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		<title>By: Money Talks in K-12 Funding Debate &#171; The Voice for School Choice</title>
		<link>http://www.fitsnews.com/2008/07/23/sc-lawmakers-grapple-with-education-funding/#comment-32089</link>
		<dc:creator>Money Talks in K-12 Funding Debate &#171; The Voice for School Choice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:06:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#8220;SC lawmakers grapple with education funding&#8221; by FITS News &#8220;Several committees charged with examining South Carolinaâ€™s wasteful and convoluted education funding formulas could end up proposing sweeping changes to the way we pay for our childrenâ€™s schooling. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &#8220;SC lawmakers grapple with education funding&#8221; by FITS News &#8220;Several committees charged with examining South Carolinaâ€™s wasteful and convoluted education funding formulas could end up proposing sweeping changes to the way we pay for our childrenâ€™s schooling. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Rob W.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 16:41:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can never understand why people think local control of schools will make things magically better.  There are people who spend a lot of time studying how kids learn and how schools should be run.  Why would we take decision-making power away from our most highly qualified administrators and educators and put it into the hands of less experienced, less educated, and more politically motivated school board members?

Also, I second Baker&#039;s comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can never understand why people think local control of schools will make things magically better.  There are people who spend a lot of time studying how kids learn and how schools should be run.  Why would we take decision-making power away from our most highly qualified administrators and educators and put it into the hands of less experienced, less educated, and more politically motivated school board members?</p>
<p>Also, I second Baker&#8217;s comments.</p>
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		<title>By: Not Only That</title>
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		<dc:creator>Not Only That</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 16:30:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Something else readers of this website may not know.  A few years ago, the Education Oversight Committee (the legislature, not the Department of Education) concluded that to fully fund all of the things the General Assembly requires schools to do, we&#039;d have to add nearly $600 million to the state education budget.  If we wanted to actually reach the standards we&#039;ve set for student learning, we&#039;d have to add $442 million.  And to reach the national median, we&#039;d have to add over a billion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Something else readers of this website may not know.  A few years ago, the Education Oversight Committee (the legislature, not the Department of Education) concluded that to fully fund all of the things the General Assembly requires schools to do, we&#8217;d have to add nearly $600 million to the state education budget.  If we wanted to actually reach the standards we&#8217;ve set for student learning, we&#8217;d have to add $442 million.  And to reach the national median, we&#8217;d have to add over a billion.</p>
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		<title>By: baker</title>
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		<dc:creator>baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:47:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A few thoughts: 

-- Any efforts to simplify education funding would make sense. The local officials. I spoke to a few years ago like Gov. Sanford&#039;s ideas about streamlining the funding system so they&#039;d have more flexibility. 

-- I&#039;m not an expert on school funding. It&#039;s really complicated. But my understanding is that at least some of the complexity has to do with all the various specific mandates from the state legislature. This isn&#039;t to say that the state DOE doesn&#039;t find way to muddle things further, but I don&#039;t think it would be accurate to place the blame entirely on the DOE (much as the GOP likes to slam Jim Rex and Inez Tenenbaum). 

-- It&#039;s interesting to note that Randy Page and others are touting flexibility for local school administrators. Don&#039;t the SCRG and other folks usually derisively call those people &quot;educrats&quot;? My guess is that any attention Page is giving to funding mechanisms -- especially the idea of a per-pupil &quot;back-packing&quot; -- is ultimately aimed at putting that per-pupil tax allotment toward private school choice. 


-- Here we go again with the oft-cited claim that less than 50% of the money makes it to the classroom. Will uses it this time. As I and others have pointed out, the Policy Council&#039;s claim is awfully shaky....The &quot;study&quot; they released a few years ago counted guidance counselors (required by law) and librarians (required by law, and obviously important as educators) against the public schools. 

They also counted one-time building projects that were in some cases paid for by the state legislature. In other words, the GOP-majority legislature was helping schools put money toward improving their facilities, but then the Policy Council characterized this spending as waste on the part of public school -- and then GOP legislators began citing the Policy Council&#039;s report. Strange. So, technically, sure, they pointed to non-classroom spending. But if you looked at the whole picture, it was pretty shoddy work on the Policy Council&#039;s part.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few thoughts: </p>
<p>&#8211; Any efforts to simplify education funding would make sense. The local officials. I spoke to a few years ago like Gov. Sanford&#8217;s ideas about streamlining the funding system so they&#8217;d have more flexibility. </p>
<p>&#8211; I&#8217;m not an expert on school funding. It&#8217;s really complicated. But my understanding is that at least some of the complexity has to do with all the various specific mandates from the state legislature. This isn&#8217;t to say that the state DOE doesn&#8217;t find way to muddle things further, but I don&#8217;t think it would be accurate to place the blame entirely on the DOE (much as the GOP likes to slam Jim Rex and Inez Tenenbaum). </p>
<p>&#8211; It&#8217;s interesting to note that Randy Page and others are touting flexibility for local school administrators. Don&#8217;t the SCRG and other folks usually derisively call those people &#8220;educrats&#8221;? My guess is that any attention Page is giving to funding mechanisms &#8212; especially the idea of a per-pupil &#8220;back-packing&#8221; &#8212; is ultimately aimed at putting that per-pupil tax allotment toward private school choice. </p>
<p>&#8211; Here we go again with the oft-cited claim that less than 50% of the money makes it to the classroom. Will uses it this time. As I and others have pointed out, the Policy Council&#8217;s claim is awfully shaky&#8230;.The &#8220;study&#8221; they released a few years ago counted guidance counselors (required by law) and librarians (required by law, and obviously important as educators) against the public schools. </p>
<p>They also counted one-time building projects that were in some cases paid for by the state legislature. In other words, the GOP-majority legislature was helping schools put money toward improving their facilities, but then the Policy Council characterized this spending as waste on the part of public school &#8212; and then GOP legislators began citing the Policy Council&#8217;s report. Strange. So, technically, sure, they pointed to non-classroom spending. But if you looked at the whole picture, it was pretty shoddy work on the Policy Council&#8217;s part.</p>
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		<title>By: Not Only That</title>
		<link>http://www.fitsnews.com/2008/07/23/sc-lawmakers-grapple-with-education-funding/#comment-31538</link>
		<dc:creator>Not Only That</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:32:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Department of Education didn&#039;t create the bottomless pit of programs it is required to administer -- the General Assembly and Congress did that.  The Department does what the law requires and spends money the way the law dictates, so it&#039;s not &quot;bureaucracy-driven waste,&quot; it&#039;s Legislature-driven waste.

Rolling up the funding and having it follow the child won&#039;t accomplish anything unless the General Assembly also eliminates the programs they require districts to offer and the Department to administer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Department of Education didn&#8217;t create the bottomless pit of programs it is required to administer &#8212; the General Assembly and Congress did that.  The Department does what the law requires and spends money the way the law dictates, so it&#8217;s not &#8220;bureaucracy-driven waste,&#8221; it&#8217;s Legislature-driven waste.</p>
<p>Rolling up the funding and having it follow the child won&#8217;t accomplish anything unless the General Assembly also eliminates the programs they require districts to offer and the Department to administer.</p>
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		<title>By: Palmetto Links - 06.24.08 : Wesley Donehue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Palmetto Links - 06.24.08 : Wesley Donehue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 11:41:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: jennifer</title>
		<link>http://www.fitsnews.com/2008/07/23/sc-lawmakers-grapple-with-education-funding/#comment-31507</link>
		<dc:creator>jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 05:24:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone who really wants to get into this issue should check out this study by the SC Policy Council, done by top experts in the country on funding the student.   http://www.scpolicycouncil.com/publications_article.aspx?category_id=11&amp;publication_id=66

This study outlines exactly how to fix this problem.  It rolls up all the categories into a formula with a few weights, including for poverty and gifted and talented.  There are some excellent recommendations in here on how to address specific problems.  This study should serve as a model for legislators who really want substantive change.  Good for Jeff Duncan and others who are taking on this complex issue....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone who really wants to get into this issue should check out this study by the SC Policy Council, done by top experts in the country on funding the student.   <a href="http://www.scpolicycouncil.com/publications_article.aspx?category_id=11&#038;publication_id=66" rel="nofollow">http://www.scpolicycouncil.com/publications_article.aspx?category_id=11&#038;publication_id=66</a></p>
<p>This study outlines exactly how to fix this problem.  It rolls up all the categories into a formula with a few weights, including for poverty and gifted and talented.  There are some excellent recommendations in here on how to address specific problems.  This study should serve as a model for legislators who really want substantive change.  Good for Jeff Duncan and others who are taking on this complex issue&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: smart Kid Grant</title>
		<link>http://www.fitsnews.com/2008/07/23/sc-lawmakers-grapple-with-education-funding/#comment-31493</link>
		<dc:creator>smart Kid Grant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 00:08:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I only wish that I could say something to this... sadly I know it all to be true.  There needs to be some sort of great overhaul for the whole educational system in this state because right now, there is no consistency in the way money is distributed, and education levels at each school very from the top (Dutch Fork) where almost all will go to college to the Corridor of Shame where they are lucky to learn how to write a simple sentence.  This is something that we must change very soon before all of our children will lose all of their opportunities that other places readily provide.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I only wish that I could say something to this&#8230; sadly I know it all to be true.  There needs to be some sort of great overhaul for the whole educational system in this state because right now, there is no consistency in the way money is distributed, and education levels at each school very from the top (Dutch Fork) where almost all will go to college to the Corridor of Shame where they are lucky to learn how to write a simple sentence.  This is something that we must change very soon before all of our children will lose all of their opportunities that other places readily provide.</p>
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