Nice retort. U R such a legolept. You killed Ohara after the first paragraph. Where to bury the body?
Peace Out.

As for my “theory,” I said black market. That encompasses a lot more than just stolen guns. Or is that all you can wrap you mind around? Since few states have registration, yes, most of those guns would be “unregistered.” Are you that stupid, or intentionally misleading?

As for sneaking guns across the border/corruption, that was in reference to drugs, moron, not guns.

Mexican laws make it nearly impossible to buy guns legally, huh? So, your theory is that drug lords would go through legal channels to buy their guns, if that was possible. Really? Now I know you’re not that stupid, so the “intentionally misleading” theory is gaining momentum.

Wait, I guess the Mexican laws on pot, cocain, heroin, etc., are so lax that that’s why so much drugs come through there. Just like your guns from America theory.

So, how do you explain the true military type firearms in the hands of Mexican drug lords? They cannot be coming from here, so where do they originate? Let me give you a hint. Criminal enterprises are extremely good at furthering their criminal enterprises. They get their guns through…wait for it…a criminal enterprise. They use the black market, which includes, but is not limited to, stolen guns.

I wonder if Mexico might want to try to divert attention away from its failures to control the drug lords in its country by pointing its finger at the U.S., and blaming our gun laws? I also wonder if they would select the guns to trace as being the ones most likely to have started through normal channels, just to support that claim? Out of roughly 30,000 guns seized in ’08, only about 7,200 were submitted for tracing. Why so few, I wonder?

But that’s not really the point, anyway. The point is that guns are not the reason for the drug trade, as you state. But you sound like you don’t like guns, so you were probably just looking for a weak connection to promote the idea that our gun laws are not strong enough. My wife always says she’s suspect of any man who supports an anti-gun agenda. I’ll have to tell her about you, presuming you are male.

The problem is that there is too much money in this trade. Billions are spent just to launder the money, which our great financial institutions are more than willing to do, and will not stop to do as long as they are getting fat pockets from all the corruption in Mexico. Billions are spent to provide resources to agencies’ who attempt to police the trade, and this is a never ending black hole unless there are serious efforts to fight the drug trade, or to go ahead and admit that the markets are too powerful to destory and merely tax the shit out of them. The ironic thing about the drug trade is it’s simplicity: those involved supply a product that people demand. The risk involved pushes the prices higher and gives the suppliers a massive return on that risk, which allows them to expand their operations. The more our laws promote risk, the higher the profit returns will be, and hence, the situation we are in now with a neverending war on products that there will always be demand for. If government were smart, they would legalize drugs, tax the shit out of them, and further expand their welfare state to care for all the drug addicts that legalization will produce with the proceeds from taxing the products. It is no different than the methods they are currently using, and could allocate resources more efficiently…

“It is made possible through corruption on the south side of the border, probably corruption on the north side of the border, and porous border security.”

PROBABLY corruption on the north side of the border? You’re joking. No Americans sneak into Mexico with guns-the deal are all done north of the border.

Your theory is stolen guns, huh? All those guns were stolen in the US & then sent south of the border? Try unregistered guns, new guns, coming in from China legally via US importers. Mexican law makes it nearly impossible to buy guns there legally, so they use US contacts to get them.

The Federalis have stockpiles of confiscated weapons from the US sitting in warehouses all over Mexico. 90% of those sent to ATF thru e-Trace by the Mexican government show US ownership. Those are just a drop in the bucket compared to assault weapons that, yeah, US citizens, ie importers, are making money off of. I cannot believe you are that naive.

“In fact, we’re willing to wager that the confiscated cash (which has now been taken out of the economy, thank you very much) pales in comparison to the government resources expended to pull off this “bust” – to say nothing of the cost to the taxpayers of incarcerating the “criminals” that were arrested.”

Lemme just say that I concur (i.e. you spoke for me) and I’ll leave it at that.

Regards,

NunYah

Trafficking of drugs is not “made possible with sale of guns to the Mexican crime families by our commendable private citizenry.” It is made possible through corruption on the south side of the border, probably corruption on the north side of the border, and porous border security. The guns aren’t being used to fight their way across the border so they can get their stuff to market. The guns are used to kill rivals, a few honest officials, and any civilians who get in the way. And most of the guns the drug lords prefer are of the military variety, not the “military style” variety. Those are not available to “our commendable private citizenry.” The drug lords get them through the huge, global black market for military armaments.

I would wager that most of the non-military guns that show up down there, and originated here in the US, also came through the black market. These are stolen guns and guns acquired in other illegal ways. A trace on a firearm to determine where it originated does not tell you how it got to where it ended up. It just tells you where it started.