Comments on: The South Is Rising Again … In Florida http://www.fitsnews.com/2008/06/01/the-south-is-rising-again-in-florida/ Unfair ... Imbalanced Sun, 22 Nov 2009 04:24:32 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Russell http://www.fitsnews.com/2008/06/01/the-south-is-rising-again-in-florida/comment-page-1/#comment-72457 Russell Sun, 18 Oct 2009 01:38:05 +0000 http://www.fitsnews.com/?p=3801#comment-72457 Yall that think that the battle flag has anything to do with hate and racism and ignorance and what not like that are wrong my friends. I agree that if they are trying to make a statement it would have made more since to raise the national flag and not the battle colors. The only issue with that is most people in the world don't know that there's a difference. Majority of Americans would have been asking what that flag was. That's how sad it is back home. We as a country don't know our history. The Battle Flag wasn't flown to try and fuel hatred or stir up anger. It was flown to make sure that no one forgets our past. It can't be helped that their are groups in the states that use the Confederate battle flag as signs of hate and oppression. That's where your right, some people are all filled with anger and need something to lash out on. They find these hate groups as havens for their insecurities and ways to unleash their pain. As for the flag symbolizing all that mess yall have stated, your all wrong. Dead wrong. "My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause." -- August 22, 1862 - Letter to Horace Greeley With that being said could you argue that Lincoln really didn't care about slavery? Therefor the American Flag is just as much a sign of hate as the Confederate flag? I'm not a racist, or a man full of hate towards any color. I hate ignorant people that don't know their history. If we fail to know and understand our past we are doomed to repeat it and fail once again. I am a Marine stationed in Japan and I fly my flag proudly in my room where all can see it through my window and on my wall. I have friends of both genders and every race and color. It's a symbol, your right. But a symbol of home and everything that I'm missing. Just a little food for thought. Yall that think that the battle flag has anything to do with hate and racism and ignorance and what not like that are wrong my friends. I agree that if they are trying to make a statement it would have made more since to raise the national flag and not the battle colors. The only issue with that is most people in the world don’t know that there’s a difference. Majority of Americans would have been asking what that flag was. That’s how sad it is back home. We as a country don’t know our history. The Battle Flag wasn’t flown to try and fuel hatred or stir up anger. It was flown to make sure that no one forgets our past. It can’t be helped that their are groups in the states that use the Confederate battle flag as signs of hate and oppression. That’s where your right, some people are all filled with anger and need something to lash out on. They find these hate groups as havens for their insecurities and ways to unleash their pain. As for the flag symbolizing all that mess yall have stated, your all wrong. Dead wrong.

“My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause.”
– August 22, 1862 – Letter to Horace Greeley
With that being said could you argue that Lincoln really didn’t care about slavery? Therefor the American Flag is just as much a sign of hate as the Confederate flag?

I’m not a racist, or a man full of hate towards any color. I hate ignorant people that don’t know their history. If we fail to know and understand our past we are doomed to repeat it and fail once again. I am a Marine stationed in Japan and I fly my flag proudly in my room where all can see it through my window and on my wall. I have friends of both genders and every race and color. It’s a symbol, your right. But a symbol of home and everything that I’m missing. Just a little food for thought.

]]> By: w.j.walker http://www.fitsnews.com/2008/06/01/the-south-is-rising-again-in-florida/comment-page-1/#comment-59450 w.j.walker Mon, 29 Jun 2009 18:54:01 +0000 http://www.fitsnews.com/?p=3801#comment-59450 Seriously folks, Is it not time to grow with each other instead of inventing windmills to tilt. The actual confederat (I believe naval jack) not battle flag might very well be offensive to some and comforting to others as it concerns their heritage. What do we gain by spending our resources trying to change others? NOTHING ! Absolutely nothing. Time and hard work by many in my generation, with serious risks to our own and our families safety and even lives has indeed brought about change, However it was by our efforts not words that such happened, not violence, not shunning the society we weshed to change, It was by the sweat, blood and labor that persons of our generation worked through the very halls and places of power till we rose and changed the laws allowing you the griping majority to nitpick and find really inane and utterly useless causes to shout about. Alright so you want to change the world, I agree with you, YOU the people of America can do this. Find a cause that needs you and follow thru, Sure there are areas in the civil rights of all races and creeds that need attention, however taking beliefs and rights from others does not make a soultion correct or even right. Grow up and help in the building of America tomorrow not yesterday that fight is over. Try alien entry laws that are fair to all, Childerns rights that include educational safety, Mandatory treatment for children with agressive mental illness noted in violent behavior to other children and animals, A law that actually from federal level defines and enforces the treatment of our elderly. Is that enough if not email me I have a long list, I will share. In the mean time unless you are willing to throw away all non current American flags symbols, historic persons clothing and referances, let the poor people in Florida alone please. As my mother told me don't talk about your neighbors dirty step till yours is clean. Seriously folks, Is it not time to grow with each other instead of inventing windmills to tilt. The actual confederat (I believe naval jack) not battle flag might very well be offensive to some and comforting to others as it concerns their heritage. What do we gain by spending our resources trying to change others? NOTHING ! Absolutely nothing. Time and hard work by many in my generation, with serious risks to our own and our families safety and even lives has indeed brought about change, However it was by our efforts not words that such happened, not violence, not shunning the society we weshed to change, It was by the sweat, blood and labor that persons of our generation worked through the very halls and places of power till we rose and changed the laws allowing you the griping majority to nitpick and find really inane and utterly useless causes to shout about. Alright so you want to change the world, I agree with you, YOU the people of America can do this. Find a cause that needs you and follow thru, Sure there are areas in the civil rights of all races and creeds that need attention, however taking beliefs and rights from others does not make a soultion correct or even right. Grow up and help in the building of America tomorrow not yesterday that fight is over.
Try alien entry laws that are fair to all, Childerns rights that include educational safety, Mandatory treatment for children with agressive mental illness noted in violent behavior to other children and animals, A law that actually from federal level defines and enforces the treatment of our elderly. Is that enough if not email me I have a long list, I will share. In the mean time unless you are willing to throw away all non current American flags symbols, historic persons clothing and referances, let the poor people in Florida alone please. As my mother told me don’t talk about your neighbors dirty step till yours is clean.

]]> By: Josh http://www.fitsnews.com/2008/06/01/the-south-is-rising-again-in-florida/comment-page-1/#comment-56986 Josh Wed, 10 Jun 2009 03:48:56 +0000 http://www.fitsnews.com/?p=3801#comment-56986 absolutley no slaves were brought to this country under any confederate flag. it was all done sailing under the american flag. importing slaves was outlawed by the time of the sucession absolutley no slaves were brought to this country under any confederate flag. it was all done sailing under the american flag. importing slaves was outlawed by the time of the sucession

]]> By: teamh814 http://www.fitsnews.com/2008/06/01/the-south-is-rising-again-in-florida/comment-page-1/#comment-52187 teamh814 Sun, 19 Apr 2009 13:24:39 +0000 http://www.fitsnews.com/?p=3801#comment-52187 hello all. i am a well educated white man living in PA. i fly the flag of my ancestors. on my skin and in my heart, i wear it every day. only...my flag is not the stars and bars. my ancestors were SS. i bear that symbol, as well as the swastika. all this i tell you for one thing. symbols are what you make them, and absolutely nothing else. any one flag shows as much racism or tolerance as the observer chooses to see in it. hang on to your rights, america. as long as the liberal minority has ruled the right wing majority, you should know that eventually the tables will be turned. hold on to what means something to you! hello all. i am a well educated white man living in PA. i fly the flag of my ancestors. on my skin and in my heart, i wear it every day. only…my flag is not the stars and bars. my ancestors were SS. i bear that symbol, as well as the swastika. all this i tell you for one thing. symbols are what you make them, and absolutely nothing else. any one flag shows as much racism or tolerance as the observer chooses to see in it. hang on to your rights, america. as long as the liberal minority has ruled the right wing majority, you should know that eventually the tables will be turned. hold on to what means something to you!

]]> By: Jack Anthony http://www.fitsnews.com/2008/06/01/the-south-is-rising-again-in-florida/comment-page-1/#comment-51637 Jack Anthony Mon, 13 Apr 2009 05:34:55 +0000 http://www.fitsnews.com/?p=3801#comment-51637 I totally support the raising of this symbol of history. For years nobody cared that the Stars n bars was on the county symbol, the county courthouse, the city symbol and the list goes on. Too many people from up north tried to impose they're will on us and force crap on us that makes no sense. GO BACK TO NEW YORK & BOSTON...PLEASE!!! As I recall they're is more racism in those shitholes than there has ever been here. Many Black soiders, cooks, and supplies officers fought bravely for the Confedere cause. Would you call them racist names as you have called the MEN who are raising this flag???? I believe in freedom first most. They have every right to raise this flag and I am damn proud of them for standing up for a history that is sadly dying off down here due to massive migration from all parts of the world. I totally support the raising of this symbol of history. For years nobody cared that the Stars n bars was on the county symbol, the county courthouse, the city symbol and the list goes on. Too many people from up north tried to impose they’re will on us and force crap on us that makes no sense. GO BACK TO NEW YORK & BOSTON…PLEASE!!! As I recall they’re is more racism in those shitholes than there has ever been here. Many Black soiders, cooks, and supplies officers fought bravely for the Confedere cause. Would you call them racist names as you have called the MEN who are raising this flag???? I believe in freedom first most. They have every right to raise this flag and I am damn proud of them for standing up for a history that is sadly dying off down here due to massive migration from all parts of the world.

]]> By: 8milereb http://www.fitsnews.com/2008/06/01/the-south-is-rising-again-in-florida/comment-page-1/#comment-50575 8milereb Sat, 28 Mar 2009 17:59:00 +0000 http://www.fitsnews.com/?p=3801#comment-50575 Controversial Confederate Flag Raising Ceremony by FOX News Crews By Orlando Salinas I thought I’d only see Caucasians attending a controversial Confederate flag raising ceremony, early on Saturday morning in Tampa, Florida. That’s what I get for thinking. But there they were- a smattering of African Americans, mixing it up with Caucasian bikers wearing Confederate flag jean jackets and caps. But what really caught my eye was seeing some of those same African American folks also sporting the controversial symbol on their bodies too. Right smack dab at the politically powerful junction of Interstate 4 and I-75… hoisted 139 feet up in the in the air, was what most Americans call the flag of the Confederacy, but what is more correctly referred to by historians as “a soldiers flag.” And that flag is huge, 50 feet by 30 feet, about the same size as the U.S. flag, flown over over mega-sized car lots across the country. Car dealers fly the stars and stripes partly out of patriotism, and partly for publicity. And the sons of Confederate veterans, Florida division, is no different. Marion Lambert, who owns the sliver-size piece of property where the flag has been displayed, calls himself a proud member of the sons of Confederate veterans, who says his local organization would never defend the painful issue of slavery. And, as I watched Caucasian and some African Americans, hoist that heavy flag 139 feet in the air, there was a collective but “Out of tune” rendition of “I wish I was in Dixie,” and yep, African Americans folks were singing it too, and off key as well. The local chapter of the NAACP has condemned this event. Calling it racist, and an abomination to millions of Americans, both African American and Caucasian . I was told it would not talk anymore to the media about this issue, saying it would only bring more publicity to the sons of confederate veterans. I pushed a little more, and was told the national NAACP, had given orders to the local chapter, to no longer talk to the press, saying it would only hurt Senator Barack Obama, the presumed Democrat presidential nominee, “Who needs the votes of those kinds of people in Kentucky, Tennessee, West Virginia, and Ohio.” I asked “What do you mean those kinds of people?” His response- ‘’You know what i mean.’’ Throughout the morning, motorcycles rumbled in and out of the parking lot, making it hard to hear, and these folks wanted to be heard. Marion Lambert told me he wants people to notice the flag, wants people to ask, “Why is that huge flag being flown here in Tampa.” Lamberts answer was simple enough: “I want people to talk to us, let us tell ‘em we’re not for slavery, we’re not for racism, we don’t hate minorities. We just want to show pride and reverence to our ancestors. We don’t agree with the slavery part, it was wrong, but we can’t ignore this flag. It represents our southern heritage, the good that we want to remember, and the bad part we should never forget.” So there it was, white and black folks, some sitting on cinder blocks, smoking pipes. One elderly African American man wearing a suit and a Confederate tie, back-slapping and joking with a younger Caucasian man wearing so many Confederate symbols, he looked like the poster child for the event. The local NAACP has called these Confederate flag-supporting blacks “out of touch,” saying they don’t represent black America. I asked the older black man in the Confederate tie, what he thought about the NAACP’s comment, he said “I’m about as black as it gets, I’m the grandson of slaves, I’m a U.S. war veteran, and I’m just as proud of this (Confederate) flag, because it represents my heritage too. And the NAACP doesn’t represent all of black America either.” Sure wasn’t what I expected to hear. Controversial Confederate Flag Raising Ceremony
by FOX News Crews
By Orlando Salinas
I thought I’d only see Caucasians attending a controversial Confederate flag raising ceremony, early on Saturday morning in Tampa, Florida. That’s what I get for thinking.
But there they were- a smattering of African Americans, mixing it up with Caucasian bikers wearing Confederate flag jean jackets and caps. But what really caught my eye was seeing some of those same African American folks also sporting the controversial symbol on their bodies too.
Right smack dab at the politically powerful junction of Interstate 4 and I-75… hoisted 139 feet up in the in the air, was what most Americans call the flag of the Confederacy, but what is more correctly referred to by historians as “a soldiers flag.”
And that flag is huge, 50 feet by 30 feet, about the same size as the U.S. flag, flown over over mega-sized car lots across the country. Car dealers fly the stars and stripes partly out of patriotism, and partly for publicity. And the sons of Confederate veterans, Florida division, is no different.
Marion Lambert, who owns the sliver-size piece of property where the flag has been displayed, calls himself a proud member of the sons of Confederate veterans, who says his local organization would never defend the painful issue of slavery. And, as I watched Caucasian and some African Americans, hoist that heavy flag 139 feet in the air, there was a collective but “Out of tune” rendition of “I wish I was in Dixie,” and yep, African Americans folks were singing it too, and off key as well.
The local chapter of the NAACP has condemned this event. Calling it racist, and an abomination to millions of Americans, both African American and Caucasian . I was told it would not talk anymore to the media about this issue, saying it would only bring more publicity to the sons of confederate veterans. I pushed a little more, and was told the national NAACP, had given orders to the local chapter, to no longer talk to the press, saying it would only hurt Senator Barack Obama, the presumed Democrat presidential nominee, “Who needs the votes of those kinds of people in Kentucky, Tennessee, West Virginia, and Ohio.” I asked “What do you mean those kinds of people?” His response- ‘’You know what i mean.’’
Throughout the morning, motorcycles rumbled in and out of the parking lot, making it hard to hear, and these folks wanted to be heard. Marion Lambert told me he wants people to notice the flag, wants people to ask, “Why is that huge flag being flown here in Tampa.”
Lamberts answer was simple enough: “I want people to talk to us, let us tell ‘em we’re not for slavery, we’re not for racism, we don’t hate minorities. We just want to show pride and reverence to our ancestors. We don’t agree with the slavery part, it was wrong, but we can’t ignore this flag. It represents our southern heritage, the good that we want to remember, and the bad part we should never forget.”
So there it was, white and black folks, some sitting on cinder blocks, smoking pipes. One elderly African American man wearing a suit and a Confederate tie, back-slapping and joking with a younger Caucasian man wearing so many Confederate symbols, he looked like the poster child for the event. The local NAACP has called these Confederate flag-supporting blacks “out of touch,” saying they don’t represent black America.
I asked the older black man in the Confederate tie, what he thought about the NAACP’s comment, he said “I’m about as black as it gets, I’m the grandson of slaves, I’m a U.S. war veteran, and I’m just as proud of this (Confederate) flag, because it represents my heritage too. And the NAACP doesn’t represent all of black America either.”
Sure wasn’t what I expected to hear.

]]> By: 8milereb http://www.fitsnews.com/2008/06/01/the-south-is-rising-again-in-florida/comment-page-1/#comment-50574 8milereb Sat, 28 Mar 2009 17:57:29 +0000 http://www.fitsnews.com/?p=3801#comment-50574 TAMPA CONFEDERATES AIM TO RAISE WORLD’S BIGGEST REBEL FLAG...HEY FOLKS ITS GOING TO HAPPEN THIS APRIL 25th 2009...BE THERE! http://www.florida?scv.org TAMPA CONFEDERATES AIM TO RAISE WORLD’S BIGGEST REBEL FLAG…HEY FOLKS ITS GOING TO HAPPEN THIS APRIL 25th 2009…BE THERE! http://www.florida?scv.org

]]> By: FastFred http://www.fitsnews.com/2008/06/01/the-south-is-rising-again-in-florida/comment-page-1/#comment-48833 FastFred Fri, 06 Mar 2009 17:00:28 +0000 http://www.fitsnews.com/?p=3801#comment-48833 Here's one more just to make a point,what Flag do you see here?http://www.rulen.com/kkk/You have to study History before even trying to condemn the Battle Flag. Here’s one more just to make a point,what Flag do you see here?http://www.rulen.com/kkk/You have to study History before even trying to condemn the Battle Flag.

]]> By: FastFred http://www.fitsnews.com/2008/06/01/the-south-is-rising-again-in-florida/comment-page-1/#comment-48832 FastFred Fri, 06 Mar 2009 16:57:53 +0000 http://www.fitsnews.com/?p=3801#comment-48832 Old Glory can be seen representing Slavery long before the Confederate Battle Flag even came in to play.I can list many sights.Should we stop saying the Pledge to our current flag?Should we take it down and hide it?What should we do about this?Tell me what flag you see here? http://www.pointsouth.com/csanet/kkk.htm Old Glory can be seen representing Slavery long before the Confederate Battle Flag even came in to play.I can list many sights.Should we stop saying the Pledge to our current flag?Should we take it down and hide it?What should we do about this?Tell me what flag you see here? http://www.pointsouth.com/csanet/kkk.htm

]]> By: FastFred http://www.fitsnews.com/2008/06/01/the-south-is-rising-again-in-florida/comment-page-1/#comment-48830 FastFred Fri, 06 Mar 2009 16:42:06 +0000 http://www.fitsnews.com/?p=3801#comment-48830 If the Confederate battle flag can be tagged as a tribute to slavery, how is it that the American flag has gotten a pass so far? Slavery existed far longer under Old Glory than under the Stars and Bars. If the Confederate battle flag can be tagged as a tribute to slavery, how is it that the American flag has gotten a pass so far? Slavery existed far longer under Old Glory than under the Stars and Bars.

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