Fake Immigration Reform In South Carolina
BEHIND STATE LAWMAKERS’ PANDERPALOOZA
By Tim Manning, Jr.
FITSNews – July 16, 2008 – Immigration reform in South Carolina was a slow debate.
President Bush passed federal reform with the stroke of a pen on June 6, but in South Carolina, it took our legislature seven months to pass an identical bill. Our legislators periodically brought it up from December through June, throughout the entire year’s legislative session. They did lots of public grandstanding on it, all the while fevering fiendishly over how much pork they could sneak in under the radar.
The grandstanding I’m talking about is the E-Verify system endorsed by Tom Tancredo.
And, no, Tancredo is not guilty in this. In fact, he is perhaps the most abused. The source of the problem is the legislators in South Carolina and their benefactors who took his idea and passed a fake version of it.
In Georgia, after a groundswell of grassroots support, Gov. Sonny Purdue signed a tough immigration bill, and illegals immediately began leaving the state.
Many of them have come to South Carolina.
Here, however, there was never any proper channeling of a groundswell of support for a bill similar to Georgia’s.
To start with, our bill applies only to companies that receive government contracts – but some filter on the tidal wave is better than none, especially when illegal immigrants see it as a sign of diminished hospitality. And, in South Carolina, state government employs more people than any other single entity.
From the very beginning, the E-Verify plan was endorsed by the least likely of South Carolina Republicans to agree with anything that emanates from the mouth of Tom Tancredo. In fact, none of them would have been caught dead at either of the tiny gatherings put together for him by Confederate flag supporters during his two trips to the Palmetto State.
The legislators who proposed the bill were the crowd often referred to in these parts as “the Chamber crowd†or the Bush crowd. They are our state’s liberal or moderate Republicans, and they are tied into the establishment consultants who work for a man named Warren Tompkins.
The Tompkins coalition of political clients has dwindled to next to no one over the last few years. His most notable was President Bush. He also worked for Mitt Romney and consults with Sen. Jim DeMint and Rep. Bob Inglis.
His state legislative client incumbents have been retiring and losing elections, but are still strongly represented by Bobby Harrell and Joan Brady, who held the initial rally in support of the state bill that was drawn up by Tancredo.
It was an unlikely union that hard-right South Carolina politicos denounced as pandering: an unholy union of bad Republicans and good Tancredo legislation.
Support for the bill, S 0392, began to trickle in from legislators who endorsed, of all people, John McCain.
They made the difference and tipped the scales in favor of passing the bill. In fact, John McCain had three times as many endorsements from S.C. Republicans as any other candidate. His support in S.C. comes from Richard Quinn, Sr., Tompkins’s successor as the Big Dog of S.C. consultants.
After Harrell’s initial proposal of the legislation, State Senate Majority Leader Glenn McConnell announced his new American Amendment organization, whose purpose was to pass the E-Verify bill. Then, one by one, all of Quinn’s client legislators began chiming in.
Supporters of the bill heralded themselves as the champions of Americanism. They held rallies for America on the State House steps.
The only problem? None of the right people were there. Television news channels covered the rallies, but there was no grassroots support. No throng of the masses. Forty legislators posed for cameras, but they didn’t have a single supporter cheering them on. Not one.
And why not? After all, 1,000 people rallied in Greenville last year to protest the infamous “Pathway to Citizenship†bill. Long before there was even an immigration problem in South Carolina, most South Carolinians felt that Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity were far too nice to Lindsey “Grahamnesty†and John McCain.
The highlight of this year’s confusing and drawn-out squabbling over the supposed immigration crackdown was in March. Governor Mark Sanford’s Chief of Staff, Tom Davis—to his credit—resigned from office to run against one of the bill’s authors, State Senator Catherine Ceips.
Ceips’ campaign, in one of the boldest moves in recent memory in S.C. politics, got an illegal alien to break into her opponent’s house – yes, his personal residence!
Immediately following the illegal immigrant, Josias Mirales Ayala, came Ceips’s Chief of Staff, Randy Bates, carrying a camera and accompanied by a Spanish-speaking translator.
Ayala was happy to pose for the camera and talk about his status as an illegal worker.
The very next day, Ceips’s consultant, Rod Shealy, passed on the photos to the well-known Associated Press reporter, Jim Davenport, who immediately went to press with the scandal: “Senator Ceips’s Opponent Employs Illegal Aliensâ€.
The story claimed that Ayala worked for Partners Painting Company in Beaufort, S.C.
Their Manager, Henry Tome, immediately fired back. He said he’d never heard of Ayala, and provided legal papers on all of his employees. In fact, Davis had gone to extra lengths when choosing a company to paint his house. He insisted on one that provided papers on its employees before work began.
The Ceips scandal is emblematic of the fake-from-the-very-beginning immigration reform that passed this month in South Carolina.
Ceips’s illegal immigrant worker was just as fake as her co-authored bill (with Senators Ritchie, Sheheen, Campsen, and Scott).
Let’s take a look at the bill itself. It was essentially the same E-Verify policy that President Bush enacted on June 6, a policy championed by Tom Tancredo. However, in South Carolina, where McCain operatives have hijacked the state government and shot it through with 1960s-style tax-and-spend liberalism, the bill was carefully de-fanged.
State Senator Jim Ritchie offered an amended version of the bill, as below. Ritchie’s amendments are inserted in bold:
Section 41-8-10. (A) On and after July 1, 2009, all private employers of one hundred or more employees must:
(1) register and participate in the federal work authorization program to verify information of all new employees; and require agreement from its subcontractors, and through the subcontractors, the sub-subcontractors, to register and participate in the federal verification of information of all new employees; or
(2) timely and properly complete both the employer and employee portions of the federal Form I-9 documents on each employee, and maintain those documents in accordance with federal law; or
(3) employ only workers who:
(a) possess a valid South Carolina driver’s license or identification card issued by the South Carolina Department of Motor Vehicles; or
(b) are eligible to obtain a South Carolina driver’s license or identification card in that they meet the requirements set forth in S.C. Code Ann. Section 56-1-40 through 56-1-90; or
(c) possess a valid driver’s license or identification card from another state where the license requirements are at least as strict as those in South Carolina, as determined by the Attorney
General.
In other words, this law only allows the E-Verify system championed by Tancredo to be a legal option for government contractors who wish to use E-Verify.
It adds no new requirements to ensure that illegal aliens are not employed.
The Form I-9 is the old way of doing it. Using the words “timely and properly†is a totally disingenuous threat—similar to a dysfunctional parent who always threatens to spank their child but never actually follows through.
Ritchie never intended to follow through. In fact, he didn’t even make a real threat.
He changed the bill, essentially saying, “You don’t have to do it this new way. You can still do it the old way, if you want.â€
Beyond that, he inserted the extra ‘or’s’ in the third option sub-heads and watered that down, too. But the most important ‘or’s’ are the ones he inserted at the end of each section, which make the old Form I-9 just as legal as the new E-Verify system or any old basic fake ID.
In other words, Ritchie says, “If you’ve found a way to cheat the Form I-9, don’t worry. You can keep doing it.â€
How did this happen? Well, it started with State House Representative Jim Harrison.
Harrison—who is so closely connected with the Quinn-McCain-Graham machine that he is the only legislator to have his own office in Quinn’s own office building—sponsored the bill and rallied for the support of all of Quinn’s client legislators.
Why?
Farm Bureau Insurance.
Farm Bureau insures the twelve largest agribusiness-owned farms in South Carolina. As an aside, Farm Bureau’s own State House lobbyist was bypassed by their national team, who came in and gave large donations to the re-election campaigns of Ritchie, Harrison, and all of the other officeholders who supported the reform bill.
In an unexpected move, Gov. Sanford signed the S.C. bill only a few days after the President’s identical federal Executive Order.
The tall order of corporate deception on immigration reform is so high that our little South Carolina example should stand as an object lessen in how these dirty back room deals are manipulated into suicidal legislation.
For example, the S.C. McCain-Graham alliance is dependent, top to bottom, on corporate profits from illegal immigration.
The largest donor to Lindsey Graham’s first U.S. Senatorial election was Amick Farms, the largest employer of illegal immigrants in S.C.
Every Southern state has a town like Saluda, S.C. It’s virtually a third world country. The home of Amick Farms’s headquarters and poultry farms, it has come to be known as South Carolina’s “Little Mexico†— restaurants, convenience stores, cockfighting, the works.
Not to mention that it is deeply infested with M-13 gang warfare equal to that of the gang wars going on in Laredo, Texas. The city of Saluda also happens to be S.C.’s largest source of fake drivers licenses and social security cards.
Near my own home, in West Columbia, S.C., Amick Farms owns “the chicken plant.” Anyone who has driven down Sunset Boulevard during the shift change knows just what it looks like in Pamplona, Spain. The hundreds of workers running across the road to get to the parking lot might as well be the Running of the Bulls—complete with routine injuries and sometimes deaths. Don’t even think of upsetting yourself by looking into their child prostitution ring out on Monticello Road.
The first solution is obvious. It’s not about legislation. It’s about campaign funding. And it’s about one person, in particular: Roger Milliken. His money wasn’t enough to keep Quinn’s clients straight (perhaps in more ways than one).
They took Roger’s money, but Amick Farms and Farm Bureau matched his bid and doubled it. Quinn’s clients, Lindsey Graham included, have simultaneously grown squishy on Milliken’s favorite issue (trade). Are you listening Roger?
The object lesson for immigration reformers in other states is this: Watch out for fakes. Read the amendments carefully. Something good cannot be expected simply because your state is “so conservativeâ€. The only thing that stopped the McCain-Kennedy bill was an unprecedented outpouring of grassroots alarmism.
Don’t think your state legislators will do the right thing without the same kind of fire under their feet.
In South Carolina, they told us they were taking care of it. We thought they were listening to Tancredo. Guess again. We should have paid better attention. Like with so many other good bills, the death of E-Verify occurred while the legislature was singing its praises.








Comments
By Old Bike Dude on July 16th, 2008 at 5:53 am
This is certainly one of your best stories to date. The only question I have is “Why does it include a picture of the folks out in Burton avoiding the $3 ticket price at a local baseball game?”
Until we tar and feather a few businessmen this Mex thing will get out of hand!!
By FWFIV on July 16th, 2008 at 7:20 am
Our state legislators were able to posture and argue for the better part of a year over these bills, meanwhile pretty much all other serious issues in this state have been swept under the rug. It was also a huge re-election issue for most of them.
Why can’t we simply enforce the existing laws?
By rick on July 16th, 2008 at 7:45 am
#3 Money and Power. Good breakdown! This is why this type of information must remain in the public eye. The mainstream media won’t report the truth since the powers that own the state also own them. November is just around the corner and the voters will have another shot at Lindsey. More incumbents that were involved in this mess need to be elimenated from office as the voting cycles progress.
By Negatron on July 16th, 2008 at 7:48 am
I think if there were MS-13 gang wars going on in Saluda, it would be in the paper.
The chicken plant workers are from Mexico or South America. Spain is in Europe. The workers at the plant do not have a child prostitution ring on Monticello Road.
This is just standard right-wing racist pandering and fearmongering.
By baked on July 16th, 2008 at 8:44 am
Isn’t Roger Milliken like 118 years old now?
By Tim on July 16th, 2008 at 8:47 am
Negatron- Sorry I didn’t cite those 2 for you. You missed the cable TV documentaries on MS-13. Sumter County is also now famous nationwide for heavy concentrations. The child prostitution ring story came from a bit that WIS did last fall.
By veritas on July 16th, 2008 at 9:09 am
You say Bush signed his executive order June 6, two days before the Sc immigration bill. It passed June 4th or 2 days before. Also the bill applies to all employers not just government contractors. Also the I-9 is not an option for employers only E-verify or SC drivers license. Harrell also did not offer legislation until a year after the senate bill. Sen Peeler is the Senate majority leader.
Before you write columns, you may want to fact check and read H. 4400.
By Gene E. Nowak on July 16th, 2008 at 9:24 am
Surprise, surprise, surprise the lawyer/legislators crafted an unenforceable feel good law. Then touted it, with MSM’s help, as the best possible fix for our problem. They did that with tort reform, DUI reform and PACT testing reform legislation just to name a few of the latest legislative reforms.
By A de T. on July 16th, 2008 at 9:34 am
I’m with Veritas on this one:
Ritchie’s amendment DID NOT pass, and the E-Verify IS NOT optional. Plus, ALL employer’s (with a phase-in on size) are covered, NOT just government contractors.
Seriously, doesn’t that cut the heart out of most of the argument here?
By Johnny Utah on July 16th, 2008 at 9:57 am
@ #8:
It’s refreshing to see that someone actually knows what the hell actually went on with the immigration debate and passage of the bill. From start to finish, this post is riddled with inaccuracies and sheer ignorance of the goings-on around the SC legislature.
Tim, you should probably do some level of research beforehand. This could have been written back in April, when some of these accusations might have been true. H.4400 is the bill, and I-9 is no longer an option. Look it up: http://www.scstatehouse.net
Will, you run a fine blog… don’t let it be sullied by allowing guest bloggers to post “stories” devoid of facts.
By Negatron on July 16th, 2008 at 10:35 am
Tim – the only stories I can find about MS-13 activity in Saluda county are about graffitti. Not exactly a “gang war.” Google has literally nothing on MS-13 activity in Sumter County – not exactly “famous nationwide.”
Also – your article says that the Amick Farms workers – all of them, in your imprecise writing – have a “child prostitution ring” on Monticello Road. But there’s nothing in the news to support that.
More straight B-S from the FITSNews b-team.
By Emerald Bar on July 16th, 2008 at 10:55 am
Just another fact-free winger posting. I’m in Saluda every term of General Sessions Court. I appear in the Town of Saluda Municipal Court every month. I asked Zeb, Chief Farmer, Holloway, ASOLs Young and Maye. There’s no MS-13 in Saluda and all of the above will deny as total BS. A high school guero painting it on a dumpster(and getting caught) is not proof.
Now Sheriff Booth is not above publicly lyin’ but everybody in the Saluda criminal justice system knows he’s a fool. You’ve got a Sheriff who has yet to be in General Sessions Court in the last three years!
The only “gang warfare” going on is in the fevered minds of y’alls postings. I suppose if the Mexican Pool Hall bar fight over cheating in an nine-ball game at 2:30 a.m., between two barrochitos constitutes gang warfare, then the post is correct.
I’d challenge you to FOIA every incident report in the last 60 days from the SCSD. You’ll find no corroboration for your post. Try again when y’all have some facts.
By LegaEagle on July 16th, 2008 at 11:38 am
If anyone knows for sure these plants are hiring IA’s call the ICE Hot Line or report them online.ICE does check out these leads.
By Gal Leo on July 16th, 2008 at 12:17 pm
Most of this post is just flat wrong. It should be taken down, and disowned by FITS.
By Gal Leo on July 16th, 2008 at 12:51 pm
And all of the folks who piled-on in the first half-dozen posts might want to rethink their vitriol on this one….
By Lawyer bashing again, get a clue on July 16th, 2008 at 1:12 pm
# 9 how is this all of a sudden an issue of lawyers considering there were plenty of legislators who voted for this bill that were not lawyers. As usual in this state, ignorant rednecks look to lawyers as the scape goat instead of career politicians who will vote for whatever helps their bank accounts. There are plenty of these politicians on both sides of the aisle who are not lawyers, keep that in mind.
By Tim on July 16th, 2008 at 1:57 pm
#’s 8, 10, & 11: The point is the money trail and the grandstanding fraud. The SC legislature postured and posed for cameras, while they packed in all the pork they could during the entire session. Then this ridiculous bill did absolutely nothing. Like I said… the shift change at the chicken plant occurs in 5 minutes. Maybe you can make it and see what I mean. #5: Are you saying Obama is right that all schoolchildren should have to learn “Mexican”? Learn how to read… You’ll see what I mean on Sunset Boulevard.
Make all of the pinpricks you want in my narrative, but I’m still right about the money and the power. Did you really think SC voluntarily handed the nomination to Juan McCain, or that we’re all really happy with our Señor Senator Grahamnesty?
By from Anderson SC on July 16th, 2008 at 2:20 pm
Tim Manning Jr. was for several years on the staff of First Impressions, Inc., but quit because of its dogged banality. Here he exposes a subject long overdue: the true depths of political rot among Republican figures in S.C. politics. It is surreal — and if true, which I feel we have no reason to doubt, the missing link in our state’s political pathology. Notice a few of those who he implicates e.g. Catherine Ceips (Real ID) and the slimiest of sewer snakes, Sinator Glenn McCONnell.
This skewering of the Chamber(s) of Commerce are particularly apt. Call them Chambers of Communism, that’s what they really are — and they are damaging vastly beyond what most people would ever imagine.
By Tim on July 16th, 2008 at 2:34 pm
#’s 12, 13, & 15: Have you ever ventured away from downtown Saluda, into the rest of the county? I would also recommend a quick visit into the Sumter prison that is now one of America’s top-of-the-line MS-13 holding locations.
btw, why is it always the Charlotte Observer that breaks our big law-and-order scandals: Top SC Chicken Plants HR Director Indicted – http://www.charlotte.com/local/story/706768.html
Bill Amick dropped his account with Quinndom after the amnesty attempt failed last year. I guess he’s paying the price. But what about the 12 biggest agribusiness farmers that lobby through Farm Bureau national? Maybe that explains Sumter??
By Johnny Utah on July 16th, 2008 at 2:53 pm
Tim,
I’d say that if you want a point proven, then it’s best done using facts. You copied and pasted an excerpt from a bill that didn’t even pass. The bill that was finally enacted requires the use of e-verify or a valid SC DL for all employers. A state can’t do much more than that and stay within the confines of the US Constitution. I agree with you that there is a problem in this state and this country, and we definitely need it to be addressed. It starts at the border and with employers. The federal government has the only real ability to solve it and that is by turning off the spigot from the Rio Grande that is flooding our country. Pork is a problem… that has to be dealt with on its own. Again, you’re not necessarily off point, just misrepresenting what actually happened.
By Rally Wheel Man on July 16th, 2008 at 3:21 pm
Wasn’t Mr. Manning Fired from his previous position with First Impressions
By Juarez El Machio on July 16th, 2008 at 3:27 pm
Listen up Gringos. MS-13 is all up in Saluda county and coming to a town near you. We have changed our image. Now we have mustaches and wear blue jeans, dirty t-shirts, and cowboy boots and drive old painter’s vans or beat-up pick up trucks. If you see us, watch out cuz we are DANGEROUS. DONT YOU KNOW I’M LOCO?!?
By Gal Leo on July 16th, 2008 at 3:35 pm
Tim:
My comments did not regard the situation in Saluda. I was speaking to the assertions about the bill, now law. You (I assume you are the author) offered that 1) Se. Ritchie gutted the bill, 2) the law, as passed, made E-verify optional and 3) the law, as passed, only applied to government contractors.
Those things, simply, are just wrong. By that, I mean that to the extent we still live in a world where there is an objective truth, those assertions are objectively FALSE.
With that being known, I would suggest that it weakens your basic premise, which is that the Legislature passed a do-nothing, feel-good law.
That is certainly valid criticism on a regular basis, but not here.
PS: My understanding is that the SC Chamber was also opposed to the final version of the bill, although I only have that second-hand. I do know for a fact that many Chamber members were opposed.
By Philip Branton on July 16th, 2008 at 3:49 pm
Tim …DEAD ON about our State’s newspapers. All of them. These COMRADS wouldn’t print the WHOLE truth and nothing but the truth if their lives depended on it.
We have Santee “Sandanista” Cooper trying to get a COAL fired plant permitted for the PEE DEE region when we all know we have Nuclear fuel and JOBS in Aiken. Where is this being BLASTED in print or any CITY, COUNTY or STATE official being held accountable.
We have ROGER MILLIKEN getting a METHANE lollipop for energy when we all KNOW that all of OUR landfills could be closed forever with the machines from http://www.startech.net. The Spartanburg-Hola’ should be ashamed as well as all papers. The taxpayers are getting RAPED. Spartanburg runs a 1 MILLION defecit in the trash dept but yet turns to taxpayers instead of selling the energy from the trash to reap tax revenue from 4 revenue sources. Our newspapers are purposely UN-informing the public that BUYS their publications.
Have we seen ONE report of truckloads of “VISITORS” actually leaving in print from ONE paper in OUR State??
By Silence Dogood on July 16th, 2008 at 7:06 pm
FITS this is terrible, something about going down hill…you start to go faster and faster…
By TJ on July 16th, 2008 at 7:58 pm
Tim Manning = Looney Tunes
By Tim on July 17th, 2008 at 9:10 am
#21- If all that is required is a SC DL, any 12 year-old can get one of those in Saluda Co. for $50, along with a SS card. Believe me, the DOJ is doing all they can.
#24- You are in denial. That is, denial that the rot within our SC GOP is in collusion with McCain and actively campaigning to pass the McCain-Kennedy bill asap after Nov. 4. You are also in denail that the root of the problem is our own homegrown traitor, Señor Grahamnesty (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BB48fmsRKt4). Our SC bill failed to do what even Gov. Perdue’s did in Georgia. That’s why the migration from Dalton to SC, etc.
#22- I wish First Impressions had fired me. Then they would have had to come up with a good reason for a disagreement. Instead, I created one by bolting in Sept. to campaign against McCain and Grahamnesty. Even Rod Shealy knows that. I officially resigned in Jan.
Here’s a subject for another time: My 3 1/2 hour long exit interview with Richard Quinn, Sr. was interesting. He spent at least half of that time obsessing over trying to convince me that McCain-Kennedy was not really “amnesty”. I told him that even Rush Limbaugh had more sense than that, and that he was destroying himself to take such a stupid position. #19 is right. Richard Quinn, Sr. and Charles Hamel even begged me to “still be friends with us”. Yeah right. As one person told me: “You know too much.” I resigned because I couldn’t stand to keep making excuses to even my close personal friends for my pro-amnesty employers. I wasn’t the only one to resign over this, but I was the 2nd-longest standing employee who did. The other worked for First Impressions for appox. 20 years, and quit last summer, just after the fever pitch of the McCain-Kennedy debate.
Everyone on here who is defending the Quinndom immigration position is just as I said in my public explanation for resigning: stupid, stupid, stupid, and (as the above article shows) also corrupt.
Switch sides while you still can: http://www.BobConleyForSenate.com/
By What MS-13 Has Done To Saluda SC! on July 17th, 2008 at 9:22 am
http://www.americanshavehadenough.org/Saluda_Destroyed.htm
By Suzie on July 17th, 2008 at 9:26 am
For all you Grahamnesty lovers,I live by Myrtle beach and MS13 are here and a Latino market some times 2 of them are on every block.
Have you checked your DHEC stats? Most of the diseases have double in the bigger county’s and guess who carries all these diseases? Undocumented illegal aliens(Felons) and the parts of the bill that are inforsceable you didn’t bother addressing is you are a felon if you are harboring any of these felons or renting to them and if they are arrested with their fake IDS or papers or SSI,they are being deported. So write the truth about the rest of the bill. The E-verify was a compromise but sorry to tell you the rest of the bill is enforcable as of June 6,20008 and the companies hiring can be turned into the IRS for tax fraud and tax evasion. All of you get off duffs and do your part. And start a FIRE colalition or Minutemanhq.com chapter.
We the People can take back our country. If your not going to do anything than you are part of the problem!
By legislative analysis on July 17th, 2008 at 9:33 am
H3032 died in conference, the one where Ritchie passed the baton to McCONnell and Glenn introduced the SC-Verify, which was nothing but SC I-9.
H4400 was analyzed by immigration lawyers and you can read the analysis here: http://americanshavehadenough.org/IRLI_H4400.htm. This was a McConnell compromise with Harrell and the governor’s office. As you will see there are loopholes in there.
By Gal Leo on July 17th, 2008 at 9:46 am
Will:
Judging by the level of intellectual activity reflected in post #29, I strongly suggest that you review your position on guest blogging. If I wanted to read mindless ranting I would there are plenty of places I can go in the blogosphere.
If this keeps up, you may be having some of the same problems the GOP has about controlling its brand.
By former SC Republican on July 17th, 2008 at 10:17 am
Will all employees of First Impressions please stand up?
By shedding the scales from my eyes on July 17th, 2008 at 10:29 am
Richard Quinn = the new Warren Tompkins
By Roy D. Mercer on July 17th, 2008 at 2:15 pm
tim,
the “chicken plant” in west columbia is owned by columbia farms…it’s clearly displayed on the side of the building. columbia farms and amick farms are different companies owned by different people. maybe becoming a little more aware of your surroundings would help with getting your facts straight in your writings. you did say it was near your home, right??
By Silence Dogood on July 17th, 2008 at 4:14 pm
“The hundreds of workers running across the road to get to the parking lot might as well be the Running of the Bulls—complete with routine injuries and sometimes deaths. Don’t even think of upsetting yourself by looking into their child prostitution ring out on Monticello Road.”
I meant to mention this earlier, but the complete idocracy of so many other aspects of this article were more than I could handle at first. I just wonder why, after the lucrative and probably time consuming job of child prositution (that obviously everyone of hispanic dissent at the Chicken plant merrily participates in) would they have the time or financial need to work that second hourly wage job processing chickens?
By Tim on July 17th, 2008 at 5:35 pm
#36: Are you saying that when it comes to amnesty, that you do not believe in equal opportunity? That’s funny since that’s just a flip-floppy position to take. But I’m not for equal opportunity amnesty either—I’m just on the other side of it. They all need to pay (not just some of them, which actually means none of them): House of Raeford Farms, Amick Farms, Kratt Foods, Columbia Farms, Louis Rich, …who else?? Farm Bureau can give you the list. In this case, they’re all synonymous, but the Charlotte Observer even says that at least the two you mention, ‘Columbia’ and ‘Amick’, are actually, in reality, synonymous, too. The money trail always goes back to Bill Amick.
#37: Dude, if Monticello ain’t your thing, they be some ladies on Two Notch Road who can fill all of your fantasies and tell you how they find the time and the financial “need”.
Keep squirming, people, keep squirming. South Carolinians like amnesty about as much as they like all of the tax-and-spending you want along with it.
By roofus on July 17th, 2008 at 6:37 pm
I used to work at Self Memorial in Greenwood and delivered numerous “Anchor Babies.” If the taxpayers of South Carolina only knew how much the illegals cost in terms of health care dollars and health care resources, then the Amicks would be run out of town on a rail… Maybe that is why Old Man Amick has relocated to the North Carolina Mountains…
By TJ on July 17th, 2008 at 7:14 pm
Cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs
By Gal Leo on July 17th, 2008 at 7:51 pm
At the risk of trying to turn this into a real discussion of issues — we can always hope, can’t we? — could someone please describe for me what is wrong with the bill the Legislature passed this year?
And Tim, in doing so, you may want to refer to the actual bill — the one that became law…yes, that one — not the various failed versions that, well, didn’t actually become law…like the ones you referenced in the original post.
By Jerry Mander on July 18th, 2008 at 6:55 am
This editorial is just plain retarded Will. It isn’t accurate and it isn’t funny or even sarcastic. Certainly not up to you normal standards. Hopefully, marriage hasn’t ruined you forever.
All though I do respect your wisdom in usign an alias to publish it.
By Tim on July 18th, 2008 at 11:42 am
#41 and some others remind me of anal public educators who give C’s to students who write conservative A papers. The thesis holds together. The point is about betrayal and amnesty and a huge fraud on the taxpayers. Yes, there are factual errors, but there are none that proove the main piont wrong—that is, that the SC GOP establishment is totally devoid of honesty about their propagandafest.
Want to look at H4400? Look at this: http://americanshavehadenough.org/IRLI_H4400.htm. The bill is just as big a fraud, if not more elaborately, as S0392. It intentionally undermines salient aspects that were present in both the Oklahoma and Georgia bills. It even provides for more health care handouts to illegals.
Sure, toward the end of debate on the bill, some of the right people were humored. But they were exploited. The result of H4400: More illegals in SC and more spending on illegals in SC.
By notverybright on July 18th, 2008 at 12:58 pm
Tim, do you consider this blog post to be “a conservative A paper?” Just wondering….
By H4400 = tax and spend on July 18th, 2008 at 10:04 pm
Was this article part of a campaign to get more health care handouts to illegals?: http://www.charlotte.com/716/story/487186.html
By SCene on July 19th, 2008 at 12:01 pm
“Yes, there are factual errors, but there are none that proove the main piont wrong”
Why should I waste my time reading your article if you won’t even take time to check your facts?
You are sad human being for stereotyping an entire race of people as you did in this article. Maybe when you go back and check your facts, you can go spend some time with the people that you know sooo much about that you can accuse them of child prostitution rings etc.
One day everyone will wake up and realize that illegal immigration isn’t going to be solved by trying to round up all of the mexicans and send them back. If you think this is a realistic possibility then you are dreaming. That will be as successful as the “war on drugs.”
By Tim on July 19th, 2008 at 4:57 pm
Repeal NAFTA & CAFTA, and they start going back home.
By Gal Leo on July 19th, 2008 at 7:50 pm
I have many times on this page spoken out against ad hominem attacks. So, it is not lightly that I suggest that, after reading his original post, and his various comments, that Tim must be an idiot.
Glad to see the boss is back in charge. The guest posting experiment in his absence was a complete failure.
By Tim on July 21st, 2008 at 8:34 am
Dear Gal Leo (since you are the only one still reading this):
The best you’ve come up with is schoolyard name-calling. Great intellectual feat there. Almost Exclusively ad hominem attacks. Not to mention all of the others from you and your RQ&A cronies under pseudonymns.
I have one thing to say to you Gal: Grow a sack.
By Yikes-ers on July 21st, 2008 at 1:38 pm
Tim, you wrote an entire article on the flawed premises of a bill that did not actually pass the state house, GET A BRAIN.
By Tim on July 21st, 2008 at 5:13 pm
It passed. Except it was called H4400. Sorry to get the name wrong for you retards—and I really mean that: I’m sorry. But H4400 neuters E-Verify. Not only that, but it gives health care benefits to illegals.
Come on dumbasses. The point of the article is that you are traitors for having faith in people who are taking money from those who force their beneficiaries to do exactly the opposite of what their propaganda says they’re doing. Let that sink in a little bit. If that doesn’t convince you that I’m right… well, wait until you see the complexion of South Carolina after 2 more years of this crap.
By US Economics on July 27th, 2008 at 8:05 am
Nothing good ever comes of violence.MartinLutherMartin Luther
By 9/11 Commission on July 27th, 2008 at 7:26 pm
This is the way the world ends: not with a bang, but a whimper.ThomasStearnsEliotThomas Stearns Eliot, aka T. S. Eliot
By 9/11 on July 28th, 2008 at 5:41 am
Conflict builds character. Crisis defines it.StevenV.ThulonSteven V. Thulon
By George4009 on August 1st, 2008 at 9:10 am
How are they going to grandstand now? Even the feds are yanking e-verify!
http://www.greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080801/NEWS01/308010003&referrer=FRONTPAGECAROUSEL
Down with Bob Inglis and Lindsey Graham!
By jtppr2 on August 3rd, 2008 at 6:47 am
Not only do most of the provisions of this bill NOT go into effect until next year, they only cover newly hired employees after the effective date of the bill. Employers are not required to do any extra checks on their current employees. So, a shady employer can hire a whole crapload of illegals on the day before the effective date even if he doesn’t really need them at the moment. Then, when he does need them, he can pick and choose from the list with impunity
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