JAY LUCAS: DISCUSSION IS DONE FOR “THE REMAINDER OF MY TIME AS SPEAKER”
|| By FITSNEWS || S.C. Speaker of the House Jay Lucas issued an emphatic statement this week saying there would be no further discussion of renaming public monuments, memorials, buildings, roads, bridges, etc. during his term as Speaker.
“The South Carolina House of Representatives will not engage in or debate the specifics of public monuments, memorials, state buildings, road names or any other historical markers,” Lucas said. “The General Assembly, the House in particular, made it abundantly clear during the debate of the confederate flag that the only issue they were willing to discuss was the placement of the battle flag on the north lawn of the State House. We reached a swift resolution last week and in doing so put an end to this discussion. Debate over this issue will not be expanded or entertained throughout the remainder of my time as Speaker.”
According to Lucas’ office, the statement was issued after “several South Carolina universities and colleges have formally asked or suggested the General Assembly address changes or exceptions to the South Carolina Heritage Act.”
Among these requests? Clemson University’s flip-flop on the name of its iconic landmark Tillman Hall. Originally the school’s board of trustees aggressively rebuked efforts to rename the building – which honors former S.C. governor, outspoken white supremacist, lynch law advocate and alleged murderer “Pitchfork” Ben Tillman.
But now the school wants to change the name of the building …
According to the Heritage Act, which brought the Confederate flag off the dome of the S.C. State House in 2000 – “any monument, marker, memorial, school, or street erected or named in honor of the Confederacy or the civil rights movement located on any municipal, county, or state property shall not be removed, changed, or renamed without the enactment of a joint resolution by a two-thirds vote of the membership of each house of the General Assembly.”
Lucas’ statement upholding that provision comes in the aftermath of a caustic debate in the S.C. House over the removal of the Confederate flag. During that debate, Lucas was aggressively criticized by flag supporters for misleading them.
He’s clearly working to shore up that flank …
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Jay, a word to the wise, less bovine excreta and more roads, infrastructure and schools.
Yes, less bullshit. Says the fake Colonel. lol
What’s the dealio, Colonel? are you trying to take away the central source of Republican political income and power?
If money accumulated through taxation was used in some meaningful way to improve the quality of life for their constituency, there’d be nothing left for them!
..and besides, people would get used to it, and South Carolina would soon become an unrecognizable communist fairy land – we’d have to eliminate assembly for religious worship, surrender our guns, addict our children to drugs, have forced abortions and retire by euthanasia.
Before you start trying to pool the resources of the people to benefit from the economy of scale, you should think about the damage it would do to your children.
Conservative Euwe, not Republican.
…sorry, not familiar with the argot.
Let me read up on it – I’ll get back to you.
oh… one question – is Lee Bright a Republican, or a Conservative?
I note your sarcasm but…
It is my opinion SC is not fiscally conservative, but socially conservative. Some pockets more than others. While most will argue you cannot be socially conservative without being fiscally conservative – simply not true.
IMO Lee Bright is a Social Conservative who runs on a Republican ticket. Or maybe that is the niche he caters to.
Social Conservatives typically want to tell everyone else how to live their life in a narrow tunnel of personal convictions. Where blame is a fuel to be fanned and forgiveness runs on empty. God and Guns.
I have also learned — never, ever, ever, call yourself a Liberal Christian — that is an oxymoron.
I *am* a liberal Christian.
Fiscally conservative – it’s just another word for Republicans on the take, bag men for the rich.
Fiscally Conservative is not exclusive to Republicans and CERTAINLY not SC Republicans. I am a fiscal conservative, but liberal on most social issues, which makes me an Independent without a party.
Fiscal Conservatism loosely defined in a couple areas, my opinions only: Look at your overcrowded prison system that often houses non-violent drug offenders. Look at DSS which takes children away from their parents, in a state that has a shortage of foster care and where the state care is horrible from what I have heard. This is two in a very long laundry list of mine, that I would cut funding.
Why? Cut the funding and they don’t have time to focus on petty issues, only the serious ones get attention. In the first case of over crowded prisons, it is a money racket that only the rich can afford, the poor go to jail. The second is also a money racket, children for profit under the umbrella of ever expanding social services. Look at the number of children that are over medicated. Why? Because they are then considered special needs and that means the government pays even more money for services. A special needs child brings in about twice the dough, both state and federal last I checked, as a child who is not medicated.
President Obama made a speech that I have been harping on for YEARS. CASA at Columbia had a well researched study that was published many years back – Behind Bars. I think made it made too much sense and drew too much attention, because those same people apparently do not work there now. However, we need better rehabilitation not incarceration. As long as the government funds these overcrowded prisons and there is incentive (i.e. ever expanding police force), there will always be prisoners.
Anyways, here is a clip from a speech he gave that I do agree with “He remarked afterward that good work was being done at the prison, but, like many others, it is overcrowded. Mandatory minimum prison sentences are a “huge driver” of overpopulation in prisons, he said, and society should reconsider whether nonviolent drug offenders should end up with sentences of more than 20 years.”
http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2015/07/16/obama-talks-to-inmates-in-oklahoma-jail.html
The prisons are an embarrassment to America.
I know most everything you say is satire or laced with sarcasm. While many believe sarcasm, I am inclined to lean the satire way based on many conversations with you.
So from the heart — prisons are an embarrassment. It is embarrassing that we live in America and confine non-violent drug users to a ridiculous sentence. One they have no hopes of being rehabilitated because that costs money and prison doctors don’t give a care. Prisons where they can sleep on concrete floors due to overcrowding. A place where can rest in a dark “hole” for saving freaking tylenol. Somewhere they a get a free meal that isn’t even adequate for your poverty level guys, just enough to keep them alive.
Yes, our prisons are an embarrassment.
I am inclined to lean the satire way based on many conversations with you.
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Please accept my apology for that. It’s collateral damage that I would like to limit as much as possible. I am, (and I say this in the most serious of my online personas), a true blue liberal.
What does that mean? Whatever I say it does?
It means that I care about people. I care about their physical well being as *well* as their emotional and psychological well-being.
It means that I will go out of my way for people. It means I will defend the weak against the abuses of the powerful. It means I try, whenever possible, to see the world through the eyes of those who want to hurt me, through the eyes of those whose lives have been one long series of injustices, through the eyes of the naive follower, through the eyes of the duped, the eyes of those caught up in mob spirit, the eyes of those who have let their desires override their heart, even the eyes of animals who struggle with nature to eke out a living for themselves.
It also means I use every bit of my education, my imagination, my creativity and whatever wit I have at my disposal – to bring the eternal conversation of man out of the gutter where Republicans have thrown it.
Prisons in America should be a light to all nations – how, and why, a civilized nation with more money than God treats their lowest members as though they were errant members of their own family.
Prisons should be a light on a hill that condemns dictators and tyrants… that shows the world what mercy means, what “the punishment must fit the crime” actually means.
The success of prisons should be rehabilitated prisoners, not recidivism. Prisons should be as integrated into our society as the public school system. A responsibility we all share.
A society is judged by how it treats its lowest members.
Though Republicans like to condemn Sharia law because of the brutality it shows to their citizens, but how much effort do they expend insuring that ours is a model that they wouldn’t be ashamed to incarcerate Jesus himself within. A prison where a trade is learned, where education is offered, where conditions reflect our commitment to basic human rights, independent of the soul within the benefactor.
Republican hypocrisy has no limits.
A lot to respond to. While you know I respect you insight, I am not one to bite.
I do all things too: care about people, their well and emotional, psychological well being. I go out of my way to help people. I defend the weakest (until I can’t). What you describe is empathy and many view it as altruism, a trait to be cast aside for selfishness.
I used my education, those of my closest friends, anything I can find on Google or in a book – doesn’t matter – the world stays the same. Yep–cynical.
I won’t get into Sharia Law, because I personally believe it has no place in US. Practice that religion all one wants, but that is not America. Truth is, most those who believe that way, once they live here for any period of time, those old ways of killing die away. It’s just a matter of how long and how many.
I do agree with a prison where a trade is learned, but once they get out of prison they have a mark on their record for life. Education is lacking to put it kindly. I do agree we should respect the soul within, the likeness of man at minimum.
Republican AND Democrats have no limits.
Facts are information. Information is education. A fact — must be proven true, otherwise it is not a fact.
I am not even going to both trying to correct the many typos here, as I am sure there are many.
As always — I enjoy your uniqueness.
We vikings are a rowdy bunch, boisterous drunkards prone to fighting and ruining the reputation of young barmaids…
The circumspect watch silently from their dimly lit tables a safe distance away…
Awww….Vikings. Yes. I am more like Lagertha, but Aslaug has her ways. We all have it in it, it is a matter of what we put on display.
I suppose in the end we must choose sides. What a sad, mad world:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4N3N1MlvVc4
I’ll tell you this Max – while your comments are often the rantings of a madman – you are brilliant. You find a weakness, you listen, you may or may not care, but give people the impression you do.
I’ll never know you, but you are very intellectually interesting, esp for this blog site. Did I say half your shit doesn’t make sense? :)
Did I say half your shit doesn’t make sense? :)
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Half is interstitial material.
I don’t blame you for not putting in as much thought reading, as I do writing… I have an inflated sense of self-importance, just like everyone else… It’s just that I have been blessed with a double portion of humility to deal with it.
Unlike my teachers, who were inscrutable and cryptic to the bitter end… If asked, I will gladly expound on any confusing verse – exhaustive exegesis if necessary.
It was half jest — admitting I do not understand. The other half was you do have an inflated ego, that gives you cause to ridicule.
I have asked for explanation and been denied.
hmm…
Unfortunately, due to missing neurons, burned out in too many flights of imagination in the pursuit of a misspent youth, I need a trifle more specificity than “the answer to life the universe and everything”
When you run out of conversation as much as you appreciate it, you simply post the most current song you are listening to — seems irrelevant a topic change:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkBvhnri5s0
ah… expression via substitution…
Not everyone has a game. (shrug) some are so simple it goes unnoticed.
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everyone has a game.
mine is chess.
Mine is cleaning house. Literally.
I feel the necessity to address your interestitial matter I put far more thought into reading what you write vs. what you write. It is more clear on some days than others. I see people call it gibberish, I am not sure half the time what you are saying and I do note that your writings require a great deal of research. I don’t mind researching. Sometimes, only sometime, they make no sense whatsoever. My self-important and humility drive me to find the answers. Some cannot be found, leaving me to believe you are often guilty, of my mortal sin, speaking via some stream of consciousness that only you understand.
You do you call yourself Euwe Max, which if I am correct, would imply a female sheep? Don’t fret too much, because I am often wrong and if you were a female sheep – I think you the smartest of the litter.
While I appreciate and understand sarcasm, it’s my speciality when I choose to use it, mine is usu dry and no one gets. I am still inclined to believe you have satire or strong irony mixed in. Can’t quite decide.
Still think you are pretty awesome!
I hereby bluster, yet resolve, that in the future, I will be more forthcoming and user-friendly when requests to disambiguate my replies are earnestly made.
Here, with unusual clarity, is a token of my commitment:
You do you call yourself Euwe Max, which if I am correct, would imply a female sheep? Don’t fret too much, because I am often wrong and if you were a female sheep.
Machgielis “Max” Euwe, PhD (Dutch: [?ø?w?]; May 20, 1901 – November 26, 1981) was a Dutch chess Grandmaster, mathematician, and author.
On December 15, 1935 after 30 games played in 13 different cities around The Netherlands over a period of 80 days, Euwe defeated Alekhine by 15½–14½, becoming the fifth World Chess Champion. Alekhine quickly went two games ahead, but from game 13 onwards Euwe won twice as many games as Alekhine. Euwe’s win was regarded as a major upset – he reportedly had believed that beating Alekhine was unlikely – and is sometimes attributed to Alekhine’s alcoholism
At the victory celebration, Alekhine announced “I am proud and happy that the world has as a chess champion, a gentleman.” Euwe replied that “from my birth I’ve been your friend and admirer… I will always be.” Alekhine then interrupted Euwe with a spontaneous remark, “Mister World-Champion, you were always my friend, and will always stay my friend.” This triggered a thunderous burst of applause, and Euwe, visibly moved, walked over to Alekhine to shake his hand, as the ex-champion finished by murmuring “I have always respected you.”
It was an upset that equaled, if not surpassed, Alekhine’s own victory over Capablanca 8 years earlier. Alekhine, as history demonstrates, never gave Capablanca the chance to reclaim the title. In that day and age, the title of World Champion was the property of the World Champion, and he could defend it at his leisure and against opponents of his own choosing. Euwe, in a remarkable act of sportsmanship, offered the heavily favored Alekhine a rematch – which the gentleman unfortunately lost. Nevertheless, unlike previously disposed champions, Euwe did not make excuses for his defeat. “For the time being … my opponent is undisputably my better,” Euwe confessed.
Euwe lost the title to Alekhine in a rematch in 1937, also played in The Netherlands, by the lopsided margin of 15½–9½. Alekhine had given up alcohol to prepare for the rematch, although he would start drinking again later. Alekhine got back to the sort of form he had shown from 1927–35, when he dominated chess. The match was a real contest initially, but Euwe’s play collapsed near the end and he lost four of the last five games. Fine, who was Euwe’s second in this match, attributed the collapse to nervous tension, possibly aggravated by Euwe’s attempts to maintain a calm appearance.
That requires some research on my end, but definitely worth the time. Thank you! Brilliant.
Very interesting story and now I see how your love of chess plays in.
Then Muslims are definitely social conservatives……….
Thanks, I’ve been waiting for someone to bring the definition of social conservative up for quite a while so I could point that out.
“Liberal Christians” an oxymoron?
Perhaps you should talk to members of the Unitarian Church or maybe even the Episcopalians (who happen to have some of the best looking churches BTW)……….
I have no doubt that Muslims are social conservatives, just a different flavor and sometimes a more brutal flavor, but in the end, both want the same thing.
You and I grew up in the same neck of the woods, at different times. I’ve lived most of my adult life in southern states, my favorite as far as the people was Oklahoma.
Only during my time in SC politics, when I unwittingly listed on my profile that I was a Liberal Christian, was it pointed out to me repeatedly by various people — that is an oxymoron. They even created a whole FB group just for me, to mock and ridicule. I turned around and labeled myself Agnostic from that point forward, which many ignorantly confuse with Atheist, and are afraid to ask me many questions about religion.
I grew up with Judeo-Christian values, still believe in much of the Jesus philosophy, I just don’t take the Bible in Literal terms. I am very tolerant of those with different beliefs unless they infringe upon mine (i.e. those who wish harm). I have found living in SC, religion is far more judgmental that I ever realized in my younger years, in other states. I even see churches here that run the young out to do their harsh judgments and votes on whether they can be a member of the church, something I never even heard of until moving here.
You finally stumbled upon a church I know nothing about Unitarian Church?
Unitarian Church?
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witches and warlocks welcome
LOL Might be my kinda church — hahaha!
I have seen liberal Christians within the Church of Christ, but I take your point – institutional Christianity – also known as “Christianity,” and more generically “Religion” – offers little to those who wish to live as Jesus taught.
Jesus taught one thing that I have clung to over the years – yes, paraphrasing, but the gist is “love your neighbor as yourself…all other commandments hinge off this one.” Name one person who does that and we have some religion to talk about.
Name one person who does that and we have some religion to talk about.
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I don’t have room in this post for all the names.
we all do that…
and here is the translation
“love ourselves” is not used here as sarcastic criticism of narcissism, but in its truest sense.
Loving ourselves consists in choosing life as the outcome of every action. This choice grows out of the insight that our “I” is composed of the immutable substance that is life – and loving that life within us will bring the insight that our life is but part of a greater existence engaged in the same struggle.
To the extent that we do not genuinely love ourselves, that is the extent that we do not genuinely love our neighbor.
Truly loving ourselves intensifies our life so that our own life, then becomes a source, in the same way fruit trees become a source, that benefits all life.
Selfishness harms life, and so is proof that you hate life, and thereby yourself… hating life means you hate your neighbor in the same way, and instead of becoming a source, you become a drain.
That is a refreshing and intellectually honest evaluation. Reads like something that should be in one of Nathaniel Brandon’s books with an Epicurean flavor of nature. Brilliantly translated.
“Selfishness harms life, and so is proof that you hate life, and thereby yourself… hating life means you hate your neighbor in the same way, and instead of becoming a source, you become a drain.”
While I think to love ourselves does require small amount of selfishness, because we have to take time for ourselves, when others might prefer we do something else. I also believe that selfishness above and beyond that is a least desirable character trait.
This is a funny story, but only in hindsight. During the early years of marriage, my husband had a serious and somewhat prolonged illness, where he had to take heavy doses of steroids. It was a very difficult time and while I tried to be patient, it was exhausting. He was very negative due to the high doses of prednisone and also unhappy with his health issues at a young age. As a result he would find fault with me and nitpick. I told him one day he was an “energy drainer.”
To this day we laugh about the “energy drainer” comment, but with a healthier understanding. An example of what you quoted above, but induced by medication, complicated by health issues.
A more serious case: I had a neighbor that totally fits the description above and I believe it was pure selfishness. Initially we did not know them and made an effort to be neighborly. Soon after they moved in, upon request, we loaned them a vehicle and money. They repaid us by stealing from us in large. They even went so far as to make counterfeit checks using our company name and home address, but drawn on another companies bank account. I can’t prove it, but no one else had the knowledge to do that. There is a whole laundry list of things that happened and I could not understand why they would do that when we had tried to help them. I thought maybe it was drugs. They also did a similar thing to another neighbor, only I think they literally bankrupted that neighbor in court.
Reflecting back and relating to your comment, I believe you are absolutely correct, they didn’t love themselves, so they were incapable of caring about any of us or what injury they might inflict.
The word “selfishness” is often misused.
To get around this without having to admit the difference, someone decided “enlightened self interest” could be used to describe those times when it’s ok to be selfish.
Love and selfishness are completely different things.
What is your definition of selfishness? I don’t think it is possible to live a “completely” selfless life. Even those I have observed that seemingly do, have self interested goals.
Example, I may appear to be completely selfless at times, but only because it is personally rewarding for me to do so.
I agree love and selfishness are completely different things.
We need to find a philosophical forum LOL
Does that make you feel, what ?
As in a triage, death to some. Preserve those that can still fight. Makes ya feel like GOD, a Colonel?
U r a disgusting person, from a true Marine, not Gommer asu said before.
I struggle to see how your response logically flows from Colonel’s post.
Sarcasm is Euwe’s specialty…
I’m sorry you feel that way, Colonel – I thought we were *friends*!
Your gibberish is an exploration into the limits of nothing.
Meaningless displays from a guy, the sort that once met someone really clever, striving in anonymity to become clever.
But you miss your target by a wide margin.
Gibberish, simply meaningless gibberish.
There it is again. It’s getting serious.
Really, I’m becoming concerned.
You may be suffering from something… a disease that we haven’t even discovered yet.
They may even call it “gibberish,” after the characteristic word that’s typed during a seizure…
They called the sudden blurting of profanity “Tourette’s” after the guy that made it famous.. I heard they were going to name deliberate ignorance after a guy named Tango… I hope they don’t call this one: “Max”..
Perhaps I am not being clear. Your comments are gibberish.
they are meaningless.
They are an attempt to be clever.
To be cute.
But they are gibberish.
They are shit.
There, I said it. You lifelong quest for relevancy, to be erudite, cerebral, perhaps even meaningful, has failed.
You mom will take you back. No doubt she was surprised you ever made it out of the basement.
Your friend,
Max
Have you ever tried to write anything clever, or are you just telling me you know what you like?
More gibberish.
It is meaningless, pissy, gibberish.
He comes up with some of the more erudite posts we have from time to time. One man’s gibberish is another’s truth. All of us post stupidity from time to time.
Respectfully, it is gibberish. Perhaps he is like the blind pig that will sometimes find an accord, but generally speaking it is meaningless gibberish.
Big Pig meets Big Stupid.
And created gibberish!
Your genealogy seems a bit truncated.
Tax money. He wants roads fixed. That takes tax money.
Taxes, used for infrastructure, robs Republicans of their main source of income – bribes, graft, and nepotism.
also, when taxes are used to improve the quality of life, people begin to expect it.
When that happens, people see the advantages of the economy of scale, as well as a cooperative effort to work towards the common goals of health, peace, and shared resources like WiFi, the internet….
where will all this end? We could end up with single payer health care, affordable housing, affordable effective public education?
Why stop there? How about a federally funded wounded warrior project? …or.. or.. switch grass?
Gibberish, gibberish, gibberish….
Maybe you should go in for a check up. You’re not making sense… I don’t know what you see on your end, but all I can see in your posts is “gibberish” – literally!
Gibberish….simply gibberish.
I seem to have stepped in some dog shit.
I hate it when that happens.
Unfortunately, state legislators were the ones who passed the stupid resolution that created this mess. Those decisions should be made at the local level. If the legislature doesn’t want to be involved in the debate, they should pass a resolution taking themselves out of it.
Anyone got a pop up blocker for those of us with less manly confusers?
It’s Back!
Fuck these goddamn pop ups!
Does the speaker have that much power, if the members wishes differ.
The flag needed to go.
We got rid of it.
These other suggestions of changing names, dismantling monuments, and developing a non-offensive landscape and society will do nothing to substantially change anyone’s life. Use your time and energy helping your community to become a better place to live, this kind of activity does not do that. Like it or not, it is part of history and PC enthusiasm run amuck serves no useful purpose. I saw the news in Atlanta, and some have suggested sand blasting the carving off the granite at Stone Mountain. At some point, these landmarks are considered a part of history and need to remain. You don’t like it? Don’t visit them, don’t look at them, and try not to think about them.
Excellent advice… next time I go to a strip club, I’ll try to put it into practice.
“Think about it,” is the only thing I can do in that arena these days.
I thought you were suggesting *not* thinking about it!
I was referring to your strip club comment, not the name-changing, monument-destroying madness that has consumed the thoughts of some people.
I can still remember, when I was a young boy, when I learned that most valuable marketing lesson – “try not to think about a pink elephant.”
It has enriched my understanding in my studies of totally unrelated subjects – ignoring the presence of naked ladies, and monuments to.. well, you know.
Thoughtless, mindless gibberish, hoping for someone to think it is clever. Alas, there are no takers. It is just not clever.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g02WR0OZ0MA
The way you were talking last week, his time as Speaker may not be that much longer so is it really that big of a threat?
Really now, do you stop before every criticism to consciously verify that your target is a “threat?”
Gibberish…
Sound pretty well thought out by the former speaker (Wilkins). He’s now on the record as willing to consider renaming Tillman Hall. The current speaker saved his position and showed leadership. Nothing else to see here. Move along. I can guarantee that the former speaker put this in motion.
Jay Lucas said sure we jumped on the PC bandwagon to savage
white heritage and the valor of brave and true Confederates white and black
And I’m confident that gullible voters will re-elect
Joe-I-Lie-To-Conservatives Wilson and Stab-
‘Em-In-The-Back-Haley though we’re on PC crack !!!
Rebel Son music I recommend for you. I was there, years ago.
4 Marines killed by an Islamic terrorist.
Looks like the Democrats are now on the defensive.
Will you liberals now disavow your allegiance with ISIS and Iran, and call for the banning of the ISIS flag?
Or: are you hateful hypocrites, who embrace Islam, if its agents kill American military?
You got a lotta ‘splainin’ to do.
And Remember: Obama still has the blood of the Ft. Hood Murderer on his hands.
Pogo/Tango go suck on a tailpipe if you think the GOP is going to do anything but make the Middle East more of a fucked up sandy shithole.
Spot on !
Thx.
You always run from who you are.
The media will be pissed, like you, because this gets Roof off the front page, and puts the spotlight on you and Obama, and the deal you just sided with the terrorists on.
Obama will ignore this, because it embarrasses him. And that will just make it more obvious about WHAT he, and you, are. Hating America is not a good campaign strategy.
I guess your chance to ride those 9 poor souls to the White House just went up in flames. Sucks to be you, assholes, doesn’t it? (:
One of Bush’s Kuwaiti buddies reportedly.
Bushmonicas have developed brain callouses, a kind of tumor that grows out of neural tissue to protect against that kind of information.
Nonsensical gibberish from one that hates his own country.
Back on your hole, Maxipad.
No thank you.
My goal in life is to point out meaningless gibberish!
…and after all we did for Kuwait!
what a monumental waste of money!
The shooter is named: Muhammad Youssef Abdulazeez.
Federal (Obama Administration authorities are baffled, and are having a difficult time trying to figure out his motive.
10+
Wow…you came all the way to a site that is supposed to be about justice and individual rights to suggest we assume and indict.
You can’t trust that liar and his cohorts in the SC legislaturre