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	<title>Comments on: Landess: Stimulus Spending Will Hurt SC Economy, Cost Jobs</title>
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		<title>By: marvin</title>
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		<dc:creator>marvin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 03:33:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Concerned, the point is not whether we&#039;ll be paying the same federal taxes, but rather that we will end up paying MORE in state taxes. Spending that money will ultimately hurt our economy.  That&#039;s the point, and everyone better take a break from defending themselves and their bosses for spending us into this in the first place and start thinking about what will happen down the road.  388 is part of the problem, and so is the rest of the tax code.  But adding more temporary money will absolutely make it worse.  Guaranteed to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Concerned, the point is not whether we&#8217;ll be paying the same federal taxes, but rather that we will end up paying MORE in state taxes. Spending that money will ultimately hurt our economy.  That&#8217;s the point, and everyone better take a break from defending themselves and their bosses for spending us into this in the first place and start thinking about what will happen down the road.  388 is part of the problem, and so is the rest of the tax code.  But adding more temporary money will absolutely make it worse.  Guaranteed to.</p>
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		<title>By: concerned</title>
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		<dc:creator>concerned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 15:37:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do any of you care that we will be paying the same amount of federal taxes regardless if we accept the benefits of the stimulus money?  Wouldn&#039;t it be nice if our elected officials could focus on real matters such as fixing 388 so that all of our core requirements are no longer tied to sales tax?

How does Texas operate with their legislature in session every other year?  We are in session every year and all we do is screw ourselves more and more!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do any of you care that we will be paying the same amount of federal taxes regardless if we accept the benefits of the stimulus money?  Wouldn&#8217;t it be nice if our elected officials could focus on real matters such as fixing 388 so that all of our core requirements are no longer tied to sales tax?</p>
<p>How does Texas operate with their legislature in session every other year?  We are in session every year and all we do is screw ourselves more and more!</p>
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		<title>By: angelina</title>
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		<dc:creator>angelina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 14:33:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SSHM, I&#039;ll be brief (since you and Marvin both struggle with space limitation issues). Venture capital funds are fine for you and your money.  Sure, that&#039;s capitalism.  Private money, personal risk, individual reward.  All good.  But the government investing our money in risky projects that are chosen by the government, which takes on the risk on behalf of us without our knowledge, passes along the cost of failure to taxpayers, and the benefits of any success to a few people hand-picked by politicians?  Not so much capitalism, dude.  In fact, it is the same crap they&#039;re doing in DC.  Didn&#039;t go so well for all of us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SSHM, I&#8217;ll be brief (since you and Marvin both struggle with space limitation issues). Venture capital funds are fine for you and your money.  Sure, that&#8217;s capitalism.  Private money, personal risk, individual reward.  All good.  But the government investing our money in risky projects that are chosen by the government, which takes on the risk on behalf of us without our knowledge, passes along the cost of failure to taxpayers, and the benefits of any success to a few people hand-picked by politicians?  Not so much capitalism, dude.  In fact, it is the same crap they&#8217;re doing in DC.  Didn&#8217;t go so well for all of us.</p>
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		<title>By: Marvin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marvin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 02:34:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SSHM -- how much do you think it has cost SC taxpayers to foot the bill for BMW, and how many other businesses either went under or never got started because they were not given a level playing field?  How many people have been laid off by the couple of big companies that we essentially paid to come to SC?  See, when you invest tax dollars in one industry, you risk that the industry will experience a hardship.  Problem is that we are the ones who paid for it. 

Targeted incentives are not a smart long-term strategy to create a competitive environment for businesses, and while I mean no personal disrespect to Gov. Campbell&#039;s memory, that approach is a mistake.  In the long run, you cannot pay a couple of companies to locate and expect others to do the same when they can&#039;t get the same deal.  And as you know, we can&#039;t afford to pay everyone to come to SC, right?  As for venture capital, that is all well and good, SSHM, but as you know it is a risky investment strategy and elected officials have no right to engage in it with our money. You know very well who pays the cost when the whole thing tanks -- look what happened in DC.

You have to offer a good environment for all businesses to succeed.  Lower taxes, less regulation, etc. for every business, big and small.  The smaller businesses in this state get screwed by this incentive deal, and they hire most of the workers.  There is nothing crazy or even really libertarian about believing that private businesses should assume all the risk and costs of their own companies, and then reap the rewards.  That is capitalism, SSHM. 

What I hear you saying is that lowering the tax burden for all businesses and allowing competition and innovation to drive the economy is a &quot;fringe&quot; approach, but that giving some cash to a couple of big companies at the expense of smaller, home-grown businesses and working class South Carolinians is the &quot;real&quot; Republican strategy.  Sorry, but that is just not my cup of Republican tea, and if it is what the Party has decided to become, then you can have it. You can make libertarian a dirty word if you want and decide that&#039;s what anyone who disagrees with you is.  I&#039;ll be a libertarian, SSHM, and you can be a socialist and those will just be the labels we apply.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SSHM &#8212; how much do you think it has cost SC taxpayers to foot the bill for BMW, and how many other businesses either went under or never got started because they were not given a level playing field?  How many people have been laid off by the couple of big companies that we essentially paid to come to SC?  See, when you invest tax dollars in one industry, you risk that the industry will experience a hardship.  Problem is that we are the ones who paid for it. </p>
<p>Targeted incentives are not a smart long-term strategy to create a competitive environment for businesses, and while I mean no personal disrespect to Gov. Campbell&#8217;s memory, that approach is a mistake.  In the long run, you cannot pay a couple of companies to locate and expect others to do the same when they can&#8217;t get the same deal.  And as you know, we can&#8217;t afford to pay everyone to come to SC, right?  As for venture capital, that is all well and good, SSHM, but as you know it is a risky investment strategy and elected officials have no right to engage in it with our money. You know very well who pays the cost when the whole thing tanks &#8212; look what happened in DC.</p>
<p>You have to offer a good environment for all businesses to succeed.  Lower taxes, less regulation, etc. for every business, big and small.  The smaller businesses in this state get screwed by this incentive deal, and they hire most of the workers.  There is nothing crazy or even really libertarian about believing that private businesses should assume all the risk and costs of their own companies, and then reap the rewards.  That is capitalism, SSHM. </p>
<p>What I hear you saying is that lowering the tax burden for all businesses and allowing competition and innovation to drive the economy is a &#8220;fringe&#8221; approach, but that giving some cash to a couple of big companies at the expense of smaller, home-grown businesses and working class South Carolinians is the &#8220;real&#8221; Republican strategy.  Sorry, but that is just not my cup of Republican tea, and if it is what the Party has decided to become, then you can have it. You can make libertarian a dirty word if you want and decide that&#8217;s what anyone who disagrees with you is.  I&#8217;ll be a libertarian, SSHM, and you can be a socialist and those will just be the labels we apply.</p>
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		<title>By: StupidShouldHurtMore (SSHM)</title>
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		<dc:creator>StupidShouldHurtMore (SSHM)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 13:27:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Marvin,

The last time the GOP had an effective governor here in SC was in the early 1990s. 

Carroll A. Campbell, anyone?

Speaking of the late and great governor, he believed in venture capital. Thank GOD he did. Without his vision and the efforts of government investing into the private sector (in this case, economic development), we might not have BMW.

In fact, allow me to quote from the following:

Attracting Foreign Direct Investment: German Luxury Cars in the U.S.
by Michael R. Czinkota

&quot;South Carolina Governor Carroll Campbell put up a strong recruiting effort, visiting BMW in Germany and making offers that were hard to refuse. In order to obtain the $640 million plant and the expected 6,000 new state jobs, a bit of southern finesse was used. For instance, the site most desired by BMW had 134 separate landowners. In order to ease land acquisition problems, Governor Campbell secured a $25 million appropriation from the state legislature to buy the property. He personally telephoned reluctant sellers and within 14 weeks, the state and local governments had spent $36.6 million to buy every single property—including a home that one family had just finished building two weeks before they were approached. To sweeten the deal for BMW, new roads and site improvement were included, and the runway at the local airport was extended to accommodate BMW’s cargo planes. The state also offered a $41 million property tax break to BMW. Furthermore, the local airport’s free trade zone status was extended to include the 900-acre plant site, meaning BMW would not have to pay duties on parts imported from Germany or elsewhere until cars actually left the plant for sale in the United States.&quot;

You see Marvin, once upon a time, venture captial and venture capitalism was a key component of &quot;progressive republicans.&quot; Now, the LIARs (Libertarians Imitating Actual Republicans) that run about as members of the GOP treat those of us (Real Republicans that believe in venture capitalism) who believe in venture capital as lepers.

You can&#039;t argue the economic impact of BMW nor can you say the actions of the late governor were not sound. Don&#039;t believe me? Here, look at an authority on this:

http://mooreschool.sc.edu/export/sites/default/moore/research/presentstudy/bmw/bmwmay.pdf

Yeah - I&#039;m a Republican. A Republican in the vein of the late Campbell. An advocate and follower of what David Wilkins called &quot;the master architect&quot; of the SC GOPs quick rise to power. I abhor what you Marvin and other LIARs have done to the GOP. At the same time, I abhor the actions of some of my fellow GOP-ers who spend money like &quot;drunken sailors.&quot;

The solution isn&#039;t wild spending like a liberal democrat. The solution isn&#039;t to cut everything to the bone like a libertarian. There is a happy medium - and we saw that in SC under Campbell&#039;s leadership.

If three out of four fellow Sandlappers liked Campbell, he must have been onto something.


- SSHM</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Marvin,</p>
<p>The last time the GOP had an effective governor here in SC was in the early 1990s. </p>
<p>Carroll A. Campbell, anyone?</p>
<p>Speaking of the late and great governor, he believed in venture capital. Thank GOD he did. Without his vision and the efforts of government investing into the private sector (in this case, economic development), we might not have BMW.</p>
<p>In fact, allow me to quote from the following:</p>
<p>Attracting Foreign Direct Investment: German Luxury Cars in the U.S.<br />
by Michael R. Czinkota</p>
<p>&#8220;South Carolina Governor Carroll Campbell put up a strong recruiting effort, visiting BMW in Germany and making offers that were hard to refuse. In order to obtain the $640 million plant and the expected 6,000 new state jobs, a bit of southern finesse was used. For instance, the site most desired by BMW had 134 separate landowners. In order to ease land acquisition problems, Governor Campbell secured a $25 million appropriation from the state legislature to buy the property. He personally telephoned reluctant sellers and within 14 weeks, the state and local governments had spent $36.6 million to buy every single property—including a home that one family had just finished building two weeks before they were approached. To sweeten the deal for BMW, new roads and site improvement were included, and the runway at the local airport was extended to accommodate BMW’s cargo planes. The state also offered a $41 million property tax break to BMW. Furthermore, the local airport’s free trade zone status was extended to include the 900-acre plant site, meaning BMW would not have to pay duties on parts imported from Germany or elsewhere until cars actually left the plant for sale in the United States.&#8221;</p>
<p>You see Marvin, once upon a time, venture captial and venture capitalism was a key component of &#8220;progressive republicans.&#8221; Now, the LIARs (Libertarians Imitating Actual Republicans) that run about as members of the GOP treat those of us (Real Republicans that believe in venture capitalism) who believe in venture capital as lepers.</p>
<p>You can&#8217;t argue the economic impact of BMW nor can you say the actions of the late governor were not sound. Don&#8217;t believe me? Here, look at an authority on this:</p>
<p><a href="http://mooreschool.sc.edu/export/sites/default/moore/research/presentstudy/bmw/bmwmay.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://mooreschool.sc.edu/export/sites/default/moore/research/presentstudy/bmw/bmwmay.pdf</a></p>
<p>Yeah &#8211; I&#8217;m a Republican. A Republican in the vein of the late Campbell. An advocate and follower of what David Wilkins called &#8220;the master architect&#8221; of the SC GOPs quick rise to power. I abhor what you Marvin and other LIARs have done to the GOP. At the same time, I abhor the actions of some of my fellow GOP-ers who spend money like &#8220;drunken sailors.&#8221;</p>
<p>The solution isn&#8217;t wild spending like a liberal democrat. The solution isn&#8217;t to cut everything to the bone like a libertarian. There is a happy medium &#8211; and we saw that in SC under Campbell&#8217;s leadership.</p>
<p>If three out of four fellow Sandlappers liked Campbell, he must have been onto something.</p>
<p>- SSHM</p>
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		<title>By: Marvin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marvin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 05:34:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SSHM and Bombthrower (welcome back, WMD, a.k.a. an overpaid House or senate staffer who couldn&#039;t find a job anywhere else because you don&#039;t actually know how to do anything else. Dude, I hope you are still one of the young ones and have an excuse, and not one of the pathetic few past 40 who is still working for Harrell or McConnell, Leatherman or Cooper): the GOP supports lower taxes, less government, school choice, lower regulation and -- wait for it -- free market capitalism.  You guys do not.  

Interesting that you think the Policy Council is fringe.  They also support lower taxes, less government, education reform and the free market. Libertarian support those things, too.  You know who doesn&#039;t?  Socialists and American Democrats.  Also, you and your bosses. It is that simple.  Seriously, pretend you are smart enough for a minute, or go find someone who can explain it to you, and look at what you guys have done in the legislature.  You&#039;ve grown government, invested tax dollars in venture capital funds, picked winners/losers in the economy, given incentives to &quot;special companies,&quot; most of whom have lobbyists in the statehouse and return the favors you ask of them (tax credit contribution to SC Launch, for example?).  Oh, and raising taxes to expand social programs.  Wow!  So, guys?  Who does that sound like?  That pretty much sounds like the liberal democrats. And socialists who do not support capitalism, but rather support re-distribution of wealth.

So, bombthrower.  What do you support?  Same with you, SSHM.  What do you support that is a GOP platfrom agenda that is not supported by the Policy Council or Mark Sanford or even libertarians, but is supported by your clients like Bobby Harrell and Hugh Leatherman?  

BIN, no one gives a crap what you support. You haven&#039;t even read the platforms, so just go hang out in your tree house with Cooter Brown and Phil Branton.  You aren&#039;t part of the real GOP, so your opinions on our party don&#039;t matter.

But you others I suspect think you are Republicans (maybe not -- if so, just own being a democrat and that will make sense).  If you are GOP, tell us what your heroes in the leadership have done to strengthen our core values.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SSHM and Bombthrower (welcome back, WMD, a.k.a. an overpaid House or senate staffer who couldn&#8217;t find a job anywhere else because you don&#8217;t actually know how to do anything else. Dude, I hope you are still one of the young ones and have an excuse, and not one of the pathetic few past 40 who is still working for Harrell or McConnell, Leatherman or Cooper): the GOP supports lower taxes, less government, school choice, lower regulation and &#8212; wait for it &#8212; free market capitalism.  You guys do not.  </p>
<p>Interesting that you think the Policy Council is fringe.  They also support lower taxes, less government, education reform and the free market. Libertarian support those things, too.  You know who doesn&#8217;t?  Socialists and American Democrats.  Also, you and your bosses. It is that simple.  Seriously, pretend you are smart enough for a minute, or go find someone who can explain it to you, and look at what you guys have done in the legislature.  You&#8217;ve grown government, invested tax dollars in venture capital funds, picked winners/losers in the economy, given incentives to &#8220;special companies,&#8221; most of whom have lobbyists in the statehouse and return the favors you ask of them (tax credit contribution to SC Launch, for example?).  Oh, and raising taxes to expand social programs.  Wow!  So, guys?  Who does that sound like?  That pretty much sounds like the liberal democrats. And socialists who do not support capitalism, but rather support re-distribution of wealth.</p>
<p>So, bombthrower.  What do you support?  Same with you, SSHM.  What do you support that is a GOP platfrom agenda that is not supported by the Policy Council or Mark Sanford or even libertarians, but is supported by your clients like Bobby Harrell and Hugh Leatherman?  </p>
<p>BIN, no one gives a crap what you support. You haven&#8217;t even read the platforms, so just go hang out in your tree house with Cooter Brown and Phil Branton.  You aren&#8217;t part of the real GOP, so your opinions on our party don&#8217;t matter.</p>
<p>But you others I suspect think you are Republicans (maybe not &#8212; if so, just own being a democrat and that will make sense).  If you are GOP, tell us what your heroes in the leadership have done to strengthen our core values.</p>
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		<title>By: Part D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Part D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 18:33:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most ordinary conservatives who aren&#039;t on a political payroll love the Policy Council precisely because they shun the GOP status quo. Who would want to &quot;glom onto&quot; a party that spent like drunken sailors and essentially ignored fiscal conservatives for a decade? The Republican Party is in flames precisely because it abandoned the fiscal conservatives, AKA &quot;libertarian&quot; wing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most ordinary conservatives who aren&#8217;t on a political payroll love the Policy Council precisely because they shun the GOP status quo. Who would want to &#8220;glom onto&#8221; a party that spent like drunken sailors and essentially ignored fiscal conservatives for a decade? The Republican Party is in flames precisely because it abandoned the fiscal conservatives, AKA &#8220;libertarian&#8221; wing.</p>
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		<title>By: StupidShouldHurtMore (SSHM)</title>
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		<dc:creator>StupidShouldHurtMore (SSHM)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 12:56:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@CML,

Last bastion of &quot;conservatives?&quot; All that organization is a bastion of is LIARs (Libertarians Imitating Actual Republicans). Go find your own party and stop glomming onto the GOP.


- SSHM</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@CML,</p>
<p>Last bastion of &#8220;conservatives?&#8221; All that organization is a bastion of is LIARs (Libertarians Imitating Actual Republicans). Go find your own party and stop glomming onto the GOP.</p>
<p>- SSHM</p>
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		<title>By: BIN News Editorial Staff</title>
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		<dc:creator>BIN News Editorial Staff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 02:14:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bombthrower, 

We surveyed the BIN News Staff.  Several admit to spit balls in High School, but none admit they ever &quot;flicked boogers.&quot;  willie, have you ever flick one? 

Ashley is a paid stooge like sic(k) willie and his &quot;bud&quot; at Voice for Voucher Scams. They&#039;re nothing but hollow shells. They&#039;re scams. 

Sometimes they&#039;re mildly entertaining and a little bit amusing.

But, they&#039;re still nothing but political scams. 

BIN News Editorial Staff
Flair and Balanced</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bombthrower, </p>
<p>We surveyed the BIN News Staff.  Several admit to spit balls in High School, but none admit they ever &#8220;flicked boogers.&#8221;  willie, have you ever flick one? </p>
<p>Ashley is a paid stooge like sic(k) willie and his &#8220;bud&#8221; at Voice for Voucher Scams. They&#8217;re nothing but hollow shells. They&#8217;re scams. </p>
<p>Sometimes they&#8217;re mildly entertaining and a little bit amusing.</p>
<p>But, they&#8217;re still nothing but political scams. </p>
<p>BIN News Editorial Staff<br />
Flair and Balanced</p>
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		<title>By: CML</title>
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		<dc:creator>CML</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 23:51:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Policy Council is just about the last bastion of conservatism in this state.

Keep up the good work, Ashley.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Policy Council is just about the last bastion of conservatism in this state.</p>
<p>Keep up the good work, Ashley.</p>
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