Comments on: Democratic Candidate Was Rumsfeld’s “Eyes and Ears” http://www.fitsnews.com/2008/05/29/democratic-candidate-was-rumsfelds-eyes-and-ears/ Unfair ... Imbalanced Tue, 16 Mar 2010 01:52:01 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Herschel http://www.fitsnews.com/2008/05/29/democratic-candidate-was-rumsfelds-eyes-and-ears/comment-page-1/#comment-26336 Herschel Tue, 10 Jun 2008 19:56:38 +0000 http://www.fitsnews.com/?p=3770#comment-26336 "We could honestly give a rat’s ass who the Democratic sacrificial lamb is in the Second District. We’re just reporting the facts, dude …" That certainly is not reflected in the original article. That's not reporting! “We could honestly give a rat’s ass who the Democratic sacrificial lamb is in the Second District. We’re just reporting the facts, dude …”

That certainly is not reflected in the original article. That’s not reporting!

]]> By: Mattheus Mei http://www.fitsnews.com/2008/05/29/democratic-candidate-was-rumsfelds-eyes-and-ears/comment-page-1/#comment-24237 Mattheus Mei Fri, 30 May 2008 17:33:45 +0000 http://www.fitsnews.com/?p=3770#comment-24237 Will, I understand your position in the matter, man... But sometimes it's not enough to just report "facts" if you can't back it up with substantive information, your piece's lack of substance (no pun intended), mixed with your, how should we say it -- colourful and persuasive prose style -- can and does lead to conclusions such as Mr. Eyes'. If you're "just reporting the facts" and seeking to be considered a legitimate news source then at some point in time the armchair editorializing must be put to the side, IF it's your desire to have any journalistic credibility. Now I'm speaking to the choir myself as well with that one, but it's very important (for we bloggers) to be cogent of "the line" and to be able to self-police when it comes to "the facts" Will, I understand your position in the matter, man…

But sometimes it’s not enough to just report “facts” if you can’t back it up with substantive information, your piece’s lack of substance (no pun intended), mixed with your, how should we say it — colourful and persuasive prose style — can and does lead to conclusions such as Mr. Eyes’.

If you’re “just reporting the facts” and seeking to be considered a legitimate news source then at some point in time the armchair editorializing must be put to the side, IF it’s your desire to have any journalistic credibility.

Now I’m speaking to the choir myself as well with that one, but it’s very important (for we bloggers) to be cogent of “the line” and to be able to self-police when it comes to “the facts”

]]> By: H.R. Pufnstuf http://www.fitsnews.com/2008/05/29/democratic-candidate-was-rumsfelds-eyes-and-ears/comment-page-1/#comment-24195 H.R. Pufnstuf Fri, 30 May 2008 13:51:40 +0000 http://www.fitsnews.com/?p=3770#comment-24195 Frankly, I rarely agree with Will Folks on anything, but Post #6 were my thoughts to a "T". (However, Rob Miller does have a great commercial out). Joe Wilson is about as bright as a gray crayon, and the "Turtleman" http://youtube.com/watch?v=Gn8EQ0azXpQ would be a better congressman than Wilson. However, due to the inability for citizens in the 2nd Congressional District to see that Joe Wilson's rubber stamp voting record is actually hurting them, we'll have to see that dumb bastard go back into office. Here's an idea Joe... take a lesson from John Spratt, and realize what your duties are in Congress. Frankly, I rarely agree with Will Folks on anything, but Post #6 were my thoughts to a “T”. (However, Rob Miller does have a great commercial out).
Joe Wilson is about as bright as a gray crayon, and the “Turtleman” http://youtube.com/watch?v=Gn8EQ0azXpQ would be a better congressman than Wilson. However, due to the inability for citizens in the 2nd Congressional District to see that Joe Wilson’s rubber stamp voting record is actually hurting them, we’ll have to see that dumb bastard go back into office.
Here’s an idea Joe… take a lesson from John Spratt, and realize what your duties are in Congress.

]]> By: fitsnews http://www.fitsnews.com/2008/05/29/democratic-candidate-was-rumsfelds-eyes-and-ears/comment-page-1/#comment-24069 fitsnews Thu, 29 May 2008 20:24:05 +0000 http://www.fitsnews.com/?p=3770#comment-24069 Mattheus, We could honestly give a rat's ass who the Democratic sacrificial lamb is in the Second District. We're just reporting the facts, dude ... -FITSNews Mattheus,

We could honestly give a rat’s ass who the Democratic sacrificial lamb is in the Second District. We’re just reporting the facts, dude …

-FITSNews

]]> By: Mattheus Mei http://www.fitsnews.com/2008/05/29/democratic-candidate-was-rumsfelds-eyes-and-ears/comment-page-1/#comment-24067 Mattheus Mei Thu, 29 May 2008 20:22:19 +0000 http://www.fitsnews.com/?p=3770#comment-24067 I suppose the reaction of Mickey Blue Eyes was the desired effect Will? Congratulations if so. I suppose the reaction of Mickey Blue Eyes was the desired effect Will? Congratulations if so.

]]> By: Mickey Blue Eyes http://www.fitsnews.com/2008/05/29/democratic-candidate-was-rumsfelds-eyes-and-ears/comment-page-1/#comment-24039 Mickey Blue Eyes Thu, 29 May 2008 19:14:19 +0000 http://www.fitsnews.com/?p=3770#comment-24039 So, he was in charge when the Islamists were planning their attacks and he let them do it? You mean to tell me he could have stopped the attacks but chose not to? "I did such a good job on stopping the 9/11 attacks, vote for me so I can do the same good job in congress." So, he was in charge when the Islamists were planning their attacks and he let them do it? You mean to tell me he could have stopped the attacks but chose not to?

“I did such a good job on stopping the 9/11 attacks, vote for me so I can do the same good job in congress.”

]]> By: Mattheus Mei http://www.fitsnews.com/2008/05/29/democratic-candidate-was-rumsfelds-eyes-and-ears/comment-page-1/#comment-24032 Mattheus Mei Thu, 29 May 2008 19:03:40 +0000 http://www.fitsnews.com/?p=3770#comment-24032 Will, your "eyes and ears" reference is from a 1997 paper, and never mentions Rumsfeld directly, only the office of SoD. And as for his description in 2002, if anything we've learned over the past eight years it's how little the Bush Administration has actually listened to the Intelligence Community (can we say Richard Clark?) and has acted out on itself. I'm not necessarily trying to defend Mr. Lotz and his work at the DoD - he can do that himself, BUT, in light of all we've learned (now with McClellan most recently and let's not forget Sec. Paul O'Neil's book) there's plenty of blame to go around, and most of it resides at the very tip top - Rumsfeld, Rice, Cheney, Bush. As far as the work he did under Clinton, again - the decision to go after Bin Laden rested entirely with the President, remember we had the intel and knew exactly where he was (thanks Mr. Lotz) but Clinton, the He-Clinton as opposed to the She-Clinton running for POTUS, opted not to go after him, issued no orders: http://www.nationalreview.com/lowry/lowry200310170939.asp I think if people put things into context - and in believing South Carolinaians will do so, I may be setting myself up for hughe disappointment - it might be possible that this won't hurt Mr. Lotz chances, perhaps even make him stronger, if he can drive the point home that 'he had the info and gave it, but they - Bush/Cheney and the Gang - didn't listen.' Will, your “eyes and ears” reference is from a 1997 paper, and never mentions Rumsfeld directly, only the office of SoD. And as for his description in 2002, if anything we’ve learned over the past eight years it’s how little the Bush Administration has actually listened to the Intelligence Community (can we say Richard Clark?) and has acted out on itself. I’m not necessarily trying to defend Mr. Lotz and his work at the DoD – he can do that himself, BUT, in light of all we’ve learned (now with McClellan most recently and let’s not forget Sec. Paul O’Neil’s book) there’s plenty of blame to go around, and most of it resides at the very tip top – Rumsfeld, Rice, Cheney, Bush.

As far as the work he did under Clinton, again – the decision to go after Bin Laden rested entirely with the President, remember we had the intel and knew exactly where he was (thanks Mr. Lotz) but Clinton, the He-Clinton as opposed to the She-Clinton running for POTUS, opted not to go after him, issued no orders:

http://www.nationalreview.com/lowry/lowry200310170939.asp

I think if people put things into context – and in believing South Carolinaians will do so, I may be setting myself up for hughe disappointment – it might be possible that this won’t hurt Mr. Lotz chances, perhaps even make him stronger, if he can drive the point home that ‘he had the info and gave it, but they – Bush/Cheney and the Gang – didn’t listen.’

]]> By: fitsnews http://www.fitsnews.com/2008/05/29/democratic-candidate-was-rumsfelds-eyes-and-ears/comment-page-1/#comment-24028 fitsnews Thu, 29 May 2008 18:25:30 +0000 http://www.fitsnews.com/?p=3770#comment-24028 Here's some selected source info for you ... http://www.igis.gov.au/conference.cfm http://www.dcaf.ch/pcaf/ev_geneva_021002_prog_lotz.pdf -FITSNews Here’s some selected source info for you …

http://www.igis.gov.au/conference.cfm

http://www.dcaf.ch/pcaf/ev_geneva_021002_prog_lotz.pdf

-FITSNews

]]> By: Mattheus Mei http://www.fitsnews.com/2008/05/29/democratic-candidate-was-rumsfelds-eyes-and-ears/comment-page-1/#comment-24022 Mattheus Mei Thu, 29 May 2008 18:05:48 +0000 http://www.fitsnews.com/?p=3770#comment-24022 As Assistant Secretary, Lotz described himself as Rumsfeld’s “eyes and ears” on intelligence issues, and also referred to himself as “the policeman, if you will, for the Defense Department.” In 2002, he described his office as being responsible for “the independent oversight of all intelligence, counterintelligence, and intelligence-related activities in the Department of Defense.” Will, where are your sources for these juicy juicy morsels? This is all very intriguing. And it looks like the TIA program was part of DARPA, which is kinda cool except for the whole "spying on my biddness" aspect. As Assistant Secretary, Lotz described himself as Rumsfeld’s “eyes and ears” on intelligence issues, and also referred to himself as “the policeman, if you will, for the Defense Department.”

In 2002, he described his office as being responsible for “the independent oversight of all intelligence, counterintelligence, and intelligence-related activities in the Department of Defense.”

Will, where are your sources for these juicy juicy morsels? This is all very intriguing. And it looks like the TIA program was part of DARPA, which is kinda cool except for the whole “spying on my biddness” aspect.

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