NO WONDER CHARGES ARE BEING PRESSED …
By FITSNews || Earlier this week FITS was the first news outlet in the state to report that former S.C. Highway Patrol trooper Sean M. Groubert was facing criminal charges stemming from a September 4 traffic stop in which he shot an unarmed black man.
Groubert shot 35-year-old Levar Edward Jones – manager of a local Subway restaurant – after apprehending him three weeks ago on a seat belt violation.
That’s right … South Carolina law enforcement officials can detain you, fine you and – in this case – shoot you for simply choosing not to wear your seat belt.
Amazing …
Anyway, we were also the first outlet in the state to provide details on what happened at the scene of this shooting … and discuss the initial reluctance by prosecutors to press charges against Groubert.
Prosecutors aren’t reluctant anymore, though. Not after the S.C. Department of Public Safety (SCDPS) released a dash-cam video from the shooting that clearly shows a trigger-happy Groubert shooting Jones without justification or provocation.
Here’s the clip …
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Yeah … and that’s what a local solicitor initially termed a “clean” incident? Please …
We said four years ago that primary seat belt enforcement was nothing but “an excuse for the cops to pull you over.”
Well they’re doing more than just pulling people over now …
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Groubert is facing charges for assault and battery – I question why it isn’t attempted murder. When you shoot a firearm in someone’s direction, I’d venture to guess that killing them was the intention.
Maybe cause he can’t shoot for shit?
In that case, there should be multiple charges – one for each innocent bystander at the Circle K this moron put in the crossfire due to his horrible marksmanship and stupidity.
No argument – he’ll walk, two years ago he was “Trooper Of The Year”. Mr. Jones was “grazed” and no one else was hurt. Groubert was involved in a gun fight a few years ago were he was shot at first, PTSD will enter into the case at some point.
And we made HuffPo:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/25/sean-groubert-fired-arrested_n_5879694.html
True. PTSD might be a consideration in the sentencing phase but it shouldn’t be considered in the original trial. If he wasn’t capable of doing his job properly he shouldn’t have been doing it at all. Too many lives at stake. This cop has been involved in two shootings in a relatively short career. RED FLAG. I have several retired LEO friends and none of them ever had to pull their gun in the line of duty. Maybe an earlier time but still. Like you said: He can’t shoot for shit. Mr. Jones is lucky but still a message needs to be sent. Like I said earlier ; he needs a good lawyer.
He was shot at the first time. I know several police officers who’ve been in multiple gun battles in their careers – all depends on the beat.
“This looks to me like the classic “trigger happy pig”
I seriously doubt you have any friends in law enforcement with your ignorant beliefs.
Not ignorant . He is a trigger happy pig, I’ll bet they had a biG party later that night celebrating another shooting.
Must be cops in a small 2 horse town where the most exciting thing that happens are dogs chasing cats.
I think you are pretty close on this one Colonel, however, I am not sure that he will walk. Law Enforcement personnel are often reluctant to roll the dice with a jury and risk serious jail time on close calls such as this. Coupled with the solicitor not wanting to risk a hung jury or not guilty verdict because of the PTSD issue I think this case stands a good chance for a plea bargain with minimal time and/or probation.
I go with plea bargain and probation. PTSD in the equation would be a stigma on him and I don’t think it applies here. After the shooting he acted very professionally and calmly towards Jones.
Or he acted like what he did was no big deal. “Hey, I shot you. So what? Lay there and shut up before I shoot you again.”
The friggin’ guy on the ground bleeding said sorry multiple times even while he was asking why he’d been shot. The policeman showed zero remorse.
LOL. Now I’m the one showing remorse for my post. He did act professionally after the shooting. Jones acted in a reasonable way too. Unfortunately it all came after Groubert shot first.
You have my respect, not for agreeing with me, but rethinking the situation. Both of them avoided cursing, yelling, hysteria. Groubert, while still in the immediate mode of having to ensure restraint of Jones and to control the situation, was then reporting the incident and requesting medical aid. This is what they are trained to do. Curiously, to me, Jones was pretty damn calm about the entire situation.
Another thing I noticed in the video is that Jones (and me too) did not understand what Groubert first said. I see the momentary hesitation of Jones and then his quick move to get his wallet. Bad karma all around.
It was a hyper quick move and spin around, indeed. I thought he was reaching for a weapon at first. But I was wrong.
“I thought he was reaching for a weapon at first.”
That’s because you are dumbass and probably racist.
SLED will find you.
and then what?
why would they even look?
Apparently they have time to stop people in parking lots for not wearing their seat belts so why not…
Google “routine traffic stop ends in gunfire”. This has nothing to do with race and everything to do with one officer’s reaction in a specific circumstance.
You have to watch closely but Jones did put his hand to his right rear pocket, and then realized his wallet was in his car. All of his actions were very, very quickly done.
my sentiments exactly.
Police 101 – even after the suspect is down, cuff em and stuff em.
When a Soldier clears an objective, every body wounded enemy is checked and secured for exactly the same reason. A cuffed suspect/enemy can’t do you (much) harm a loose one, even a wounded loose one can cause all kinds of havoc.
Obviously and foolishly, you are not familiar with the statutes and their wording.
Amazing that here in Racist South Carolina we can act like civilized human beings when a white state trooper shoots and innocent unarmed black man. Even more amazing is that we can allow the legal system to function as it should. The officer will walk and Mr. Jones will collect $300,000
Pro Tip – when pulled over, stay in the car with your hands visible. When the officer asks for you license, if you have to make any moves that might be interpreted as a threat clearly explain what your doing and ask for permission to do it before “ducking back in the car like you’re going for your “9”.
+10… In this case Jones was out of his vehicle and he just automatically turned to get his wallet off the seat. I’ve also seen blacks run when confronted by cops even when they have no reason to run – for them it is an automatic response.
It is a very primitive response seen in many primates to run when threatened. Many do not have good communication skills and use phases like” Da be a motion on da floor” in the case of Berta Riley.
“Berta Riley” —– guess we will have to retire Alvin Greene as a role model for (you fill in the blank).
” I’ve also seen blacks run when confronted by cops even when they have no reason to run – for them it is an automatic response.” Go to 5 points and you will see plenty of white kids that have an “automatic response” to run from the cops. That seems a little racist to say it’s an automatic response for black people to run from cops.
From personal observation is why I posted
“for some of them it is an automatic response”.
When you are pulled over, you don’t make mistakes like Jones did. I can’t blame the cop.
Mr. Jones was already outside of his vehicle making his way into the store so your pro tip wouldn’t have helped in this situation. Unless Mr. Jones was able to telepathically produce his license which was still in his vehicle, he had to get it from his vehicle – which is what Groubert asked for in the first place.
That’s the corollary in the pro tip – “…if you have to make any moves that might be interpreted as a threat clearly explain what your doing and ask for permission to do it before “ducking back in the car like you’re going for your “9”.”
I’m not saying Jones did anything illegal, immoral or fattening just that he acted without considering what his actions might appear to be. I’m 52 years old, 6’1″, 225, taught people to kill people for a living and I can legally carry a gun when I want to – I say “yes sir” and “yes ma’am” to police officers when ever I have reason to address or be addressed by one in any circumstance where I might be perceived to be a threat.
Jones will likely collect $300,000 and “pass go” before this is all over.
Don’t forget that Todd Rutherford will pad his trust account too
If I were in a position to handle this I’d just give Jones the money, say “…we’re sorry as all get out…Groubert is an idiot…” and be done with it.
Rutherford is on the House Judiciary Committee. A conflict of interest in a lawsuit against the People of South Carolina.
Yes, very impressed with Mr. Jones for his positive attitude and response so far during this event. Kudos to him and I wish him a very speedy recovery. Hopefully he will get his wish and many on both sides can benefit from the lessons learned from this. Having been on the receiving end of bullets and shrapnel flying by my head, I can understand to some extent the trooper’s reaction after he had pulled someone over a couple of years ago and been shot at. I am sure that with hindsight being 20/20 he knows he was wrong now and gets some help in dealing with the heighten alertness (some will call fear) that comes with being in these type situations. Hopefully he won’t be crucified when people take everything into account.
“Pro Tip – when pulled over, stay in the car with your hands visible. When the officer asks for you license”
Pro tip for cops: When you ask someone to produce a license, don’t open fire on him when he reaches for a license.
True dat!
This is all hindsight. … Second guessing what the victim and the cop were intending to do or try to do.
In My Opinion (and it is worth about what you all are paying for it) is that the SC State Troopers were fully justified in firing a trigger happy cop. And the victim’s lawyers will be justified in asking for a big fat payout. And local and national mean scream media will twist and turn and spew and sputter (as here) for months.
I fear if this wasn’t captured on camera, it would’ve been treated like every other case of an unarmed man being shot by police/ neighborhood watch patrolmen.
Hard to say – looks like there were “witnesses aplenty” and Groubert has a good record.
It’s difficult to really discern whether or not Groubert was actually pulling Jones over. Looked to me like he was exiting the parking lot, noticed a black guy with no seatbelt on, then backed up and initiated a “stop” after the guy was out of his vehicle getting ready to walk into the store. One of the most amateurish examples of policing I’ve ever witnessed.
You said it yourself – it’s hard to determine what happened prior to the contact. He made have seen Mr. Jones pull into the lot without a seatbelt and decided to give him a warning.
That seems to be typical of these cops looking for violators of the seat belt law.
In this case, the victim was going about his personal business … exiting his parked car to buy (or whatever) something in the station.
Skittles and an Arizona Tea?
“Pro Tip – when pulled over, stay in the car with your hands visible.”
Clearly he was already out of his car BEFORE the cop even got to him to pull over. so if he got back in his car he would have been shot.
” When the officer asks for you license, if you have to make any moves that might be interpreted as a threat clearly explain what your doing and ask for permission to do it before “ducking back in the car like you’re going for your “9”.
”
Dumbest thing ever written. He wasn’t ducking in his car or moving quickly and simply reaching for a wallet to him wasn’t something he saw as a treat.. He was surprised that out of the blue a cop jumps out if his car and asked for a license with out even an explanation as to why. He then, as casually as I would have, went at a normal speed to get it for the officer instead of debating, ignoring, or refusing which might have also gotten him shot. He more than likely never expected the cop was really there for him since again he was already parked and out of his car before Dirty Harry even pulled up to him so figured I’ll comply to help this get done faster. Yeah it must be his fault he got shot.
Real pro-tip. Don’t try to shake down a civilian for a BS no seat belt ticket then shoot them for doing nothing more than reaching for a license upon your request when you are too F-ing stupid to see what he was doing. You just asked the man for it so clearly that was what he was getting.
Even better Pro Tip Don’t hire Jerry’s kids to be cops
Funny that my “…dumbest thing ever written…” comment seems to be about he same opinion everybody but you has.
This is simple – the trooper thought he was potentially reaching for a weapon and acted based on his training. Was he stupid? Yeah, from the comfort of your office chair on Thursday afternoon three weeks later he was “dumb as dog shit” but on Sunday the 4th he acted based on what he saw.
Mr. Jones was clearly complying with the troopers instruction – now that you know what he was doing. Is/was Mr. Jones guilty of anything? Hell no, in fact, if Mr. Groubert only saw him in the parking lot without his seatbelt on it wasn’t even a legitimate stop as the law I posted clearly shows. However, the law is the law – like it or not. I doubt Groubert pockets any of the ticket money in “the great seat belt shake down scam”.
Some day when you have to make a split second, life or death decision I hope you do better. I’ve had to make a few and fortunately gotten it right the vast majority of the time. In the mean time, Groubert has been fired and will be tried, Mr.Jones should be made whole, nobody else was hurt and South Carolinas have behaved in a dignified manner – all in all, a good day.
go re-read the comments. many more people than I have your opinion as you claim.
***don’t*** have. excuse me
If you say so,
What, you cant read? Or just don’t want to be proven wrong?
I know that there are some smart asses on the Patrol but I would
have shout his ass when he reached in that car. You don’t take chances.
Amazing that here in “racist South Carolina” we can act like civilized
human beings when a white state trooper shoots an innocent unarmed black
man.
The person shot didn’t die, shooter was actually investigated. Those two kinda make a huge difference and make it non-comparable to other high-profile shootings.
When the seat belt law was under review the ONLY reason it was enacted was because it would NEVER become a PRIMARY violation. That sure as hell changed, and not only in SC but other states as well. It is an easy money-maker for every jurisdiction.
Should there be a seat belt law, no.
Should seat belts be used, yes.
Not using seat belts is a good way to deplete the gene pool.
What I told my wife and daughters — “Why will you takefive minutes to choose a belt or accessory and you won’t take five seconds to buckle your seat belt?”
I am pretty sure it also had to do with fed. highway money. The do-gooders have used fed. money to get several un constitutional and stupid laws passed.
good observation…
Yes it’s a stupid law but it’s also proof you can’t fix stupid with laws.
Some years ago, I was listening to a special edition of “Coast To Coast AM” with several guests, talking about the surge in “suspicious” behaviors, opinions, and lifestyles, that might get one branded as a potential terrorist, among other things. They got off on a tangent and one of the guests was talking about his home state of Missouri (maybe Minnesota?) where they were confronted with passing a seat belt law or losing Federal highway funding. There were apparently some thinkers in their legislature at that time and they did the math and found that the loss of revenue if they did not comply was something like $5 (yes, five) for every man, woman, and child in the state. They decided that their freedom of choice was worth more than five bucks and (at that time, at least) voted down a seat belt law.
That darn law should be changed.
Seat belt? Does one need a seat belt when moving a car/truck around in a parking lot? It appears that the poor victim never entered a public street. … Just sayin’
Actually the law only covers “public streets and highways”:
SECTION 56-5-6520. Mandatory use of seat belt.
The driver and every occupant of a motor vehicle, when it is being operated on the public streets and highways of this State, must wear a fastened safety belt which complies with all provisions of federal law for its use. The driver is charged with the responsibility of requiring each occupant seventeen years of age or younger to wear a safety belt or be secured in a child restraint system as provided in Article 47 of this chapter. However, a driver is not responsible for an occupant seventeen years of age or younger who has a driver’s license, special restricted license, or beginner’s permit and who is not wearing a seat belt; such occupant is in violation of this article and must be fined in accordance with Section 56-5-6540.
From the video I can’t tell if Groubert saw Jones on the street before pulling in. I wear my seat belt but also will unbuckle it as soon as I pull into a parking area if I’m in a hurry.
That is what I do when in a hurry ( as soon as I am off the street, I unbuckle ).
I think the seatbelt law is unconstitutional and should be repealed. Even without a law, I will still make the choice to wear it.
This looks to me like the classic “trigger happy pig” The guy turns to get his wallet out of the car and the cop shoots four times. WOW no gun in sight, no attempt to attack the officer, nothing that should require anything but watching to make sure Jones doesn’t bring out anything more than his wallet. I would have had my gun ready but to shoot first even before anything even suspicious takes place is not only very unprofessional but down rite dangerous to everyone in the area. This cop doesn’t need to have a job where he has access to anything dangerous. Mr. Jones needs a good lawyer.
Watch the video again and consider that the officer had been shot at before.
What is the story on that?
History of Groubert: http://www.wltx.com/story/news/local/2014/09/05/officer-involved-shooting-state-trooper-update/15129573/
Story on the shoot out: http://www.wltx.com/story/local/2012/08/14/1641320/
Thanks. I don’t think the previous incident would cause any PTSD, but would cause him to be possibly over-cautious or maybe nervous when Jones reached inside as he did.
It worked for former CPD Chief Randy Scott. He had PTSD when a guy he was responsible for hiring was killed in a fatal traffic accident, and Scott wasn’t even on the scene for that one.
His PTSD was treatable with long nights at his downtown party pad.
…in the company of his good friend Lil’Stevie…
In that previous shootout, Groubert and a whole bunch of other officers were involved in a car chase. When the car finally stopped, the driver came out and started shooting.
I’d say that first situation was one where any cop would suspect he was about to be fired on. Pulling someone over for a seat belt infraction is a completely different situation. I’m sure PTSD works in all kinds of strange ways, but it’s a big stretch to say the situations were similar.
Yep – especially when Jones was parked and already outside and in daylight.
It would blow your mind to see the number of routine traffic stops that ended in gun fights – Google “routine traffic stop ends in gunfire”. More than 6,400,000 entries
Yes. There are tons of videos on Youtube where traffic stops ended up in shoot outs.
Very interesting. I had no idea it was so bad.
More people are being hurt from shootings after stopping people for not wearing a seat belt than there are for not wearing the belts. Repeal the darn law.
This is a perfect example of all police should be forced to wear a hot mic and camera at all times when on duty.
They should not be give the option of turning it off either. If someone wants to suggest that they need privacy at times, then they can have it by taking off a belt or whether the cam/mic is mounted, but NO OFF SWITCH.
I’ve also see an argument about the possibility of recording inappropriate comments, etc.
Well, most in the private sector have to be on good behavior the whole time they are on the job. It’s not unreasonable to set that bar for on duty cops. If anything, the bar should be higher given the power they wield over the rest of us.
Itb would be overkill to ask cops to wear a video/wire full time. (Cops/unions may use this to justify a raise or “hardship” pay.)
Besides, uniformed police have plenty to do without worrying about stepping on Constitutional Rights of every individual they happen to encounter.
What if the officer has to take a pee? Video/audio might be considered an invasion of the officer’s personal privacy.
Dashboard mounted cameras, audio and GPS with date & time stamps are different … On the job with municipally owned equipment.
“What if the officer has to take a pee? Video/audio might be considered an invasion of the officer’s personal privacy.”
That’s why I said put it on a belt or something similar. Something they don’t take off while on duty, but they can if they have to pinch a loaf or something. (probably their gun/mace belts for example)
“Besides, uniformed police have plenty to do without worrying about stepping on Constitutional Rights of every individual they happen to encounter.”
Well, I like them concerned with stepping on people’s rights, if you want to give them the latitude to do otherwise, well then, expect things to get worse, not better.
“… I like them concerned with stepping on people’s rights …”
And how about the various fed g’ment agencies getting armed to the max: FEMA just bought 1.6 Billion rounds of ammo … and FEMA does not subject their employees to nearly the scrutiny of any cop shop, period. And then there is the burrow of land “management”, which when armed to swatted private property owners in Nevada …
I’m sayin’ that cameras on cop cars and swat cars and just about any armed g’ment agency vehicles would be a very good thing, absolutely. But GoogleGlasses is not the answer, either … nor are camera drones over your back yard …
I’d like to know where they recovered the slugs of all those missed shots. He was spraying bullets around in a busy public place. Just crazy.
Yep – not good. Should have fired ONLY if he saw a firearm in his hands.
I wondered where they all wound up, too.
The last one shot ended up in the sheet metal just under the left rear window. You can see it impact at the 49 second mark in the video.
A couple also impacted the the inside panel of the open driver’s door. I don’t know if they were stopped by the door or if that silver compact car in the background had a bad day.
Good thing Broad River blight forced the antique mall to close, otherwise he may have hit a few other innocent people.
3 shots is not a “spray.”
What about 4, because that’s how many were fired.
I counted the shots. Did you? Pffffft!
yep, I suggest go back and count again. 2 very separate back to back initial ones, a third as he gets his hands up and a 4th as he is about to fall down. I guess you cant count (must have gone to Clemson).
He was probably in Nikki’s classes ..heh-heh…..
I guess Dr. Doom realizing he couldn’t count after all. Sucks to be a smart ass and then proven wrong not once but twice huh?
What was the first thing the officer said to the victim? Sounds like, “Essy LSS please.”
You want folks to follow your instructions, officer? Always helps to start by speaking clearly.
Here’s another thought: There’s a PA system in every cruiser. Use it. “Sir, please get back in your vehicle and get your driver’s license and registration.” Give the citizen a minute or two to get the docs together while you call in your stop and run the plates.
I have a feeling this video is going to be used for years by responsible police departments as their “This is textbook how NOT to make a stop” training.
I go along with that, especially if the stop is on a highway at night. The city cops I rode with as an observer would run the plates before getting out of the car and confronting the driver.
“responsible police departments”?
Where? Not in SC.
Suspect had an outstanding failure to pay/appear warrant – Strike 1.
Dangerous part of town – Strike 2.
Suspect made a very sudden move back in side his car with out explanation – Strike 3.
Three strikes and you’re out. Sometimes it’s painful to be stupid.
Strike 4 – The Trooper had been shot once before.
Damn. I should be dead then. I’m sure I’ve had at least that many “strikes” against me at some point in my life. In fact, I’m pretty sure everyone has. We all should just be shot, I guess.
Good rational synopsis.
Strike 4 is the officers problem, not the victims. My suggestion is that communities stop hiring war vets with PTSD to patrol the streets like they would in Iraqistan. If that’s the case NOT with this young former trooper, now perp, then PTSD should be a reason that he’s not allowed to return to anything but desk duty until a shrink says otherwise.
Strike 1 wasn’t even remotely in play here, Officer Shooting Gallery didn’t even run the plate and had no idea who he was or what he was doing short of a seatbelt violation.
Strike 2 is patently absurd on the basis you claim that “sometimes it’s painful to be stupid”. Where people is no consistent indicator of their intelligence.
So 3 of your 4 strikes are absurd.
Absolutely agree with your assessment of “strike 4.” If something happens to you that will forever impair your ability to do your job, and that impairment could mean someone completely innocent being killed, then maybe it’s time to consider finding another job or retiring. Even paying the guy disability for the rest of his life is better than some innocent guy getting shot (and I’m not just talking about this instance, either).
“Well I was shot before, ma’am,” isn’t something you want to tell a mother having to bury her son.
Suspect had an outstanding failure to pay/appear warrant
People miss court dates, without more information this isn’t that big of a deal. (I doubt the cop knew this just by looking at the guy anyways.)
“Suspect had an outstanding failure to pay/appear warrant – Strike 1.”
If that is even true, the trooper wouldn’t have anyway to know that when he shot. He had not even gotten ID from the “suspect”. Watch the video, he shot him after asking for his license before any was given.
Strike 2- isn’t his fault,
Strike 4-isn’t his fault,
Your strike 3 is an opinion.
So he had no strikes in reality
This is attempted murder. Plain and simple. Anything less is a slap on the wrist. Its is long since time to send a message to these thugs.
Nuts
hum dinger, that is a lot of bovine excreta. We, certainly, should expect more from an experienced lawman Some of these shavetails, on the Patrol are absolutely ridiculous.
http://www.wtoc.com/story/20910872/bobby-collins-ops-chief-fired
I wonder if there is a fund set up for both the officer and the shot victim…!?
I hope this Subway employee makes a solid and functional recovery and turns this negative into a positive.
As someone who grew up next door to a SCHP officer……I know first hand how these actions reverberate. I am so glad this dash cam is available to further educate our police forces.
The cops should be required to skip their doughnuts and go to his Subway for at least a year. And make them show their receipts to their supervisors. That will increase Jones’ bonus, that is if he still works there after getting his financial settlement.
This incident should be used as an argument for repealing seat belt violations as a primary offense.
“Barney Giese, Groubert’s defense attorney, said there’s more than one way to interpret the video and told the judge Wednesday his client is not guilty and was justified in shooting Jones who was reaching for his license. Giese, who served as the 5th Judicial Circuit Solicitor for the past 16 years, said Jones reached for his license “aggressively” and Trooper Groubert thought he was reaching for a gun”. …… Source: A Charleston TV Station
I am sure thousands of cops from around the country will be glad to submit affidavits and even testify in Groubert’s defense. Going to be a tough call for 12 — a 90 second video clip of traffic stop shootings at cops can be shown to a jury.
Except that Groubert lost his job because of numerous complaints over his demeanor and interactions with members of the public…
Anyone can file a complaint. Anyone can lie in a complaint, too.
Not the case at all – he has exactly six complaints in his jacket and four of them were dismissed. (two were from his time as a deputy sheriff).
One of my Reserve NCOs who is also a GAHP Trooper brags about how think her complaint jacket is.
Most complaints are without any merit. Its just disgruntled motorist, etc, wanting to get back at an officer for doing their job to enforce the law. Like you, I may have been born at night. But it was not ‘last night.’
Wait a minute – we’re agreeing about something here.
She sounds like she could be a barrel of fun — just thinking here in an idle moment.
You will be likely be subpoenaed, I am certain. You should watch what you say here, chump.
Someone here mentioned that Groubert’s blue lights were not on, so I watched the video again. Makes me wonder what the HP’s rule is for a “stop” because if he was intending to tell Jones to wear his seat belt when he hit the road again, that’s one thing. But then he asks Jones to produce his license. That’s sort of confusing to me. Groubert and his lawyers will have to work it out during the days ahead. I wouldn’t be surprised if they follow the comments on Fitsnews. We’re almost like a jury — aren’t we?
Having watched the video from the time Groubert let the truck he had apparently stopped pull off and him follow it to the street, I don’t know how well he could have seen to his right to see whether the guy he shot was wearing a seatbelt or not when he pulled in by the gas pump.
Is it common for cops to stop people in parking lots when they have not actually observed, in this case, whether the guy was wearing the seatbelt when he was on the road?
Are you drinking again? Your speech is slurred.
Am I as incoherent as you?
His comment and question are clear to me.
He’s not very articulate. But his post is understandable.
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The driver did an incredibly stupid thing by going back into his truck. The trooper did exactly as he was trained to do; identify the threat, move and shoot, move and shoot…..all in a matter of seconds., Nothing to see here. Case closed,.
The trooper’s bosses have very clearly stated that they disagree with your assessment of what he was trained to do and how.
Jones’ mistake was not immediately telling Groubert that his wallet is on the front seat. But I might have done the same. If Jones had just left work he may have had a dozen things on his mind when he stepped out of his truck.
5 years ago I was at the National Advocacy Center at USC. The Prosecutors were on break after a session and one said “I was shocked to learn that cops lie. Just think, I could have sent an innocent man to jail but I’m not going to loose any sleep over it” State sponsored thugery is more common than you know. Take all of their guns away and see how polite they become.
http://ftpcontent4.worldnow.com/wistv/pdf/bobbycollinscomplaint.pdf
The Commander of the Agency made the decision he was fit for duty after the first shooting and he was never offered any professional counseling other than non- psychiatric assistance. As they say in the real world it starts at the top. Knowing Haley like we all do she cut that from the insurance that would have paid for that treatment.
http://www.wistv.com/story/26640394/officials-release-full-51-minute-dashcam-video-in-trooper-involved-shooting
Lawsuit city..
http://ftpcontent4.worldnow.com/wistv/pdf/bobbycollinscomplaint.pdf
Wow now here is the real background! !!!!!!!!!!
Read the lawsuit where Grouport arrested Bobby Collins…:)
Yup, I was pulled over for not wearing my seat belt in my neighborhood and fined. The cops don’t have enough to keep busy in my opinion and this helps relieve their boredom.