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		<title>By: Jay</title>
		<link>http://www.fitsnews.com/2009/03/13/that-didnt-take-long-3/#comment-60823</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 20:59:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As long as the Republican Party has bigotry in their national platform and their political leaders use race-baiting and religious bigotry as tools in their campaigns, their economic ideas will always be suspect and not fully appreciated even by fiscal conservative moderates who want the federal deficit reduced.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As long as the Republican Party has bigotry in their national platform and their political leaders use race-baiting and religious bigotry as tools in their campaigns, their economic ideas will always be suspect and not fully appreciated even by fiscal conservative moderates who want the federal deficit reduced.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 15:33:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By a combination of price and quality of the Ford has no equal:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By a combination of price and quality of the Ford has no equal:)</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://www.fitsnews.com/2009/03/13/that-didnt-take-long-3/#comment-49397</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 03:04:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed, Blacks in South Carolina suffer poor education because their families are in shambles.  Look at all the irresposible black men sleeping with anything and anyone with a vagina.  No personal responsibility.  HIV rates raging!  They are just not focused on education, but rather looking for an Obama handout . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed, Blacks in South Carolina suffer poor education because their families are in shambles.  Look at all the irresposible black men sleeping with anything and anyone with a vagina.  No personal responsibility.  HIV rates raging!  They are just not focused on education, but rather looking for an Obama handout . . .</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 21:36:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Solid post.  I read your post and then went online to read the actual school choice bill.  It&#039;s obvious that very few - if any - of the commenters have taken the time to read the bill.

First of all, there are no vouchers in this bill.  It is all tax credits.  Tax credits for individuals and for businesses.  

Secondly, private schools now require more rigorous testing year in and year out that actually compares children to other children across the nation rather than comparing ourselves to ourselves.

Thirdly, this particular plan gives tax credits for only a portion of the state per pupil funds while the remainder of the state portion - and the local and federal funds stay where they are.

Fourthly, the private school where my child attends already opens their door to the poor and provides financial aid to assist.  This particular plan uses a scholarship organization to give funds to the poor students to have access to other schools.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Solid post.  I read your post and then went online to read the actual school choice bill.  It&#8217;s obvious that very few &#8211; if any &#8211; of the commenters have taken the time to read the bill.</p>
<p>First of all, there are no vouchers in this bill.  It is all tax credits.  Tax credits for individuals and for businesses.  </p>
<p>Secondly, private schools now require more rigorous testing year in and year out that actually compares children to other children across the nation rather than comparing ourselves to ourselves.</p>
<p>Thirdly, this particular plan gives tax credits for only a portion of the state per pupil funds while the remainder of the state portion &#8211; and the local and federal funds stay where they are.</p>
<p>Fourthly, the private school where my child attends already opens their door to the poor and provides financial aid to assist.  This particular plan uses a scholarship organization to give funds to the poor students to have access to other schools.</p>
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		<title>By: Chloe</title>
		<link>http://www.fitsnews.com/2009/03/13/that-didnt-take-long-3/#comment-49388</link>
		<dc:creator>Chloe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 18:34:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Weez all knows thats dem skoolz are onlle as good as de chidrn&#039;s pearents.

Crappie pearants equalls crappie skoolz. 

Dont mattah how moch monie youz throws at dem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Weez all knows thats dem skoolz are onlle as good as de chidrn&#8217;s pearents.</p>
<p>Crappie pearants equalls crappie skoolz. </p>
<p>Dont mattah how moch monie youz throws at dem.</p>
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		<title>By: BIN News Editorial Staff</title>
		<link>http://www.fitsnews.com/2009/03/13/that-didnt-take-long-3/#comment-49385</link>
		<dc:creator>BIN News Editorial Staff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 17:37:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>explanation, 

sic(k) willie can&#039;t answer that because the voucher scam would only make things worse for the poor.  They care not for those who cannot pay. 

That is why vouchers are a scam. 

They claim help for all.  

But they speak with forked tongues.

They know vouchers are a scam.

BIN News Editorial Staff
Flair and Balanced</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>explanation, </p>
<p>sic(k) willie can&#8217;t answer that because the voucher scam would only make things worse for the poor.  They care not for those who cannot pay. </p>
<p>That is why vouchers are a scam. </p>
<p>They claim help for all.  </p>
<p>But they speak with forked tongues.</p>
<p>They know vouchers are a scam.</p>
<p>BIN News Editorial Staff<br />
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		<title>By: explanation needed</title>
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		<dc:creator>explanation needed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 16:23:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fits, I&#039;m not against school choice.  But I believe Pat Hendrix makes a good point about existing private schools not opening their doors to the poor.  How does your pro-choice plan address issues like that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fits, I&#8217;m not against school choice.  But I believe Pat Hendrix makes a good point about existing private schools not opening their doors to the poor.  How does your pro-choice plan address issues like that?</p>
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		<title>By: BIN News Editorial Staff</title>
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		<dc:creator>BIN News Editorial Staff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 04:39:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Simple sic(k) willie. Vouchers are dead.  

Howie knows it because Jakie told him so.  You and your carpetbugger &quot;buds&quot; at Voice for Voucher Scams and SCRG know it too.  

BTW. What happened to Putting Parents in Charge? 

You guys are good (read: boring) at coming up with fake organizations.  

Like Voice for Voucher Scams.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simple sic(k) willie. Vouchers are dead.  </p>
<p>Howie knows it because Jakie told him so.  You and your carpetbugger &#8220;buds&#8221; at Voice for Voucher Scams and SCRG know it too.  </p>
<p>BTW. What happened to Putting Parents in Charge? </p>
<p>You guys are good (read: boring) at coming up with fake organizations.  </p>
<p>Like Voice for Voucher Scams.</p>
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		<title>By: Palmetto CPA</title>
		<link>http://www.fitsnews.com/2009/03/13/that-didnt-take-long-3/#comment-49351</link>
		<dc:creator>Palmetto CPA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 02:01:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TerryB...

Of course, the voucher should be equivalent to the marginal per-student cost.  I have no issue with that.  I don&#039;t think it&#039;s a very simple equation because a large amount of per-pupil dollars are spent educating (or should I say attempting to educate) those children in need of &quot;special help&quot;.  However I do agree that there needs to be an attempt at finding a reasonable amount per &quot;typical&quot; student, and a higher amount for &quot;special needs&quot; children (to vary depending on the extent of the need).  Again, I&#039;m all about a level playing field, not anti-voucher at all.  

There is no doubt that there are people who do not have formal educational qualifications who would be far superior teachers to those currently in public school classrooms.  However, currently they are unavailable for public school jobs because there are minimum educational requirements to get a teaching certificate.  Those folks can, however, teach in private schools (and cost the private school significantly less, remember that in your $$$ per pupil!).  Bottom line is private schools need to pull from the same pool of potential educators (and compete for them with their salaries/benefits!).  As for homeschoolers, those standardized tests typically do not cover advanced topics which would require more education on the part of the teacher.  Also keep in mind that parental involvement IS a huge indicator of future academic performance, and who is more involved than a homeschool parent?  Homeschooling certainly has its place, but obviously public school student&#039;s parents are not on that same level as far as participation and monitoring of their children.  

As for standardized tests themselves, I agree that they&#039;re largely useless.  However they seem to be the favorite of the voucher crowd because they&#039;re a great way to label failures in public ed.  Dropout rates would be a poor indicator because they incentivize social promotion, cheapening degrees.  Not to mention obviously private schools would do well because if a parent does not care about what school their child attends (public v. private) they probably won&#039;t care about their child&#039;s attendance at all.  

Bottom line is that those who like to demonize public education seem to have their own agendas.  There is a place for both public and private (and homeschool) in this state.  However, if we are going to send tax dollars to both systems (which I reiterate, is not a bad idea), then both systems need to play by the same rules.  It&#039;s really just that simple.  

disclaimer:  I am a product of both public and private schools myself, and was fortunate to have parents who placed a high value on education.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TerryB&#8230;</p>
<p>Of course, the voucher should be equivalent to the marginal per-student cost.  I have no issue with that.  I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s a very simple equation because a large amount of per-pupil dollars are spent educating (or should I say attempting to educate) those children in need of &#8220;special help&#8221;.  However I do agree that there needs to be an attempt at finding a reasonable amount per &#8220;typical&#8221; student, and a higher amount for &#8220;special needs&#8221; children (to vary depending on the extent of the need).  Again, I&#8217;m all about a level playing field, not anti-voucher at all.  </p>
<p>There is no doubt that there are people who do not have formal educational qualifications who would be far superior teachers to those currently in public school classrooms.  However, currently they are unavailable for public school jobs because there are minimum educational requirements to get a teaching certificate.  Those folks can, however, teach in private schools (and cost the private school significantly less, remember that in your $$$ per pupil!).  Bottom line is private schools need to pull from the same pool of potential educators (and compete for them with their salaries/benefits!).  As for homeschoolers, those standardized tests typically do not cover advanced topics which would require more education on the part of the teacher.  Also keep in mind that parental involvement IS a huge indicator of future academic performance, and who is more involved than a homeschool parent?  Homeschooling certainly has its place, but obviously public school student&#8217;s parents are not on that same level as far as participation and monitoring of their children.  </p>
<p>As for standardized tests themselves, I agree that they&#8217;re largely useless.  However they seem to be the favorite of the voucher crowd because they&#8217;re a great way to label failures in public ed.  Dropout rates would be a poor indicator because they incentivize social promotion, cheapening degrees.  Not to mention obviously private schools would do well because if a parent does not care about what school their child attends (public v. private) they probably won&#8217;t care about their child&#8217;s attendance at all.  </p>
<p>Bottom line is that those who like to demonize public education seem to have their own agendas.  There is a place for both public and private (and homeschool) in this state.  However, if we are going to send tax dollars to both systems (which I reiterate, is not a bad idea), then both systems need to play by the same rules.  It&#8217;s really just that simple.  </p>
<p>disclaimer:  I am a product of both public and private schools myself, and was fortunate to have parents who placed a high value on education.</p>
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		<title>By: BIN News Editorial Staff</title>
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		<dc:creator>BIN News Editorial Staff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 22:41:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The simple fact is the voucher scam is dead in SC no matter how much of Howie&#039;s carpetbugger money sic(k) willie pimps to promote it on this porn site.

Dead! Period! And in this economy - even more dead.

Just ask Jakie.  He will tell you to your face.

BIN News Editorial Staff
Flair and Balanced</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The simple fact is the voucher scam is dead in SC no matter how much of Howie&#8217;s carpetbugger money sic(k) willie pimps to promote it on this porn site.</p>
<p>Dead! Period! And in this economy &#8211; even more dead.</p>
<p>Just ask Jakie.  He will tell you to your face.</p>
<p>BIN News Editorial Staff<br />
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