Thanks for the tip about allodial titles. I just read up on them a bit.

Also, thanks for inspiring my latest article:

http://www.atgpress.com/wtc/wtc_047.htm

I look at it this way:

If I were the government and your car were the economy:

If I were a socialist government, I would own your car and I would be responsible for taking care of the car and all the bills and paperwork associated with it. I would do whatever I want with your car including potentially restricting any and all uses of it.

If I were a fascist government, I would let you “own” your car and YOU would take care of the car and all the bills and paperwork associated with it. I would do whatever I want with your car including potentially restricting any and all uses of it.

In such a case, does it really matter who owns the car on paper?

You’ve done the best job of explaining why, technically, “fascism” is a better name for the governmental system we’ve progressively “evolved” over the past century or so.

Economically, fascism just regulates the @%#% out of industry so that outright “state ownership” is not required. It’s actually a better deal for the government since it helps to enslave without being quite so obvious to everyone what is going on. Instead of building new organizations, you can just infiltrate and take over existing ones.

Even by your definition, however, we’re at least socialist to the degree that we own the nationalized railroad system (NOT “TEMPORARY,” by the way, Mr. Apologist) and own huge hunks of Government (nee’ “General”) Motors and other entities now.

And, lest you think you’ve won the argument on a technicality, fascism is a form of socialism as recognized by the Nazis (also known as “National Socialists”). The modus operandi is absolute control of the economy and vastly restricting the behavior of the populace in order to accomplish their goals. They do this through virtually identical means whether they have to control the means of production by ownership or by severe regulations. The arbitrary distinction you brought up was only created to give the impression of a seemingly huge difference between the fascists and the communists as they competed in early half of the twentieth century.

Read the book linked under my handle above (if you have the guts) and GET A CLUE! The businessmen in 1939 Germany were even studying Marx so they could figure out how to survive with what was going on.

The control necessary to implement socialist goals, including those of the fascist variety, involve virtually identical sorts of propaganda, social grouping, class warfare, government handouts, police-state organizations, etc. That incredibly high level of control over individual and group behavior in the market place and personal lives is also the same high level of control necessary to herd people into concentration camps and murder them.

So, look in the mirror, breath hard, strain, and screw up your face until it turns really red and scream “IDIOT!” a few times and we’ll call it even for your undue insults and obvious ignorance of the reality staring you straight in the face.

I think the Progressives(Democrats and most Republicans) have a communist agenda…we are not there yet..
But we are defiantly socialists…

You heard it here folks….I am an idiot and you people dont have to worry about socialism.

“And before you start throwing out more lies, health care reform was not Socialism. Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and other government programs aren’t Socialism, either”

I guess unless you are talking about countries that claim to be communist.There is no such thing as socialism.

Anybody else have an opinion…or does “Bobby” know it all?

Socialism is an economic system based on state ownership of capital. That doesn’t mean that government owning shares in something for a temporary period of time qualifies. Socialism is complete government takeover; it’s nationalization. Neither this President nor the last did that. Giving the banks money that they are to repay in order to get out from under government regulations is not Socialism. Giving Detroit money is not Socialism. In Socialism, the government takes over industry without industry’s consent. You could go read about it, but you’re too busy listening to your Tea Party talking points to know what is really going on in the world.

And before you start throwing out more lies, health care reform was not Socialism. Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and other government programs aren’t Socialism, either.

“Who has the answer?” – That’s an easy one; every high schooler who has ever taken a government class, college students, people who pay attention, people who can read…and on and on…

Why don’t you use your freedom of speech to actually make an informed comment for once.