Comments on: Washington State Is Playa-Hatin’ http://www.fitsnews.com/2009/11/02/washington-state-is-playa-hatin/ Politics, Sports and Pop Culture Tue, 14 Feb 2012 19:55:15 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: fitsnews http://www.fitsnews.com/2009/11/02/washington-state-is-playa-hatin/#comment-74027 fitsnews Tue, 03 Nov 2009 00:41:45 +0000 http://www.fitsnews.com/?p=32454#comment-74027 TMS- We're not too bright around here and don't have a lot of experience bragging about economic development wins, so pardon the oversight. Since you stopped by, though, we'd be curious as to your thoughts on this piece ... http://www.fitsnews.com/2009/10/30/sc-policy-council-a-bailout-for-boeing/ -FITS TMS-

We’re not too bright around here and don’t have a lot of experience bragging about economic development wins, so pardon the oversight.

Since you stopped by, though, we’d be curious as to your thoughts on this piece …

http://www.fitsnews.com/2009/10/30/sc-policy-council-a-bailout-for-boeing/

-FITS

]]> By: TMS http://www.fitsnews.com/2009/11/02/washington-state-is-playa-hatin/#comment-74026 TMS Tue, 03 Nov 2009 00:30:42 +0000 http://www.fitsnews.com/?p=32454#comment-74026 I'm not sure what I stepped in, considering how this website and many others completely missed the point of my comments. Considering the way your local media portrayed them, I shouldn't be surprised. The point is that we in Washington state gave Boeing almost everything it asked for -- tax breaks, training support -- hell, the entire state tax code was written for Boeing. And they still moved to another state, where they're going to spend $900 million to save about $9 million on labor costs. Starting Boeing workers here make $15 an hour -- you make $29 after 20 years of experience. The Everett 787 line will turn out seven to eight 787s a month, while the South Carolina line will turn out three. I don't blame the workers for that -- they're being asked to learn to be journeyman mechanics in months, not years. Perhaps you'll know what I meant in a few years, when Boeing shakes down South Carolina again, blames you for its shortcomings, and threatens to move the next assembly line to China. I’m not sure what I stepped in, considering how this website and many others completely missed the point of my comments. Considering the way your local media portrayed them, I shouldn’t be surprised. The point is that we in Washington state gave Boeing almost everything it asked for — tax breaks, training support — hell, the entire state tax code was written for Boeing. And they still moved to another state, where they’re going to spend $900 million to save about $9 million on labor costs. Starting Boeing workers here make $15 an hour — you make $29 after 20 years of experience. The Everett 787 line will turn out seven to eight 787s a month, while the South Carolina line will turn out three. I don’t blame the workers for that — they’re being asked to learn to be journeyman mechanics in months, not years. Perhaps you’ll know what I meant in a few years, when Boeing shakes down South Carolina again, blames you for its shortcomings, and threatens to move the next assembly line to China.

]]> By: mark g http://www.fitsnews.com/2009/11/02/washington-state-is-playa-hatin/#comment-74016 mark g Mon, 02 Nov 2009 23:12:21 +0000 http://www.fitsnews.com/?p=32454#comment-74016 Seattle's economy won't even feel this Boeing move. They haven't lost anything-- they just won't get the new Boeing assembly line. Seattle is still home to Microsoft, Amazon, Starbucks, etc. There is bitterness simply because of labor issues. The Machinists make $29/hour in WA, and wil make closer to $14/hour in SC. In WA the union is strong, and SC there is basically none. WA workers are engaged, SC workers are docile. SC gave the equivalent of billions in incentives-- the "Southern strategy." WA was done with giving them incentives. Both state have a lot to offer-- they are both beautiful in their own way. It has nothing to do with that. But WA feels burned seeing their new factory lines move to low-wage SC, in the same way SC feels burned seeing their textile plants move overseas. Seattle’s economy won’t even feel this Boeing move. They haven’t lost anything– they just won’t get the new Boeing assembly line. Seattle is still home to Microsoft, Amazon, Starbucks, etc.

There is bitterness simply because of labor issues. The Machinists make $29/hour in WA, and wil make closer to $14/hour in SC. In WA the union is strong, and SC there is basically none. WA workers are engaged, SC workers are docile. SC gave the equivalent of billions in incentives– the “Southern strategy.” WA was done with giving them incentives.

Both state have a lot to offer– they are both beautiful in their own way. It has nothing to do with that.

But WA feels burned seeing their new factory lines move to low-wage SC, in the same way SC feels burned seeing their textile plants move overseas.

]]> By: Darkseid616 http://www.fitsnews.com/2009/11/02/washington-state-is-playa-hatin/#comment-73994 Darkseid616 Mon, 02 Nov 2009 20:29:20 +0000 http://www.fitsnews.com/?p=32454#comment-73994 Apparently the good folks in Washington state don't have a clue. Not only did they lose this Boeing facility to SC but let me give you an even better example of business leaving them. The former Seattle Supersonics are now the Oklahoma City Thunder;the Seattle Mariners have been in discussions to leave (possibly to Charlotte) and the Seattle Seahawks have been in on again off again discussions to pull up and move to Los Angles! Now when all the professional sport franchises are fleeing Washington the state at roughly the same time one has to wonder why? Looks like Boeing can read the writing on wall... Apparently the good folks in Washington state don’t have a clue. Not only did they lose this Boeing facility to SC but let me give you an even better example of business leaving them. The former Seattle Supersonics are now the Oklahoma City Thunder;the Seattle Mariners have been in discussions to leave (possibly to Charlotte) and the Seattle Seahawks have been in on again off again discussions to pull up and move to Los Angles! Now when all the professional sport franchises are fleeing Washington the state at roughly the same time one has to wonder why? Looks like Boeing can read the writing on wall…

]]> By: Rick http://www.fitsnews.com/2009/11/02/washington-state-is-playa-hatin/#comment-73993 Rick Mon, 02 Nov 2009 20:10:40 +0000 http://www.fitsnews.com/?p=32454#comment-73993 I was stationed in the Puget Sound region for five years. The animosity is primarily from transplants from that failed social experiment south of them....California. They moved into the Pacific Northwest years ago and outnumber the locals many times to one. They came in with their big money from selling their assets and threw money around like it had little meaning into a part of the country that had been largely a lumber/fishing/seaport industry. After entering the market, they've found they need California wages to maintain their California lifestyle. Along with that they've brought their California attitude that the world revolves around them. This is just another round in a continuing saga involving Boeing and their union issues. Sell's just a member of a community that depends on Boeing to remain relevant and hasn't the talent to go elsewhere. I was stationed in the Puget Sound region for five years. The animosity is primarily from transplants from that failed social experiment south of them….California. They moved into the Pacific Northwest years ago and outnumber the locals many times to one. They came in with their big money from selling their assets and threw money around like it had little meaning into a part of the country that had been largely a lumber/fishing/seaport industry. After entering the market, they’ve found they need California wages to maintain their California lifestyle. Along with that they’ve brought their California attitude that the world revolves around them. This is just another round in a continuing saga involving Boeing and their union issues. Sell’s just a member of a community that depends on Boeing to remain relevant and hasn’t the talent to go elsewhere.

]]> By: Toyota Kawaski http://www.fitsnews.com/2009/11/02/washington-state-is-playa-hatin/#comment-73992 Toyota Kawaski Mon, 02 Nov 2009 20:03:51 +0000 http://www.fitsnews.com/?p=32454#comment-73992 walmart greets or Starbucks coffee makers walmart greets or Starbucks coffee makers

]]> By: CNSYD http://www.fitsnews.com/2009/11/02/washington-state-is-playa-hatin/#comment-73988 CNSYD Mon, 02 Nov 2009 19:49:36 +0000 http://www.fitsnews.com/?p=32454#comment-73988 Stupid Question, First I suggest that you shorten your name by just dropping the second word. Name me a proven or unproven allegation irt "highest public officials" of this state and tell me a state in the Union where you will not find some, if not all, of the same occurring. BTW, when did the guy in the AG office get to be a "highest public official"? Drop the graveyard and the fact he worked for a candidate for Governor and the story would not have made the news. Stupid Question, First I suggest that you shorten your name by just dropping the second word. Name me a proven or unproven allegation irt “highest public officials” of this state and tell me a state in the Union where you will not find some, if not all, of the same occurring. BTW, when did the guy in the AG office get to be a “highest public official”? Drop the graveyard and the fact he worked for a candidate for Governor and the story would not have made the news.

]]> By: follydude http://www.fitsnews.com/2009/11/02/washington-state-is-playa-hatin/#comment-73987 follydude Mon, 02 Nov 2009 19:35:42 +0000 http://www.fitsnews.com/?p=32454#comment-73987 i'm seeing bumber stickers that will read: "I DON'T CARE HOW THEY DID IT IN THE PACIFIC NORTH-WEST" or "Shrimp = good; Salmon = bad" i’m seeing bumber stickers that will read:

“I DON’T CARE HOW THEY DID IT IN THE PACIFIC NORTH-WEST”

or

“Shrimp = good; Salmon = bad”

]]> By: Stupid Question http://www.fitsnews.com/2009/11/02/washington-state-is-playa-hatin/#comment-73977 Stupid Question Mon, 02 Nov 2009 18:06:05 +0000 http://www.fitsnews.com/?p=32454#comment-73977 Besides, we have a reputation as a state that aspiring execs can have fun in, as our highest public officials can go off with strippers, Argentinian bimbos, and if they feel really bold, animals too. That had to be a strong selling point. Besides, we have a reputation as a state that aspiring execs can have fun in, as our highest public officials can go off with strippers, Argentinian bimbos, and if they feel really bold, animals too. That had to be a strong selling point.

]]> By: CNSYD http://www.fitsnews.com/2009/11/02/washington-state-is-playa-hatin/#comment-73968 CNSYD Mon, 02 Nov 2009 16:25:22 +0000 http://www.fitsnews.com/?p=32454#comment-73968 Washington state and SC have competed before. Charleston Naval Shipyard and Puget Sound Naval Shipyard were both nuclear repair yards that competed for submarine work. Today Charleston Naval Shipyard is gone and Puget Sound Naval Shipyard is still in operation. Was it because Puget had better workers than Charleston? No, it was because Puget is blessed with naturally deep waters that do not need dredging and they have drydocks than can hold Nimitz carriers. Charleston does not have those natural advantages or drydocks that large. This time SC had the advantages that Boeing was looking for. BTW for all you carpetbaggers who complained about education, the flag, state government, etc., do you now understand that, as always, money talks? Washington state and SC have competed before. Charleston Naval Shipyard and Puget Sound Naval Shipyard were both nuclear repair yards that competed for submarine work. Today Charleston Naval Shipyard is gone and Puget Sound Naval Shipyard is still in operation. Was it because Puget had better workers than Charleston? No, it was because Puget is blessed with naturally deep waters that do not need dredging and they have drydocks than can hold Nimitz carriers. Charleston does not have those natural advantages or drydocks that large. This time SC had the advantages that Boeing was looking for. BTW for all you carpetbaggers who complained about education, the flag, state government, etc., do you now understand that, as always, money talks?

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