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		<title>By: SAT Scores: SC Falls Further Behind &#124; South Carolina News Press &#124; South Carolina Breaking News Headlines &#124; SC</title>
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		<dc:creator>SAT Scores: SC Falls Further Behind &#124; South Carolina News Press &#124; South Carolina Breaking News Headlines &#124; SC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2011 14:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] nonetheless another year of record appropriation increases (and pronouncements of “progress” from status quo politicians), open propagandize students [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Dea</title>
		<link>http://www.fitsnews.com/2009/10/19/sc-education-funding-up-again/#comment-83173</link>
		<dc:creator>Dea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 18:00:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a parent and a volunteer with three children who have attended public school.  Overall I have been satisfied with the education my children have received and our oldest says he is well prepared for college, having achieved a GPA of 3.7 his first semester.  However many children are not doing well academically and we should all be alarmed.  These are the individuals who will be taking care of us as we grow old.   

There are many different reasons  students&#039; are not successful, both from within the home and school.  Yet spending time and energy pointing fingers does nothing for the morale of educators and the challenges they face in the classroomm, from kids who never do their homework, to the inability to use technology because of inadequate infastructures, to the absenteeism due to mold growing in the corners of the classroom and the bathrooms without working sinks, to the increase in behavioral and mental health problems caused by the break down of the family and the use of drugs and alcohol, to say nothing of the violence and pronography that is everywhere. 

Just like any well run business or home, it is important to have a continquency fund.  That 800 million is spread over 83 school districts and is needed to be assured bond rating for school contruction, as well as protection against the legislature who frequently makes changes in the amount of funds promised after districts&#039; budgets have  been set and hiring and purchasing has already taken place each year.  And besides doe your home cost you more to run, has the purchase of a car gone up, do you spend more for groceries, is your insurance more costly, do you every get a raise at work- why wouldn&#039;t the cost of educating our children  increase also? 

If one needs to point a finger- it should be at our legislature who has not had the courage to address the complicated and out of date school funding forumla for SC.  Just like in a Doctors office - more regulations and rules adopted the more people and funds you need to oversee the quality of the services and the collection of payment.


It is the legislators who are putting forth the laws, testing requirements, accountability and regulations for education. Administrators are there to implement the laws. State employees do not have the right to publically speak out for or against the decisions made by the legislature and the governor.  The change from PAST to PASS required legislative action. 

Don&#039;t get me wrong there are good things that have come out from standardized testing and accountability.  Today in South Carolina no matter what public school you attend, you are  taught from the same educational standards.  Yes some teachers are better than others and some administrators are better than others, but isn&#039;t that true in any setting?  Sometimes we have to teach our children to rise above the shortcoming of a teacher or program- it could help them to learn skills which will help them be resourceful and successful in the workforce. 

I am sure there are ways that we could all learn to be less wasteful of  resources and the money we spend, and its important to hold each other accountable.  But instead of spending our time making education a political issue, wouldn&#039;t it be wonderful if each one of us found a way to regularly give back to our community by volunteering at our public schools.  There are so many children that need a mentor or tutor.

As for how our nation ranks educationally- we are one of few countries in the world who believe that all children have the right to a quality  education.  So if we are giving standardized tests to all children in the U.S. and are trying to compare ourselves to only the best and the brightest in China or India of course our performance does not look as good.

As for South Carlonia- we are making progress.  But just becasue a law is passed doesn&#039;t mean that you have immediate improvements.  And until every school in the nation and every student attending takes the same standardized tests we will really never know exactly where South Carolina ranks.  When your trying something new or your boss ask you to do something a different way, or you ask someone you supervise to change how they do a task- do they do it perfectly the first time or even the second?
And we are adults.  So remember children come from all walks of life and from various levels of intelligence and it takes time to change.

What this state needs is doers without political motives not complainers.  Get out and reach out to a child who needs an encourager and supporter of their education.  It will make our State a better place for all of us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a parent and a volunteer with three children who have attended public school.  Overall I have been satisfied with the education my children have received and our oldest says he is well prepared for college, having achieved a GPA of 3.7 his first semester.  However many children are not doing well academically and we should all be alarmed.  These are the individuals who will be taking care of us as we grow old.   </p>
<p>There are many different reasons  students&#8217; are not successful, both from within the home and school.  Yet spending time and energy pointing fingers does nothing for the morale of educators and the challenges they face in the classroomm, from kids who never do their homework, to the inability to use technology because of inadequate infastructures, to the absenteeism due to mold growing in the corners of the classroom and the bathrooms without working sinks, to the increase in behavioral and mental health problems caused by the break down of the family and the use of drugs and alcohol, to say nothing of the violence and pronography that is everywhere. </p>
<p>Just like any well run business or home, it is important to have a continquency fund.  That 800 million is spread over 83 school districts and is needed to be assured bond rating for school contruction, as well as protection against the legislature who frequently makes changes in the amount of funds promised after districts&#8217; budgets have  been set and hiring and purchasing has already taken place each year.  And besides doe your home cost you more to run, has the purchase of a car gone up, do you spend more for groceries, is your insurance more costly, do you every get a raise at work- why wouldn&#8217;t the cost of educating our children  increase also? </p>
<p>If one needs to point a finger- it should be at our legislature who has not had the courage to address the complicated and out of date school funding forumla for SC.  Just like in a Doctors office &#8211; more regulations and rules adopted the more people and funds you need to oversee the quality of the services and the collection of payment.</p>
<p>It is the legislators who are putting forth the laws, testing requirements, accountability and regulations for education. Administrators are there to implement the laws. State employees do not have the right to publically speak out for or against the decisions made by the legislature and the governor.  The change from PAST to PASS required legislative action. </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong there are good things that have come out from standardized testing and accountability.  Today in South Carolina no matter what public school you attend, you are  taught from the same educational standards.  Yes some teachers are better than others and some administrators are better than others, but isn&#8217;t that true in any setting?  Sometimes we have to teach our children to rise above the shortcoming of a teacher or program- it could help them to learn skills which will help them be resourceful and successful in the workforce. </p>
<p>I am sure there are ways that we could all learn to be less wasteful of  resources and the money we spend, and its important to hold each other accountable.  But instead of spending our time making education a political issue, wouldn&#8217;t it be wonderful if each one of us found a way to regularly give back to our community by volunteering at our public schools.  There are so many children that need a mentor or tutor.</p>
<p>As for how our nation ranks educationally- we are one of few countries in the world who believe that all children have the right to a quality  education.  So if we are giving standardized tests to all children in the U.S. and are trying to compare ourselves to only the best and the brightest in China or India of course our performance does not look as good.</p>
<p>As for South Carlonia- we are making progress.  But just becasue a law is passed doesn&#8217;t mean that you have immediate improvements.  And until every school in the nation and every student attending takes the same standardized tests we will really never know exactly where South Carolina ranks.  When your trying something new or your boss ask you to do something a different way, or you ask someone you supervise to change how they do a task- do they do it perfectly the first time or even the second?<br />
And we are adults.  So remember children come from all walks of life and from various levels of intelligence and it takes time to change.</p>
<p>What this state needs is doers without political motives not complainers.  Get out and reach out to a child who needs an encourager and supporter of their education.  It will make our State a better place for all of us.</p>
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		<title>By: Eye on the Tiger</title>
		<link>http://www.fitsnews.com/2009/10/19/sc-education-funding-up-again/#comment-73017</link>
		<dc:creator>Eye on the Tiger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 19:34:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What ever came of the suit against Clemson University for hiding $80 million from the South Carolina taxpayers while telling the state they were broke?  More importantly, what ever came of the money?

http://media.www.tigertownobserver.com/media/storage/paper1123/news/2008/03/04/NewsAndOpinion/Clemson.Lawsuit.Update-3251057.shtml#5</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What ever came of the suit against Clemson University for hiding $80 million from the South Carolina taxpayers while telling the state they were broke?  More importantly, what ever came of the money?</p>
<p><a href="http://media.www.tigertownobserver.com/media/storage/paper1123/news/2008/03/04/NewsAndOpinion/Clemson.Lawsuit.Update-3251057.shtml#5" rel="nofollow">http://media.www.tigertownobserver.com/media/storage/paper1123/news/2008/03/04/NewsAndOpinion/Clemson.Lawsuit.Update-3251057.shtml#5</a></p>
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		<title>By: baker</title>
		<link>http://www.fitsnews.com/2009/10/19/sc-education-funding-up-again/#comment-72767</link>
		<dc:creator>baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 23:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First-hand knowledge guy: I figure that if you have worked in a poor, rural SC district, you realize that few &quot;choices&quot; actually exist for parents and students. And that may, in fact, be zero private school choices for students with the lowest grades and test scores.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First-hand knowledge guy: I figure that if you have worked in a poor, rural SC district, you realize that few &#8220;choices&#8221; actually exist for parents and students. And that may, in fact, be zero private school choices for students with the lowest grades and test scores.</p>
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		<title>By: First Hand Experience</title>
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		<dc:creator>First Hand Experience</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 14:36:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having taught in the &quot;premier&quot; district and in one of the rural districts in SC, I&#039;ve seen first hand that the level of education isn&#039;t proportional to the amount of money spent in a classroom. The level of education in a classroom is dependent upon the level of commitment by the teacher, the students and the students&#039; parents.  Also, the number of administrators or specialists in a district contribute very little to the educational experiences in a classroom.  If all of the copier paper at district offices was confiscated and internet access was limited to one hour a day, the level of administrative assistance in the classrooms might increase tremendously.  Attend a PTA meeting and survey the crowd.  They know which teachers are earning their salary, because they&#039;ve experienced the results.  They know which administrators are truly contributing to their children&#039;s education and which are holding down chairs in front of computer screens and consulting with the NEA or government &quot;high command&quot; for their next dictated action. 

IF the BIN News editorial staff supports the new health care plans, then they should also support the voucher system.  If competition in the health care system by adding a government funded option to the private options is a great thing, then provide the same choices in the education system by allowing the public to choose between public and private options.  Seems like a double standard to me to support it in one area but not in another.  Parents should be responsible for their child&#039;s education, and should be allowed to choose how THEIR tax dollars are spent in educating THEIR child.  Currently, most parents think it is the responsibility of the government to educate their children for them, because the government told them that was the government&#039;s responsibilty.  If you put the responsibility back on the parents, then they will take a more active interest in the matter rather than expecting the government schools to handle it.  If folks are smart enough to choose a health care plan, I think they are smart enough to survey the options and choose the best educational plan for their own children whether it be the failing public one they are zoned for, or another public school, or a private one.  A chance at personal responsibility might be educational in and of itself and motivate a higher level of interest and participation!  Good choices equal good consequences.  Bad choices equal bad consequences.  Bad consequences are unpleasant and to be avoided, so choose carefully from now on.  Very simple concept, but the government doesn&#039;t seem to get it because it is too busy trying to choose for everyone.  Additionally, all teachers would have a new motivation for improvement.  If schools are financially dependent upon good reputations based on good results, then the &quot;dead wood&quot; in the system will be eliminated.  Teach effectively or find another job.  Wages are earned, not given for attendance.

Am I the only one that notices the &quot;forked tongue&quot; position on these two topics?

Oh, Cooter, better take that gun down from the mantle so&#039;s the gubment men cain&#039;t find it when they cums fo it.  Go hides it &#039;tween the mattresses and scrounge you up as much ammo as you can buys fo it gits regulated too!  Gather the chilruns arouns and reads &#039;em the Constitution, since they ain&#039;t seed it at skool.  Lets &#039;em no dat they doos have rights dat they needs to be figurin on protectin fo they gits gone.  Then reads from duh Good Book an learn &#039;em how to behave and love one another.  Learn &#039;em that life&#039;s a precious gift from duh Good Lord,  so&#039;s they don&#039;t go shootin&#039; and killin&#039; nobody fo no good reason atall or abortin no precious babies.  Hug &#039;em close an let &#039;em know theys special an loved and ought to be proud to be yo chile and live in the greatest country in thu whole wide world.  Tell &#039;em you &#039;pect &#039;em to grows tall an strong sos they can work hard and EARN a livin&#039; and keep the &#039;ol USA a great place to live.  They don&#039;t learn &#039;em that at skool neither.  Make &#039;em doos they homework an studies hard sos they can knows when theys tryin to be fooled.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having taught in the &#8220;premier&#8221; district and in one of the rural districts in SC, I&#8217;ve seen first hand that the level of education isn&#8217;t proportional to the amount of money spent in a classroom. The level of education in a classroom is dependent upon the level of commitment by the teacher, the students and the students&#8217; parents.  Also, the number of administrators or specialists in a district contribute very little to the educational experiences in a classroom.  If all of the copier paper at district offices was confiscated and internet access was limited to one hour a day, the level of administrative assistance in the classrooms might increase tremendously.  Attend a PTA meeting and survey the crowd.  They know which teachers are earning their salary, because they&#8217;ve experienced the results.  They know which administrators are truly contributing to their children&#8217;s education and which are holding down chairs in front of computer screens and consulting with the NEA or government &#8220;high command&#8221; for their next dictated action. </p>
<p>IF the BIN News editorial staff supports the new health care plans, then they should also support the voucher system.  If competition in the health care system by adding a government funded option to the private options is a great thing, then provide the same choices in the education system by allowing the public to choose between public and private options.  Seems like a double standard to me to support it in one area but not in another.  Parents should be responsible for their child&#8217;s education, and should be allowed to choose how THEIR tax dollars are spent in educating THEIR child.  Currently, most parents think it is the responsibility of the government to educate their children for them, because the government told them that was the government&#8217;s responsibilty.  If you put the responsibility back on the parents, then they will take a more active interest in the matter rather than expecting the government schools to handle it.  If folks are smart enough to choose a health care plan, I think they are smart enough to survey the options and choose the best educational plan for their own children whether it be the failing public one they are zoned for, or another public school, or a private one.  A chance at personal responsibility might be educational in and of itself and motivate a higher level of interest and participation!  Good choices equal good consequences.  Bad choices equal bad consequences.  Bad consequences are unpleasant and to be avoided, so choose carefully from now on.  Very simple concept, but the government doesn&#8217;t seem to get it because it is too busy trying to choose for everyone.  Additionally, all teachers would have a new motivation for improvement.  If schools are financially dependent upon good reputations based on good results, then the &#8220;dead wood&#8221; in the system will be eliminated.  Teach effectively or find another job.  Wages are earned, not given for attendance.</p>
<p>Am I the only one that notices the &#8220;forked tongue&#8221; position on these two topics?</p>
<p>Oh, Cooter, better take that gun down from the mantle so&#8217;s the gubment men cain&#8217;t find it when they cums fo it.  Go hides it &#8216;tween the mattresses and scrounge you up as much ammo as you can buys fo it gits regulated too!  Gather the chilruns arouns and reads &#8216;em the Constitution, since they ain&#8217;t seed it at skool.  Lets &#8216;em no dat they doos have rights dat they needs to be figurin on protectin fo they gits gone.  Then reads from duh Good Book an learn &#8216;em how to behave and love one another.  Learn &#8216;em that life&#8217;s a precious gift from duh Good Lord,  so&#8217;s they don&#8217;t go shootin&#8217; and killin&#8217; nobody fo no good reason atall or abortin no precious babies.  Hug &#8216;em close an let &#8216;em know theys special an loved and ought to be proud to be yo chile and live in the greatest country in thu whole wide world.  Tell &#8216;em you &#8216;pect &#8216;em to grows tall an strong sos they can work hard and EARN a livin&#8217; and keep the &#8216;ol USA a great place to live.  They don&#8217;t learn &#8216;em that at skool neither.  Make &#8216;em doos they homework an studies hard sos they can knows when theys tryin to be fooled.</p>
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		<title>By: Cooter Brown</title>
		<link>http://www.fitsnews.com/2009/10/19/sc-education-funding-up-again/#comment-72586</link>
		<dc:creator>Cooter Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 10:26:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mista By No Way! --
I ain&#039;t gots no citie-slicker AK-47, but I do gots a shotgun dat&#039;s sure t&#039; cure anie lingerin&#039; doubts about my posishun on skool fundin&#039; should sum gob&#039;mint theif come a callin&#039; on me at my farm!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mista By No Way! &#8211;<br />
I ain&#8217;t gots no citie-slicker AK-47, but I do gots a shotgun dat&#8217;s sure t&#8217; cure anie lingerin&#8217; doubts about my posishun on skool fundin&#8217; should sum gob&#8217;mint theif come a callin&#8217; on me at my farm!</p>
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		<title>By: John Steinberger</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Steinberger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 07:54:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We need the common sense of a classroom teacher to sweep the educrats out the door and improve our schools.  Check out www.votekellypayne.com!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We need the common sense of a classroom teacher to sweep the educrats out the door and improve our schools.  Check out <a href="http://www.votekellypayne.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.votekellypayne.com</a>!</p>
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		<title>By: baker</title>
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		<dc:creator>baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 01:26:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding your question about how much &quot;administration&quot; should get vs. &quot;instruction,&quot; I suspect that most all districts could trim some fat. I&#039;m fine with you there. But how much? I&#039;m not sure things are at all what you seem to be claiming. 

Partly, the issue is what&#039;s included in the &quot;administration&quot; category. I suspect that includes guidance counselors, for example, though I honestly do not know. Those are people who provide an important service to children -- and their positions are required by law. 

The other thing about administration is that it depends greatly on how those positions are used. I&#039;ve worked in schools -- and the places where assistant principals really enforce discipline, those schools really, really benefit. I think teachers would agree that it&#039;s absolutely worth paying those folks to do that job. Unfortunately, that isn&#039;t the case in all schools. Administrators CAN offer great support to teachers (discipline, help with bureaucratic paperwork required by the state or feds, building relationships with parents, etc.) that make a difference in teachers&#039; ability to do their jobs successfully. 

It&#039;s also true, of course, that the numbers come out the way they do, in part, because most administrators make more money than teachers. I&#039;m not necessarily crazy about this. But that&#039;s pretty much the way things work in all organizations, whether governments, non-profit, or for-profit. And it is a fact that school administrators generally work more days than teachers -- they&#039;re usually on 12-month calendars -- so that justifies some of it. 

So, sure, I get the stuff about cutting administrative and &quot;educrat&quot; costs. But things aren&#039;t always as they seem. And without knowing what, more specifically, is included in the category called &quot;administrative&quot; costs, it&#039;s hard for to pinpoint and describe exactly what is going on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding your question about how much &#8220;administration&#8221; should get vs. &#8220;instruction,&#8221; I suspect that most all districts could trim some fat. I&#8217;m fine with you there. But how much? I&#8217;m not sure things are at all what you seem to be claiming. </p>
<p>Partly, the issue is what&#8217;s included in the &#8220;administration&#8221; category. I suspect that includes guidance counselors, for example, though I honestly do not know. Those are people who provide an important service to children &#8212; and their positions are required by law. </p>
<p>The other thing about administration is that it depends greatly on how those positions are used. I&#8217;ve worked in schools &#8212; and the places where assistant principals really enforce discipline, those schools really, really benefit. I think teachers would agree that it&#8217;s absolutely worth paying those folks to do that job. Unfortunately, that isn&#8217;t the case in all schools. Administrators CAN offer great support to teachers (discipline, help with bureaucratic paperwork required by the state or feds, building relationships with parents, etc.) that make a difference in teachers&#8217; ability to do their jobs successfully. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s also true, of course, that the numbers come out the way they do, in part, because most administrators make more money than teachers. I&#8217;m not necessarily crazy about this. But that&#8217;s pretty much the way things work in all organizations, whether governments, non-profit, or for-profit. And it is a fact that school administrators generally work more days than teachers &#8212; they&#8217;re usually on 12-month calendars &#8212; so that justifies some of it. </p>
<p>So, sure, I get the stuff about cutting administrative and &#8220;educrat&#8221; costs. But things aren&#8217;t always as they seem. And without knowing what, more specifically, is included in the category called &#8220;administrative&#8221; costs, it&#8217;s hard for to pinpoint and describe exactly what is going on.</p>
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		<title>By: No Way!</title>
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		<dc:creator>No Way!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 00:50:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What kinda shotgun does Cooter have over the mantle?  Is it a AK-47?</description>
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		<title>By: Hello</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hello</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 23:36:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why are people so blind to the school sham concerning administrators. In Spartanburg, there are 7 districts. Thats 6 more than in Greenville. So, you have 7 supers (making lots of cash$$$), an untold number of assistant supers, and on and on.....Teachers need to paid well for what they put up with. I have no idea how administration salaries grew out of control the way they have. Heck, district 5 in Sptbg has an 80K a year athelitic coordinator. Just think how that reflects on people coming to SC to open businesses. 80K a year, but can&#039;t get teachers to the Southeastern average. I bet the admins are above the SE average, as well as the AD for district 5.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why are people so blind to the school sham concerning administrators. In Spartanburg, there are 7 districts. Thats 6 more than in Greenville. So, you have 7 supers (making lots of cash$$$), an untold number of assistant supers, and on and on&#8230;..Teachers need to paid well for what they put up with. I have no idea how administration salaries grew out of control the way they have. Heck, district 5 in Sptbg has an 80K a year athelitic coordinator. Just think how that reflects on people coming to SC to open businesses. 80K a year, but can&#8217;t get teachers to the Southeastern average. I bet the admins are above the SE average, as well as the AD for district 5.</p>
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