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	<title>Comments on: Tell These Senators The Stench Of Failure Must Go</title>
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		<title>By: BIN News</title>
		<link>http://www.fitsnews.com/2009/04/27/tell-these-senators-the-stench-of-failure-must-go/comment-page-1/#comment-53128</link>
		<dc:creator>BIN News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 01:27:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GGIH, 

The Voice for Voucher Scams is run by one of Howie&#039;s voucher clowns. No one reads it, except the other three voucher clowns talking to themselves. 

BIN News</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GGIH, </p>
<p>The Voice for Voucher Scams is run by one of Howie&#8217;s voucher clowns. No one reads it, except the other three voucher clowns talking to themselves. </p>
<p>BIN News</p>
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		<title>By: BIN News</title>
		<link>http://www.fitsnews.com/2009/04/27/tell-these-senators-the-stench-of-failure-must-go/comment-page-1/#comment-53126</link>
		<dc:creator>BIN News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 01:23:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We certainly struck a nerve of truth! Only that would prompt such an outpouring of porno from FITS Scam Gals and Angelin@ss.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We certainly struck a nerve of truth! Only that would prompt such an outpouring of porno from FITS Scam Gals and Angelin@ss.</p>
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		<title>By: GGIH</title>
		<link>http://www.fitsnews.com/2009/04/27/tell-these-senators-the-stench-of-failure-must-go/comment-page-1/#comment-53116</link>
		<dc:creator>GGIH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 23:31:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, has anybody here who opposes vouchers tried to leave a message on the Voice for School Choice web page?  If they don&#039;t agree with you, they delete you.  I guess that&#039;s why they have pretty much NO COMMENTS on any post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, has anybody here who opposes vouchers tried to leave a message on the Voice for School Choice web page?  If they don&#8217;t agree with you, they delete you.  I guess that&#8217;s why they have pretty much NO COMMENTS on any post.</p>
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		<title>By: baker</title>
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		<dc:creator>baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 15:41:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I say this talk about the fancy building is a ruse. It&#039;s being presented, in my opinion, as if the so-called &quot;educrats&quot; are literally taking per-pupil funding and using that money to fancy up buildings. This is not how it works.

First of all, most major building projects are funded by voter-approved bond referendums....Gene and others may not like it, but when folks vote to improve their school facilities, I see nothing wrong with it. 

Also, the legislature approved a large pot of money some years back for school construction and renovations. Perhaps the education &quot;establishment&quot; was pushing the legislature to get that money....sure....and I would guess that improvements were very much needed in many school systems around the state. But, either way, it isn&#039;t like this money was taken out of regular school district budgets.

Finally, while I think that well-adjusted kids who SHOW UP TO SCHOOL PREPARED TO LEARN can do fine in almost any setting, and while I&#039;m not a huge fan of the &quot;mega-school&quot; complexes, I do wonder why it&#039;s so wrong to want to provide a first-class facility for children. People pay a lot of money to have nice houses for their children to live in and drive nice cars. Why would those people want their kids to then go spend 7-8 hours a day in a dumpy, drab school building? My guess is that most parents -- whether their children are in public school or private school -- want their children to be in buildings that are comfortable, safe, and that have some &quot;extras.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I say this talk about the fancy building is a ruse. It&#8217;s being presented, in my opinion, as if the so-called &#8220;educrats&#8221; are literally taking per-pupil funding and using that money to fancy up buildings. This is not how it works.</p>
<p>First of all, most major building projects are funded by voter-approved bond referendums&#8230;.Gene and others may not like it, but when folks vote to improve their school facilities, I see nothing wrong with it. </p>
<p>Also, the legislature approved a large pot of money some years back for school construction and renovations. Perhaps the education &#8220;establishment&#8221; was pushing the legislature to get that money&#8230;.sure&#8230;.and I would guess that improvements were very much needed in many school systems around the state. But, either way, it isn&#8217;t like this money was taken out of regular school district budgets.</p>
<p>Finally, while I think that well-adjusted kids who SHOW UP TO SCHOOL PREPARED TO LEARN can do fine in almost any setting, and while I&#8217;m not a huge fan of the &#8220;mega-school&#8221; complexes, I do wonder why it&#8217;s so wrong to want to provide a first-class facility for children. People pay a lot of money to have nice houses for their children to live in and drive nice cars. Why would those people want their kids to then go spend 7-8 hours a day in a dumpy, drab school building? My guess is that most parents &#8212; whether their children are in public school or private school &#8212; want their children to be in buildings that are comfortable, safe, and that have some &#8220;extras.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Gene E. Nowak</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gene E. Nowak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 15:24:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the costs of public education is the &quot;fees&quot;  imposed on every student and their parents as the cost of getting a &quot;free&quot; education. They can amount to several hundred dollars a semester for students that opt for more than a basic curriculum education. 

This is in addition to the $14,000.00 tax bill the taxpayers are billed for the privilege for giving our children an inferior education, but great looking school buildings and sports complexes. I nearly forgot the Educrat hierarchy that oversees the fleecing of the taxpayers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the costs of public education is the &#8220;fees&#8221;  imposed on every student and their parents as the cost of getting a &#8220;free&#8221; education. They can amount to several hundred dollars a semester for students that opt for more than a basic curriculum education. </p>
<p>This is in addition to the $14,000.00 tax bill the taxpayers are billed for the privilege for giving our children an inferior education, but great looking school buildings and sports complexes. I nearly forgot the Educrat hierarchy that oversees the fleecing of the taxpayers.</p>
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		<title>By: baker</title>
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		<dc:creator>baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 15:10:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Angelina, I have no way of knowing if your assertions are correct. However, I would think that if they are it&#039;s largely because other states&#039; choice programs are targeted at the poor primarily, if not exclusively. What is being pushed in SC now has no income limits, if I&#039;m not mistaken, and would eventually give money to people who already have their children in private school -- including to some of South Carolina wealthiest people, again, my reading of the proposal is correct.

I also refute this &quot;one-size-fits-all&quot; rhetoric. There may be places where this rings true to some extent at certain grade levels. But most public schools I know of offer a very wide range of courses and services and extra-curricular activities. Within the same high school system, I think you&#039;ll often see kids in a metal-working class, learning a trade that can lead to a high-paying and stable career....and also kids in an AP class who are bound for Ivy League universities. 

Now, we&#039;ve GOT to figure out how to better reach those youngsters who don&#039;t find their way and who lack direction. The &quot;average private school&quot; in South Carolina -- whether its tuition is $4,000 or $14,000 -- is unwilling to take on those kids.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Angelina, I have no way of knowing if your assertions are correct. However, I would think that if they are it&#8217;s largely because other states&#8217; choice programs are targeted at the poor primarily, if not exclusively. What is being pushed in SC now has no income limits, if I&#8217;m not mistaken, and would eventually give money to people who already have their children in private school &#8212; including to some of South Carolina wealthiest people, again, my reading of the proposal is correct.</p>
<p>I also refute this &#8220;one-size-fits-all&#8221; rhetoric. There may be places where this rings true to some extent at certain grade levels. But most public schools I know of offer a very wide range of courses and services and extra-curricular activities. Within the same high school system, I think you&#8217;ll often see kids in a metal-working class, learning a trade that can lead to a high-paying and stable career&#8230;.and also kids in an AP class who are bound for Ivy League universities. </p>
<p>Now, we&#8217;ve GOT to figure out how to better reach those youngsters who don&#8217;t find their way and who lack direction. The &#8220;average private school&#8221; in South Carolina &#8212; whether its tuition is $4,000 or $14,000 &#8212; is unwilling to take on those kids.</p>
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		<title>By: GGIH</title>
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		<dc:creator>GGIH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 14:26:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Each voucher is a different amount based on what the state paid for services at the child&#039;s public school. Last year&#039;s average was $6,273 and vouchers ranged from $2,356 to $15,324, according to the state.

Kelly Long received a voucher for her son, Grant, who has Asperger syndrome, a neurological disorder. The 10-year-old attended Porter Academy in Roswell and will return in August.

The voucher covers about one-quarter of the nearly $17,500 tuition at the school, Long said. The family, which also has a son in college, took out loans to pay for the rest.&quot;

That&#039;s an excerpt from the article about Georgia vouchers referenced above, and I don&#039;t see how it&#039;s relevant.  In South Carolina, we&#039;re talking about $2,500 against a $17,500 tuition -- IF a family paid enough in state taxes to receive even that.  They&#039;d more likely get nothing. 

There might be a good voucher plan for poor children, but nobody&#039;s proposed such a thing in this state.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Each voucher is a different amount based on what the state paid for services at the child&#8217;s public school. Last year&#8217;s average was $6,273 and vouchers ranged from $2,356 to $15,324, according to the state.</p>
<p>Kelly Long received a voucher for her son, Grant, who has Asperger syndrome, a neurological disorder. The 10-year-old attended Porter Academy in Roswell and will return in August.</p>
<p>The voucher covers about one-quarter of the nearly $17,500 tuition at the school, Long said. The family, which also has a son in college, took out loans to pay for the rest.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s an excerpt from the article about Georgia vouchers referenced above, and I don&#8217;t see how it&#8217;s relevant.  In South Carolina, we&#8217;re talking about $2,500 against a $17,500 tuition &#8212; IF a family paid enough in state taxes to receive even that.  They&#8217;d more likely get nothing. </p>
<p>There might be a good voucher plan for poor children, but nobody&#8217;s proposed such a thing in this state.</p>
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		<title>By: GGIH</title>
		<link>http://www.fitsnews.com/2009/04/27/tell-these-senators-the-stench-of-failure-must-go/comment-page-1/#comment-53050</link>
		<dc:creator>GGIH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 14:18:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can you back up the claim that low income schools in SC are getting around $13,000 from all sources?  Cause I think that&#039;s Voice for School Choice bs.

You know what else never happened?  That any public school anywhere was ever improved by &quot;competition&quot; from private schools.  That&#039;s why lots and lots of people who supported the idea initially have concluded that it doesn&#039;t work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can you back up the claim that low income schools in SC are getting around $13,000 from all sources?  Cause I think that&#8217;s Voice for School Choice bs.</p>
<p>You know what else never happened?  That any public school anywhere was ever improved by &#8220;competition&#8221; from private schools.  That&#8217;s why lots and lots of people who supported the idea initially have concluded that it doesn&#8217;t work.</p>
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		<title>By: Angelina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angelina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 13:22:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BIN - do your homework. Rich kids aren&#039;t the majority of kids taking advantage of choice programs.  The &quot;creaming&quot; argument is a red herring.  Hasn&#039;t happened.  You know what else has never happened?  A single public school in the world being hurt by school choice.  No &quot;financial devastation,&quot; or &quot;all the most challenged kids are left behind.&quot;  Never happened anywhere.  

OBD - average private school tuition in SC about $4,000.  Low income schools in SC are getting around $13,000 per child from all sources. We are spending the money.  And getting involved.  Nothing has changed in decades.  Nothing.  Nobody is for the undoing of public education.  And as for &quot;making money&quot; on a position on parental choice, that one goes to the administrators on the dole, dude.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BIN &#8211; do your homework. Rich kids aren&#8217;t the majority of kids taking advantage of choice programs.  The &#8220;creaming&#8221; argument is a red herring.  Hasn&#8217;t happened.  You know what else has never happened?  A single public school in the world being hurt by school choice.  No &#8220;financial devastation,&#8221; or &#8220;all the most challenged kids are left behind.&#8221;  Never happened anywhere.  </p>
<p>OBD &#8211; average private school tuition in SC about $4,000.  Low income schools in SC are getting around $13,000 per child from all sources. We are spending the money.  And getting involved.  Nothing has changed in decades.  Nothing.  Nobody is for the undoing of public education.  And as for &#8220;making money&#8221; on a position on parental choice, that one goes to the administrators on the dole, dude.</p>
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		<title>By: Old Bike Dude</title>
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		<dc:creator>Old Bike Dude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 11:22:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fits, I need your reference on $11,000 per child spending. Seems a bit high, $8,500 should be more realistic. Local private schools that actually do a fair job at educating students are running $11,500-$15,000 per year. And at that rate they lack the facilities and activities of public schools.
When white folks quit crying about public education and get off their asses and get involved, then education will improve. Spending their way into segregation is not the issue. The only peeps that could be for the undoing of public education would be those who...well...make a lot of money from it&#039;s demise. Now who would that be, I wonder?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fits, I need your reference on $11,000 per child spending. Seems a bit high, $8,500 should be more realistic. Local private schools that actually do a fair job at educating students are running $11,500-$15,000 per year. And at that rate they lack the facilities and activities of public schools.<br />
When white folks quit crying about public education and get off their asses and get involved, then education will improve. Spending their way into segregation is not the issue. The only peeps that could be for the undoing of public education would be those who&#8230;well&#8230;make a lot of money from it&#8217;s demise. Now who would that be, I wonder?</p>
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