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	<description>Unfair ... Imbalanced</description>
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		<title>By: Utah</title>
		<link>http://www.fitsnews.com/2009/03/03/episcopalians-believe-effing-anything/comment-page-1/#comment-85836</link>
		<dc:creator>Utah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 15:30:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Dual Spiritual Paths By Episcopalian Buddhists &#124; Christian Church Search</title>
		<link>http://www.fitsnews.com/2009/03/03/episcopalians-believe-effing-anything/comment-page-1/#comment-58186</link>
		<dc:creator>Dual Spiritual Paths By Episcopalian Buddhists &#124; Christian Church Search</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 12:53:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Forrester, who has been identified by his former bishop Jim Kelsey as “walking the path of Christianity and Zen Buddhism together”, is not the first Episcopal clergyman to practice dual faiths. In 2004, Pennsylvania priest Bill Melnyk was revealed to be a druid; while in 2007 Seattle priest Ann Holmes Redding declared that she was simultaneously an Episcopalian and a Muslim. Both Melnyk and Redding were eventually inhibited from priestly duties. via Episcopalians Believe Effing Anything :: FITSNews. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Forrester, who has been identified by his former bishop Jim Kelsey as “walking the path of Christianity and Zen Buddhism together”, is not the first Episcopal clergyman to practice dual faiths. In 2004, Pennsylvania priest Bill Melnyk was revealed to be a druid; while in 2007 Seattle priest Ann Holmes Redding declared that she was simultaneously an Episcopalian and a Muslim. Both Melnyk and Redding were eventually inhibited from priestly duties. via Episcopalians Believe Effing Anything :: FITSNews. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Episcopalian Buddhists Living in Dual Spirituals Paths &#124; Conservative Culture</title>
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		<dc:creator>Episcopalian Buddhists Living in Dual Spirituals Paths &#124; Conservative Culture</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 12:15:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] via Episcopalians Believe Effing Anything :: FITSNews.        Share and Enjoy: [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mab</title>
		<link>http://www.fitsnews.com/2009/03/03/episcopalians-believe-effing-anything/comment-page-1/#comment-50878</link>
		<dc:creator>Mab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 18:12:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some of them really DO BELIEVE ANYTHING!

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,512066,00.html

wow..............</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of them really DO BELIEVE ANYTHING!</p>
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<p>wow&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Pat Hendrix</title>
		<link>http://www.fitsnews.com/2009/03/03/episcopalians-believe-effing-anything/comment-page-1/#comment-48644</link>
		<dc:creator>Pat Hendrix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 21:11:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I&#039;ll leave the discussion of religion versus belief systems aside.

I will comment on one thing. &quot;Courageously post anonymous insults&quot;? My handle is Pat Hendrix. I&#039;ve posted that I live on Rutledge Avenue. Would you like my social security number, CL? I&#039;m hardly hiding my identity.

In any event, I&#039;m not commenting on people, just their comments. If they happen to betray a level of, ugh, not being grounded in sanity or facts, well, I may comment.

Best,

Pat</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I&#8217;ll leave the discussion of religion versus belief systems aside.</p>
<p>I will comment on one thing. &#8220;Courageously post anonymous insults&#8221;? My handle is Pat Hendrix. I&#8217;ve posted that I live on Rutledge Avenue. Would you like my social security number, CL? I&#8217;m hardly hiding my identity.</p>
<p>In any event, I&#8217;m not commenting on people, just their comments. If they happen to betray a level of, ugh, not being grounded in sanity or facts, well, I may comment.</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>Pat</p>
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		<title>By: CL</title>
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		<dc:creator>CL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 19:20:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, explain it to me, since I am such an idiot, but if there is nothing religious about his affiliation to his Buddhism, then why the use of religious language? What the heck is &quot;lay ordination&quot; in the context of a secular meditation group? 

Even setting that aside, Zen Buddhism (this fact is mentioned nowhere in the original article, but I&#039;ll take your word for it) would still be incompatible with Christianity.  Jesus Christ would be just the sort of external distraction that Zen Buddhists would reject in their path to enlightment.  You cannot in an intellectually honest way follow two systems that tell you that salvation (or enlightenment or whatever pseudo-religious term you want to apply) is found in opposite directions.

I am sure it is tiring for you to have to tolerate the rabble who fail to measure up to your heroic and brilliant standards.  It must be hard to be so awesome. Atlas, I salute you.  Okay, sarcasm off.  I find it a better response than feeling the need to justify my self to a comment-warrior.  You are part of that special breed of bomb throwers who so courageously post anonymous insults and ridiculous judgments about people they don&#039;t even know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, explain it to me, since I am such an idiot, but if there is nothing religious about his affiliation to his Buddhism, then why the use of religious language? What the heck is &#8220;lay ordination&#8221; in the context of a secular meditation group? </p>
<p>Even setting that aside, Zen Buddhism (this fact is mentioned nowhere in the original article, but I&#8217;ll take your word for it) would still be incompatible with Christianity.  Jesus Christ would be just the sort of external distraction that Zen Buddhists would reject in their path to enlightment.  You cannot in an intellectually honest way follow two systems that tell you that salvation (or enlightenment or whatever pseudo-religious term you want to apply) is found in opposite directions.</p>
<p>I am sure it is tiring for you to have to tolerate the rabble who fail to measure up to your heroic and brilliant standards.  It must be hard to be so awesome. Atlas, I salute you.  Okay, sarcasm off.  I find it a better response than feeling the need to justify my self to a comment-warrior.  You are part of that special breed of bomb throwers who so courageously post anonymous insults and ridiculous judgments about people they don&#8217;t even know.</p>
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		<title>By: Crooner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Crooner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 19:10:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sic:

I was traded the other way, and still struggle with the whole &quot;trespasses/debts&quot; thing.  I mean, really, I ain&#039;t forgiving debts and Wachovia sure as hell ain&#039;t forgiving mine.

I feel like such a hypocrite.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sic:</p>
<p>I was traded the other way, and still struggle with the whole &#8220;trespasses/debts&#8221; thing.  I mean, really, I ain&#8217;t forgiving debts and Wachovia sure as hell ain&#8217;t forgiving mine.</p>
<p>I feel like such a hypocrite.</p>
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		<title>By: spotone</title>
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		<dc:creator>spotone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 19:03:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ooooh!It&#039;s all starting to make sense to me now...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ooooh!It&#8217;s all starting to make sense to me now&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Pat Hendrix</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pat Hendrix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 17:26:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At the risk of highjacking this thread to everyone&#039;s boredom, let me give that another try without the insults. For everyone&#039;s sake, I&#039;ll simply leave at this:

To be an Episcopalian like Rev. Kevin Thew Forresterand and a believer in the teachings of Zen Buddhism does not mean that you believe in rebirth or Karma. It only means that that you believe there is a practical application for some buddhist teachings in maintaining self-control and discipline of mind. It this case, buddhism is not a religious doctrine.  In fact, Jung and Jungian thought present significant commentary in the interpretation of Buddhism, particularly Zen and Vajrayana, because he saw it that way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the risk of highjacking this thread to everyone&#8217;s boredom, let me give that another try without the insults. For everyone&#8217;s sake, I&#8217;ll simply leave at this:</p>
<p>To be an Episcopalian like Rev. Kevin Thew Forresterand and a believer in the teachings of Zen Buddhism does not mean that you believe in rebirth or Karma. It only means that that you believe there is a practical application for some buddhist teachings in maintaining self-control and discipline of mind. It this case, buddhism is not a religious doctrine.  In fact, Jung and Jungian thought present significant commentary in the interpretation of Buddhism, particularly Zen and Vajrayana, because he saw it that way.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat Hendrix</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pat Hendrix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 16:53:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CL,

I&#039;m guessing your not well read on the teachings of ZEN Buddhism, which focused away from spirtual texts. You know, like rebirth. It&#039;s focused on awakening through meditation, which has nothing to do with rebirth and Karma - but with controlling the mind. You know, genius, like psychology. If you want to try reading for a change, I&#039;d could suggest a series of simple books by authors like Joseph Campbell that help explain the link between the two. It might help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CL,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m guessing your not well read on the teachings of ZEN Buddhism, which focused away from spirtual texts. You know, like rebirth. It&#8217;s focused on awakening through meditation, which has nothing to do with rebirth and Karma &#8211; but with controlling the mind. You know, genius, like psychology. If you want to try reading for a change, I&#8217;d could suggest a series of simple books by authors like Joseph Campbell that help explain the link between the two. It might help.</p>
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