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BUT SHOULD IT? By FITSNEWS || We’re gonna go ahead and give it up for attorney Benjamin Crump – the guy representing the family of 18-year-old Michael Brown (an unarmed black robbery suspect who was shot dead in Ferguson, Missouri back in August by white police officer Darren Wilson). Crump’s quote responding to…

BUT SHOULD IT?

By FITSNEWS || We’re gonna go ahead and give it up for attorney Benjamin Crump – the guy representing the family of 18-year-old Michael Brown (an unarmed black robbery suspect who was shot dead in Ferguson, Missouri back in August by white police officer Darren Wilson).

Crump’s quote responding to a Missouri grand jury’s decision not to indict Wilson – “the process should be indicted” – is brilliant.  Not to mention generally accurate as it relates to government processes (which are notoriously corrupt).

But is he right in this case?

The grand jury in the Ferguson shooting  – comprised of nine whites and three blacks – reviewed 1,000 pages of evidence and testimony related to the shooting.  They also heard Wilson’s version of events directly – namely that Brown engaged in a scuffle with him just prior to the fatal shooting.

“I said ‘Get back or I’m going to shoot you,'” Wilson testified. “He immediately grabs my gun and says you are too much of a pussy to shoot me.”

Brown’s blood and DNA were found inside the police car, which supported Wilson’s testimony that the 6-foot-4, 292-pound teenager – suspected in a nearby convenience store robbery – charged at him.  Wilson also had mild swelling and discoloration on his cheek consistent with his statement that he was punched by Brown during the altercation.

Brown’s family claims the evidence doesn’t corroborate Wilson’s story – but the grand jury disagreed.  In fact presented with a range of possible charges – from involuntary manslaughter to first-degree murder – the grand jury chose none of the above, letting Wilson go free.

“They are the only people that have heard and examined every witness and every piece of evidence,” St. Louis County prosecutor Bob McCulloch said in announcing the decision not to indict.

MICHAEL BROWN
MICHAEL BROWN (via surveillance)

That’s true … the grand jury met for seventy hours.  They heard testimony from sixty witnesses (white and black).  They meticulously examined the ninety seconds that elapsed between Wilson identifying Brown and the flurry of gunfire that struck him down.

That thoroughness did not impress one racial agitator.

“Let the record be clear,” Rev. Al Sharpton said to the grand jury. “You have broken our hearts, but you have not broken our backs. We are going to continue to pursue justice.”

Sharpton is correct when he says Wilson’s case is not done.  The U.S. Department of Justice – which was furious over leaks allegedly emanating from the grand jury room – could still file a civil rights claim against him.  And there’s the likelihood of a wrongful death suit being brought by Brown’s family.

More relevant to Wilson?  The threat of vigilante “justice,” a possible offshoot of the ongoing unrest in Ferguson – where a militarized police state was back out in full force this week confronting fresh violence deemed to be “worse than the worst night we had in August.”

And for what?

Don’t get us wrong … white or black, unjustified shootings by police are frightening for lovers of liberty to contemplate.

“The judicial system as we’ve constructed it just isn’t equipped — or even willing — to hold officers accountable for shootings and other offenses,” Jamelle Bouie wrote for Slate. “Or put differently, the simple fact is that the police can kill for almost any reason with little fear of criminal charges.”

That’s a disturbing state of affairs … but it’s also one no citizen would ever need to worry about in the event our “independent wire” proposal for law enforcement were adopted.  Let’s hope that happens sooner rather than later … as such a system would protect citizens’ rights as well as police officers from being falsely accused.

In other news related to this ongoing drama, the National Guard presence in Ferguson is expected to climb from 700 to 2,200 in the aftermath of the violence that erupted in the aftermath of the grand jury announcement.

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275 comments

Manray November 25, 2014 at 4:38 pm

I realize many people feel frustrated by the legal system — and particularly this case. But I challenge those who claim justice was denied or subverted. The grand jury met, it was representative of the demographic makeup of St. Louis County (I checked), many witnesses were examined, forensic evidence was presented, and they decided not to indict Officer Wilson. What else should have been done? Is there some evidence the law was erroneously applied, unusual influence brought to bear, or the process was somehow corrupted or improper? Not that I’ve seen. There seems to be a lot of outrage due to the result not being what many people wanted, but due process of law took place.

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tomstickler November 25, 2014 at 8:20 pm

This case has been conducted in a very unusual fashion. Jeffrey Toobin opines:

“But the goal of criminal law is to be fair—to treat similarly situated people similarly—as well as to reach just results. McCulloch gave Wilson’s case special treatment. He turned it over to the grand jury, a rarity itself, and then used the investigation as a document dump, an approach that is virtually without precedent in the law of Missouri or anywhere else. Buried underneath every scrap of evidence McCulloch could find, the grand jury threw up its hands and said that a crime could not be proved. This is the opposite of the customary ham-sandwich approach, in which the jurors are explicitly steered to the prosecutor’s preferred conclusion. Some might suggest that all cases should be treated the way McCulloch handled Wilson before the grand jury, with a full-fledged mini-trial of all the incriminating and exculpatory evidence presented at this preliminary stage. Of course, the cost of such an approach, in both time and money, would be prohibitive, and there is no guarantee that the ultimate resolutions of most cases would be any more just. In any event, reserving this kind of special treatment for white police officers charged with killing black suspects cannot be an appropriate resolution.”

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Manray November 25, 2014 at 10:06 pm

I have seen other legal pundits on TV who said the DA went out of his way to make the case fair and the process unimpeachable. Maybe McCulloch was damned if he did and damned if he didn’t?

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euwe max November 25, 2014 at 10:51 pm

You wouldn’t want to hold an officer of the law to “a higher standard,” that would be prejudicial.

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truthmonger November 26, 2014 at 6:07 am

That is a higher MORAL standard for employment (not lying, cheating on wives, or associating with criminals, etc.). In a courtroom, an officer has the same Constitutional rights as everyone else.

euwe max November 25, 2014 at 10:50 pm

Rank has its privileges.

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truthmonger November 26, 2014 at 6:05 am

And truth wins out. NO TRUE BILL.

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truthmonger November 26, 2014 at 6:04 am

Actually, it is rare for a person facing indictment to testify before the Grand Jury -because they are usually guilty and any testimony can later be used at trial. The fact that Wilson testified is quite telling. Those of us who actually understand how the courts work know that the process worked as it should -and those who claim otherwise are simply trying to force a political issue.

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Jackie Chiles November 26, 2014 at 9:02 am

Yes, until every single person is accorded their due process, nobody should get it.

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Cops lie all the time November 25, 2014 at 4:45 pm

“Wilson also had mild swelling and discoloration on his cheek consistent with his statement that he was punched by Brown.”

Does this look like mild swelling to anyone?

http://www.targetliberty.com/2014/11/on-darren-wilsons-broken-eye-socket.html

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Smirks November 25, 2014 at 5:29 pm

The “broken eye socket” thing was also accompanied with a picture of someone with a messed-up face… that wasn’t Wilson at all.

http://www.snopes.com/info/news/wilson.asp

There’s a shitload of misinformation out there though. Thanks, sensationalist media!

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euwe max November 25, 2014 at 10:49 pm

oh.. he shot the kid inside the car? Well that sure supports the officer’s story… that he didn’t give to anyone, but just might have been undeniable due to the blood and the bullet holes in the car.

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Jackie Chiles November 26, 2014 at 9:20 am

I suggest you go on the documents considered by the grand jury, including the radio traffic report that indicated a black guy with a white t-shirt, cardinals hat, yellow socks, khaki shorts had robbed the store. I further point you to the DNA evidence showing that Brown’s DNA was on the driver side door, hood of the car, inside handle of the cop car.

Quoting statements by the police chief while the investigation was ongoing just shows the weakness of your argument.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/11/25/us/evidence-released-in-michael-brown-case.html

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euwe max November 26, 2014 at 9:46 am

where do you figure the police chief got that information? Think he made it up? Brown’s DNA was on the door because wilson shot him.

dwok November 26, 2014 at 9:55 am

It was also on the gun. I wonder how that got there genius.

Questioning authority is one thing, putting your hands on a cops gun is another.

euwe max November 26, 2014 at 10:05 am

blowback.

dwok November 26, 2014 at 10:35 am

blowback?

Brown’s first wound was a graze wound to his thumb. The thumb had gun powder residue embedded deeply into the wound which could only mean that Brown had his hand on the barrel of the gun when the officer fired his weapon.

euwe max November 26, 2014 at 10:40 am

that’s what you call blowback.. you shoot, blood comes splattering back… it’s more pronounced the closer you are to the muzzle.

Yuck! November 26, 2014 at 10:10 am

If an officer draws on you at point blank and you think he’s going to put a round into you, do you try to grab the gun?

dwok November 26, 2014 at 10:33 am

You can’t be serious.

First of all, I wouldn’t have pushed an officer back into his car. I wouldn’t be reigning blows upon an officer inside his car.

Next question.

Yuck! November 26, 2014 at 10:38 am

You didn’t answer the question. But we both know that.

dwok November 26, 2014 at 10:54 am

I don’t like answering ridiculous hypothetical questions.

I would never initiate an attack on a police officer, so therefore………

Yuck! November 26, 2014 at 10:57 am

Well then, you’ll never get beyond your limited thinking then.

If you can’t speculate on the possibility that Brown was in fear for his life, then you have assumed you know the truth.

Jackie Chiles November 26, 2014 at 9:57 am

Let’s see, Brown was 20 feet away, hands in the air surrendering. Wilson shoots this way ——————————> at a downward angle execution style like.

In Euwe Max’s world, Brown’s DNA flys this way <—————————- 30 feet through the air to somehow land on the inside door handle of the car.

Must have been a strong breeze that day.

euwe max November 26, 2014 at 10:04 am

He shot the gun in the car, before he got out. Did you miss that part?

Jackie Chiles November 26, 2014 at 10:10 am

Ah yes, that changes everything.

Wilson fired the gun with the door closed in the car like this : ———> at Brown 20 feet away.

Brown’s DNA travels this way this way to land on to the inside handle of the closed car door.

It makes perfect sense people. WHY DID THE GRAND JURY NOT SEE THIS!!!!!

Yuck! November 26, 2014 at 10:11 am

Dude, Euwe Max is right…the first shot was with the door open and Brown/Wilson fighting at the door of the cruiser….

Jackie Chiles November 26, 2014 at 10:13 am

Wait, there was a fight? I thought Brown was surrendering with his hands up?

Yuck! November 26, 2014 at 10:19 am

It wasn’t me who said that….hyperbole not withstanding.

euwe max November 26, 2014 at 10:16 am

Brown’s arms were in the car… Wilson was holding him by the arm when the gun went off.. after he shot the kid, the kid got moving… wilson got out of the car and shot at him… the kid stopped, turned around with his hands in the air, and wilson shot him to death at that point.

Jackie Chiles November 26, 2014 at 10:28 am

Witnesses claiming what you describe have mostly been discredited. Some claimed that Brown was shot in the back as he raised his hands. Forensic evidence showed he was not. Discredited.

Further, some witnesses at first tried to claim that Wilson never said stop. Later, during subsequent interviews they stated they remembered him screaming stop at Brown as Brown moved towards Wilson. Again, discredited.

One witness claimed that Wilson shot brown as he was curled up in a ball on the ground. Discredited.

euwe max November 26, 2014 at 10:32 am

I don’t care if one witness claimed that Wilson wasn’t even armed. A discredited witness has no effect on the observations of other witnesses… and common sense.

Jackie Chiles November 26, 2014 at 11:03 am

Literally no credible witness has espoused the story you claim occurred. The evidence supports Wilson’s claims.

Move on November 26, 2014 at 11:04 am

“credible witness”

Totally subjective.

You two going back and forth will never resolve.

euwe max November 26, 2014 at 11:08 am

The first autopsy, the witnesses recorded watching the scene unfold, common sense and Wilson’s own testimony support:

shot at close range in the car
shot while moving away from the car
shot after stopping, turning around and coming back towards the car at a distance of over 100 feet from the car.

Fixed November 26, 2014 at 10:01 am

You should change you name to “People lie all the time”.

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Cops lie all the time November 26, 2014 at 10:22 am

I’ll grant that, but I have to remind everyone that cops are people.

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Fixed November 26, 2014 at 12:46 pm

Right, so you at least concede that it’s possible that “eye witnesses” in Ferguson are also potential liars?

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Cops lie all the time November 26, 2014 at 1:09 pm

Of course. But may here seem to “know” the truth.

TontoBubbaGoldstein November 25, 2014 at 4:55 pm

PRO TIP:

Don’t commit strong arm robbery.

Bonus PRO TIP(s):

Don’t attack LEOs.
Don’t try to grab a LEO’s gun.
Don’t tell LEO that he “won’t shoot [you] because he’s a pussy”.
After being shot; don’t charge towards a LEO who still has a loaded gun pointed at you.

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RogueElephant November 25, 2014 at 6:32 pm

Officer Wilson fixed stupid.

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Squishy123 November 25, 2014 at 6:47 pm

Yep, ventilating a thugs skull will do that.

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Soft Sigh from Hell November 25, 2014 at 7:39 pm

We’ve heard no guff afterwards from Randy Weaver or Jim Koresh.either.

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The Colonel November 25, 2014 at 7:53 pm

Weaver is alive and well. His wife Vicki however was killed in the “Ruby Ridge Incident”. After trial he was sentenced to time served and a $10,000 fine. Weaver then sued the gubamint and won $3,100,000 for himself and his children.

Soft Sigh from Hell November 25, 2014 at 8:09 pm

Forgot that part.

But I trust the sniper went unindicted.

The Colonel November 25, 2014 at 8:14 pm

Actually, agent Lon Horiuchi, the sniper in question was inducted by the DA of Boundary County Idaho. The charge was dismissed later when the U.S. Attorney filed a wit of removal and took over the case.

Soft Sigh from Hell November 25, 2014 at 8:27 pm

Ah, indicted to no effect.

I have, over the years, read much whining from conservatives over the Weavers and the Koreshers. Even about the unfired federal guns in the Elian rescue. But rarely if ever see any sympathy from them for black victims. So no principle seems to be involved. I thus was just poking at a sore spot.

The Colonel November 25, 2014 at 9:19 pm

I tend to disagree, I hope Groubert is indicted for shooting Levar Jones. While Jones was stupid to have dove back in the car, Groubert had no reason to shoot him at all. http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/25/justice/south-carolina-trooper-shooting/index.html

euwe max November 25, 2014 at 11:35 pm

b..b..b.. but he wuz skeeered!

euwe max November 25, 2014 at 11:34 pm

We should give these cases where government has an implied conflict of interest to an unbiased third party used to dealing with such things in an unbiased manner… like the IDF.

Reasonable? November 25, 2014 at 9:26 pm

“The Constitution grants immunity to a law enforcement officer acting in his role.”

Actually, if I understand properly, only if it’s considered “reasonable”:

“After carefully reviewing the record, we cannot
agree
with the district court that Agent Horiuchi’s use of deadly force
against Harris and, by extension, Mrs. Weaver, was objectively
reasonable as a matter of law. Accordingly, Agent Horiuchi is not
entitled to dismissal on the ground of Supremacy Clause immunity at
this stage in the proceeding.”

http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/weaver/idahovhoriuchi.html

The Colonel November 25, 2014 at 9:44 pm

True, that’s what I meant by “…acting in his role…”.

Reasonable? November 25, 2014 at 9:51 pm

His role is “law enforcement”, which is different than being “objectively reasonable as a matter of law”.

The Colonel November 25, 2014 at 11:00 pm

“Acting within his proper role as a police officer” as opposed to lynching the freedom rides, shaking down a drug dealer or protecting a pimp and his string of hookers.

Reasonable? November 25, 2014 at 11:26 pm

….or shooting a mother with her infant in her arms

The Colonel November 26, 2014 at 10:53 am

Yeah, there is that. Weaver lost a wife and a son mostly because he wanted to be left anyone.

TontoBubbaGoldstein November 26, 2014 at 10:53 am

Lon Horiuchi, the sniper in question was indicted by the DA of Boundary County Idaho. The charge was dismissed later when the U.S. Attorney filed a writ of removal and took over the case.

*Sprays cocktail of Manischewitz, cough syrup and gummy bears on monitor*

CHARGE DISMISSED??

*Grabs gas can and a club and heads to HHGregg to getst a flatscreen for the Clemson/Sakerlina game protest injustice.*

Yuck! November 26, 2014 at 10:55 am

You’d think given the nature of the Ferguson story it’d be Skittles, punch and Robitussin you sprayed.

Poser!

I keeeeeeddddd!

euwe max November 25, 2014 at 11:33 pm

snipers are held to a higher standard.

euwe max November 26, 2014 at 9:52 am

Weaver might be alive, but I haven’t heard much guff out of him. Think it was the money?

idcydm November 26, 2014 at 9:54 am

“Think it was the money?”…just like Fits is lovin ya today.

euwe max November 26, 2014 at 10:05 am

yeah.. well.. so there!

FastEddy23 November 27, 2014 at 4:20 am

The several federal cases associated with the Ruby Ridge incidents have opened several avenues of defense against errant government, at least in that District.

The truly sad affair is almost totally ignored by a complicit mean scream media.


FYI: 12 A10s enroute to Q8. Close Air Support for Iraqis. (Scuttlebutt: 6 more for Jordan, “as needed”, 12 more before next “Arab Spring”. … And we might get that base back … Bye, bye Hagel?)

euwe max November 25, 2014 at 11:32 pm

McVeigh has been pretty silent on all this puffery too!

Soft Sigh from Hell November 25, 2014 at 8:14 pm

I wonder how conservatives feel about thuggish black cops?

That has to tug in a few directions.

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Most hate libertarians November 26, 2014 at 10:44 am

I really found your comment interesting when I read it yesterday.

The dynamic for “conservatives” on the issue of authority is an interesting one.

Most would claim a general dislike for too much authority in certain government areas, but then when it comes to cops it’s almost like they abdicate and place all of their faith in that type of authority.

It seem incongruent to me.

euwe max November 26, 2014 at 11:22 am

The consistency in conservative viewpoint is fear masked by hatred.

They fear authority – therefore they express hatred for perceived threat to themselves.. and kiss up to authority when it is a threat to things they fear even more than authority.

They fear physical confrontation – therefore they want to be the only ones with firearms, and have carte blanche to use them. It also helps with their physical self image to insinuate the use of deadly force.

They fear being rejected, or laughed at – therefore they swagger and pretend to be respected, expressing hatred for women who do not accept the role of submissive spouse.. though they leer at the sexual freedom of attractive, independent women, think of them as sluts (unless they think they can get in their pants).

They fear intellect – therefore they reject science and fact-based reality, choosing to use vague references to “alternative science,” even to the point of absurdity… suspicion that intellect is a thin veneer over conspiracy also doubles as a sense of belonging for the uneducated.

Most hate libertarians November 26, 2014 at 11:27 am

“They fear intellect – therefore they reject science and fact-based reality, choosing to use vague references to “alternative science,” even to the point of absurdity”

Well, I’m not sure they fear intellect myself, I think that might be a stretch. I certainly have a healthy does of skepticism on “science” and find few things truly easy “fact based reality”….I’m a skeptic over everything(which is difficult).

I also fear authority…but I guess that why their apparent conflicted positions get on my nerves aside from the fact it’s not logical.

euwe max November 26, 2014 at 11:44 am

intellect is a big fear generator…

in the days when it was becoming apparent that cigarettes caused cancer.. smokers were responding with anger.. reciting old studies.. recalling anecdotal stories about 100 year old smokers.. refusing to read news stories.. treating the subject as taboo even with friends and family…

Since the 60’s conservatives have watched their culture invaded, minimized, ridiculed. Today, only the most tenacious and willfully ignorant are blocking the light of reason from affecting their traditional cultural viewpoints… control over society through law is eroding to the point they feel under siege..

Hunting reduced to tying a goat to a tree and shooting it to get “back to nature”… releasing fowl on private land to provide more comfortable “sport”…
children playing with cell phones during prayer at mealtime…
language reserved for adults who inadvertently hit their thumb with a hammer used on daytime tv.. cable reducing morals to adolescent prurience..
Celebrity status conferred to women sucking black dick, and showing their coochie to the world…

Euwe Max, getting away with pointing it out, using a form of free speech the fondling fathers dared not imagine…

James Fleming Jr November 26, 2014 at 3:52 pm

I am a Conservative I do fear and hate Lies!

euwe max November 26, 2014 at 5:22 pm

Naked mole rats (also sand puppy or desert mole-rat) are blind, insensitive to pain and burrow vertically, nose to ass. They’re coprophages – that means they eat shit. The workers eat each others shit, and feed it to their young. That’s a good metaphor for Conservatives.. maybe they say they hate lies, but they subsist almost entirely on lies and hypocrisy .

Republicans own the south.

SCBlues November 26, 2014 at 6:41 pm

“The consistency in conservative viewpoint is fear masked by hatred.”
euwe max – I know we went through this before a long time ago and I know you are married but I still love you! (Just don’t tell your wife!)

euwe max November 26, 2014 at 7:26 pm

Love is a good thing.

CorruptionInColumbia November 26, 2014 at 2:30 pm

The same way I feel about thuggish white cops. Also, if a Black cop shoots and kills a thuggish white POS, I say “good job” to the Black cop and hope he gets a raise and a promotion. For some reason, I won’t get into the, “oh hell no, he killed one of us” mentality that another side of the coin seems to embrace so irrationally and illogically with scary predictability.

FastEddy23 November 27, 2014 at 4:06 am

Libertarians feel just fine about ’em. 50 miles from my house: Oakland Taxifornia, where thuggish black cops used to keep the peace … Now, with Taxifornia waging war on personal firearms and an all to PC Berkely-ized Oakland force: murder rate up 35%, armed robbery up 50%.

bogart November 26, 2014 at 11:34 am

If a 6ft 4in 180 lb trained and armed police officer can’t bring down an unarmed same size man without blasting him with five bullets, then I’m thinking that police officer needs better training.

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Fecal Matters November 26, 2014 at 3:03 pm

Same size? Where are you getting your facts? Michael Brown was 6’5″ 289. Wilson is 6’4″ 210. Outweighing someone by 80 pounds is not the “same size”.

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The Colonel November 25, 2014 at 8:02 pm

“Pants up – don’t loot”

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FastEddy23 November 27, 2014 at 4:30 am

Drudge Headline 11/27: “Too Cold For Ferguson” = Too cold to be luggin’ no big screen.

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Yuck! November 25, 2014 at 9:34 pm

You know, I can agree with #1, but the rest of your commentary is based off of the testimony of the officer.

When we go back and look at your uninformed defending of the officer in the Levar Jones case via another FITS post, where you received a similar large amount of “thumbs up”, your statements were definitively and objectively wrong.

In fact, your statements were the very opposite of truth.

So has anyone considered the possibility that the officer might have lied in his testimony?

Most have not and will not, obviously including you. Most are unapologetic cheerleaders for the very boot that might someday stomp them.

This is not an endorsement for the animals running around burning down their village either. It’s a simple statement of truth. Nothing more.

Carry on.

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TontoBubbaGoldstein November 25, 2014 at 10:07 pm

When we go back and look at your uninformed defending of the officer in the Levar Jones case via another FITS post, where you received a similar large amount of “thumbs up”, your statements were definitively and objectively wrong.

TBG sure as Hell didn’t defend the officer [in the Levar Jones case] after the video came out.

In the current case, you might take note that the forensic evidence was consistent with the officer’s testimony as well as that of some of the “eyewitnesses”. Sure, he *might* have lied, but the evidence indicates that he didn’t.

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Yuck! November 25, 2014 at 10:09 pm

Just like last time, right? Should we go back to your Levar Jones post and spell out the assumptions you made last time?

Are you suggesting that your assumptions weren’t meant to be interpreted as a “defense”?

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TontoBubbaGoldstein November 26, 2014 at 8:24 am

Should we go back to your Levar Jones post and spell out the assumptions you made last time?

TBG assumed that the “State Trooper suddenly started shooting the unarmed Mr. Jones for no apparent reason” narrative was BS. When evidence emerged that that was exactly what happened TBG changed his tune PDQ.

TBG still wonders why this case didn’t become a cause célèbre for the “cops running around shooting unarmed black guys” crowd. Hell, the solicitor, ITBGRC, even termed it a “justifiable shooting” after viewing the video…

The evidence in the Brown/Wilson case supported Officer Wilson’s account.

Please keep in mind that TBG, or anyone else, can simultaneously believe that the police have become an over militarized, extra judicial extension of an overbearing government AND that this particular case was a justifiable shooting.

Yuck! November 26, 2014 at 8:32 am

“Please keep in mind that TBG, or anyone else, can simultaneously believe that the police have become an over militarized, extra judicial extension of an overbearing government AND that this particular case was a justifiable shooting.”

You can, but that doesn’t mean you have a good reason to believe i was justifiable. Given your feelings about the state of policing in the US, it would seem cognitively dissonant, especially when the testimony of the officer conflicts with the closest eye witness who was never charged with anything…nothing at all.

TontoBubbaGoldstein November 26, 2014 at 9:05 am

the testimony of the officer conflicts with the closest eye witness who was never charged with anything…nothing at all.

But the officer’s testimony DID jibe with other witnesses and the forensic evidence. TBG figures TPTB were skeered to bring appropriate charges against the “closest witness”. Or it could be that they realize that bringing charges might cut down on future shenanigans and for whatever reasons, they don’t want that.

Yes, TBG is aware of the argument that charging false accusers and witnesses may stop legitimate witnesses and accusers from coming forward in the future.

Yuck! November 26, 2014 at 9:41 am

“But the officer’s testimony DID jibe with other witnesses and the forensic evidence.”

The better answer you should be peddling based on your outlook IMO is, “I don’t know, I make no assumptions.”

euwe max November 25, 2014 at 10:45 pm

but the evidence indicates that he didn’t.

——-
he shot the kid in the car.
he got out of the car and shot at the kid running away.
he shot the kid facing him with his hands in the air

These are facts.

he embellished on all of those facts… the facts didn’t change… the “evidence” changed throughout the time between the act and the deposition. Plenty of time to provide embellishments… like hitting him with his hands in the air.

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Yuck! November 25, 2014 at 11:24 pm
come on euwe November 25, 2014 at 11:33 pm

E max, are you being serious, you’re usually much sharper than that. Three autopsy reports showed he didn’t shoot him while he was running away even the friend at the scene had to do a 180 on that bull shit lie, and frankly it was tough believe much he had to say after that shot him in the car? How did he get in the car, does it really make since he was attempting to pull him in the car by the nape like the friend said? A 300 lb guy? To what end? For a blowjob or to pull him over the seat and flip him over then arrest him?

euwe max November 25, 2014 at 11:39 pm

Three autopsy reports showed he didn’t shoot him while he was running away

—–

no they didn’t.

However, law enforcement officials say witnesses and forensic analysis have shown that Officer Wilson did sustain an injury during the struggle in the car.

As Officer Wilson got out of his car, the men were running away. The officer fired his weapon but did not hit anyone, according to law enforcement officials.

believe what you feel November 25, 2014 at 11:47 pm

I’m confused, he didn’t shoot him while running away. Definitely proven by the autopsy. The autopsy cannot prove or disprove if he shot AT him running running away.

euwe max November 25, 2014 at 11:48 pm

he didn’t shoot him while running away. Definitely proven by the autopsy.

——
no it wasn’t.

how so? November 25, 2014 at 11:50 pm

Well, unless he was running away backwards – and I’m not being a smart ass – the wound were frontal and to the top of his head.

euwe max November 25, 2014 at 11:52 pm

There was a wound on his arm that did not provide definite evidence which direction Brown was facing when he got it.

okay, I'll accept that we disa November 25, 2014 at 11:58 pm

Well, you got me there, IF he was walking arms by his side like most people stroll, and that may have been the case, if running from a crazed gun weilding cop in the manner that most humans run run, then no. But if it supports what we each want, I guess we will each go with it.

euwe max November 26, 2014 at 12:13 am

he was a hefty boy!

Squishy123 November 26, 2014 at 9:02 am

You calling a black 18 year old man, “boy”?

euwe max November 26, 2014 at 9:06 am

well, congratulations, Squishy123, you got me.

That was a very poor choice of words.

Good catch.

Jackie Chiles November 26, 2014 at 9:11 am

Bigot.

euwe max November 26, 2014 at 9:22 am

Well, there you go again… with those darned… heh heh… you guys really make me laugh.. heh heh.. When I opposed Medicare, there was another piece of legislation meeting the same problem before the Congress. I happened to favor the other piece of legislation and thought that it would be better for the senior citizens and provide better care than the one that was finally passed.

SCBlues November 26, 2014 at 6:25 pm

“Bigot.”
Idiot.

Jackie Chiles November 26, 2014 at 9:31 pm

(calls black men “boy” wonders why black people don’t like her)

SCBlues November 27, 2014 at 9:53 am

“(calls black men “boy” wonders why black people don’t like her)”
Idiot.

Jackie Chiles December 1, 2014 at 10:06 pm

Your white privilege is showing.

SCBlues December 3, 2014 at 5:25 pm

“Your white privilege is showing.”
Idiot.

Jackie Chiles December 3, 2014 at 6:02 pm

(calls grown black men “boy,” claims to not be racist)

SCBlues December 4, 2014 at 3:47 am

“(calls grown black men “boy,” claims to not be racist)”
Idiot.

Squishy123 November 26, 2014 at 10:48 am

So now you’re agreeing that Brown wasn’t a “boy” but in fact a “man”. Next you’ll realize that he’s not as innocent as you’re arguing he is.

euwe max November 26, 2014 at 10:54 am

18 is a man… I knew that. I’ve been calling him a “kid” – the poetic license of age. “boy” was a bridge too far, and you righteously called me on it.

I didn’t say he was innocent – if he’d have had a gun, he’d pass for a Republican! On that day, at least, he acted like a psychopath.

His theft was only a felony because he stopped to fuck with the little Indian guy… It would make a good conservative sight gag, if it was used in a low-brow, dipshit comedy. Big Mike was obviously a bully… apparently impressing the hell out of his wimpier friend.

truthmonger November 26, 2014 at 5:43 am

Only according to the Brown family attorney. EVERYONE else in the forensic community knew what was up (or in this case, what WASN’T).

euwe max November 26, 2014 at 11:05 am

A sixth shot that hit the forearm traveled from the back of the arm to the inner arm, which means Brown’s palms could not have been facing Officer Wilson, Dr. Melinek said.

Squishy123 November 27, 2014 at 10:52 pm

Or running toward him… when you run, you pump your arms. Either way, it doesn’t really matter. There wasn’t enough evidence to charge Wilson with any criminal offense.

euwe max November 27, 2014 at 10:55 pm

You’d have to pump your arms like a cartoon to get that kind of wound.

Squishy123 November 26, 2014 at 10:47 am

I thought his hands were up, which if walking forward, the back of the arms would be exposed. So what was it, running away, or arms up? You Brown supporters need to get your shit together.

euwe max November 26, 2014 at 11:00 am

shot at while running away, stopped, arms up, shot to death. Even Wilson said his arms were up.

Squishy123 November 26, 2014 at 3:43 pm

99% of America doesn’t care what direction he was running, I doubt it was away from Wilson. The thug is dead, Wilson’s job for the day is done, time to move on tomorrow and there’s no shortage of thugs who need to end up in the street leaking.

euwe max November 26, 2014 at 5:25 pm

99% of America doesn’t care what direction he was running, I doubt it was away from Wilson.
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you doubt? The distance from the front wheel of the officer’s S.U.V. to Big Mike’s body was 153 feet, 9 inches.

What exactly do you think happened? He was shot so hard, he was propelled down the street, where he died?

I want that pistol!

Squishy123 November 27, 2014 at 10:51 pm

Okay, then tell me why at least 9 of 12 grand jury members said all of the evidence showed there wasn’t enough reasonable doubt to file any charges against Wilson. Once you’ve been attacked as a police officer, you tend to follow the attacker if possible… you don’t think, I just got my ass kicked, screw this and run away.

euwe max November 27, 2014 at 11:29 pm

you don’t think,

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Either he’s a lying sack of shit – or he didn’t think at all, and between pissing himself over the thought of getting his ass kicked by a kid, and killing him – he forgot how it went down. The grand jury decided to go with he didn’t think, and like a coward blacking out in the fierceness of losing his bladder, forgot a few of the details.

Squishy123 November 26, 2014 at 10:44 am

What an idiot.

In the immortal words of any big hooped earring wearing baby mama, “He dea”. Not “dead”, “dea”… it’s Ebonics, where you don’t pronounce the last consonant.

Still don’t give a fuck, good shoot by Wilson. Too bad it didn’t take out a half dozen of the other worthless fucks who were likely just loitering around during the middle of the day.

SCBlues November 26, 2014 at 8:24 am

“Don’t commit strong arm robbery.”
I think that anyone who steals cigars deserves the death penalty!

(And if you smoke them that is pretty much what you get anyway.)

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Yuck! November 26, 2014 at 8:33 am

Yes, sadly it seems that everyone, including the normally level headed TBG has forgotten the concept of “proportional justice”.

They all assume that the cop is like George Washington claimed he was. Someone find me a cherry tree.

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STUF November 26, 2014 at 9:12 am

Stealing cigarillos is a petty crime, assaulting a police officer is not.

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Yuck! November 26, 2014 at 9:43 am

I agree, but she didn’t make the case that assaulting a police officer is not.

No one doubts that he robbed a store and shook up a small man in the process, which is reprehensible.

Where the “doubt” is, is whether he assaulted the officer and if he did if the officer shot him out of fear for his life or if he shot him because he had the temerity to not obey.

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CorruptionInColumbia November 26, 2014 at 2:38 pm

Given the (now dead) bully’s behavior toward the store clerk, it isn’t hard for me to believe he was in a seriously hostile mode which extended to his encounter with the cop. The world is likely a far better place now without that bully in it.

guesty November 25, 2014 at 4:56 pm

Wrong police shooting for the masses to be fired up over. There are plenty of other ones that actually deserve the media attention and protests. Brown was screwed the moment he hit the cop and went for the gun. I’m not on board with Wilson’s entire account of what happened either – especially the good ole “hand in the waistband” which is used frequently to justify shooting civilians.

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TontoBubbaGoldstein November 25, 2014 at 5:04 pm

Wrong police shooting for the masses to be fired up over.

TBG agrees.

There are plenty of other ones that actually deserve the media attention and protests.

Surely there must be some, but why do the media and *professional agitators* so often pick the wrong ones?

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Yuck! November 25, 2014 at 10:23 pm

My guess is because they don’t like unified fronts. They need division because if the party becomes unified they can’t control the mob(it would be much larger) and the major media is as much a party to the establishment governance as the donut eaters running around living/using your taxes to squeeze you for more via minor infractions while you drive around in your car or walk across the street against a traffic light.

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TontoBubbaGoldstein November 25, 2014 at 11:07 pm

TBG likes your theory but thinks you are giving them waaay too much credit.

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Yuck! November 25, 2014 at 11:42 pm

Maybe, but “PC opinion” doesn’t come out of no where. When you flip around the MSM channels there’s a reason the message is the same and I don’t think it’s “luck” or accurate reporting. (Ok, I’m a cynic)

TontoBubbaGoldstein November 26, 2014 at 8:01 am

Good point.

TontoBubbaGoldstein November 26, 2014 at 8:05 am

Maybe, but “PC opinion” doesn’t come out of no where.
Good point.

Ok, I’m a cynic
TBG, too!

“No matter how cynical you become, it’s never enough to keep up.” – Lily Tomlin

NYTs SIgned Death Wish? November 25, 2014 at 5:39 pm

The New York Times has posted Wilson’s home address … It was reported this afternoon by Briebart News that the NYT did this. What next? The names and addresses of the Grand Jury, too?

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Squishy123 November 25, 2014 at 6:52 pm

Big deal, you could probably go on Whitepages.com or Switchboard.com and pull it up too. Trying to find someone online is retard simple, any Ferguson thug could do it.

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then why exactly November 25, 2014 at 8:59 pm

But of posted on the front page of the State paper I bet you’d think differently, and as a counter to that, since it is so simple what could possibly have been the point of the times doing that??? Other than to intimidate Wilson…

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Squishy123 November 25, 2014 at 11:00 pm

Like any of those ignorant bastards screaming for Mikey can read. The NYT’s slightly above the National Enquirer when it comes to journalism.

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What happened was... November 25, 2014 at 6:06 pm

This whole things sucks ass, but not one of us was there to see any of it and neither was anyone talking about it. there are about 16 different things that happened that day. What Wilson said happened, what the Brown family says happened, what the people who saw it said happened, what the people who claimed to have seen it but really didn’t said happen, what people claim they heard happen from the kid at 32 flavors told them, what the media that wanted Brown to be a thug said happened, what the media that wanted Brown to be a gentle giant said happened, what the media that wanted ratings said happened, what the social media for Brown said happened, what the social media for Wilson said happened, what the cops said happened, what the peaceful protester said happened, what the people that wanted violence said happened, what the people that wanted free liquor and the new iphone said happened, what Al Sharpton said happened, what Billy the redneck said happened, and what really happened. Since not one of us was there we will never know but apparently we must fall into one of these categories. Like I said this whole thing sucks ass. I feel for everyone involved in this no matter what others think.

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idcydm November 25, 2014 at 6:43 pm

Whenever we point our finger at someone or something as a cause, we must realize and consider that three of our fingers are pointing back at us.

I must admit it took half of my life to start looking at myself first for the problems that were happening in my life. If not for a treatment center and AA forcing me to look at myself first and almost 30 years of sobriety as far as Ferguson, but for the grace of God go I.

May Michael Brown rest in peace and may Darren Wilson find peace of mind.

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guesty November 25, 2014 at 7:15 pm

I just watched Wilson on ABC and he seems at peace with what happened. Suppose some of what he said in regards to having a clear conscience and not being bothered by the death has to do with any potential lawsuits and federal investigation.

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idcydm November 25, 2014 at 7:35 pm

I saw part of the interview with Stephnopoulos. Wilson looked calm but have no idea what was in his mind, I’m sure his lawyer has instructed him what to say and how to say it.

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Squishy123 November 25, 2014 at 6:46 pm

Why would they need to change it? All the Grand Jury is there to do is determine whether or not there is enough evidence to charge a person. They only need to look at one side, because they’re there for a “Yes” or “No” answer, not a “Guilty” or “Not Guilty” determination.

Had this turned out the other way and Brown shot and killed Wilson in the car, would this have even made the news outside of Missouri?

Fuck Michael Brown, the thug got what was eventually going to happen to him. His mom is one class act too.

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The Colonel November 25, 2014 at 7:57 pm

His step father is the real prize, “…burn this #=)(er down…”

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Scooter November 25, 2014 at 9:24 pm

He was baptized just last week. The church was burned last night

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shooter__let er fly November 25, 2014 at 11:13 pm

Go figure. The preacher was probably a bookie.

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Squishy123 November 26, 2014 at 9:09 am

They tend to find religion when the whole world is looking at what a fuck up they are.

Squishy123 November 25, 2014 at 10:56 pm

Okay so his mother was just screamin’ “ma fuka this and ma fuka that” in her response. Before Mikey got his head pressure released she was just another welfare bitch in a town nobody ever heard of.

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Squishy123 November 25, 2014 at 6:49 pm

Had little, innocent Mikey stood in line, paid for his cigars like a good little boy, Wilson would have already passed by the location where Mikey and his thug buddy were walking in the street and he’d be walking around today.

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euwe max November 25, 2014 at 10:42 pm

No.. you’re wrong. Wilson was parked.

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Squishy123 November 25, 2014 at 10:54 pm

Oh well, it all turned out okay in the end. Should have still paid for the cigars.

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euwe max November 25, 2014 at 11:30 pm

I always try to remember to pay when I shop. It’s just good manners.

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Squishy123 November 26, 2014 at 9:08 am

So sometimes you don’t?

euwe max November 26, 2014 at 9:15 am

I have, in the past, actually found things underneath my shopping cart that I neglected to pay for… I guess I could comfort myself with the number of times I was overcharged, but these days, I’d take it back in and pay for it.

Have patience, man – I’m still growing up.

Squishy123 November 26, 2014 at 3:52 pm

Pants up, don’t loot!

Did you see the drawing of Brown and Trayvon walking arm in arm in Heaven… both of them had their pants up. Guess God won’t let you in Heaven with your pants around your knees. Like either one of these thugs would ever make it into Heaven.

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BwJ25WfIUAAE1P2.jpg:medium

euwe max November 26, 2014 at 5:08 pm

Big Mike was wearing some baggy shorts, but they were up. Johnson wasn’t showing his boxers either. I never saw a pic of Trayvon with droopy jeans… not to say he didn’t wear them that way. Why would you assume they did? I didn’t get the sense that Trayvon was a banger. They both smoked herb – but who doesn’t?

Have you ever been high?… with your pants up?

Oh.. and you really want to talk about who gets into heaven, and who doesn’t? You figure you’ve got the inside track on your own blue heaven?

SCBlues November 27, 2014 at 10:11 am

“Have you ever been high?… with your pants up?”
LOL Way, way too funny. euwe maw you are so underappreciated on this forum!

CorruptionInColumbia November 26, 2014 at 5:44 pm

Wherever they are, they’re probably stealing someone else’s shit.

SCBlues November 26, 2014 at 6:33 pm

“Wherever they are, they’re probably stealing someone else’s shit.”
So Trayvon stole those skittles that got him killed?

CorruptionInColumbia November 26, 2014 at 7:24 pm

I don’t understand why anyone is still talking about “tea and Skittles”. It must be some type of object to look upon to make ignoring the cloud of dookie that surrounded Trayvon and apparently had for some time, easier to ignore.

Please check out this account of his being caught with a burglary tool and stolen items taken from a home near the school. Yeah, I guess you “could” argue that it doesn’t prove he stole anything but this is one of those things he should have known they were not the property of the person who he claimed he was holding them for. The guy was a career criminal in training.

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2013/05/01/m-dspd-cover-up-the-curious-case-of-trayvon-martins-backpack-with-stolen-jewelry-and-burglary-tool/

SCBlues November 27, 2014 at 10:09 am

“The guy was a career criminal in training.”
What crime was he committing the night he was racial profiled by a NUTCASE and murdered?
The reason anyone is still talking about tea and skittles is that was all that he was “armed” with when he was murdered.
Stick to the facts the night he was murdered. What burglary tools was he carrying that night?
When a black kid – and that is exactly what he was – a kid – cannot walk to the store and purchase a drink and candy and then walk home wearing a hoodie up on his head as it was drizzling outside – without being murdered – something is terribly wrong. The NUTCASE that murdered him would have never even given him a second look it he had white skin.
Please stick to the facts on the night he was murdered. That is what tea and skittles have to do with it.
Oh – almost forgot, CIC – Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours – I know we don’t always agree but you are still one of my very favorite folks on this forum.

CorruptionInColumbia November 28, 2014 at 9:42 pm

Hi Blues! If the guy had a bent towards committing larcenous acts, chances are that his body language may have been quite telling of his intent or possibly future intent (aka “casing”). As I have noted on here before, watching the store cams in a large store (any store with a good camera and monitor system), you can spot the ones who come in with intent to steal the minute the walk in the door. This is regardless of their race or sex. There are certain body language and other non-verbal cues and it makes locking onto them like a laser really rather easy. It doesn’t take long to pick up this ability, either.

What difference does it make that he was Black? Are you saying that Black “kids” never steal, commit auto-breakings, or burglaries? True, if this had been a white thug-in-training, not nearly as much would have been made of this. Had he made his way home and alerted his dad instead of doubling back and getting physical with Zimmerman, he’d be alive today but noooo, he was gonna be a tough guy and beat Zimmerman’s ass. The rest, as they say, is history.

I was away from the computer during Thanksgiving SC Blues but I hope you had a great one with your family! Yes, we may frequently disagree but you are A-1 in my book! Take care!

Tazmaniac December 16, 2014 at 10:05 am

CiC,
You OK Bud? Haven’t seen any posting and I’m starting to worry about you.

True Story November 26, 2014 at 10:37 am

When I was a poor kid(around 10), I was once guilty of stealing baseball cards from a local pharmacy.

I was caught by an elderly women, who was a cash clerk. I handed over the stolen cards and the shame I felt walking home after she told me I was never allowed back into the store is something I don’t share with anyone I know personally to do this day….33 years later.

She didn’t call the cops or shoot me thankfully.

Squishy123 November 26, 2014 at 3:51 pm

The difference is you felt shame, not entitlement. There’s also a big difference in mentality between a 10 year old and an 18 year old.

SCBlues November 26, 2014 at 6:32 pm

“She didn’t call the cops or shoot me thankfully.”
Must have been a white elderly woman. A black elderly woman would have slapped you senseless.

xx November 25, 2014 at 6:57 pm

@FITS – this was not an “unjustified shooting”. Why the hell do cops carry guns? To defend themselves and to protect innocent people.

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Guest November 25, 2014 at 7:21 pm

Amen

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euwe max November 25, 2014 at 10:40 pm

fucking a! … and if you know what’s good for you, you’ll carry more firepower than the local cops – just in case, you know… the more guns, the more peace and all that.

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Uh huh November 25, 2014 at 10:57 pm

Seems like cops use guns “defending themselves” a hell of lot more than protecting innocent people.

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CorruptionInColumbia November 26, 2014 at 2:55 pm

As long as it is legit, it is all good. Cases like the guy shot following the seat belt violation stop on Broad River Rd are not legit or good.

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Guest November 25, 2014 at 7:07 pm

If Michael Brown was white nobody would care if he was dead under the same circumstances

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ding ding ding winner! November 25, 2014 at 8:52 pm

This is one of the keys to the whole thing.

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seriously November 25, 2014 at 8:53 pm

Unarmed white people and even little kids get shot by the cops all the time, move on nothing to see here on those cases.

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euwe max November 25, 2014 at 10:38 pm

unarmed white people
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oh.. yeah.. the white guys.. the ones that have that fucked up history of being outside the circles of power, without representation in a country founded upon representation.

Poor fucking white guys.

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fishy robert November 25, 2014 at 11:43 pm

Good point, trailer park trash meth head white guys living hand to mouth have all the perks because of their lineage to the Anglos, and even so it absolutely makes it okay to shoot some one if they did. So if Michael Browns dad was a doctor or US senator his shooting would be a thing to cheer? Fuck euwe max, you must be very emotionally involves in this one because this is much lower than your usual form – whether I disagree with you or not…

euwe max November 25, 2014 at 11:50 pm

trailer park trash meth head white guys
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denied education, the vote, killed for escaping servitude, great-grandfathers forced into slavery.

mmmkay. November 25, 2014 at 11:54 pm

Thrss super low lower class uneducated fools with out a penny to their name sitting on a park bench gunned down by a psycho cop with a machine gun. Ones pure white bread Irish fresh off the boat, the next 1 quarter black, the third 3/4 black. Each is tragic but it goes up and can definitely ranked by their heritage? Foolish.

got it. November 26, 2014 at 12:05 am

First death, category 0 out of ten, on the tragedy scale, death number 2, a mere 2.5 on the death tragedy scale, death three a full 7.5 on the death tragedy and importance scale. Am I feelin’ ya now?

euwe max November 26, 2014 at 12:15 am

I know – racism doesn’t have any logic backing it at all. If you didn’t know anything about history, and someone told you that people hated other people for no other reason than the color of their skin, you wouldn’t believe it.. if you met one, you’d think they were joking… when you realized it was reality, you’d still never understand it.

Yuck! November 26, 2014 at 8:43 am

It’s amazing how many people focus on animosity itself with no consideration as to “why” it exists.

Not only does it help explain things, considering “why” would presumably lead one to a solution.

Alas, I’m no Obama lover…but I don’t love any pol…but I’ll be damned if he wasn’t mostly(but not all) right last night in talking about why blacks are rioting. It was his “Carter moment”, where he was right, like Carter was when he told everyone to turn down their thermostats when oil was sky high, but everyone wasn’t about to listen to a man with so many public failures under his belt. The national response was “fuck you”, not, “you’re right, but fuck you”.

People can’t separate the message from the messenger most of the time.

The next winning President could be the guy that tells us, “Not only do the Islamic fundamentalists hate us for our freedom, so does the African American.”

euwe max November 26, 2014 at 9:02 am

The national response was “fuck you”, not, “you’re right, but fuck you”.

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I know, right? And even today his personal responsibility thermostat is used to characterize him as a pussy… a weak leader. Stalin would have been able to turn those damn things down. I’m sure they’d walk by *his* statue with eyes lowered, if they thought *he* was watching! Hypocrites.

The next winning President could be the guy that tells us, “Not only do the Islamic fundamentalists hate us for our freedom, so does the African American.”

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If he’s a Republican, he would never stoop to hyphenating ethnicity… he’ll probably be from a Southern state and introduce “Negro” back into common parlance, and like “Democrat Party” replace “black” with “nigger” not far thereafter, (taking back the language, and returning to our “roots”) demonizing them as seditionists and Muslim sympathizers, just like they are doing with Obama.

White power junkies have to do *something*… they’re almost outnumbered!

Billy November 26, 2014 at 7:40 am

You are one sick twisted, Un-American mother fucker!

euwe max November 26, 2014 at 8:39 am

I’ll take that as a compliment.. in the tea party sense.

Jackie Chiles November 26, 2014 at 9:05 am

Things that happened to my Great-Grandfather totally screwed me today. He was probably going to buy a plot of land or run for president but those rich bastards back in the day prevented him from doing so.

euwe max November 26, 2014 at 9:24 am

I know… Jews today take such liberties by referring to their Great-Grandfathers.

Jackie Chiles November 26, 2014 at 9:43 am

I know right. The Holocaust and Slavery occurred at the same time in history.

euwe max November 26, 2014 at 9:48 am

Is there some kind of statute of limitations on these things? How long do you get before you no longer have a chance to get your land back ? Isn’t that called “restitution,” or something? Is it in the bible somewhere… maybe a regional thing… or is that a forever kind of thing, derived from Physics?

Jackie Chiles November 26, 2014 at 10:00 am

The Greeks still have a claim to Turkey since the Turk Muslims conquered Constantinople and murdered all the Christians inside. I say we demand Turkey compensate any Greeks that claim they had family living the Byzantine Empire- plus interest for this wrong.

euwe max November 26, 2014 at 10:04 am

Sounds vaguely British.

Everyone has a bit of evil November 26, 2014 at 10:05 am

and French too…and Portuguese…and…and…pick your empire. lol

euwe max November 26, 2014 at 10:06 am

I mean the give them their land back part.

STFU November 26, 2014 at 9:08 am

Hey, it’s fucking 2014, can you please stop bellyaching about old news?

euwe max November 26, 2014 at 9:12 am

I know… I get tired of hearing about Stalin, Hitler, the Inquisition, the Holocaust, Pol Pot… on and ON! .. isn’t it about time we had some NEW wackos so we can stop listening to the incessant whining about a few million dead peasants!

truthmonger November 26, 2014 at 6:09 am

You can always move if you are unhappy.

Squishy123 November 26, 2014 at 9:04 am

If he wasn’t bitching, he wouldn’t be happy. Why would he move, he’s happier here than he’s ever been.

squishylovespenis November 26, 2014 at 10:39 am

kinda like you. you ready for that 6th straight beatdown coming saturday?

Squishy123 November 26, 2014 at 3:46 pm

Sure, it’s the only thing the Dirtpeckers have left to salvage their season.

Rebuttal November 26, 2014 at 9:55 am

Maybe he wants to “fix” things instead of move away, probably impossible…but I’m a sucker for lost causes myself.

It gives me “hoap” in Chiles vernacular.

Jackie Chiles November 26, 2014 at 9:06 am

Yeah, we should probably indict an entire race for stuff they didn’t do. That’s why I’m still enraged at the English for pwning my Irish ancestors.

euwe max November 26, 2014 at 9:23 am

I know… it’s like we’re blaming Muslims for stuff they didn’t even do.,

Jackie Chiles November 26, 2014 at 9:41 am

Exactly. It’s almost like we’re blaming muslims for killing Christians in the Middle East, removing women’s rights in nearly every country where there is a majority muslim population, for attacking Buddhists in India, for blowing up Western targets because Western culture is evil, for kidnapping Christian girls in Nigeria and selling them into slavery, for enforcing de facto slavery in Saudi Arabia, for supporting the hatred of Jews and denying the holocaust, for attacking Russian school children, and for kidnapping and beheading any western journalist that happens to wander into an area not controlled by a government. Muslims aren’t doing that stuff in 2014.

Whites, on the other hand, enslaved blacks in 1600-1867. Sure, hundreds of thousands of them died ending slavery, but who’s counting the good stuff whites did when they probably killed a bunch of Indians in the 1700s too?

Everyone has a bit of evil November 26, 2014 at 9:48 am

“It’s almost like we’re blaming muslims for killing Christians in the Middle East”

Crusades!

Jackie Chiles November 26, 2014 at 9:58 am

Yeah, I mean it’s like people are more worried about the people killing other people at present and not so much about what was done in the 1200s. Fools.

Everyone has a bit of evil November 26, 2014 at 9:59 am

You miss the point…but I should have figured.

Jackie Chiles November 26, 2014 at 10:01 am

You seem to have missed the point friend. I was agreeing with you, while sarcastically pwning euwe max.

CorruptionInColumbia November 26, 2014 at 2:42 pm

Ah, Black Irish, eh?

Sorry, I couldn’t help myself.

:-)

Jackie Chiles November 26, 2014 at 9:17 am

White people suck. They just founded a country that allowed the people to participate in government, fought to free the slaves, invent modern banking, travel, the majority of modern technology and medicine, and white majority countries are the wealthiest and most stable nations in the world. Hard to believe people actually like whites with all these strikes against them.

euwe max November 26, 2014 at 9:26 am

White people suck.

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Amen, br’er CHILES!

idcydm November 26, 2014 at 9:33 am

Just one question, have you had enough time to put a smile on your face? You been pretty busy.

euwe max November 26, 2014 at 9:44 am

No shit. How did you know? I’ve been busier than a centipede in a… oh, you’ve heard that one.. .I’m writing software for an embedded system, my wife has bronchitis… sounds like the older Lucille Ball… even getting behind on my honey dews.. I write these missives during compiles, or while vehicle records are being written to flash, to test the usb backup… keeps the eye glaze down.

But don’t worry about me – I’m always smiling!

SCBlues November 26, 2014 at 8:20 am

“If Michael Brown was white nobody would care if he was dead under the same circumstances”
If he was white he would not be dead.

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Squishy123 November 26, 2014 at 9:06 am

Because he likely wouldn’t have committed strong armed robbery or been smart enough to get out of the street when instructed to by a police officer. You can only do so much with feral animals. Many of the times the only solution is to dispatch them.

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SCBlues November 26, 2014 at 12:30 pm

“Because he likely wouldn’t have committed strong armed robbery . . .”
Exactly! White people NEVER commit strong arm robbery! LOL

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Squishy123 November 26, 2014 at 3:49 pm

Chances are less than a black man doing it… you know you can’t trust a black man in your store because he’s going to steal from you.

SCBlues November 26, 2014 at 6:30 pm

“Chances are less than a black man doing it. . .”
LOL You’re such a reliable dumbfuck, Squishy – I love you – Happy Thanksgiving.

Jackie Chiles November 26, 2014 at 9:08 am

It’s a proven fact that when a white dood attacks a cop, the cop will refuse to defend himself and allow himself to be savagely beaten out of white loyalty.

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The More You Know November 26, 2014 at 9:10 am

Yes, white privilege allows white people to assault law enforcement without any circumstances, it’s actually a law in 57 or 58 states.

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Jackie Chiles November 26, 2014 at 9:13 am

I once saw a white dood walk into a store, grab the clerk by the shirt, steal some cigars, walk out of the store with his buddy down the middle of the street, tell a cop responding to the robbery report to fuck off, block the cop from exiting the vehicle, and rush the cop, leave the scene with only a verbal warning from the officer. True story.

Paul Harvey November 26, 2014 at 9:50 am

Pat Buchanan was pulled over when he was a young man in college, ostensibly for drunk driving, got into a fight with a police officer and punched him.

His punishment was a trip to jail and being kicked out of college for a year. True story.

Would that happen today regardless of color? Nope. Ole Pat would have been shot dead.

Jackie Chiles November 26, 2014 at 9:53 am

Truth. 100% of black drunk drivers are summarily murdered by the white police. Fact.

The More You Know November 26, 2014 at 10:00 am

Or their charges are dropped, just ask Bakari.

The More You Know November 26, 2014 at 10:00 am

Then again, he’s barely black.

Jackie Chiles November 26, 2014 at 10:02 am

Sellers was pulled over by a cop who was a member of a police force that accurately reflected the composition of the community. That cop, knowing his police force was exactly 12.543% black, knew he could no longer exercise his normal routine of executing black drunk drivers.

Paul Harvey November 26, 2014 at 10:06 am

I just drop debate with you when you resort to hyperbole.

Jackie Chiles November 26, 2014 at 10:11 am

You were debating me?

Paul Harvey November 26, 2014 at 10:21 am

Nope.

Guest November 25, 2014 at 7:11 pm

Michael Brown was not an innocent “gentle giant” his family portrays him as. He was a THUG and a BULLT

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euwe max November 25, 2014 at 10:36 pm

I’ll bet your family would be honest about you in the news, and not pretend you were gentle.

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Jackie Chiles November 25, 2014 at 8:22 pm

These protestors didn’t want justice, they wanted Darren Wilson lynched.

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euwe max November 25, 2014 at 10:36 pm

you see something I don’t? … like a difference?

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Badge of Honor November 25, 2014 at 8:25 pm

We will never know how many lives Officer Wilson saved by taking the actions that he did last summer.

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euwe max November 25, 2014 at 10:35 pm

We’ll only know how many he didn’t.

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shooter__let er fly November 25, 2014 at 11:02 pm

What a shame ,Holder and Obama ,are apparently giving the Dem governor of MO, the legal authority to burn Ferguson down to the ground.

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Squishy123 November 26, 2014 at 9:12 am

From what I’m seeing, it’s not that big of a loss.

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Happy Thanksgiving November 26, 2014 at 7:37 am

thankfully he took care of a fucking thug who had a life of crime ahead of him. Rob a convenience store and karma is a bitch, boy.

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euwe max November 26, 2014 at 8:55 am

boy?

well, anyway… death penalty for strong arm robbery of less than 50 dollars…. If that’s the America you want to live in, you missed it by 522 years…. even the Salem of fabled witch trials, in 1692, wasn’t that draconian.

The Spanish Inquisition might have killed Jews for not admitting Christ is the Messiah, but not even they doled out that penalty for petty larceny. As much as people demonize the Shia “Fascist Islamists,” theft only costs you a hand if you’re an adult, and you steal more than a 1/4 of an ounce of gold… and only 4 fingers at that… and talk about lopsided – if someone cuts your hand off, he owes you 500 ounces of gold… well, that’s neither here nor there, but it does give us some idea of the mental stability you possess in relation to the rest of the wackos in the world.

I suspect you’re a Republican, or a tea bagger.. and if you guys get into control, you’ll probably want to enact some of that kind of thing… maybe your intolerance will catch up to you, and you’ll get the death penalty for writing the word “fucking” on a public forum.

I can always dream.

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Squishy123 November 26, 2014 at 9:11 am

You forgot about the part where Brown physically attacked a police officer. The black man wasn’t killed for stealing cigars, he was killed for attacking a police officer. Had Wilson been black he would have done the same thing, then all of this wouldn’t have even made the local news.

euwe max November 26, 2014 at 9:19 am

I didn’t forget – I was just responding to his karma thing.. that being shot to death for robbing a convenience store is some kind of cosmic justice.

Soft Sigh from Hell November 25, 2014 at 8:35 pm

The obvious solution in Ferguson is the black majority registering and voting and taking over. Toss the white politicians, police chief, and the racist element among the white cops, and if possible remove the prosecutor. I can’t imagine that some ambitious would-be-pol brothers or sisters or preachers aren’t thinking along these lines now. White businessmen would be lamenting the lack of indictment then.

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lulz November 25, 2014 at 10:32 pm

It’s amazing to see people suggest the answer to corruption is “democracy” over and over again….

Do you ever feel like Charlie Brown?

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euwe max November 26, 2014 at 12:19 am

He’s just rubbing his hands at the prospect of the Ferguson power trippers retiring early with no job skills… has nothing to do with Pollyanna thinking… just good old fashioned “motherfuckers must pay!”

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The Sympathetic Ear November 26, 2014 at 8:35 am

“The man knew only violence, with which he terrorized. If his violence was neutralized he was rendered nearly helpless. Don Juan knew that the man would not dare to kill him in view of the house, so one day, in the presence of the other workers he called him a coward, who was mortally afraid of the boss’s wife. Then, he ran for the stables.

“I jumped inside the stall of the wildest stallion,” don Juan said, “and the petty tyrant, blinded by rage, took out his knife and jumped in after me. I went instantly behind my planks. The horse kicked him once and it was all over.”

Now that is something to think about, for sure.

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lulz November 26, 2014 at 8:52 am

“Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss.”- The Who (Won’t be fooled again)

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euwe max November 26, 2014 at 9:07 am

There’s an old saying in Tennessee – I know it’s in Texas, probably in Tennessee – that says, fool me once, shame on – shame on you. Fool me – can’t get fooled again.

euwe max November 25, 2014 at 10:34 pm

The whole state is squirming like a can of worms by now – GOOD PAYING JOB OPPORTUNITIES FOR BLACK POLITICIANS… That dead kid is the best advertisement for representative leaders Ferguson could have asked for… and the end of a shit load of white careers.

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9" November 25, 2014 at 9:36 pm

This shouldn’t be the earth-shattering news it became.A guy got shot,and the media chose to make it a circus.No cameras.No one would be marching.
Marshall McLuhan had it right,almost 50 years ago:The Medium Is The Message.

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euwe max November 25, 2014 at 10:30 pm

Big Mike was right about one thing – Wilson is a pussy.

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shooter__let er fly November 25, 2014 at 10:56 pm

The ‘pussy’ is still alive. Thank you, Jesus. The ‘gentle giant’ is roadkill.

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euwe max November 25, 2014 at 11:29 pm

Natural selection.

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Squishy123 November 25, 2014 at 10:58 pm

Did anyone ever flip him over while he was frying on the pavement? 4-1/2 hours, he was probably well done on the one side. Oh well, my Give-A-Fuck meter never registered the whole time.

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Lacking job performance November 25, 2014 at 11:11 pm

I’m not going to say “Big Mike” was some honorable kid who would have ended up “doing good” in life.

Now that being said, some kids like him just need a few good ass kickings to become better people and clearly Wilson wasn’t the guy to do it. Stepfather probably didn’t do it either and obviously the Dad is no where to be seen.

So Big Mike probably needed an ass kicking, more so than a killing IMO. If he did really go for the cops gun then he made a dumb decision and paid for it and I won’t fault the cop.

I’m not gonna say either way that’s the case, because I wasn’t there and there’s too much testimony going both ways to know if the cop lied or not…but in one regard you are right…if Wilson(who is also 6’4″) was more of a man he should have been able to handle that man child without the gun. (didn’t he have mace or a taser? If not, why not?)

I don’t go 6’4″ but when I go “man” in attitude to a boy/young man the game is over before it started even if they are twice my size.

Wilson’s a failure of a peace officer and if the man child got the best of him he’ll have to live with that deep down forever if his story is true.

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euwe max November 25, 2014 at 11:31 pm

I wasn’t there, but the culture at that police department stinks. Everything I see says “Illinois Nazis”

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Squishy123 November 26, 2014 at 9:15 am

From what I saw of the riots, the citizens there say, “Somali warriors”. It’s too bad the police didn’t call in the Little Birds for some strafing runs.

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euwe max November 26, 2014 at 9:25 am

I think the whole problem was not enough guns.. if Big Mike and Johnson had been packing heat, none of this would have had to happen.

shooter__let er fly November 25, 2014 at 11:42 pm

Some good points. Wilson is not a small man. Wondered about that, until I read the grand jury testimony.
At first it kinda reminded me of what the failure of a mother might feel, aborting her own child and having to deal with the fact she killed her own child.

Then I realized that a ‘peace officer’ like Wilson is just having to clean up the mess that the race pimps like Jackson and Sharpton have created in the perpetual cycle of generational poverty, deprivation and welfare.

Carry on Mr.Wilson. America stands with you.

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lulz November 25, 2014 at 11:44 pm

” America stands with you.”

So when you say “America”, do you mean 51%?

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shooter__let er fly November 25, 2014 at 11:51 pm

After last night in Ferguson ? 80% . Book it.

lulz November 25, 2014 at 11:52 pm

Nope.

Lacking job performance November 26, 2014 at 8:35 am

“Then I realized that a ‘peace officer’ ”

Why would you put peace officer in quotes?

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Mike Britt November 25, 2014 at 11:23 pm

Just get out of the way and let them burn the whole damn place down.

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Order in Da Court November 26, 2014 at 12:15 am

Is Benjamin Crump an actual attorney or is he just playing one on tv?

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justme November 26, 2014 at 7:21 am

Did we expect anything else from these people. No matter what the decision they were going to act this way. Slavery ended 150 years ago and I heard some man on the news blame the way they are acting on slavery. Really you were a slave?

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The Sympathetic Ear November 26, 2014 at 7:50 am

“The law of the jungle” is an expression that means “every man for
himself,” “anything goes,” “survival of the strongest,” “survival of the
fittest,” “kill or be killed,” “dog eat dog” and “eat or be eaten,”. Also, “the code of survival in jungle life, now usually with reference to the superiority of brute force or self-interest in the struggle for survival.”
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THE LAW FOR THE WOLVES (Rudyard Kipling)

“NOW this is the law of the jungle, as old and as true as the sky,
And the wolf that shall keep it may prosper, but the wolf that shall break it must die.

As the creeper that girdles the tree trunk, the law runneth forward and back;
For the strength of the pack is the wolf, and the strength of the wolf is the pack.

Wash daily from nose tip to tail tip; drink deeply, but never too deep;
And remember the night is for hunting and forget not the day is for sleep.

The jackal may follow the tiger, but, cub, when thy whiskers are grown,
Remember the wolf is a hunter—go forth and get food of thy own.

Keep peace with the lords of the jungle, the tiger, the panther, the bear;
And trouble not Hathi the Silent, and mock not the boar in his lair.

When pack meets with pack in the jungle, and neither will go from the trail, Lie down till the leaders have spoken; it may be fair words shall prevail.

When ye fight with a wolf of the pack ye must fight him alone and afar,
Lest others take part in the quarrel and the pack is diminished by war.

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TyroneMamaCollards November 26, 2014 at 8:47 am

Michael Brown was just a cheap thug and a dumbass. I could care less about people like him. He lost his life over a pack of cigars and a poor attitude.

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The Sympathetic Ear November 26, 2014 at 9:09 am

The citizenry, those good and true, must now be considering unpacking their Pickelhauben.

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Jesus don't like killing November 26, 2014 at 10:30 am

Here are the photos taken after he fired his gun 12 times at an unarmed man. I don’t see any swelling or bruising. His cheeks are pink, but I suspect that’s from lying. Does this look like a man who was beaten nearly to death? “If he hit me one more time he would’ve killed me.” Bullshit. This is a cover up plain and simple

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/michael-brown-shooting/photos-show-officer-darren-wilson-after-michael-brown-shooting-n255486

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BS November 26, 2014 at 12:35 pm

are u stupid?

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Jesus November 26, 2014 at 12:56 pm

I’m not stupid. Or blind

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Captain Obvious November 26, 2014 at 1:02 pm

Thank you for your unfettered investigative work on this case Detective Dipshit.

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erneba November 26, 2014 at 11:31 am

“the process should be indicted”
For what reason? Mr Crump knew full well what the Grand Jury system was, he has been a lawyer for years. Because one decision rendered by the system does not agree with your emotional state of mind does not mean that the system should be abandoned or reformed. He has every right to disagree with the ruling, he does not have the right to ignore it.
These people, like Crump and other activist wanted a “showboat” case to take to trial, so they could get nationwide attention for their cause. Tastes like sour grapes to me.

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Tally Ho November 26, 2014 at 12:40 pm

Why aren’t the professional race agitators leading rallies for the innocent victims of black on black crime committed by thugs and gang bangers daily throughout the United States?

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CorruptionInColumbia November 26, 2014 at 3:14 pm

It is but one more bit of weirdness in the “logic” of the race baiters. Black kills another black citizen who was minding his or her own business and it is seemingly no big deal, based on the “outrage from the community” or lack thereof.

Let a cop of any other race harm a hair on the head of some POS who is asking for it with all their being and who happens to also be Black, and all hell breaks loose.

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James Fleming Jr November 26, 2014 at 12:44 pm

Mr. Crump,
Look in the mirror and you will see it is not the process but folks like you that teach these young folks they can get away with strong arming their way through society. It is also the fault of the Federal Government and those that teach people they are victims and society owes them. The News Media also has their share in this process.You cant face the truth and own up to your own responsibility in the failings! You are like the rest of the Blood Suckers!

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xx November 26, 2014 at 8:13 pm

@FITS – you’re quoting Al Sharpton – REALLY?

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Tyrone's Funeral Home and Rims November 28, 2014 at 10:08 am

Police report that at 12:30pm a young student’s life ended
during a shooting at the 10700 block of the West Florissant Avenue in Ferguson,
MO.

Unidentified witnesses reported that a scuffle broke out police
when a youth robbed a local QuickTrip (QT) and refused to obey the lawful
orders of a police officer to get out of the street. The youth then attempted
to assault the officer Shots later rang out as the confrontation moved in and out
of the officer’s patrol vehicle where young assailant Michael Brown(Big Mike)
lost his life.

“He was like a brother to me” stated DeShawn Tyrone
Brown (OldKeezy) , who was Michael ‘s oldest son out of eight children.
“He was a couple of grades behind me, but I would see him on the
playground at my school selling drugs almost every day – and if I didn’t do my
homework, he would threaten the teacher with a knife. He taught me a lot about
life. Starting when I was about 5 or 6 he used to come into my room at night,
reach into my underwear and fondle my junk. He said to me, “Son, this is
gonna happen to you a lot when you go to prison – so get used to it”. I
never forgot that.

The principal of McCluer High reports that Michael, known as
Big Mike to his classmates, enjoyed sucker-punching smaller kids at the bus
stop, and always had a quick smile while he took other student’s lunch money in
the bathroom. He further added that Michael was voted “Most Likely to be
Convicted of a Felony” and also “Most Likely to be Tried as an
Adult” by his 6th Grade Class. He was quite popular with the older kids in
school because he was over the age of 19 and he could buy liquor for them in
exchange for stolen TV’s or sexual favors”.

His basketball coach fondly remembers that Michael was
“usually drunk or high” during practice and would often threaten to
shoot the referee or opposing team’s coach if his team was losing. “He was
always ready to pull out his gun and start blasting if he didn’t like the Ref’s
call” Coach Powell said.

Paramedics who reached the scene several hours after the
shooting was reported indicated that they saw a youth laying on the ground.
“I saw that he was shot in the head” said one Paramedic. “So I
thought, no big deal. These youths can usually take a Bazooka round to the
noggin and still get up and rob a liquor store no problem. But then I saw that
a bullet might have grazed him near the groin area and I knew he was a
goner….” After remaining on the sidewalk for several hours, Michael was
declared goodified. “We had to poke him with a stick a few times to make
sure he was really dead. The Paramedic continued, “I was getting worried –
I mean, we sure as hell didn’t want to administer CPR. Who knows what kind of
diseases he could have had?”

Michael’s mother was convinced that Michael s death was a
police conspiracy. “He wuz a good boy. He was turning his life around and
was about to release a Rap CD, he was goin to school – who woulda done him like
this?” Blubbering and wailing, his mother demanded to know “Who was
going to pay fo’ all of dis?” and asked for some money to buy cigarettes
and booze. “Oh Lawzy, I’m gonna get muh GROOVE on tonight!” she
exclaimed.

Funeral arrangements are unclear at this point, but the
family has requested donations of “40’s, blunts, and KFC” in lieu of
cards or flowers. “Dat muffugah dead – what in tha’ hell he gonna do wit’
flowers?” an unidentified relative was quoted as saying.

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