Thou Shalt Not …
The murder of a late-term abortionist in Wichita, Kansas has reignited a debate over America’s most contentious issue – setting the stage for a protracted national discussion on abortion that could even make its way into Senate hearings for the new U.S. Supreme Court nominee.
But should it?
We’re not trying to be flippant here, but is this really worth it? What we mean is, can’t everybody pretty much agree that it’s wrong to kill somebody in cold blood and move on?
Not surprisingly, dozens of right-to-life groups immediately joined President Barack Obama in condemning the murder of George Tiller. Good for them (and him). Tiller’s murder is an act of barbarism worthy of universal condemnation.
That should be the end of our story, right?
Wrong. In a nation that loves to wag its finger at what is arguably its most fundamental right (i.e. to live), Tiller’s murder is made for prime time.
It’s a political opening – an exploitable, made for TV martyrdom for those looking to score points in the pro-choice movement, and of course it feeds off of statements made by inbred-looking, fringe pro-lifers to the effect that Tiller “had it coming.”
And while we have no problem agreeing with that statement (he did have it coming), there’s a key caveat to it – one that far too many of these Bible-thumping “Pharisees-in-overalls” conveniently ignore.
Everybody “has it coming.” Including them.
Did Tiller perform God knows how many savage late-term murders on viable fetuses? Sure. Were his murders among the least-defensible killings in a protracted, legalized Holocaust that each year claims hundreds of thousands of lives? Absolutely.
But did Tiller deserve to be gunned down?
No more than anyone who already today has muttered something under their breath in traffic, sent an angry e-mail to a colleague, looked with lust in their hearts at a married man or woman (hey, how you?), or committed any of the million-and-one “little sins” that – according to Christian doctrine – should condemn us to a fiery eternity.
Oddly enough, it was Christ himself (presumably without his Detroit Tigers hat on) who said “let him who is without sin cast the first stone.”
And “judge not lest ye be judged.”
And “render to Caesar what is Caesar’s.” Or something pro-government to that effect that we sometimes wish he hadn’t said.
In other words, until such time as this awful practice is outlawed (and its practitioners subjected to criminal charges) this sort of vigilante justice is every bit as wrong as the “crimes” Tiller was commiting.
Seriously, even Batman knows that his job is to catch people, lasso them up and leave them for the cops.
Outside of the court system, you simply cannot protect life by taking it.
Only God gets to do that.
For that latest on the Tiller drama, check out the Wichita Eagle …
Comments
By male sapphist on June 1st, 2009 at 1:09 pm
I wonder if putting your rifle butt in Eichman’s face would be murder too? Maybe Mengele would not ‘have it coming’? This ‘dr’ Tiller was a monster bragging about the hundreds of abortions he COMMITTED in a single day.
Maybe by being shot he had time to repent…something that getting creamed in a automobile wreck would not allow. Maybe his murder saved his eternal soul otherwise I can not imagine anyone in the modern age that could receive a more brutal judgment by God.
I do not fully understand a prolife group abhoring the loss of ole doc tiller. All those little people on the schedule to be ripped apart Monday probably thank the guy whom brought Herr Tiller back to room temperature. God only knows the magnitude of the destruction Tiller committed all from his ‘flyover country’ death camp.
At least we know he was a good democrat. We used to say that Drs bury their mistakes…Doc Tiller burned the bodies in his own on site crematorium. He was a monster. RIP or Torment; Justice is served in the afterlife.
By Liberty for me on June 1st, 2009 at 1:42 pm
I have no sympathy for this man…I think this is just a case of REAL late term abortion
By Fashizzle on June 1st, 2009 at 3:23 pm
You equate abortion with murder. So your plan is to show the world murder is wrong by murdering others? Um, I’m confused.
By James the Foot Soldier on June 1st, 2009 at 5:37 pm
Let’s recap the numbers:
7 pro abortionists have died in the last 15 years at the hands of folks taking justice into their own hands.
20 MILLION babies have died in the last 15 years at the hands of abortionists practicing their version of “health care”.
The ultimate irony is the murdering abortionist was murdered in a Luthern church.
CHANGE is in the air for babies HOPING to be born in Kansas. See what having President Obama can do for a country? :)
By Gillon on June 1st, 2009 at 6:04 pm
So, here’s a question for male sapphist, Liberty, and James: Do the millions of women who have allowed their fetuses to be aborted deserve to be murdered as well? (and this comes from someone who is against abortion on demand)
By Um,no on June 1st, 2009 at 7:14 pm
You attract really reprehensible people here. Ever wonder why they feel comfortable with comments on this site as their outlet?
By Katherine Jenerette on June 1st, 2009 at 7:59 pm
As strongly as I condemn abortion I also as strongly believe in the rule of law.
As much as I support the right of the thousands of unborn and the thousands of disabled and elderly to have life – I have to support the right of one single doctor named George Tiller to his life; but not his practice.
However, as long as there are women and pandering men who identify both their personal lives and political identity on the right to kill the living they choose – that does not extend to me the moral high-ground to kill the living that I choose.
And likewise, because of the ‘Political Impotence’ of our Congress and the Federal judges’ who have repeatedly failed the test of Solomon and a single child, I cannot allow myself to be forced to blood but must stand by the notion that the right to life is the cornerstone of individual liberty and individual self government.
This is hard to put into words; but I think that this exchange from the movie A Man for All Seasons puts the rule of law into it’s proper perspective:
“William Roper: So, now you give the Devil the benefit of law!
Sir Thomas More: Yes! What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil?
William Roper: Yes, I’d cut down every law in England to do that!
Sir Thomas More: Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned ’round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country is planted thick with laws, from coast to coast, Man’s laws, not God’s! And if you cut them down, and you’re just the man to do it, do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I’d give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety’s sake!”
The law must be changed. If Tillers death is wrong then the blood on his hands is wrong too.
That’s all for now.
Katherine
By Mab on June 1st, 2009 at 8:33 pm
Amen, Katherine Jenerette. And — thanks for all you do for this country!
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Um,no…
We feel comfortable because we are exercising our freedom of speech. Does this threaten you? I brag on this site for this very reason. People are becoming frickin’ pansies all across this nation — and don’t speak their minds. THAT is what got us into the predicament we are in now in the first place.
By Liberty for me on June 1st, 2009 at 9:19 pm
I wish the people that bleed their hearts over this man where at the scene when he takes a newborn child and stabs them in the skull as they cry…then see how much sympathy you have…Yes..that is how some are done and it is murder..if you want to stick your head in the sand then do so..But don’t criticize people who speak their mind over a man as bad as Hitler…To answer responses to my comment.I never said he should be murdered,I said I have no sympathy for him.Take a look at this and you tell me how it is right or how it would not take an animal to do this or protect it.
http://www.nrlc.org/ABORTION/pba/diagram.html
By James the Foot Soldier on June 1st, 2009 at 10:11 pm
Gillon – I’ll answer your dumb ass question with a better question:
Wouldn’t simply saying no to the bro’ driving the jacked black escalade with tricked rims and a kick ass sound system that only plays the bass from 52 cent be a better form of contraception then killing the baby that resulted from their back seat frivolity?
By Gillon on June 2nd, 2009 at 7:57 am
James, Judging by the inaneness of your ideas, you are a good argument for abortion, or the other alternative that you suggest.
By The Truth on June 2nd, 2009 at 8:17 am
James the foot soldier (who has an avatar of a ship..lol) ..wtf does your obvious racism have to do with the discussion, you seem to imply only black girls have abortions? what a totally asinine comment. Please go back to kissin your cousin and bitchin about the uppity blacks. Male (toolbox) Sapphist, your comments don’t even make sense “at least he was a good democrat..” wtf are you smoking? These kind of comments are what make South Carolina the laughing stock of the country.
I love how all these so called Christians, lets call them pseudo Christians because that’s what they are; are supporting murder over rule of law. All because of a belief, seems like some chaps back in Germany in the 30s and 40s had the same thought process. Perhaps your are ideological cousins? (no that doesn’t meen you kissed them in the barn by the way..
I do not support abortion on demand but it is not my place to kill someone because they believe differently than I do. Ahhh call me crazy but isnt that kind of the point of America, to be able to have differing opinions without being shot for it? Any whacko that supports the nutjob who shot the doc, isnt worth the sweat off of my balls.
By Toyota Kawaski on June 2nd, 2009 at 8:36 am
Two wrongs dont make a right.
By Rick on June 2nd, 2009 at 10:44 am
So the question now comes, at what point is the killing of another human being acceptable? Should we have waged war with Germany? Should we have removed Saddam from power? Should we kill the Taliban? Does the murder of 6 million Jews mean we’re justified in the Nuremberg trials to sentence men to death? Is the murder of a baby of no value to us? At what point is the result to justify the action? While thousands of babies will live without this monster’s actions, we are the reason he and his kind remain in business. I think that part of the equation we’re not discussing is, who is going to take care of this child? I think that at times the sacrifice of one man is of value to the society at large. Just call me a throwback…I find value in the killing of the scum of society. We just have to be careful to define who the scum are. So far, as a society we tolerate all sorts of abhorent behavior while convincing ourselves of the behaviors value. We bleed for the child rapist, the serial killer, the white slaver, why….because we’re told to, and we fail to fight the absurdity. Again, who is responsible? Again, we are, because we submit and accept that monsters have the right to reside among us…so go ahead and argue. People continue to die….and murderers laugh at our foolishness.
By Fashizzle on June 2nd, 2009 at 11:06 am
Until the anti-abortion crusaders start adopting babies, please keep your hypocrisy in check. You don’t give a damn about the thousands of children already in foster care so spare us your moralizing on how you care so much.
Lack of education and early motherhood almost always translate into a lifetime of poverty for both mother and child. No one thinks abortion is a wonderful thing, but in some situations it makes sense.
Now please stop murdering those you disagree with.
By male sapphist on June 2nd, 2009 at 11:50 am
Hey Truthy-Since you called me out by name.. Tiller was a very good democrat. He ran his own political action committee. He was a huge supporter of the Clintons and especially our new health and human services director Kathleen Sebelius. Tiller was more than just a good democrat he was a high priest of the democrats. Their religion is liberalism and abortion is their sacrament.
Eugenics, abortion, and worship at the altar of the state makes the democrats, in my view, largely a death cult. They are no better than the Taliban.
By Liberty for me on June 2nd, 2009 at 1:06 pm
Fashizzle and Gillion and all the rest of you shallow people.. We are talking about full grown baby killing (children)…not first tri fetus.If killing a full grown baby isn’t murder,when is it murder? If its about worth of life and adoption, then lets keep the babies and kill the homeless and mentally ill…where does your ethics start??.Maybe your IQ is low enough we should kill you.Lets start now with standards on who should die and lets see where you fall and how you like it.I’m for killing all the socialists…so you are one vote down already
By James the Foot Soldier on June 2nd, 2009 at 10:22 pm
Gillon – what the f*ck – you have no logical answer to a simple question?
Ratchet up your game you pathetic moron – do YOU prefer killing babies over simply saying “no”???
By James the Foot Soldier on June 2nd, 2009 at 10:25 pm
truth,
Your inability to comprehend the avatar actually displays YOUR lack of insight.
And please – point out my “obvious racism”? No where in my post did I mention race.
That black girls are the predominant beneficiaries of this form of “health care” ought to make the Jesse Jacksons of the world scream bloody murder. But the “REVEREND” looks the other way while his flock kill their babies.
And you have the gall to call ME a racist?
F*CK off asshole.
By Liberty for me on June 2nd, 2009 at 11:19 pm
James the Foot Soldier…Does this mean you are NOT sending flowers???
By The Truth on June 3rd, 2009 at 7:33 am
James..the fact you call people morons (Gillion) and assholes shows you have no real argument, you merely spew your political masturbation like some 12 yr old and then rant on some off topic. Im sure your comment “Bros listening to 52 cent” wasn’t racially motivated just like your other off topic rant about Jesse jackson..wtf dumbass, how did jesse Jackson come up unless you have no argument and just revert to some childish hidden inside anger against things you dont understand. As far as your avatar jackass, if you had been a marine you would state james the marine and then your avatar would make sense, but since you are a poser who has never served this great country you just come off like a poser toolbox with childhood fantasys of being a soldier. And oh, if you have a problem come on down to Charleston and i would galdly meet with you to give you a free education. Until then JR..STFU and grow up toolbox!
By Rick on June 3rd, 2009 at 11:06 am
By Fashizzle….you’re right in one sense. We do need to revamp the whole adoption process within this country, but you must understand that this is a process run by feel good power players whose mantra is “its all about the kids”. We as the public must understand that the truth is…its not about the kids, its about power. When American citizens can more readily adopt overseas than they can in the US….something is wrong and needs fixed. But, where you’re wrong is in accepting the bad behavior that goes hand in hand with abortion. In an era of a multitude of contraceptive products, the shear number of abortions should tell even you that something is wrong with the moral imperative. To kill a child just because they’re inconvenient cannot be defended. When R-vs-W was decided, science hadn’t advanced to the point of determining where life begins. That science is now available. As far as lack of education and a lifetime of poverty…education through 12 years, free of charge is available to every citizen in this nation. If you choose to be ignorent then that under the constitution is your right. What is not right, is the concept that I should put away my beliefs simply because the individual isn’t smart enough to get educated and want to better themselves. The problems of the poor and uneducated are perpetuated within their communities even with billions of dollars being spent for the last 30 years of the great society programs. We’re largely off topic talking about the poor and stupid. Thus far you have failed to raise a reasoned argument in support of abortion, even though you have reacted emotionally. Like a firing within the company can be beneficial…so can a killing. And since you’re emotionally incensed….what’s your take on the soldiers being killed and wounded in Ark. Justified? Why is this a non-issue within the administration when the killing of a murderer is such a major issue? Wheres the outrage on the part of the left?
By James the Foot Soldier on June 3rd, 2009 at 6:53 pm
truth – Why are you angrier at the death of ONE person than I am at the death of MILLIONS of innocent babies?
Superb display of morals there.
That a super majority of those abortions happen to be black babies revolts me even further. What a racist I am for stating truth.
I reference the “REVERAND” Jackson and you cry like a school girl. Isn’t Jesse the head of the rainbow coalition and a renowned leader of African Americans? Wouldn’t he be the logical one to “man up” and say enough, given he is a man of the cloth and all?
Hyperbole aside – how about if YOU take a crack at my question: Do YOU prefer killing babies over simply saying “no”?
p.s….hate to break this to an old fart like yourself – but more white boys listen to 50 cent than black boys.
p.s.s. Gillon – to answer your initial question, no, I would not advocate death for any poor soul that chooses an abortion – life with that CHOICE on her conscience is a far greater sentence.
By male sapphist on June 9th, 2009 at 1:07 pm
This just in…Tiller’s abortion death camp to close and not reopen.