2013 at 10:37 am

Let’s just hope T is using protection.

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Dennis July 23, 2013 at 2:56 pm

Maybe TR’s hung like an ox and KD follows him around for her daily pounding. That or his money or his easy access to cocaine. What else explains this?

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You know me July 23, 2013 at 3:01 pm

Just another Anna Nicole.

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? July 23, 2013 at 5:01 pm

All of the above?

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rwwllms July 23, 2013 at 10:48 am

“dashing reality TV star”
“prominent Palmetto socialite”

Is that what they call whores these days?

Come on FITS, get over these no class nothings. They really aren’t important nor worth anyone’s attention. Quit feeding the vain.

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rwwllms July 23, 2013 at 10:48 am

“dashing reality TV star”
“prominent Palmetto socialite”

Is that what they call whores these days?

Come on FITS, get over these no class nothings. They really aren’t important nor worth anyone’s attention. Quit feeding the vain.

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lindsey g July 23, 2013 at 10:52 am

There is good chance that his SC license will also be suspended as a result of his NY breathalizer refusal. Speaking of DUIs, wonder if Ted Vick’s license has been suspended for refusing the test.

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lindsey g July 23, 2013 at 10:52 am

There is good chance that his SC license will also be suspended as a result of his NY breathalizer refusal. Speaking of DUIs, wonder if Ted Vick’s license has been suspended for refusing the test.

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Billy K Mulligan July 23, 2013 at 11:16 am

Is he still on probation? If so, can he be violated back to federal prison?

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Billy K Mulligan July 23, 2013 at 11:16 am

Is he still on probation? If so, can he be violated back to federal prison?

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Tired of It July 23, 2013 at 2:13 pm

Maybe Kathryn Dennis should get a spin off show called Honey Blow Blow?

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Tired of It July 23, 2013 at 2:13 pm

Maybe Kathryn Dennis should get a spin off show called Honey Blow Blow?

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thenostradumbass July 23, 2013 at 4:19 pm

Just like Carrot Top, he likes to watch.

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thenostradumbass July 23, 2013 at 4:19 pm

Just like Carrot Top, he likes to watch.

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Richard July 24, 2013 at 2:37 pm

I wouldn’t vote for this sorry ass POS anymore than I’d vote for a pile of shit. Actually I’d vote for the pile of shit over this drugged-out skank. He’s a disgrace to S.C. and to his father. Typical entitled frat-boy. I’ll take Lindsay Graham over this turd any day of the week.

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Richard July 24, 2013 at 2:37 pm

I wouldn’t vote for this sorry ass POS anymore than I’d vote for a pile of shit. Actually I’d vote for the pile of shit over this drugged-out skank. He’s a disgrace to S.C. and to his father. Typical entitled frat-boy. I’ll take Lindsay Graham over this turd any day of the week.

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