… AT LEAST TWO-THIRDS OF THEM ALREADY HAD HEALTH CARE
Avik Roy’s blog on Forbes – The Apothecary – is a great source for reliable information on America’s health care entitlements (including Obamacare). If you’re looking to cut through the mainstream media/ partisan spin and get the real data on how socialized medicine is being implemented in this country – Roy’s blog has you “covered.”
For example, last week Roy posted recently released data from the RAND Corporation – data which shows Obamacare’s exchanges have only enrolled 1.4 million previously uninsured Americans (well below the 7.1 million figure touted by the administration).
“If you assume that 80 percent of signer-uppers will eventually pay their premiums, the true number of previously uninsured exchange enrollees is likely closer to 2 million,” Roy writes. “That’s far from what the Congressional Budget Office has projected; the CBO estimated that 80 to 90 percent of the first-year enrollees would come from the previously uninsured population. Instead, it appears to be more like 24 to 36 percent.”
Translation? Once again Obamacare is (surprise, surprise) not doing what we were told it would do …
The RAND survey comes on the heels of fresh data attesting to the rising price of health care coverage in America.
According to a recent Morgan Stanley survey of insurance brokers, the average premium hike for customers who are renewing their plans is 12 percent in the individual group and 11 percent in the small market group. And those hikes come on top of fourth quarter 2013 increases of nine percent in the individual group and six percent in the small market group.
“In an Obama administration, we’ll lower premiums by up to $2,500 for a typical family per year,” then-U.S. Senator Obama said during a June 2008 campaign swing through Virginia. “We won’t do all this twenty years from now, or ten years from now. We’ll do it by the end of my first term as President of the United States.”
Of course when Obama’s first term drew to a close last January, premiums for the average family with an employer-provided plan had actually increased by $2,400, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation.
With your help, Will, we’ll get to single payer….
Well there’s a rose in a fisted glove
And the eagle flies with the dove
And if you can’t be with the one you love, honey
Love the one you’re with
You gotta love the one you’re with
You gotta love the one you’re with
If you can’t beat the one you love
Bloody, love the one you whip.
Copying and pasting other’s people thoughts, when you’re too stupid to think for yourself, as you are…is futile…
You’ve already admitted you have nothing to say on your own…so why bother perverting someone else’s thought, as if it’s yours…You are vapid. Don’t project your dearth of mind onto the thoughts you idolize…
Got any suggestions on how I can post more like yourself?
Imaginative, resourceful, witty, well-rounded, educated, confident… a real “man’s man.”
No: you cannot teach intellect and creativity…especially to simple-minded [email protected]$$#$…
But I would suggest that you STFU…because trying just reveals your ignorance, and lack of ability to offer anything of value…
Hope that helps…
you cannot teach intellect and creativity
Thank you, Damned Tango – that explains *so* much.
Sir, he taught his children to sit up and beg
———- for food
Ah, yes, but did he have them memorize the Critique of Pure Reason?
Seriously, anyone who believes any government release of information as being accurate, whether it’s on its multitude of ongoing wars, the epidemic of veteran & enlisted suicides, CBO ‘projections’ on the budget, or Obamacare….anyone who takes these government issued releases as truth is functionally retarded by now.
How many times do you have to be lied to before you get it? It’s not a partisan issue. The gov’t lies to you on just about everything. They have a narrative, truth be damned.
Not everybody in government lies.DemocRATS lie.The ends always justify their evil means.Their desire to destroy the Judeo-Christian foundations this country was founded on and relentless attacks on the Constitution are proof of this.
I don’t hate government.We are indeed a nation of laws and our ‘representative’ form of government has served us well-prior too electing a American hating,closet muslim political hack as pResident.That only happened as we have turned our state controlled schools and universities over too Godless,socialist projecting radicals whom deem America evil and that we must be punished.
“Not everybody in government lies.”
You’re a rube.
FITS: I told you this before the 2012 election: Obama is a liar and corrupt…
You said Romney would be no better. Despite Romney’s Liberal-Tarians deficiencies, that’s absurd……I think people like you are [email protected]$$#$, and the reason we have this Disaster of a president in office…
We’ll have to reject the Obamas, and the FITS of the world, to correct the horrible mistake, and mess, that has been made…
Remember that in 2014…
After all these years, haven’t you realized that nobody listens to you? Right or wrong, you’re still the guy that people laugh at.
You, and your leftwing buddies, sure do one H#!! of a lot of responding…to not be listening…
Like I said, If FITS had to pay me for the traffic I generate on this site, he’d owe me over half of his take.
FITS is way too much cliché and status quo, to be interesting, provocative or compelling (except for me calling him out.)
And you people see NOTHING like my insight anywhere else (it doesn’t exist.) And you know I’m right. And that makes it irresistible. No matter what lies and Bull-$#! you feed yourselves…
He’s got a point, if you read GT’s posts, you are feeding yourself lies and bullshit.
So are you denying: “Obamacare’s exchanges have only enrolled 1.4 million previously uninsured Americans (well below the 7.1 million figure touted by the administration).”
Because that’s FITS reporting that. Why do you, in robotic and cliche lockstep, call me a lair…when it’s not me…
Are you so hateful you are blind to who is giving you the information that you cannot accept about Obama…and you just blindly lash out in your anger and ignorance. ???…
You’re not that F*#king illogical, hardheaded and Stupid…Are you???
Shit, many here believe you and Will are one and the same. Creating a troll account in a blog is the easiest way to generate traffic.
Albeit inadvertent, you are now conceding that people read what I post…and it creates traffic???…How’s that crow taste???…LMAO…
This would be more fun if Disqus still ran the down-vote count.
I’m sure the Nazis “down-vote” the JDL’s Webpage too…Your point???…
That said: There should be a “Most Activity” rating….because all votes, up-and-down are significant…
The down-votes for me reveal MUCH more about a majority of FITS’ readers, than it does me. I am very open and steadfast about what I believe…More Liberals are the liars and cowards for your beliefs, when they manifest…
The Honorable lying,Godless Democrats!
If someone is in the exchange, what happens if they lose their job and can no longer pay the premiums? What happens to them?
Losing your job counts as a “life event” and you can choose another plan without waiting for open enrollment at the very least. Not sure regarding signing up for Medicaid, but then again, SC didn’t accept the expansion, so that’s a moot point here.
You could possibly qualify for a hardship exemption to the mandate if all else fails.
Ok, you can get an exemption from having to buy insurance, but then you…don’t have any insurance. Don’t you have to show indigence for the preceding year in order to even begin to qualify for Medicaid? If you were working, then you weren’t indigent. Even if they had expanded medicaid, it doesn’t insure you’ll get it.
Don’t you have to show indigence for the preceding year in order to even begin to qualify for Medicaid?
Possibly, that’s why I said I wasn’t sure on that one. Either way, Medicaid wasn’t expanded so you’d have to qualify under the old rules, at least in SC, which would be even less helpful.
The exemption to the mandate penalty is, at least, better than nothing. Ideally I would hope that one could at least use the “life change” to grab a lower cost plan from the exchanges, thus reducing their premiums.
You’ve got the same problem outside the exchanges. Lose your job, and therefore, your employer-based insurance? Hope you can afford COBRA, basically. People get screwed over by the system because it is fundamentally broken. There are cracks and holes all over the place and people get screwed if they fall in.
The only way you can avoid scenarios like that is to cover everyone, regardless of employment. But that’s single payer.
A national cancer policy would be a start (policy used not in the insurance policy sense). I have several friends living with AIDS, and they get fast tracked to social security, housing, and their meds were paid for (although the ACA has changed some of that and not for the better in terms of covered drugs and drug costs). People with cancer get zip, zilch, nada. You’ve got to be out of work for three months before long term disability will even kick in, and in that three months, if you live alone and are not working, you can lose everything. The stress from that alone will kill you.
I would definitely support fast-tracking cancer patients who have lost their employment to swiftly get covered again.
I suspect that it would be buried in Congress, though. Cancer treatments are expensive, so I’m sure that alone is enough to make most Congressmen tiptoe around it. If you don’t have a huge, well-funded lobbying group, they aren’t going to spend a dime on you because you aren’t going to be filling their campaign’s war chest come reelection.
I’ve visited a number of SC congressmen and tried speaking to them about legislation that would help disabled people. For the most part, you’d either get a limp handshake and no commitment, or you’d get fake interest in it, but no actual support when it came to a vote in most cases. They don’t want to tell you “no” outright because then you might not vote for them, but in reality, they don’t give a damn.
How about not giving Egypt 1.5 billion a year, and just pick up the tab? Just passed a billion dollar check to Ukraine, could have used it for the sick and vulnerable here, in our country, our people. But it’s all just printed paper anyway. If we could claw it all back somehow, we could help people here. Especially when they turn around and use the money we give them to buy weapons from our defense contractors.
Smirks, I am focused on cancer because I just got over two long years of chemo, radiation, surgery, etc. I was able to get on my husband’s insurance when I had to stop working. For people going through that, for many, there is no way you can continue to work and even after it all ends you may be like me, damaged physically for life. I just don’t understand what people do who are in this situation, and don’t have a spouse to fall back on. So you still have to work to keep your insurance, and if you get really sick, you can’t work, so you lose your insurance. Lose your insurance, and either get stuck with hundreds of thousands in medical bills, or get no treatment. How has the ACA changed that scenario?
The ‘Death Panels’ are indeed real.Only way they can pay for this is to get of those that are very ill,terminally ill,physically or developmentally disabled and non-contributors.
I would say not being able to pay for your premiums would qualify one as being a burden on the health care system and that individual would have to be denied life saving or essential healthcare services.Politically they can’t do that now however it is coming.
Also.Do you really believe they will NOT put you in jail if you can’t afford insurance or the fine?Of course they will.They just have to wait until after the 2016 elections.
Well, if they throw people in jail for not buying into the system, they’ll definitely be stuck with a lot of catastrophically ill people and their bills. They already use jails de facto as mental illness warehouses, why not add hospice. Like the end of Soylent Green, a lethal injection and a video montage to rock you to eternal sleep. This is why I was pissed beyond belief that Richland County car tax delegates $6.66 to the damn library and .44 cents for mental illness.
How has the ACA changed that scenario?
It has, in a way: no lifetime maximums, no preexisting conditions discrimination, Medicaid expansion, exchanges with subsidies, etc.
And it hasn’t, in a way. There will still be people that are without coverage for brief periods of time, and there will still be people who are without coverage entirely. The ACA also doesn’t address rising health care costs enough. It is definitely an incomplete reform.
This country essentially requires you to have some form of coverage, whether insurance or government, to have affordable access to health care. If you lose that coverage, whether briefly, indefinitely, or permanently, you are quite literally screwed. As you said, you are relegated to going bankrupt under hundreds of thousands in bills, or you are outright refused treatments.
That’s why the system needs fundamental change.
The real solution to the problem you speak of is to eliminate such gaps in coverage entirely.
My understanding is the following:
1.IRS checks your voter registration.If you voted Democrat you get a EBT Gift Card and $10,000 tax refund.If you voted Republican you will be added to the impending Death Panel list,fines and have your FREE Obama phone confiscated.
2.A visit and a date with Lois Lerner.
There is no doubt that there are winners and losers under Obamacare. However as co-owner of a small business that has been providing health insurance for our employees for over 30 years I wanted to share our experience. We had an employee who was diagnosed with leukemia in the late 2000’s. Even though she could no longer work due to her illness, we kept her on the health insurance so that she was able to get the care she needed to survive. That resulted in a million dollar claim on our health insurance policy (the cost of a bone marrow transplant). Thankfully she survived. However, we quickly saw our insurance premiums rise from $185 per month per employee to $500 dollars a month per employee. Since we have over 20 employees that made it difficult for us to continue providing health insurance for our employees. Understand all of this was before the enactment of Obamacare. When we again shopped for health insurance for our employees this year (the first year under Obamacare) much to our pleasant surprise, we got a reduction in our premiums by $10,000 and got better coverage than we were able to get before for our people. As a small business owner who has always provided health insurance for our employees, Obamacare was a godsend and allows us to continue providing health insurance to our 20 or so employees as we have always done. I know this will get me flamed by GT and others, but understand that Obamacare is not all bad and helps those of us small business owners who have always provided health insurance for our employees.
‘but understand that Obamacare is not all bad and helps those of us small business owners who have always provided health insurance for our employees’
Hummm…guess that is why 90% of small business are AGAINST Obamascare and why the Employer Mandate was delayed until after the 2016 elections.
Glad the taxpayers were able to pay for your sick employee and that she is okay.
I suspect that the majority of small business owners who are against it are ones who have never provided health insurance to their employees and who don’t want to start. I am sure the delay in the mandate was purely political. The taxpayers did not pay for our sick employee…our health insurance company did. She is no longer on our policy since she was unable to work even though she survived. The real question is why did the health insurance company (pre-Obamacare) jack our rates for all of our employees even though only 1 got sick Regardless of whether Obamacare turns out to be good or bad, the system we had before was not working well and the increasing costs were going to result in more employers having to drop coverage due to increasing costs.
Sorry about that.I meant to say that we taxpayers are subsidizing the reduction in the health care costs for your employees.
Glad to do it.Buy me lunch? :-)
“I suspect that the majority of small business owners who are against it are ones who have never provided health insurance to their employees and who don’t want to start.”
Pure speculation and more than likely pure bullshit. Most business owners I know care about their employees but have to deal with the economics of their field regardless.
“The real question is why did the health insurance company (pre-Obamacare) jack our rates for all of our employees even though only 1 got sick”
You must of missed the article showing that rates have gone up faster than ever since Obamacare was passed. It’s happening/happened to everyone. Sure it happened before the ACA passed, but now it’s happening faster.
“The taxpayers did not pay for our sick employee…our health insurance company did.”
and the circle is complete…you are an utter moron if you think this is what is going on. There are subsidies written by gov’t checks that are “reducing” the premiums. It’s called fascism.
I’m amazed you can even keep your business going. But then again, you are here bitching about your insurance costs, so maybe it’s just a matter of time.
The whole thing IS corporate fascism. Outrageous promises made that people believed, nothing more than a marketing smoke screen for politicians to use to provide cover for the kleptocrats; the shadows on the wall of Plato’s cave, if you will. The political class doesn’t give a shit about any of us.
I don’t know what State you’re in but with over 20 employees it looks like you were experience rated. The ratio of your group’s claims to premiums over likely a three year period meant your carrier lost a substantial amount of money on your group and adjusted your renewal to reflect that or to get rid of you. As for Obamacare, that is a community rated product or elements of it for small groups which means it’s based upon the results (or anticipated results) of all groups in your rating territory. So while in comparison it’s certainly cheaper, it’s due to the fact that your group rate is in effect averaged with everyone else, so that other businesses in your area are experiencing increases to offset your decrease. Remember too that these rates were formulated with the idea of the risk pool would have x% of younger subscribers, which if it doesn’t pan out and the insurers lose money, the Govt has agreed to backstop these losses.
Riskman, you are right. We are in SC and I believe the experience rating was a big driver of the rate increases. I guess we were one of the lucky ones but our rates went down and our deductible went down too. In effect, got better coverage for cheaper cost.
I do not believe you. I think you planted this info. because you are (Obama is) taking such a beating from the American people for such an ill-advised plan.
No media is REPORTING any positive experience like yours. And they are turning over stones, trying to find a good story to help Obama…with specifics. All of the stories, even from Obama supporters are negative and critical of Obamacare.
So give us the details (the name of your company, location and your insurance co. that raised the rates.) Or maybe just the name of leukemia survivor, so we can vet your story. You will be considered a HERO by the establishment media and millions of beleaguered Obamites in need of some good news, to buoy them in the current depression…
Think of it like this: you may single-handedly save the democrat party form the @$$-whippin’ you are facing in Nov.
I’ll eagerly await your response…
GT, I would have been hurt if you hadn’t responded! You know the media doesn’t care about good news…only bad news sells. Given the level of aggression and criticism from hotheads that appear in the comments on this website, I am not identifying my business or my former employee. We don’t need the headaches and the last thing she needs is having people calling her. Lets just leave it as a SC business that had Blue Cross before and after. Gotta say I was shocked to see the rates come down. I know we don’t agree on much. However, in our experience, under the old system, if you had employees who got sick and needed health insurance, the business got punished for keeping them on the payroll by having the insurance rates for the whole company driven up. Now it seems to be all about age of your employees and whether they smoke or not. Sure made filling out the forms quicker and easier…no questions about prior illnesses and medical conditions. Flame away!
In other words,false. The fairy tale you apparently told would have been the Obamacare story of the year.Commercials would have been made.You would have received a visit from Omaba or Biden.Just not believable.
Now put that ‘Yes We Can’ button back on for happy hour and lets just ‘hope’ you still have the ‘change’ to buy a round tonight! :-)
Your story is interesting. Now, you furnish health coverage when even under the ACA you do not have to (you are under 50 employees). I won’t share my company’s name (because I don’t own it), but we have had small to no increases in premiums the last two years. Our deductibles and out-of-pockets did go up, but they were doing that prior to the Act. But I know other people that have had sticker shock on their coverage. Also know some individuals that were surprised at the rates they got and others who are upset. 2014 is first real year and many things need to be modified. But the overall concept is still correct and good. I still believe a National Health Care is the eventual and right thing for the country.
I think you are right Robert. I am actually not a big fan of this without a public option and think we ultimately end up with National Health Care or a public option. Still beats the way it was before when insurance companies denied anyone who had pre-existing conditions and dropped you once you became sick enough to not be able to work and pay the premiums.
You are NOT allowed to say anything positive about President Obama and especially not about the Affordable Care Act on this site. Yes – you will be attacked and called a liar (and worse) by the usual hate-filled morons.
I notice YOU did not say anything positive about muslum obamunist NOR obamunistcare while playing the ‘whine’ card on those you apparently disagree yet don’t have the b#lls too debate.
Please give us your opinion on the article or shut the f$$$ up!
I knew that was going to happen when I posted but still need to get the word out that for some, it is working. I doubt the ones attacking me have ever owned and operated a business that provide jobs and health insurance for others.
bobbymac – Thanks for posting your experience – I know of other companies that have had similar experiences. My understanding is that most of the group health renewals under BCBS of SC have been business as usual – with maybe an extra half a percent or one percent premium increase more than the usual percentage increase that they go up every year. But I know I’ll be called a liar or worse for saying that.
I just found the story you told on a pro- Obamacare website,almost word for word.
Dat you Kathleen or Lois?
We told you not to tell that “LEUKEMIA” story again.Please follow the talking points we emailed you.
“If you like your plan, you can keep your plan!!”
“If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor!!”
“Premiums for every American family will decrease by $2,500 per year!!”
Man, all you have to do is say “Hate-filled Morons” and they come a running! LOL
Refute those lies, SCDumbass! LOL
Yeah: It would be nice if Obama could make it illegal (give him time) for the just and honest to defend themselves…then maybe you would not look so stupid and corrupt…when you lie and attack people when they challenge your propaganda…
You will no doubt catch some crap, but not from everyone. I don’t think anyone (rational people, I mean) believes that any piece of legislation this huge can be 100% bad. Of course there were some positive side effects. Your story is a great example, but also serves as an example of a problem that could have been fixed without the overall economic disaster that the ACA will no doubt prove to be. This is much like the pre-existing conditions issue, dependent coverage beyond age 18, etc. – there are remedies other than the ACA tack, which this nation simply can’t afford. Medical treatment costs, litigation, and insurance regulations create many of our medical care issues. Glad your deal worked out for now, though…
” I don’t think anyone (rational people, I mean) believes that any piece of legislation this huge can be 100% bad.”
The fundamental principle of the legislation is government taking money from people as well as printing it to redistribute to health insurance companies in the hope that cost will go down and people that weren’t covered would be.
The first goal failed completely, the second goal is questionable:
Did it solve a problem? Having a goal that doesn’t solve a problem is meaningless. Were people dying in the streets? Being turned away at hospitals?
So for this bill to not be “100% bad” you’d have to be ok with wealth redistribution, fascism, against free markets, and all in the name for achieving a goal that doesn’t solve problem.
Is this what rational people consider a good bill Mike? Tell me, what’s the 1% that is good?
“So for this bill to not be “100% bad” you’d have to be ok with wealth redistribution, fascism, against free markets, and all in the name for achieving a goal that doesn’t solve problem.”
That’s dumb; like Billy Madison dumb- I award you no points: http://youtu.be/WtNHuqHWefU
So now I’m a fascist, anti-free market, wealth re-distributor?! Damn, my friends will fall the fuck over when they hear that! I will be forwarding your insightful remarks to many people this evening, my friend- thanks.
Now, hop on down from your ideological soap box and quit being histrionic. Of course the ACA sucks. It is too expensive, it will actually restrict access to *quality* health care in the long run, won’t even come close to insuring all of the “uninsured” (at least some of whom, by the way, want to be uninsured), was shoved down a stupid voting populace’s throat with lies, and has been egregiously mismanaged and lied about at every turn since. You can’t, though, say with a straight face that persons with pre-existing conditions who were previously unable to afford health insurance (who now have it) would agree that the law has not affected them positively. Was there a better way to solve that problem- of course, but for those people the problem is, for now, solved. Ditto dependents able to remain on parental coverage longer, a tiny sliver of small businesses such as the one to which I responded, etc. I would love for the whole thing to magically get repealed tomorrow, because I think that would be best for the country (then we go about fixing the health care mess the right way- attack pricing issues, litigation, preventative medicine, insurance market restrictions, etc.), but I am not delusional or ideologically pure enough to believe that not a single, solitary American benefited from its passing (ergo, not 100% bad). That’s just laughable. Don’t drive angry!
“So now I’m a fascist, anti-free market, wealth re-distributor?!”
If the shoe fits Mike.
Even if you want to pretend this “sliver” is the 1%(although you never addressed any of my points), it is the damaged done that makes it unjustifiable, ergo it’s not “1%”, it’s -99%.
I’m not angry at all Mike, I’m simply stating the facts. Histrionic indeed Mike. That shrill screaming you hear in your head is yourself.
Why would I address your “points?” They had no relevance to the comment I made to “Bobbymac” above. You say it’s 100% bad; I say it’s only 98% bad. You go ahead with your conversation, though. It seems fun. I’m out, though.
Don’t go away angry Mike.
Once again Obamacare is (surprise, surprise) not doing what we were told it would do …”
Obamacare is the single biggest and most dishonest fraud ever perpretrated on the American people. Those idiots never read the bill, never intended to, crammed it down the people’s throats who didn’t want it to begin with, lied about it then and still lie about it now, exempted all their special interest groups, illegally delayed parts of the law which would have hurt them politically (which is what Obamacare is REALLY about) in addition to the rollout being the most utterly incompetent and technological disaster anyone could have ever imagined (except those who knew what a fucked up law this was to begin with). Even Sebelius said the rollout needed more time, after she was run out of town last week. The Obama Misrepresentation didn’t want to hear any part of that.
And what of the roughly 1,200 companies and unions that were granted short term waivers for either the annual caps or the exemption of paying the insurance tax for the year? Unions are pissed because they thought their members would get subsidies, but no union plans will be allowed subsidies because they are self-insured. So they received an exemption from the insurance tax, but eventually that will run out and it will be like the debt ceiling limit, a crisis every three months. The self-insured, individuals and small businesses, outside of exchanges, will be the next group to feel the pain. They will be chipped at and regulated in an effort to drive more people onto the exchanges, but how will that save taxpayers if most of those people receive subsidies?
Great point. Obamacare is HATED and FEARED (for good reason)…and it has yet to really be implemented, fully…Only a fraction are suffering at this point…But the suffering is pronounced…
When the numbers, forced on Obamacare, grow, Obama will be HATED, like no other president in American history….(for good reason)…
There you go again (in my best Ronald W. Reagan voice)…
Bringing actual facts to these debates can be hazardous to your mental health. I know; I tried it. I’m thinking about quitting though. Be careful…
Well this is certainly interesting and relevant.
Republicans can be seen as the triumphant liberators, much like the US was, freeing the world of Hitler…It will take courage, because the media will try to kill you..and the democrat hate squads will gun for you…but there is no option but to thwart them and Obama…
The GOP can RULE the World if it just Attacks Obama on EVERY Single ISSUE…Especially Obamacare…
Clamp down on Obamacare with a fierce DEATH GRIP…and do not let go until it’s Rotting Dead…and you will be showered w/ praise and appreciation of the whole country…
People Hate what this disease Obama has done to America…Obliterate his policies, reverse the Disaster Obama is…and the world will love you for a long, long time…
It is that simple…
And did you see this? Just in time for the midterms, the Obummer Misrepresentation is cooking the books with their own Census Bureau (moved under the Executive Branch in 2009, very convenient) altering questions to come up with the results they want but not anywhere close to reality!
We can stop the Bull-$#!* beginning in Nov. But we’ll have to Purge EVERY liberal we can from their gov’t jobs…SCORCEHED EARTH..DAMN THE TORPEDOES…
I think it would be Fair if every gov’t worker, who voted for Obama, was FIRED from the Senate and the House…as many as we can, when we get both back..
And then in 2016, we fire ALL federal democrat voters…
If we want to win..We MUST play like they do…otherwise they will continue to destroy us from within….
And I don’t want to hear the mealy-mouth Moderates, like FITS telling me how Un-Fair it is…They have NO problem w/ democrats playing hard ball…
Bush, with his NEW TONE, was a STUPID mistake. they cut his throat, because he left them in place, we he had power..
Democrats are not that naïve…We must eradicate them from as much influence in gov’t as possible. We need to make McCarthy look like Child’s Play…otherwise we’ll keep losing…
My 12 emplyees rate went from $6,000 to 12. million, they have to be drug tested daily, along with a cavity search. Co pays went from $20 to full cost of treatment. Out of pocket from 10,000 to 100,000. My employees are welcome to keep their own doctor, but he has to fill out a 10,000 page questionaiire and have his dick measured(or if female vaginal probe for circumfrence).