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		<title>By: sid</title>
		<link>http://www.fitsnews.com/2009/10/23/the-white-house-versus-fox-news/#comment-73283</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:53:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Proof?  What proof?  If it&#039;s there, I&#039;ll concede that point, but don&#039;t just say it&#039;s so because that is what you either want to believe or have heard from someone who heard it from someone.

As for the liberal leanings of the MSM, I offer this, from the Weekly Standard in 2004:

&quot;THE ARGUMENT over whether the national press is dominated by liberals is over. Since 1962, there have been 11 surveys of the media that sought the political views of hundreds of journalists. In 1971, they were 53 percent liberal, 17 percent conservative. In a 1976 survey of the Washington press corps, it was 59 percent liberal, 18 percent conservative. A 1985 poll of 3,200 reporters found them to be self-identified as 55 percent liberal, 17 percent conservative. In 1996, another survey of Washington journalists pegged the breakdown as 61 percent liberal, 9 percent conservative. Now, the new study by the Pew Research Center for the People and the Press found the national media to be 34 percent liberal and 7 percent conservative.&quot;

You can complain that the Standard is conservative, but the surveys are simply surveys, and allow respondents to answer as they see fit.  And they see fit to offer that the MSM leans to the left.  Only a fool would believe that reporters who lean in one direction over the other don&#039;t allow their views to color their stories.

If you want proof of MSNBC pushing Barry&#039;s agenda, just turn on Olberman, et al., and you will have all the proof you need.  Whether or not they have meetings to discuss promoting Barry is less important than simply watching the final product.  They probably keep such things fairly hush-hush.  Meetings are not really necessary when you are all reading from the same sheet of music.

In my experience, though, most people who claim to be in the middle are not.  They just feel that&#039;s the correct thing to say to help bolster their personal views.  Maybe that covers you, and maybe not.  I guess I could say I&#039;m in the middle, since most of my positions on issues are defined (by those who define such things) as either far right or far left, so they average to falling in the middle.  Thus, I find more comfort with Fox, as I can sometimes see my left (i.e., libertarian) views represented on Fox, but never see my right (i.e., libertarian) views represented by the others in the MSM.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Proof?  What proof?  If it&#8217;s there, I&#8217;ll concede that point, but don&#8217;t just say it&#8217;s so because that is what you either want to believe or have heard from someone who heard it from someone.</p>
<p>As for the liberal leanings of the MSM, I offer this, from the Weekly Standard in 2004:</p>
<p>&#8220;THE ARGUMENT over whether the national press is dominated by liberals is over. Since 1962, there have been 11 surveys of the media that sought the political views of hundreds of journalists. In 1971, they were 53 percent liberal, 17 percent conservative. In a 1976 survey of the Washington press corps, it was 59 percent liberal, 18 percent conservative. A 1985 poll of 3,200 reporters found them to be self-identified as 55 percent liberal, 17 percent conservative. In 1996, another survey of Washington journalists pegged the breakdown as 61 percent liberal, 9 percent conservative. Now, the new study by the Pew Research Center for the People and the Press found the national media to be 34 percent liberal and 7 percent conservative.&#8221;</p>
<p>You can complain that the Standard is conservative, but the surveys are simply surveys, and allow respondents to answer as they see fit.  And they see fit to offer that the MSM leans to the left.  Only a fool would believe that reporters who lean in one direction over the other don&#8217;t allow their views to color their stories.</p>
<p>If you want proof of MSNBC pushing Barry&#8217;s agenda, just turn on Olberman, et al., and you will have all the proof you need.  Whether or not they have meetings to discuss promoting Barry is less important than simply watching the final product.  They probably keep such things fairly hush-hush.  Meetings are not really necessary when you are all reading from the same sheet of music.</p>
<p>In my experience, though, most people who claim to be in the middle are not.  They just feel that&#8217;s the correct thing to say to help bolster their personal views.  Maybe that covers you, and maybe not.  I guess I could say I&#8217;m in the middle, since most of my positions on issues are defined (by those who define such things) as either far right or far left, so they average to falling in the middle.  Thus, I find more comfort with Fox, as I can sometimes see my left (i.e., libertarian) views represented on Fox, but never see my right (i.e., libertarian) views represented by the others in the MSM.</p>
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		<title>By: OnNoNotAgain</title>
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		<dc:creator>OnNoNotAgain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:44:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A slight lean?
Man. You only think it&#039;s slight because they lean in your direction.
Maybe that&#039;s the same for the &quot;lefties&quot; on the traditional networks, but again, those are news programs on networks stacked with other things. I just don&#039;t see it.
There has been positive proof shown that during the Bush years, story meetings started with ways to advance the Bush agenda.
Show me proof that even MSNBC does that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A slight lean?<br />
Man. You only think it&#8217;s slight because they lean in your direction.<br />
Maybe that&#8217;s the same for the &#8220;lefties&#8221; on the traditional networks, but again, those are news programs on networks stacked with other things. I just don&#8217;t see it.<br />
There has been positive proof shown that during the Bush years, story meetings started with ways to advance the Bush agenda.<br />
Show me proof that even MSNBC does that.</p>
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		<title>By: sid</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 04:31:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder what color the sky is in RBB&#039;s world?  Once again he&#039;s parroting liberal talking points.  Republicans are the party of no?  Yes, that&#039;s what the lefties are all saying.  How original.  BTW, there&#039;s nothing wrong with saying &quot;No,&quot; when the question is, &quot;Should we let Barry push his socialist agenda?&quot;

Oh, and RBB, if you don&#039;t care about Fox, why is it so rooted in virtually all of your paranoid rants?  You not only care about it, and deeply, but fear it.  If you really don&#039;t care, then drop the leftist shtick of ranting about Fox every time Barry&#039;s numbers slip deeper.

Also, nice evasion of my addressing your post.  Now go see what your liberal handlers want you to say next.

PR, Fox has conservatives running opinion shows.  It doesn&#039;t deny this.  Nobody does.  It also has lefties, though.  Democrat operatives are regulars on many shows, too.  The straight news shows are as balanced, if not more, than the other news networks, however.  The notion that Fox, as a news network, leans heavily to the right is a creation of the left.  After getting a free ride for so long from the majors, the left was rattled by Fox&#039;s emergence, and the fact that it would not simply regurgitate what the left wanted forced on the public.

I think what you might have meant to say, though, was that there was nothing new about having partisan press.  It&#039;s been going on forever, but since the 60s, it&#039;s been leaning heavily to the left, in general.  Fox emerged, and rose quickly, because people were sick of the left leaning of the MSM.  Fox filled a balance void.

But there is a problem with partisan press, if the general public doesn&#039;t understand that&#039;s what&#039;s going on.  If the people think all the news they get is balanced, when it isn&#039;t, how on earth do you expect to have an educated, or at least fully informed, electorate?  Unfortunately, the average American is either too stupid or too lazy to understand when the news is putting a spin on things.  The left will always have its sheep, like RBB, and the right will have its sheep.  The middle, though, shouldn&#039;t be guided so strongly by the leftist leanings of the MSM.  Even lefty news people acknowledge the majors are packed with people who lean far left.  Fox news (not opinion) shows don&#039;t lean far right, but even if they did, that would at least be somewhat of a balance from the others in the MSM.  They may have a slight right lean, depending on your perspective, but in my opinion, they tend to be fairly balanced.  And I say that because I&#039;ve seen plenty of their programs where they have covered some issues with the same lefty leanings as the others in the MSM.  No news outlet is perfect, but Fox is better than most in the MSM.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder what color the sky is in RBB&#8217;s world?  Once again he&#8217;s parroting liberal talking points.  Republicans are the party of no?  Yes, that&#8217;s what the lefties are all saying.  How original.  BTW, there&#8217;s nothing wrong with saying &#8220;No,&#8221; when the question is, &#8220;Should we let Barry push his socialist agenda?&#8221;</p>
<p>Oh, and RBB, if you don&#8217;t care about Fox, why is it so rooted in virtually all of your paranoid rants?  You not only care about it, and deeply, but fear it.  If you really don&#8217;t care, then drop the leftist shtick of ranting about Fox every time Barry&#8217;s numbers slip deeper.</p>
<p>Also, nice evasion of my addressing your post.  Now go see what your liberal handlers want you to say next.</p>
<p>PR, Fox has conservatives running opinion shows.  It doesn&#8217;t deny this.  Nobody does.  It also has lefties, though.  Democrat operatives are regulars on many shows, too.  The straight news shows are as balanced, if not more, than the other news networks, however.  The notion that Fox, as a news network, leans heavily to the right is a creation of the left.  After getting a free ride for so long from the majors, the left was rattled by Fox&#8217;s emergence, and the fact that it would not simply regurgitate what the left wanted forced on the public.</p>
<p>I think what you might have meant to say, though, was that there was nothing new about having partisan press.  It&#8217;s been going on forever, but since the 60s, it&#8217;s been leaning heavily to the left, in general.  Fox emerged, and rose quickly, because people were sick of the left leaning of the MSM.  Fox filled a balance void.</p>
<p>But there is a problem with partisan press, if the general public doesn&#8217;t understand that&#8217;s what&#8217;s going on.  If the people think all the news they get is balanced, when it isn&#8217;t, how on earth do you expect to have an educated, or at least fully informed, electorate?  Unfortunately, the average American is either too stupid or too lazy to understand when the news is putting a spin on things.  The left will always have its sheep, like RBB, and the right will have its sheep.  The middle, though, shouldn&#8217;t be guided so strongly by the leftist leanings of the MSM.  Even lefty news people acknowledge the majors are packed with people who lean far left.  Fox news (not opinion) shows don&#8217;t lean far right, but even if they did, that would at least be somewhat of a balance from the others in the MSM.  They may have a slight right lean, depending on your perspective, but in my opinion, they tend to be fairly balanced.  And I say that because I&#8217;ve seen plenty of their programs where they have covered some issues with the same lefty leanings as the others in the MSM.  No news outlet is perfect, but Fox is better than most in the MSM.</p>
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		<title>By: OhNoNotAgain</title>
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		<dc:creator>OhNoNotAgain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 02:47:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FITS wrote: &quot;Somewhat surprisingly, the other four major networks – ABC, CBS, CNN and NBC – did the right thing and refused to participate in the media event unless the FOX correspondent was also granted access.&quot;

I&#039;m not surprised. If you really understood what you label the MSM, you wouldn&#039;t either. 

A poster wrote: &quot;But, because Fox News has Beck, O’Reilly, and Hannity, and actually report on the national Tea Party protests, they get the image of far right wing. It’s sad…&quot;

Oh. Fox&#039;s image as a far right wing network was solidified with with Tea party coverage? Gosh. That&#039;s funny. I thought it was solidified when Roger Ailes was picked to run it. When it was founded.

No one can bash Fox news for reporting on the tea party protests. But they actually, in their &quot;news&quot; shows, promoted the march on Washington, they distorted the number of attendees, and a producer was caught on camera behind a reporter exhorting the crowd to whoop it up. But that particular reporter was doing some exhorting himself.

Fox is not there to balance MSNBC. MSNBC changed its identity to give &quot;Balance&quot; to the cable world, an opposite to Fox.

You have Fox on the one hand, MSNBC on the far other side of the spectrum, and the others somewhere in between. The others attempt to be objective. Or used to. Now, they are just pathetic.

The whole problem with the world as we know it in America is there really isn&#039;t a majority party, on either side.

But the conservatives don&#039;t want to split up into fiscal conservative party who don&#039;t care about social issues, so those stick together, with a decreasing share of &quot;Libertarians are US.&quot; And the liberals don&#039;t want to split up because they are an even bigger coalition.

While the simple fact is, somewhere in the middle, most of us reside but no one is really representing us.

Middle like me. Desperate for fiscal responsibility but want some kind of health care reform, knowing we need it, but the side that might do it with some degree of money saving doesn&#039;t want to do it.

And the other big problem we face is this country worked fine when there was a frontier those who disagreed could escape to, start over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FITS wrote: &#8220;Somewhat surprisingly, the other four major networks – ABC, CBS, CNN and NBC – did the right thing and refused to participate in the media event unless the FOX correspondent was also granted access.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not surprised. If you really understood what you label the MSM, you wouldn&#8217;t either. </p>
<p>A poster wrote: &#8220;But, because Fox News has Beck, O’Reilly, and Hannity, and actually report on the national Tea Party protests, they get the image of far right wing. It’s sad…&#8221;</p>
<p>Oh. Fox&#8217;s image as a far right wing network was solidified with with Tea party coverage? Gosh. That&#8217;s funny. I thought it was solidified when Roger Ailes was picked to run it. When it was founded.</p>
<p>No one can bash Fox news for reporting on the tea party protests. But they actually, in their &#8220;news&#8221; shows, promoted the march on Washington, they distorted the number of attendees, and a producer was caught on camera behind a reporter exhorting the crowd to whoop it up. But that particular reporter was doing some exhorting himself.</p>
<p>Fox is not there to balance MSNBC. MSNBC changed its identity to give &#8220;Balance&#8221; to the cable world, an opposite to Fox.</p>
<p>You have Fox on the one hand, MSNBC on the far other side of the spectrum, and the others somewhere in between. The others attempt to be objective. Or used to. Now, they are just pathetic.</p>
<p>The whole problem with the world as we know it in America is there really isn&#8217;t a majority party, on either side.</p>
<p>But the conservatives don&#8217;t want to split up into fiscal conservative party who don&#8217;t care about social issues, so those stick together, with a decreasing share of &#8220;Libertarians are US.&#8221; And the liberals don&#8217;t want to split up because they are an even bigger coalition.</p>
<p>While the simple fact is, somewhere in the middle, most of us reside but no one is really representing us.</p>
<p>Middle like me. Desperate for fiscal responsibility but want some kind of health care reform, knowing we need it, but the side that might do it with some degree of money saving doesn&#8217;t want to do it.</p>
<p>And the other big problem we face is this country worked fine when there was a frontier those who disagreed could escape to, start over.</p>
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		<title>By: Politics Rocks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Politics Rocks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 23:28:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is nothing wrong with partisan press. The Nation, National Review, Air America and Fox News Channel are all ideologically driven press. The problem is that the only one lying about it is Fox News. They claim to do straight journalism when they are obviously ideologically slanted in one direction. Has anyone ever thought Fox was too liberal? Too moderate? Of course not, they&#039;re conservative. The White House is not threatening to shut down Fox News or take away their license. It&#039;s a free country. They can attack Obama all day long. But Obama also has a right to fight back. So, please stop with the histrionics about how the government is coming down on the media.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is nothing wrong with partisan press. The Nation, National Review, Air America and Fox News Channel are all ideologically driven press. The problem is that the only one lying about it is Fox News. They claim to do straight journalism when they are obviously ideologically slanted in one direction. Has anyone ever thought Fox was too liberal? Too moderate? Of course not, they&#8217;re conservative. The White House is not threatening to shut down Fox News or take away their license. It&#8217;s a free country. They can attack Obama all day long. But Obama also has a right to fight back. So, please stop with the histrionics about how the government is coming down on the media.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred</title>
		<link>http://www.fitsnews.com/2009/10/23/the-white-house-versus-fox-news/#comment-73112</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 20:17:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Faux - I love the little gay anchor guy. Does anyone really  think there is genuine news on cable??

I wish Faux  news and entertainment would set up a Mideast bureau and do daily reports on the Iraq and Afghanistan war. One week send Bill Oreilly over there  and the next week Sean Hannity and the next week Glenn Beck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Faux &#8211; I love the little gay anchor guy. Does anyone really  think there is genuine news on cable??</p>
<p>I wish Faux  news and entertainment would set up a Mideast bureau and do daily reports on the Iraq and Afghanistan war. One week send Bill Oreilly over there  and the next week Sean Hannity and the next week Glenn Beck.</p>
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		<title>By: Red Bank Bar</title>
		<link>http://www.fitsnews.com/2009/10/23/the-white-house-versus-fox-news/#comment-73108</link>
		<dc:creator>Red Bank Bar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 16:55:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Listen up Mo No Way:  No one is complaining about Tin Foil Hat Beck or Loofah Boy O&#039;Reily.  Management and anchors are driving faux&#039; bus to irrelevance.  

We do get it just like you noted.  We know Repugnants are the Party of No and Faux News is their cheerleader.

We just don&#039;t care about Faux News and their angry bubbas living in a fantasy world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Listen up Mo No Way:  No one is complaining about Tin Foil Hat Beck or Loofah Boy O&#8217;Reily.  Management and anchors are driving faux&#8217; bus to irrelevance.  </p>
<p>We do get it just like you noted.  We know Repugnants are the Party of No and Faux News is their cheerleader.</p>
<p>We just don&#8217;t care about Faux News and their angry bubbas living in a fantasy world.</p>
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		<title>By: Make it up as you go.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Make it up as you go.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 15:08:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hell yeah Obama&#039;s ratings are up!  In opposite world.

Keep making it up.  You know how to tell when someone has lost the debate on facts?  They start name calling like a two year old. 

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hell yeah Obama&#8217;s ratings are up!  In opposite world.</p>
<p>Keep making it up.  You know how to tell when someone has lost the debate on facts?  They start name calling like a two year old. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll" rel="nofollow">http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll</a></p>
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		<title>By: sid</title>
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		<dc:creator>sid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 14:02:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you had stated a fact, RBB, I would have refuted it.  You seem to confuse fact and opinion pretty easily, but that is the norm for the brain-dead left.  You are never handed a flawed opinion by your leaders you don&#039;t then push as a certifiable fact.  Kinda sad, but always expected.

One &quot;fact&quot; you did state, though, is an outright lie, which even Obama&#039;s friends in the MSM won&#039;t back you on.  Barry&#039;s numbers are down, and have been sinking steadily, with an occasional blip up every now and then.  He&#039;s had the largest drop in support of any president in recent memory over the same time span to begin his presidency.

As for your first post, first para is intentionally misleading.  Bush didn&#039;t do NYT, while Barry is trying to shut Fox out of all coverage/access to the WH.  Plenty of NYT access to the Bush WH, so to quote someone from SC, &quot;YOU LIE!&quot;

Second para is utter left-wing nonsense, promoted by all of your fab friends at MoveOn/Huffington/PRAVDA.  The Tea Parties sprang from the public backlash, and Fox was simply the first to cover them, and the only network to give them the coverage they deserved.

Paras 3-5 are, again, simple parroting of lefty tripe.  Nothing original there, but you are nothing original, RBB.

Paras 6-8 are a mix of lies and fanciful left-wing musings that, again, were originated by your lefty masters.  You need to come up with a new shtick, RBB.

Tell you what, though.  If you can give us some documentation regarding your opinions, I&#039;ll be happy to pick it apart for you to show you how truly duped you have become.  Voluntarily duped, perhaps, but duped, nonetheless.  Mighty fine corn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you had stated a fact, RBB, I would have refuted it.  You seem to confuse fact and opinion pretty easily, but that is the norm for the brain-dead left.  You are never handed a flawed opinion by your leaders you don&#8217;t then push as a certifiable fact.  Kinda sad, but always expected.</p>
<p>One &#8220;fact&#8221; you did state, though, is an outright lie, which even Obama&#8217;s friends in the MSM won&#8217;t back you on.  Barry&#8217;s numbers are down, and have been sinking steadily, with an occasional blip up every now and then.  He&#8217;s had the largest drop in support of any president in recent memory over the same time span to begin his presidency.</p>
<p>As for your first post, first para is intentionally misleading.  Bush didn&#8217;t do NYT, while Barry is trying to shut Fox out of all coverage/access to the WH.  Plenty of NYT access to the Bush WH, so to quote someone from SC, &#8220;YOU LIE!&#8221;</p>
<p>Second para is utter left-wing nonsense, promoted by all of your fab friends at MoveOn/Huffington/PRAVDA.  The Tea Parties sprang from the public backlash, and Fox was simply the first to cover them, and the only network to give them the coverage they deserved.</p>
<p>Paras 3-5 are, again, simple parroting of lefty tripe.  Nothing original there, but you are nothing original, RBB.</p>
<p>Paras 6-8 are a mix of lies and fanciful left-wing musings that, again, were originated by your lefty masters.  You need to come up with a new shtick, RBB.</p>
<p>Tell you what, though.  If you can give us some documentation regarding your opinions, I&#8217;ll be happy to pick it apart for you to show you how truly duped you have become.  Voluntarily duped, perhaps, but duped, nonetheless.  Mighty fine corn.</p>
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		<title>By: No Way!</title>
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		<dc:creator>No Way!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 00:45:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What do you mean?  Someone has to balence the bullsh#t that Rachel Maddow and Keith Olbermann spill on MSNBC every night.  I just think that it shows that we are really beginning to get to Obama.  He knows we reject his confused and America weakening policies!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What do you mean?  Someone has to balence the bullsh#t that Rachel Maddow and Keith Olbermann spill on MSNBC every night.  I just think that it shows that we are really beginning to get to Obama.  He knows we reject his confused and America weakening policies!</p>
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