AMERICA’S GENERALS SEEM KINDA CLUELESS
FITSNews – April 8, 2008 – With all due respect to President George W. Bush, U.S. Sen. Lindsey Graham and all the other Washington Republicans who think the War in Iraq is the greatest thing since sliced bread, we’re still not sold.
Sure, we’re all for blowing people off the face of the earth, but as we’ve written in the past we’re not sure America has the stomach to fight real wars anymore. And since it’s apparently politically-incorrect to nuke anybody, where exactly does that leave us?
Well, according to the New York Times, it leaves us up the Euphrates without a paddle. According to Sen. Graham, however, it leaves us as the last, best hope of Iraqi-kind.
So who’s right? Who knows …
All we know is no Iraqi ever called us a … wait, nevermind. No Iraqi ever called us anything. In fact, we’d be hard pressed to find Iraq on a map. We know where Al Queda is on a map, though.
Anyway, with the war getting beaucoup national ink this week as America’s top Iraqi military advisor and diplomatic envoy spend two days testifying before the U.S. Senate, we figure we’d throw in our two cents on the whole situation.
And that two cents is as follows:
We should leave.
Oh, and we should also stop waterboarding people, stop performing extreme renditions and stop the open-ended wiretapping of American citizens, because none of that stuff is working, either.
Seriously, what part of America’s response to the September 11 terrorist attacks has actually worked?Â
We did all the typical kneejerk stuff that politicians always do, but we’re no safer, no more secure and the world is no better off than it was six years ago.
But instead of just whining, we’re all about offering solutions here at FITSNews. And specifically, our plan for Iraq would be the same as our plan for any country which harbors terrorists or any country whose citizens kill Americans – “total disproportionate response.”
Put simply, if people from your country fly planes into our buildings, blow up our embassies overseas or specifically target our citizens for murder, abduction or even so much as an “eat sh*t look,” then guess what … America’s going to drop the biggest nuclear bomb we’ve got on top of your largest city.
Obviously countries like France would bitch and moan, and the liberal media here in America would go positively ape-shit, but we’ve got to stop fighting wars based on what Oprah and Geraldo think is best and start fighting them the way Ghengis Khan or Hammurabi would.
Or Harry Truman, for that matter.
Sure, lots of innocent Japanese people perished when Truman decided to nuke Hiroshima and Nagasaki at the end of World War II, and that’s too bad. But Japan hasn’t f*cked with us since, people … and the simple fact of the matter is those two bombs saved hundreds of thousands of American lives.
And while we’re sure nuclear bombs are expensive, we doubt they cost as much as the $440 billion we’ve spent over there since 2003 so that people who hate us could shoot at our soldiers …
By Anonymous April 8, 2008 at 3:38 pm
If we aren’t in Iraq then our children will suffer death at the hands of Islamofascist terrorists. We must fight them there, or we will be fighting them here.
By J Woods, VA April 8, 2008 at 4:27 pm
There are 3500 Al-Qaeda in Iraq by best estimates. Is it worth $9 billion per month to keep “fighting them there”? Find out where they are; circle it on the map; level it to the ground lock,stock, and barrel; and then come home!
By Gillon April 8, 2008 at 4:36 pm
Anon. Gosh that’s a familiar sounding refrain. I remember hearing it in the Sixties –just substitute Vietnam for Iraq. I guess our leaders haven’t learned much in the interim.
By joe April 8, 2008 at 6:58 pm
gillon,
what would you have done after 9-11 with saddam behind the wheel in the middle east?
By Silence Dogood April 8, 2008 at 7:34 pm
Anon #1 you noted “If we aren’t in Iraq then our children will suffer death at the hands of Islamofascist terrorists. We must fight them there, or we will be fighting them here.”
Based on your ‘logic,’ since the people in Iraq had nothing to do with Sept. 11 nor were attacking us NOR had the capability to do such when we went in over five years ago, what in hell are you talking about? Are there any other countries you would pick for us to occupy based on that criteria?
Joe, your “behind the wheel” comment on Saddam, we had him completely contained prior to the invasion – and Saddam was a monarchical SECULARIST completely at odds and not in cahoots with any one relate to or orchastrating Al Queda or Osama Bin Laden who are RELIGIOUS zealots. Also, Saddam wouldn’t allow Al Queada to operate in Iraq prior to our intervention in that country. So maybe what we should have done is stayed the hell out of there an not invaded for WMD based on 10 year old intelligence?
By Believe It Not (a.k.a. Sic Willie's Stalker) April 8, 2008 at 9:23 pm
The closest sic(k) willie has been to war was a conviction for criminal domestic violence. He’ll never get a medal for that kind of a war.
Notice sic(k) willie is now an expert on war. Yawn.
And what’s with: “monarchical SECULARIST.” Where in his jello brain did he pick up that silly phrase? willie, you’re so full of it.
sic(k) willie needs to stick to cheap political stunts and slimfast. If he keeps calling the U.S. Army’s senior leaders “clueless,” he might find himself developing a better understanding of “black ops.”
By old bike dude April 8, 2008 at 9:51 pm
Hey, I want to fight the IslamoRad puke bastards here. I’m so tired of the “we have to fight them there or our kids will have to fight them here” bullshit. Who gives a fuck who your kids have to fight. I say you’re the kind of chickenshit I want to see have to pick up a rifle and have a little mano a mano with MoMo with a YoYo. Fuck fighting them over there. Let them board there extensive Air Force planes or Naval ships and come the fuck over here. I’d rather kill them here and go to DisneyWorld afterwards than travel to Bumfuck.
Fuck ‘em. Nuke ‘em till they glow and then shoot their ass in the dark!
I’m out.
By Gillon April 8, 2008 at 9:55 pm
joe, are you confusing Osama Bin laden with Saddam? It was not Saddam who orchestrated 9/11. In fact, we had Osama trapped in Tora Bora until the invasion of Iraq pulled troops away and allowed him to escape. In the meantime, Saddam is dead, Osama is still alive and plotting from Afghanistsan, and an unnecessary war continues in Iraq. And thank you Silence for your insights.
By NeilDownunder April 8, 2008 at 10:24 pm
I know it’s not a popular thing to point out to Americans, but the number of Iraqis involved in 9/11 was exactly ZERO. The number of AQ operatives in Iraq before the Cheney/Rumsfeld adventure was pretty close to zero (there may have been some in the US protectorate of Kurdistan that Saddam couldn’t get at, but even that is unclear).
So now what? You gonna nuke Riyadh?
Please explain how that will do anything at all to scare off a bunch of religious nutjobs who think that anyone who doesn’t interpret the Koran exactly the same as they do is an infidel who deserves to die.
Tackling terrorists is no job for the military. It’s a job for the black ops guys in the CIA, NSA and other such shady groups and their equivalents in like-minded countries.
By Earl April 8, 2008 at 10:58 pm
Old Bike … I think the nuclear option may be the best, or in the words of the Stormtroopers of Death …
Fuck the middle east
There’s too many problems
They just get in the way
We sure could live without them
They hijack our planes
They raise our oil prices
We’ll kill them all and have a ball
And end their fuckin’ crisis
BEIRUT, LEBANON-Won’t exist once we’re done
LIBYA, IRAN-We’ll flush the bastards down the can
SYRIANS and SHIITES-Crush their faces with our might
Then Israel and Egypt can live in peace without these dicks
By Buzz April 9, 2008 at 8:03 am
We should have never attacked Iraq. Al-Queda was never in Iraq until we opened the door for them. We went in under false pretenses because Cheney and Rumsfield wanted to get the “Baddy” Saddam because he stuck his tongue out at them in the early 90′s. We should have just concentrated on Afghanistan and took care of business there.
Now we’ve bankrupted the country, sold our sole to the Chinese and are sunk in up to our “yahzoos” in Iraq. We either stay in Iraq forever or we pull out and let the Islamic extremists take over.
By piepton April 9, 2008 at 8:16 am
It’s really pretty simple. You can’t nuke Afghanistan because we need to run an oil pipeline through there and you can’t nuke Iraq because we need their oil to run through that pipeline. How else are we going to power all of our Hummers and private jets? The wasteland a nuclear weapon leaves isn’t very conducive to Halliburton fat cats hanging around swilling brandy and lighting cigars with hundreds now is it?
By Thomas Goodey April 9, 2008 at 9:17 am
So according to that logic America should drop a large nuclear weapon on Riyadh, since most of the 911 hijackers were Saudi citizens and Al-Qaeda originated in Saudia… let me see, but the government of Saudia is on the side of the US, trying its feeble best to catch and kill as many radicals as it can… how does this work exactly?…
By Thomas Goodey April 9, 2008 at 9:23 am
And poor old J Woods comments “There are 3500 Al-Qaeda in Iraq by best estimates. Is it worth $9 billion per month to keep “fighting them thereâ€? Find out where they are; circle it on the map; level it to the ground lock,stock, and barrel; and then come home!” Another enthusiastic but completely clueless person! “Find out where they are…” Sure – just that little thing. That’s the entire problem, stupid! Of course when the US does find out where some of them are, it does quite rightly level the place to the ground, inasmuch as it’s not down to the ground already, being a mud hut. But they are not easy to find. And don’t bother suggesting “flatten the whole country”. That would be a great misunderstanding of what atomic weapons are capable of. It’s basically flat already anyway.
By Roz April 9, 2008 at 10:12 am
Show me your WMD’s and where the Al Qeda strong hold was before the US attacked Iraq. Oh that’s right you cannot because there wasn’t any. And in my mind that makes the USA and it’s allies in Iraq completely responsible for the destruction of that country, done for all the wrong reasons. This is going to be very expensive and important to fix. If not done properly expect Al Qeda to strengthen its grasp in that region. Plus the Kurds will just turn on mass because this will be the second Bush to leave them to hang.
Monarchal secularist is a monarch who does not rule backed by a church or religion. Really!! Look up the big words if you do not understand. The UK has a religious monarchy where the crown is backed by the church of England.
By Patriot April 9, 2008 at 11:03 am
If we do not stay in Iraq the Global Jihad of Radical Islam will sweep down on this nation. America must stay in Iraq to preserve the free world.
By Sav April 9, 2008 at 11:46 am
It’s just simply astonishing how many people in the USA believe that Saddam Hussein had something to do with 9/11. How can people with such ill-informed brains be so forthright with their wishes to ‘flatten’ another country?!
By truthseeker April 9, 2008 at 1:13 pm
This blog points out just how effective propaganda is in fooling most people. No logical, well read person would ever find any justification for invading Iraq- but the folks listening to their right wing crack pots on the radio and TV have been so brainwashed with the ” we got to go kill them over there ” mindless dribble that they can not think for themselves.
What new wave of propaganda will Bush/Cheney create next to scare the masses?
By Monkeydarts April 9, 2008 at 3:04 pm
Yes, the world would be so much better off with Saddam in power and planning a peaceful handoff to Uday and Qsay during President Obama’s second term. And what’s up with attacking and driving out the Taliban in A’stan? They never bothered us. al Qaeda operated out of Hamburg, Germany, duh. We should have attacked Germany– just like FDR did after, er, Japan attacked the United States.
Hmmm.
Thank goodness President Obama will sit down and make pals with Mahmoud Afterdinnerjacket though. HOPE. CHANGE. Yes, We Can! In fact, Jimmy Carter is meeting with Hamas in the next week or so. Maybe he’s laying the groundwork for Obama’s mission of outreach to terror groups across the globe. Excellent!
By EEW April 10, 2008 at 4:30 am
“Seriously, what part of America’s response to the September 11 terrorist attacks has actually worked?”
I would say that Afghanistan has been a success, if not a total one, and would have been even better had we not invaded Iraq for no reason.
After all 9/11 was an Afghani Taleban thing, the war in Iraq was pointless escallation.
By EEW April 10, 2008 at 4:30 am
“Seriously, what part of America’s response to the September 11 terrorist attacks has actually worked?”
I would say that Afghanistan has been a success, if not a total one, and would have been even better had we not invaded Iraq for no reason.
After all 9/11 was an Afghani Taleban thing, the war in Iraq was pointless escallation.
By Sav April 11, 2008 at 6:45 am
*“Seriously, what part of America’s response to the September 11 terrorist attacks has actually worked?â€*
Well, there is now loads of oil pumping out of that lovely desert in the Middle east. That’s worked. And loads more bombs and planes and bullets and guns have been sold so the weapons industry is doing great.
Luckily it has not caused too much harm though (ok, maybe it’s ruffled a few feathers):
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_depth/629/629/7036068.stm
And the ‘coallition of the willing’ has managed to improve the situation on the ground in Iraq immensely:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7299914.stm
By waghela April 23, 2008 at 1:05 pm
The serious practical solution to the middle east is 1. Invest a trillion dollars in solar energy (create lots of local jobs=reduce demand for oil resulting in lower oil prices weakening the arabs) which is less than a third of the amount spent on the war.2 keep arab/ muslim immigrants out of the US and 3 stop training them in science ad engineering.
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