Comments on: List Of SC Failing Schools Released

By: CNSYD

CNSYD — Sun, 07 Feb 2010 01:21:20 +0000

LFM, I agree. I see guys who lack education but who have labor skills. Unfortunately they have difficulty getting jobs when they can’t read and write. It blows my mind that in 2010 we have people like that but we do. I have seen them get stiffed on jobs because they don’t get a contraact writen and they trust they will get paid. They can’t get a mechanic’s lien because there is no contract. Among low skill workers there is a huge underground economy where they are paid in cash. They don’t understand that when they pay for things like rent in cash there is no paper trail. I tell them they need to get receipts. Slum lords don’t want to give out receipts. These people don’t understand that things like “rapid refunds” on income taxes are really a loan at very high interest rates. Those few who have cars go to “title loan” places when they are in need of fast cash and get ripped off. Banks won’t even talk to them. It is really, to me, amazing what they don’t know and/or understand.

By: Liberty For Me

Liberty For Me — Sun, 07 Feb 2010 00:15:24 +0000

CNYSD…Maybe,but you can not live in the past.You have to use the brains God gave you and go to where the jobs are or learn a skill…If hill billys stay in the mountains for genarations that is their choice.
I dont feel I have any responsiblity to feed them anymore than them me.
I have had plenty men work for me who did not have a high IQ..But they made up for it in skill or just hard work…There are no excuses.
But…even though I dont feel I should be forced to pay for anybody.I have no problem donating to or their being a funding for “real” disabled people who have no family.

By: CNSYD

CNSYD — Sat, 06 Feb 2010 23:54:55 +0000

LFM, I think many of the problems are what has occurred when we switched from an agricultural to a manufacturing society. The mill villages of the upstate owned the workers almost as much as slavery owned workers before the War Between the States. It was to their advantage to keep education down and unions out. Thus the succeeding generations had little to build upon. Once people hit rock bottom it is very difficult to pull yourself out with or without government help. Without basic education you are at the mercy of predators.

By: Jimbo

Jimbo — Sat, 06 Feb 2010 13:50:00 +0000

I have 3 kids and have tried the regular normal public school route. I highly recommend more charter schools. I also highly recommend the new online high school in Sc – Provost Academy.

Just don’t throw your kids into the public school machine without looking at all the alternatives out there.

Is your kid going to a public school leaving your house at 7:30 a.m. and returning home at 3:30 or 4:00p.m.? Do you think your kids are receiving anywhere near 8 hours of real education per day?

By: Liberty For Me

Liberty For Me — Fri, 05 Feb 2010 11:20:19 +0000

“Jack”
What the hell are you talking about?
“Private schools did not fulfill that need for hundreds of years and they will not do it now”…is your quote.Of course they would given the chance. Government schools are costing something like $14000 per student…My son goes to private school for $5,000 a year.They did not ask me for proof of income.I thought you were an accountant?
Somehow you are blind to the whole scenario…
If all the schools in the county were run by the same school the taxes would drop by almost 2/3.

Otherwise you are in favor of a class system..giving poor people substandard schools so that your kids can look smarter because you can afford a private school and are willing to pay 2/3 more taxes than necessary

I don’t see how this is hard to understand.
We are not talking about Harvard…we are talking about Grade school.
By the way…”public institutions” are liberal schools.That is the definition.

By: baker

baker — Fri, 05 Feb 2010 04:21:56 +0000

Liberty for Me’s comment: Let me guess..The government would run hospitals better than the free market,right?

Indeed, I think that in many, many communities, the public hospitals are, in fact, superior to privately owned, corporate run hospitals…..at the very least, they provide a stronger base of services for the diverse needs of the public.

By: Jack

Jack — Fri, 05 Feb 2010 01:22:56 +0000

Liberty,

I never said private schools could not fulfill the educational needs of the rich. I never even said that private schools could not provide a better education for the rich than public school provides for the poor. Private school certainly can provide for the educational needs of the rich very well, as they have for centuries. But they will not fulfill the educational needs of the poor and lower middle class, because as you say “they do not have the will or the ability.” That has also been the case for centuries.

“This is the screwed up moronic logic that makes us one of the lowest educated societies in the world…”

Every country in the world relies on public education for the vast majority of its children.

“You must have a degree from some liberal college.” Nope, BA in Business, MA in Accounting, and JD. All from public institutions.

Finally I did not change my tune, I still do not want to pay for someone to send their kid to private school. I am willing to pay for public schools because I believe they are necessary if we are to have an educated population. Private schools are not necessary, they are a luxury which, if you can afford it, you should partake. If you can’t afford it and you think it will hold your kid back; then sell you home and rent an apartment, buy a smaller car, eat less food, buy cheap clothes, and put your kids education first; or don’t and send him to public school.

By: Liberty For Me

Liberty For Me — Thu, 04 Feb 2010 23:45:55 +0000

CNSYD…Again,the best answer is liberty.If high taxes and give aways solved the problem.Then poverty would not exist today.
Why did we not have these problems from 1776 to 1900??…People are all of a sudden more needy than before we had a big federal government??

I have a 9th grade education but yet I have made millions and raised a family.People can find excuses not to provide for themselves and their family.But they are excuses not legitimate reasons…even in these terrible economic times.

By: Liberty For Me

Liberty For Me — Thu, 04 Feb 2010 23:25:18 +0000

“Jack”
You know the private auto industry in 1920 did not make anywhere near the car our government owned GM does today…That proves that government is the only one that can fulfill the need for cars in the world.
Funny how you changed your opposition from paying for someone having a private education to one of private schools can not fulfill educational needs..I could swear you said you sent your kids there..Why would you send them to a school with lower standards than government schools?? Let me guess..The government would run hospitals better than the free market,right?

This is the screwed up moronic logic that makes us one of the lowest educated societies in the world…You must have a degree from some liberal college.

By: Jack

Jack — Thu, 04 Feb 2010 20:05:15 +0000

“But a better education is the way out of poverty period and there is no way the government has the will or ability to do this.’

I do not understand your point. The government has been providing better education for the vast majority of Americans for over 100 years. We have the educated population we have today because of public education. If you do not think the public education kids receive today is superior to the education a poor kid received 100 years ago then you need to go back to public school.

For most of the history of the world society has been composed of a small group of wealthy elite, a small middle class, and a large group of poor people, most of whom worked as servants or on subsistence farms. In those days you did what your father did. If he was a farmer you were a farmer, if he was a house servant, you were a house servant, if he was a sharecropper, you were a sharecropper. With the rise of the industrial revolution, the middle class began to expand but they were held back by their inability to obtain an education. So despite more money the son of a mill worker was still likely to be a mill worker. As a result, public schools expanded from the one room school house that did litte more than teach grammer school level reading and math to fill the need for higher levels of education, and to start sending the middle class to college. As the middle class grew in wealth they could now afford to pay taxes for better public schools and public universities for their children, and they did; and as a result today a kid can aspire to be anything he wants because he can get an education.

Private schools did not fulfill that need for hundreds of years and they will not do it now.