Comments on: Pelosi Shuts Up http://www.fitsnews.com/2009/05/22/pelosi-shuts-up/ Unfair ... Imbalanced Sun, 22 Nov 2009 06:38:09 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: CL http://www.fitsnews.com/2009/05/22/pelosi-shuts-up/comment-page-1/#comment-55332 CL Sun, 24 May 2009 12:14:02 +0000 http://www.fitsnews.com/?p=21882#comment-55332 Meant to post a link for that quote: http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009/may/15/pelosi-admits-waterboard-briefing/ Meant to post a link for that quote:

http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009/may/15/pelosi-admits-waterboard-briefing/

]]> By: CL http://www.fitsnews.com/2009/05/22/pelosi-shuts-up/comment-page-1/#comment-55245 CL Sat, 23 May 2009 12:30:44 +0000 http://www.fitsnews.com/?p=21882#comment-55245 Dixie, "House Speaker Nancy Pelosi on Thursday acknowledged for the first time that in 2003 she was told waterboarding and other tough tactics were being used on suspected terrorists and did not object to them" Her accusations were nothing but sophistry about whether she was told a few months earlier in 2002. But you go on trusting Pelosi (who clearly lied) and Obama (who reverses himself on an almost daily basis). "torture is torture" Talk about begging the question. First, as a legal matter there simply is not a valid argument that anyone broke the law. The torture statute requires a showing of specific intent to harm, which would be virtually impossible to show given that the CIA operatives and lawyers would all state that these tactics do not cause harm. Obviously, there is a larger policy question, and, on balance, I don't think we should have been waterboarding people. But to pretend this isn't a complicated issue about which reasonable people can disagree is intellectually dishonest. Dixie,

“House Speaker Nancy Pelosi on Thursday acknowledged for the first time that in 2003 she was told waterboarding and other tough tactics were being used on suspected terrorists and did not object to them”

Her accusations were nothing but sophistry about whether she was told a few months earlier in 2002. But you go on trusting Pelosi (who clearly lied) and Obama (who reverses himself on an almost daily basis).

“torture is torture”

Talk about begging the question. First, as a legal matter there simply is not a valid argument that anyone broke the law. The torture statute requires a showing of specific intent to harm, which would be virtually impossible to show given that the CIA operatives and lawyers would all state that these tactics do not cause harm. Obviously, there is a larger policy question, and, on balance, I don’t think we should have been waterboarding people. But to pretend this isn’t a complicated issue about which reasonable people can disagree is intellectually dishonest.

]]> By: roofus http://www.fitsnews.com/2009/05/22/pelosi-shuts-up/comment-page-1/#comment-55234 roofus Sat, 23 May 2009 11:48:35 +0000 http://www.fitsnews.com/?p=21882#comment-55234 Dixie, Who ordered the incendiary gas at Waco? Think Reno,Janet Reno. Were those kids "tortured?" Where's your outrage, "Dixie"? (P.S.-I trust Cheney,the CIA, and FBI--Pelosi and Obama are proven liars...) Dixie,
Who ordered the incendiary gas at Waco?

Think Reno,Janet Reno.

Were those kids “tortured?”

Where’s your outrage, “Dixie”?

(P.S.-I trust Cheney,the CIA, and FBI–Pelosi and Obama are proven liars…)

]]> By: Dixie http://www.fitsnews.com/2009/05/22/pelosi-shuts-up/comment-page-1/#comment-55214 Dixie Sat, 23 May 2009 01:29:55 +0000 http://www.fitsnews.com/?p=21882#comment-55214 Roofus, That was an FBI operation at Waco. Let's see, you trust the CIA but not the FBI ? I don't know how many were killed by water boarding, but I know torture is torture. If you had been in the Army during Vietnam they would have taught you that you could be held accountable for that. I trust Pelosi, Obama, and the CIA - now that is under new management. Roofus,
That was an FBI operation at Waco. Let’s see, you trust the CIA but not the FBI ? I don’t know how many were killed by water boarding, but I know torture is torture. If you had been in the Army during Vietnam they would have taught you that you could be held accountable for that. I trust Pelosi, Obama, and the CIA – now that is under new management.

]]> By: dj http://www.fitsnews.com/2009/05/22/pelosi-shuts-up/comment-page-1/#comment-55211 dj Sat, 23 May 2009 01:18:12 +0000 http://www.fitsnews.com/?p=21882#comment-55211 I would tend to think pulling fingernails off would be worse than waterboarding...waterboarding sounds like a sport,hey man, gonna get some waterboarding in today...waves look good. Cant be that bad if every reporter and guys name Mancow do it for show..I mean really..Mancow? WTF is that about. I remember when I was on exercise in Australia back in the early 90's and the Aussie SAS guys were telling stories about how during E and E training they were forced to strip naked and they would bring in a female to verbally degrade them...now that's torture. I mean its really all about the psychology. I can do something mundane like drip water on your forehead and eventually it would torturous to a breaking point, not because of the act, which in itself is nothing, but because of the psychological fact that you didn't know when it was gonna stop. Just another catchphrase that the media and politicians like to use to keep away from the real message.Obviously Pelosi and everyone else that voted FOR the wars didn't think it was that big of a deal back then. Oh and I have the perfect place for the detainees but ive written long enough here, perhaps later. It's really a no brainer. I would tend to think pulling fingernails off would be worse than waterboarding…waterboarding sounds like a sport,hey man, gonna get some waterboarding in today…waves look good. Cant be that bad if every reporter and guys name Mancow do it for show..I mean really..Mancow? WTF is that about. I remember when I was on exercise in Australia back in the early 90’s and the Aussie SAS guys were telling stories about how during E and E training they were forced to strip naked and they would bring in a female to verbally degrade them…now that’s torture. I mean its really all about the psychology. I can do something mundane like drip water on your forehead and eventually it would torturous to a breaking point, not because of the act, which in itself is nothing, but because of the psychological fact that you didn’t know when it was gonna stop. Just another catchphrase that the media and politicians like to use to keep away from the real message.Obviously Pelosi and everyone else that voted FOR the wars didn’t think it was that big of a deal back then. Oh and I have the perfect place for the detainees but ive written long enough here, perhaps later. It’s really a no brainer.

]]> By: James the Foot Soldier http://www.fitsnews.com/2009/05/22/pelosi-shuts-up/comment-page-1/#comment-55208 James the Foot Soldier Sat, 23 May 2009 00:25:15 +0000 http://www.fitsnews.com/?p=21882#comment-55208 How low would those melons hang without the steel girder beam bra from the Martha Stewart Iron Bra Collection? How low would those melons hang without the steel girder beam bra from the Martha Stewart Iron Bra Collection?

]]> By: roofus http://www.fitsnews.com/2009/05/22/pelosi-shuts-up/comment-page-1/#comment-55207 roofus Sat, 23 May 2009 00:07:53 +0000 http://www.fitsnews.com/?p=21882#comment-55207 Dixie, How many "detainees" died from waterboarding? How many unarmed children died in Waco when Clinton ordered the invasion of the infamous Branch Davidian compound? How many lives were saved by waterboarding? O, that's right, Mr. Trasparent won't allow the release of those memos... Whom do you trust, Pelosi, Obama, Cheney, or the CIA? Dixie,
How many “detainees” died from waterboarding? How many unarmed children died in Waco when Clinton ordered the invasion of the infamous Branch Davidian compound?

How many lives were saved by waterboarding? O, that’s right, Mr. Trasparent won’t allow the release of those memos…

Whom do you trust, Pelosi, Obama, Cheney, or the CIA?

]]> By: Dixie http://www.fitsnews.com/2009/05/22/pelosi-shuts-up/comment-page-1/#comment-55197 Dixie Fri, 22 May 2009 22:09:01 +0000 http://www.fitsnews.com/?p=21882#comment-55197 She is probably telling the truth. If you think the CIA went to a meeting and told Senators they were torturing people, then you are as dumb as a sack of hammers. Water boarding has been considered torture since the middle ages. She is probably telling the truth. If you think the CIA went to a meeting and told Senators they were torturing people, then you are as dumb as a sack of hammers. Water boarding has been considered torture since the middle ages.

]]> By: roofus http://www.fitsnews.com/2009/05/22/pelosi-shuts-up/comment-page-1/#comment-55193 roofus Fri, 22 May 2009 21:44:56 +0000 http://www.fitsnews.com/?p=21882#comment-55193 I hope the Dems rally around her. It will make 2010 much easier. I hope the Dems rally around her. It will make 2010 much easier.

]]> By: Liberty http://www.fitsnews.com/2009/05/22/pelosi-shuts-up/comment-page-1/#comment-55185 Liberty Fri, 22 May 2009 21:29:24 +0000 http://www.fitsnews.com/?p=21882#comment-55185 almost as enjoyable as watching harrell and mcmaster both getting their asses handed to them in a very public way. almost as enjoyable as watching harrell and mcmaster both getting their asses handed to them in a very public way.

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