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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://www.fitsnews.com/2009/12/11/sc-bureaucrats-arent-hurting/#comment-87532</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 14:11:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TERI = NO UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS - WIN, WIN for SC</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TERI = NO UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS &#8211; WIN, WIN for SC</p>
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		<title>By: Commonman</title>
		<link>http://www.fitsnews.com/2009/12/11/sc-bureaucrats-arent-hurting/#comment-79359</link>
		<dc:creator>Commonman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 23:11:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just take a look at the higher paid employees who are on TERI.  They are using and abusing the system.  The Budget and Control Board is one of the main culprits with retiring and rehiring and higher paid employees leaving for even higher paid jobs at other state institutions.  It&#039;s all there if someone takes the time to look.  Too much back scratching going on in an agency that is supposed to be the administrative agency for state government.  Just start at the top and work your way down.  Disgusting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just take a look at the higher paid employees who are on TERI.  They are using and abusing the system.  The Budget and Control Board is one of the main culprits with retiring and rehiring and higher paid employees leaving for even higher paid jobs at other state institutions.  It&#8217;s all there if someone takes the time to look.  Too much back scratching going on in an agency that is supposed to be the administrative agency for state government.  Just start at the top and work your way down.  Disgusting.</p>
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		<title>By: Alec</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 05:55:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sam, you asked if we would rather have &quot;..a well paid, intelegent (sic) and able public workforce or a semi-trained, uneducated, not so competent boob handling the state’s business?&quot;  Well, heck yeah! But I don&#039;t think that&#039;s gonna happen anytime soon.  Not as long as Harrell, Leatherman and McConnell run this state.  I&#039;m afraid it&#039;s not-so-competent man-boobs for South Carolina.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam, you asked if we would rather have &#8220;..a well paid, intelegent (sic) and able public workforce or a semi-trained, uneducated, not so competent boob handling the state’s business?&#8221;  Well, heck yeah! But I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s gonna happen anytime soon.  Not as long as Harrell, Leatherman and McConnell run this state.  I&#8217;m afraid it&#8217;s not-so-competent man-boobs for South Carolina.</p>
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		<title>By: Marvin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marvin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 05:47:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Baker, of course not all government workers are bureaucrats.  But all the overpaid ones are, and there are many, many of them at all levels.  Again, there are many jobs that are neccessary to provide services.  But there are not nearly as many of those services that are critical as there are agencies and employees we don&#039;t need and can&#039;t afford.  Sorry, but it&#039;s a fact.  

Government is not a private company, at which consumers have a choice to spend their money or not.  Government has very little money that is not taken forcibly through taxation, and that money is always taken from an individual who would have spent it elsewhere.  We are funding government at an alarming level, and politicians have literally behaved like college kids with their first credit card.  We have agencies that shouldn&#039;t even exist spending money they can&#039;t account for on programs that make no sense.  

Now, of course we should pay for law enforcement.  But right now we are furloughing police officers.  And teachers.  Are we furloughing legislative staffers?  Have we cut the consulting fees for PR firms?  Have we laid off any government lobbyists?  Are we cutting out the &quot;economic development&quot; incentives to private companies?  How many communications directors were laid off?

You get the point.  And the TERI program is a whole other layer of theft on the part of government workers.  And Baker, trust me - I am much more aware than most what government workers do, and know that many do work very hard and care about their jobs.  They know better than anyone else how much money gets wasted and how many lazy overpaid lawyers and PR people get automatic raises while others are doing the work of three people.

We have too many government employees and too many government agencies doing too many things that shouldn&#039;t be done in the public sector at all. And those who really do provide core services and do it efficiently would be much better off -- and so would the taxpayers -- if we would cut out what we don&#039;t need.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Baker, of course not all government workers are bureaucrats.  But all the overpaid ones are, and there are many, many of them at all levels.  Again, there are many jobs that are neccessary to provide services.  But there are not nearly as many of those services that are critical as there are agencies and employees we don&#8217;t need and can&#8217;t afford.  Sorry, but it&#8217;s a fact.  </p>
<p>Government is not a private company, at which consumers have a choice to spend their money or not.  Government has very little money that is not taken forcibly through taxation, and that money is always taken from an individual who would have spent it elsewhere.  We are funding government at an alarming level, and politicians have literally behaved like college kids with their first credit card.  We have agencies that shouldn&#8217;t even exist spending money they can&#8217;t account for on programs that make no sense.  </p>
<p>Now, of course we should pay for law enforcement.  But right now we are furloughing police officers.  And teachers.  Are we furloughing legislative staffers?  Have we cut the consulting fees for PR firms?  Have we laid off any government lobbyists?  Are we cutting out the &#8220;economic development&#8221; incentives to private companies?  How many communications directors were laid off?</p>
<p>You get the point.  And the TERI program is a whole other layer of theft on the part of government workers.  And Baker, trust me &#8211; I am much more aware than most what government workers do, and know that many do work very hard and care about their jobs.  They know better than anyone else how much money gets wasted and how many lazy overpaid lawyers and PR people get automatic raises while others are doing the work of three people.</p>
<p>We have too many government employees and too many government agencies doing too many things that shouldn&#8217;t be done in the public sector at all. And those who really do provide core services and do it efficiently would be much better off &#8212; and so would the taxpayers &#8212; if we would cut out what we don&#8217;t need.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynn Simmons</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynn Simmons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 15:59:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the state agencies would be opening themselves to another lawsuit if they got rid of the TERI employees.. There is not one bit of difference if you really think about it..between a retired state employee working than say a retired military worker in a state job.  There are alot of those as well.  They would have to literally change the law to prohibit retired workers from being rehired..also would have to stop other retired persons from other areas such as military.  Doubt they will do that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the state agencies would be opening themselves to another lawsuit if they got rid of the TERI employees.. There is not one bit of difference if you really think about it..between a retired state employee working than say a retired military worker in a state job.  There are alot of those as well.  They would have to literally change the law to prohibit retired workers from being rehired..also would have to stop other retired persons from other areas such as military.  Doubt they will do that.</p>
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		<title>By: Soft Sigh From Hell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Soft Sigh From Hell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 15:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Stumpy, by your comments I now remember more of the problem as told to me.

The post-TERI hangers-on claim that there is no one trained or experienced to take over their jobs and that they are thus still essential.  This is after they themselves (the hangers-on) had FIVE YEARS of TERI time to train several underlings so that persons were available to take over.  Unbelievably, these high paid bureaucrats are being further rewarded for their own failure and negligence.  The whole TERI debacle, from legislation to clinging bureaucrats today, would make a great newspaper expose/documentary or university thesis in political science or public administration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Stumpy, by your comments I now remember more of the problem as told to me.</p>
<p>The post-TERI hangers-on claim that there is no one trained or experienced to take over their jobs and that they are thus still essential.  This is after they themselves (the hangers-on) had FIVE YEARS of TERI time to train several underlings so that persons were available to take over.  Unbelievably, these high paid bureaucrats are being further rewarded for their own failure and negligence.  The whole TERI debacle, from legislation to clinging bureaucrats today, would make a great newspaper expose/documentary or university thesis in political science or public administration.</p>
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		<title>By: Stumpy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stumpy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 02:56:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Soft Sigh From Hell, how right you are.  DSS is having a furlough and is laying people off.  However, none of them are the upper level management staff that makes the big bucks.  Also, many of them are TERI and post TERI.  DSS is a cabinet agency, over which the Luv Guv has appointing authority.  He professes to be against the TERI program but still has a large precentage of them working in the higher paying jobs in the agency.  One of the arguments is that there is no one with the experience, but how does anyone get experience if they continue to hang on to the higher positions?  These are the people that inflate the average pay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Soft Sigh From Hell, how right you are.  DSS is having a furlough and is laying people off.  However, none of them are the upper level management staff that makes the big bucks.  Also, many of them are TERI and post TERI.  DSS is a cabinet agency, over which the Luv Guv has appointing authority.  He professes to be against the TERI program but still has a large precentage of them working in the higher paying jobs in the agency.  One of the arguments is that there is no one with the experience, but how does anyone get experience if they continue to hang on to the higher positions?  These are the people that inflate the average pay.</p>
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		<title>By: Soft Sigh From Hell</title>
		<link>http://www.fitsnews.com/2009/12/11/sc-bureaucrats-arent-hurting/#comment-79053</link>
		<dc:creator>Soft Sigh From Hell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 20:16:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you want to see abuse and a real scam, look at all the higher-ups in various agencies who got the advantages of the TERI program (originally designed for classroom teacher retention but gone awry in the bureaucracies) and who then &quot;retired&quot; but never went away and still draw large salaries.  I don’t pretend to know the details, but from the pained howls of smart friends consigned to state cubes there seems to be something badly wrong here.  The story goes that the high-ups basically claim that they are too important to have to leave and they get dispensation from each other and stay on and on.  Friends at DHEC for instance claim that not a few of these hangers-on could do their highest service to the state by leaving.  Instead they cling tenaciously.  Lessers, that is regular folks, must leave of course.   

Take a look at TERI.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you want to see abuse and a real scam, look at all the higher-ups in various agencies who got the advantages of the TERI program (originally designed for classroom teacher retention but gone awry in the bureaucracies) and who then &#8220;retired&#8221; but never went away and still draw large salaries.  I don’t pretend to know the details, but from the pained howls of smart friends consigned to state cubes there seems to be something badly wrong here.  The story goes that the high-ups basically claim that they are too important to have to leave and they get dispensation from each other and stay on and on.  Friends at DHEC for instance claim that not a few of these hangers-on could do their highest service to the state by leaving.  Instead they cling tenaciously.  Lessers, that is regular folks, must leave of course.   </p>
<p>Take a look at TERI.</p>
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		<title>By: baker</title>
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		<dc:creator>baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 19:34:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Several thoughts: 

**This report IS coming from Will Folks, a former government employee (who may, by the way, have been paid higher than the gov-employee average....though I do not know). I assume that Will&#039;s resume includes mention of his work on the taxpayers&#039; dime. 

**It&#039;s strange logic to assert that if general unemployment rises, we should cut government employment by proportionally. Then overall unemployment would only go up! Not only that, but do demands placed on government lessen when the economy is bad? Of course not. As Upstate Native pointed out, there are still real needs in areas such as law enforcement. Of course, we need more private sector jobs -- that doesn&#039;t really say much, however, about public sector employment. 

**Just a point of curiosity: are all government employees &quot;bureaucrats&quot;? Obviously, Will and others like to use that term (or &quot;edu&quot;crat) because it they sense it has a negative connotation. But does it really apply to all government workers....including police, teachers, sanitation workers, etc.? 

**Finally, these &quot;whopping&quot; salaries Will points to.....they don&#039;t seem that &quot;whopping&quot; to me. Forty-grand a year? High thirties? Stuff like that? Folks on those salaries certainly aren&#039;t getting rich in their government positions. And, as someone else noted, these salaries are probably based, in large part, on the fact that so many government jobs do at least require a college degree and maybe additional education. So, of course, they&#039;re going to pay more than so many low-wage jobs in SC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Several thoughts: </p>
<p>**This report IS coming from Will Folks, a former government employee (who may, by the way, have been paid higher than the gov-employee average&#8230;.though I do not know). I assume that Will&#8217;s resume includes mention of his work on the taxpayers&#8217; dime. </p>
<p>**It&#8217;s strange logic to assert that if general unemployment rises, we should cut government employment by proportionally. Then overall unemployment would only go up! Not only that, but do demands placed on government lessen when the economy is bad? Of course not. As Upstate Native pointed out, there are still real needs in areas such as law enforcement. Of course, we need more private sector jobs &#8212; that doesn&#8217;t really say much, however, about public sector employment. </p>
<p>**Just a point of curiosity: are all government employees &#8220;bureaucrats&#8221;? Obviously, Will and others like to use that term (or &#8220;edu&#8221;crat) because it they sense it has a negative connotation. But does it really apply to all government workers&#8230;.including police, teachers, sanitation workers, etc.? </p>
<p>**Finally, these &#8220;whopping&#8221; salaries Will points to&#8230;..they don&#8217;t seem that &#8220;whopping&#8221; to me. Forty-grand a year? High thirties? Stuff like that? Folks on those salaries certainly aren&#8217;t getting rich in their government positions. And, as someone else noted, these salaries are probably based, in large part, on the fact that so many government jobs do at least require a college degree and maybe additional education. So, of course, they&#8217;re going to pay more than so many low-wage jobs in SC.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 15:52:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will, your wrong, sorry.  The reason why state employess on average earn more than the average SC worker is because of the required education level of many state jobs.  I&#039;m sure you don&#039;t believe that someone who has a high school diploma or a ged should be making as much as someone who goes to work for the state with a college degree or advanced credential, or do you?  Would you rather have a well paid, intelegent and able public workforce or a semi-trained, uneducated, not so competent boob handling the state&#039;s business?  Live in the trenches for a few years, the view is much different from this side of the desk, versus your former desk at the Gov&#039;s office.
Later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will, your wrong, sorry.  The reason why state employess on average earn more than the average SC worker is because of the required education level of many state jobs.  I&#8217;m sure you don&#8217;t believe that someone who has a high school diploma or a ged should be making as much as someone who goes to work for the state with a college degree or advanced credential, or do you?  Would you rather have a well paid, intelegent and able public workforce or a semi-trained, uneducated, not so competent boob handling the state&#8217;s business?  Live in the trenches for a few years, the view is much different from this side of the desk, versus your former desk at the Gov&#8217;s office.<br />
Later.</p>
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