Comments on: S.C. SAT Scores Drop For Third Straight Year http://www.fitsnews.com/2009/08/25/s-c-sat-scores-drop-for-third-straight-year/ Politics, Sports and Pop Culture Wed, 15 Feb 2012 01:00:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Workin' Tommy C http://www.fitsnews.com/2009/08/25/s-c-sat-scores-drop-for-third-straight-year/#comment-65699 Workin' Tommy C Wed, 26 Aug 2009 15:23:29 +0000 http://www.fitsnews.com/?p=27928#comment-65699 To be fair, as pointed out above, the comparison with other states is completely unfair. If we're going to make every student take the test in SC, we should apply it exclusively to the group that we spend most of our education dollars on: mid-level, non-teaching, breathing our air, bureaucratic no-loads! I'm not saying that would improve the scores that way. They'd probably still suck just like they suck up nearly all of our education dollars. What we need to do is to cut the waste, make the test voluntary, and otherwise quit slitting our own throats in the world of spurious statistics and other silliness in the effort to compare our governmental body parts with those of other states. (We should also offer the ACT as an alternative--I got to take either or both voluntarily when I was in Alabama's school system in High School. I opted for the ACT as a fairer assessment.) Not saying it happens now but when taking the standardized tests during junior high and high school (done purely for assessment purposes) on more than one occasion, I purposely checked answers at random to get it out of the way. That took one 98th percentile student down to the 36th percentile. The way I looked at it, I worked hard enough as it was on real tests that actually affected my grades and wasn't going to strain my brain on yet more testing which was stressful enough. I am not trying to justify my slight sabotage job as a minor when I state that we worry waaaaaay too much about chasing education dollars with such testing statistics, anyway. That's what a huge, bulging mid-level non-teaching educational bureaucracy reaps for us. They don't have enough to do LIKE ACTUALLY TEACHING! Instead, those no-loads can always point at the poor scores and demand money. If we were to actually improve by instituting a common sense, frugal, disciplined, and lean teaching establishment, the no-loads figure they wouldn't have any rationale at all for having a job, much less getting any additional money. After all, it's so undignified to BEG for anything when they can sabotage the statistics as well as the learning process and DEMAND that we help the children. They cry about the children all the way to the bank, I'm sure. To be fair, as pointed out above, the comparison with other states is completely unfair. If we’re going to make every student take the test in SC, we should apply it exclusively to the group that we spend most of our education dollars on: mid-level, non-teaching, breathing our air, bureaucratic no-loads! I’m not saying that would improve the scores that way. They’d probably still suck just like they suck up nearly all of our education dollars.

What we need to do is to cut the waste, make the test voluntary, and otherwise quit slitting our own throats in the world of spurious statistics and other silliness in the effort to compare our governmental body parts with those of other states.

(We should also offer the ACT as an alternative–I got to take either or both voluntarily when I was in Alabama’s school system in High School. I opted for the ACT as a fairer assessment.)

Not saying it happens now but when taking the standardized tests during junior high and high school (done purely for assessment purposes) on more than one occasion, I purposely checked answers at random to get it out of the way.

That took one 98th percentile student down to the 36th percentile. The way I looked at it, I worked hard enough as it was on real tests that actually affected my grades and wasn’t going to strain my brain on yet more testing which was stressful enough.

I am not trying to justify my slight sabotage job as a minor when I state that we worry waaaaaay too much about chasing education dollars with such testing statistics, anyway. That’s what a huge, bulging mid-level non-teaching educational bureaucracy reaps for us. They don’t have enough to do LIKE ACTUALLY TEACHING! Instead, those no-loads can always point at the poor scores and demand money.

If we were to actually improve by instituting a common sense, frugal, disciplined, and lean teaching establishment, the no-loads figure they wouldn’t have any rationale at all for having a job, much less getting any additional money. After all, it’s so undignified to BEG for anything when they can sabotage the statistics as well as the learning process and DEMAND that we help the children. They cry about the children all the way to the bank, I’m sure.

]]> By: BIN News Editorial Staff http://www.fitsnews.com/2009/08/25/s-c-sat-scores-drop-for-third-straight-year/#comment-65626 BIN News Editorial Staff Wed, 26 Aug 2009 02:17:26 +0000 http://www.fitsnews.com/?p=27928#comment-65626 Because sic(k) willie is nothing but a pimp for Howie's voucher scam he ignores the fact that SC private school SAT scores are down 22 points. http://www.thestate.com/breaking/story/915490.html Down 22 points!! Gosh! Gee! sic(k) willie, you "ignorant slut." You must address that! Certainly Howie's voucher clowns at Voice for Voucher Scams have some BS rhetoric for you to pimp. sic(k) willie, the voucher scam has been exposed in S.C., and it's dead. And, you've been exposed in S.C. just like markie-mark sanfraud. Frauds and political pimps in S.C. should form a PAC. Ohhh. Sorry. They already have. THE S.C. Policy Scam Council THE Voice for Voucher Scams THE Citizens for (Ir)Responsible Guver'n'ment And watch for the next astroturf organization: P.P.S.D.H.V.S.M. Political Pimps Sucking Down Howie's Voucher Scam Money BIN News Editorial Staff Flair and Balanced Because sic(k) willie is nothing but a pimp for Howie’s voucher scam he ignores the fact that SC private school SAT scores are down 22 points.

http://www.thestate.com/breaking/story/915490.html

Down 22 points!! Gosh! Gee!

sic(k) willie, you “ignorant slut.”

You must address that! Certainly Howie’s voucher clowns at Voice for Voucher Scams have some BS rhetoric for you to pimp.

sic(k) willie, the voucher scam has been exposed in S.C., and it’s dead.

And, you’ve been exposed in S.C. just like markie-mark sanfraud.

Frauds and political pimps in S.C. should form a PAC.

Ohhh. Sorry. They already have.

THE S.C. Policy Scam Council
THE Voice for Voucher Scams
THE Citizens for (Ir)Responsible Guver’n'ment

And watch for the next astroturf organization: P.P.S.D.H.V.S.M.

Political Pimps Sucking Down Howie’s Voucher Scam Money

BIN News Editorial Staff
Flair and Balanced

]]> By: Gillon http://www.fitsnews.com/2009/08/25/s-c-sat-scores-drop-for-third-straight-year/#comment-65608 Gillon Tue, 25 Aug 2009 23:42:29 +0000 http://www.fitsnews.com/?p=27928#comment-65608 Thanks for the info HMMM--very interesting. Can't imagine why Sic wouldn't let his readers in on that information. What say thou Sic? Any explanation, defense, excuse for: 1. Why you kept the info secret? 2. Why SC private schools fare no better in a national comparison than public ones? 3. Why SC taxpayers should subsidize through vouchers "failing private schools" when it appears they rate no better among their national peers than public ones? Thanks for the info HMMM–very interesting. Can’t imagine why Sic wouldn’t let his readers in on that information. What say thou Sic? Any explanation, defense, excuse for:
1. Why you kept the info secret?
2. Why SC private schools fare no better in a national comparison than public ones?
3. Why SC taxpayers should subsidize through vouchers “failing private schools” when it appears they rate no better among their national peers than public ones?

]]> By: HMMM http://www.fitsnews.com/2009/08/25/s-c-sat-scores-drop-for-third-straight-year/#comment-65602 HMMM Tue, 25 Aug 2009 22:43:09 +0000 http://www.fitsnews.com/?p=27928#comment-65602 Ron: I don't have any idea, and I've never spoken to anyone who did. Ron: I don’t have any idea, and I’ve never spoken to anyone who did.

]]> By: Ron http://www.fitsnews.com/2009/08/25/s-c-sat-scores-drop-for-third-straight-year/#comment-65596 Ron Tue, 25 Aug 2009 20:41:33 +0000 http://www.fitsnews.com/?p=27928#comment-65596 HMMM: To what do you atribute the low standing among parochial and independent schools? HMMM:
To what do you atribute the low standing among parochial and independent schools?

]]> By: lkmurrayfan http://www.fitsnews.com/2009/08/25/s-c-sat-scores-drop-for-third-straight-year/#comment-65590 lkmurrayfan Tue, 25 Aug 2009 20:18:55 +0000 http://www.fitsnews.com/?p=27928#comment-65590 Not every child goes to college but SC High Schools are "encouraged" by the state dept for all to take the tests - why is that? Then we look like dolts compared to the rest of the country - Maine doesn't make every high schooler take these tests but we're ranked against them like they do. Also, a lot of smart kids have ditched the SAT for the ACT - shorter test, also works for scholarships and it's not an aptitude test but an assessment test - there really is a difference. Not every child goes to college but SC High Schools are “encouraged” by the state dept for all to take the tests – why is that? Then we look like dolts compared to the rest of the country – Maine doesn’t make every high schooler take these tests but we’re ranked against them like they do. Also, a lot of smart kids have ditched the SAT for the ACT – shorter test, also works for scholarships and it’s not an aptitude test but an assessment test – there really is a difference.

]]> By: HMMM http://www.fitsnews.com/2009/08/25/s-c-sat-scores-drop-for-third-straight-year/#comment-65578 HMMM Tue, 25 Aug 2009 18:42:47 +0000 http://www.fitsnews.com/?p=27928#comment-65578 The College Board reports private school SAT performance, too. Since Sic left that part out, here's where we stand. Parochial: 45th in the nation, down 7 points, 34 point gap to national average Independent: 49th in the nation, down 38 points, 175 point gap to national average. The College Board reports private school SAT performance, too. Since Sic left that part out, here’s where we stand.

Parochial: 45th in the nation, down 7 points, 34 point gap to national average
Independent: 49th in the nation, down 38 points, 175 point gap to national average.

]]> By: Ron http://www.fitsnews.com/2009/08/25/s-c-sat-scores-drop-for-third-straight-year/#comment-65577 Ron Tue, 25 Aug 2009 18:39:33 +0000 http://www.fitsnews.com/?p=27928#comment-65577 Great post Will, Now they'll tell us that if we spend 15k per child per year in SC, our schools will become superior. Oh and I've got some beautiful land in the Everglades to sell anyone that's interested. LOL Great post Will,
Now they’ll tell us that if we spend 15k per child per year in SC, our schools will become superior. Oh and I’ve got some beautiful land in the Everglades to sell anyone that’s interested. LOL

]]> By: Between Scylla and Charybdis http://www.fitsnews.com/2009/08/25/s-c-sat-scores-drop-for-third-straight-year/#comment-65569 Between Scylla and Charybdis Tue, 25 Aug 2009 16:49:11 +0000 http://www.fitsnews.com/?p=27928#comment-65569 Save yourselves, young, altruistic types. Back when the world was young, I became certfied in order to teach in SC schools. After surviving a violent attack from a student who was not punished, I resigned. Now I can't make a livable wage in private schools, I can't send my own child to private school because I have no money, and I can't send my child to our pos schools where violence and stupidity reign. I should have joined the Peace Corps. At least malaria and parasites are temporary! Save yourselves, young, altruistic types. Back when the world was young, I became certfied in order to teach in SC schools. After surviving a violent attack from a student who was not punished, I resigned. Now I can’t make a livable wage in private schools, I can’t send my own child to private school because I have no money, and I can’t send my child to our pos schools where violence and stupidity reign. I should have joined the Peace Corps. At least malaria and parasites are temporary!

]]> By: Mike http://www.fitsnews.com/2009/08/25/s-c-sat-scores-drop-for-third-straight-year/#comment-65566 Mike Tue, 25 Aug 2009 16:24:32 +0000 http://www.fitsnews.com/?p=27928#comment-65566 You will no doubt now suffer the aspersions of the educrats for discussing this, so let me beat them to the punch: Oh, you and your love for vouchers (yes, I know there was no mention of vouchers in this piece). It's Howard Rich's fault. We should just spend more per-pupil, since thus far the more we spend the lower our scores/grad rates fall. Oh, and for Bin NEWS- voucher scam, voucher scam, balh, blah, blah... You will no doubt now suffer the aspersions of the educrats for discussing this, so let me beat them to the punch:

Oh, you and your love for vouchers (yes, I know there was no mention of vouchers in this piece).

It’s Howard Rich’s fault.

We should just spend more per-pupil, since thus far the more we spend the lower our scores/grad rates fall.

Oh, and for Bin NEWS- voucher scam, voucher scam, balh, blah, blah…

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