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		<title>By: Ann Marie</title>
		<link>http://www.fitsnews.com/2008/03/28/this-should-fix-everything/#comment-17665</link>
		<dc:creator>Ann Marie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 09:51:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One note on this Teacher Center- there are so many passionate teachers who are fighting daily to make a difference for the children of South Carolina.  No, our system is not perfect but we are working hard locally and state-wide to change things.  I am so thankful for people like Jim Anthony who are willing to donate to the cause -thank you for supporting and up-lifting our profession.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One note on this Teacher Center- there are so many passionate teachers who are fighting daily to make a difference for the children of South Carolina.  No, our system is not perfect but we are working hard locally and state-wide to change things.  I am so thankful for people like Jim Anthony who are willing to donate to the cause -thank you for supporting and up-lifting our profession.</p>
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		<title>By: Believe It Not (a.k.a. Sic Willie's Stalker)</title>
		<link>http://www.fitsnews.com/2008/03/28/this-should-fix-everything/#comment-15865</link>
		<dc:creator>Believe It Not (a.k.a. Sic Willie's Stalker)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 05:13:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Silence from sic(k) willie?  Noting to retort?  No backlash from SCRG?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Silence from sic(k) willie?  Noting to retort?  No backlash from SCRG?</p>
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		<title>By: Believe It Not (a.k.a. Sic Willie's Stalker)</title>
		<link>http://www.fitsnews.com/2008/03/28/this-should-fix-everything/#comment-15809</link>
		<dc:creator>Believe It Not (a.k.a. Sic Willie's Stalker)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 02:22:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>willie, willie, weewee willie! 

How much is SCRG and Howard &quot;the money man&quot; paying to have you continue to attack our children?  

Don&#039;t deny it.  Yes, you&#039;re attacking children!  Particularly those who need help the most. You care nothing that your voucher scam would leave behind those who need help the most.  Vouchers fix nothing.

First, fix real issues facing public education. Then we&#039;ll talk about your voucher tax scam.  First, fix the shameful &quot;minimally adequate&quot; standard. Then fix the poverty, fix the latent (and overt) racism and fix the host of other social ills they cause.  Comments wee willie? :)

BIN Editorial Staff
Wasting Away in Voucherville</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>willie, willie, weewee willie! </p>
<p>How much is SCRG and Howard &#8220;the money man&#8221; paying to have you continue to attack our children?  </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t deny it.  Yes, you&#8217;re attacking children!  Particularly those who need help the most. You care nothing that your voucher scam would leave behind those who need help the most.  Vouchers fix nothing.</p>
<p>First, fix real issues facing public education. Then we&#8217;ll talk about your voucher tax scam.  First, fix the shameful &#8220;minimally adequate&#8221; standard. Then fix the poverty, fix the latent (and overt) racism and fix the host of other social ills they cause.  Comments wee willie? :)</p>
<p>BIN Editorial Staff<br />
Wasting Away in Voucherville</p>
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		<title>By: Wake Up South Carolina</title>
		<link>http://www.fitsnews.com/2008/03/28/this-should-fix-everything/#comment-15804</link>
		<dc:creator>Wake Up South Carolina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 00:28:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Academia is what&#039;s wrong with this country....the sense of entitlement cloaked in some &quot;intellectual pomposity&quot; isn&#039;t meeting the real market needs of South Carolina or the USA.

I don&#039;t actually believe that most instructors teaching their subject matter could actually compete in the marketplace.  Of course, commercial entities are always quick to fork over the &quot;honorariums&quot; to chairs at high profile universities for the public relations perception.  

Throwing money at education doesn&#039;t educate; never has never will.  

The basic social fabric is the problem.  But admittedly, in this day and age you have to play the &quot;educator&#039;s game&quot; or fail to attract meaningful jobs (which can pay back the over-priced 4-6 years of education.)

And South Carolina, just doesn&#039;t know how to play the game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Academia is what&#8217;s wrong with this country&#8230;.the sense of entitlement cloaked in some &#8220;intellectual pomposity&#8221; isn&#8217;t meeting the real market needs of South Carolina or the USA.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t actually believe that most instructors teaching their subject matter could actually compete in the marketplace.  Of course, commercial entities are always quick to fork over the &#8220;honorariums&#8221; to chairs at high profile universities for the public relations perception.  </p>
<p>Throwing money at education doesn&#8217;t educate; never has never will.  </p>
<p>The basic social fabric is the problem.  But admittedly, in this day and age you have to play the &#8220;educator&#8217;s game&#8221; or fail to attract meaningful jobs (which can pay back the over-priced 4-6 years of education.)</p>
<p>And South Carolina, just doesn&#8217;t know how to play the game.</p>
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		<title>By: bc</title>
		<link>http://www.fitsnews.com/2008/03/28/this-should-fix-everything/#comment-15770</link>
		<dc:creator>bc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 19:44:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I bet the teachers are just going to go out there and hook-up with other teachers...It&#039;ll probably get busted in a couple of years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I bet the teachers are just going to go out there and hook-up with other teachers&#8230;It&#8217;ll probably get busted in a couple of years.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Manetti</title>
		<link>http://www.fitsnews.com/2008/03/28/this-should-fix-everything/#comment-15760</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry Manetti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 17:41:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FITS, thanks for the clarification.  Even the best teachers need motivation, and obviously pay increases create the incentive for improvement.  However, your point on NBC is accurate.  At this rate, every teacher in the state will be board certified and qualified for a $7,500 annual salary bump.  In that case, we should simply raise the starting salary and make teaching a more competitive market.  And since it&#039;s Friday, I won&#039;t even go into other questionable practices like NBC loan forgiveness for those who fail to obtain certification (added by SDE in the current House budget).

Swing by the King Kamehameha Club sometime... have a Mai Thai on the house.

Again, thanks for</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FITS, thanks for the clarification.  Even the best teachers need motivation, and obviously pay increases create the incentive for improvement.  However, your point on NBC is accurate.  At this rate, every teacher in the state will be board certified and qualified for a $7,500 annual salary bump.  In that case, we should simply raise the starting salary and make teaching a more competitive market.  And since it&#8217;s Friday, I won&#8217;t even go into other questionable practices like NBC loan forgiveness for those who fail to obtain certification (added by SDE in the current House budget).</p>
<p>Swing by the King Kamehameha Club sometime&#8230; have a Mai Thai on the house.</p>
<p>Again, thanks for</p>
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		<title>By: A National Board Certified Teacher</title>
		<link>http://www.fitsnews.com/2008/03/28/this-should-fix-everything/#comment-15749</link>
		<dc:creator>A National Board Certified Teacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:36:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;One thing we do want to point out, teacher incentives in SC should be based on merit, not some national board certification B.S. If a teacher is doing a good job educating his or her kids, then he or she should be rewarded. Of course until we stop moving the goalposts and fix our ass-backward and expensive testing methods, weâ€™ll never know for sure whoâ€™s learning what.&quot;

The idea of merit based pay isn&#039;t necessarily a bad one, but how do you make it fair?  Teachers can&#039;t demonstrate performance solely based on test scores, the usual measure of teacher quality.  We have different kids from year to year, and each class is different across the same grade level.  

I know I am a strong teacher - my students always show tremendous growth - but I also know this year&#039;s test scores may be a little lower than last year&#039;s.  That doesn&#039;t mean I slacked off, just that these kids weren&#039;t at the same starting point as in years past, in addition to a larger-than-usual class size, and I wasn&#039;t able to go as far with them (although, again, using the portfolios I keep, I am able to show growth over the course of the year).

Comparing these kids&#039; scores to their scores last year wouldn&#039;t work either, given that they take different levels of PACT.  How do you propose to fairly select the &quot;good&quot; teachers that deserve a bonus?

PS - I prefer cash, not a trip to the Rejuvenation Center.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;One thing we do want to point out, teacher incentives in SC should be based on merit, not some national board certification B.S. If a teacher is doing a good job educating his or her kids, then he or she should be rewarded. Of course until we stop moving the goalposts and fix our ass-backward and expensive testing methods, weâ€™ll never know for sure whoâ€™s learning what.&#8221;</p>
<p>The idea of merit based pay isn&#8217;t necessarily a bad one, but how do you make it fair?  Teachers can&#8217;t demonstrate performance solely based on test scores, the usual measure of teacher quality.  We have different kids from year to year, and each class is different across the same grade level.  </p>
<p>I know I am a strong teacher &#8211; my students always show tremendous growth &#8211; but I also know this year&#8217;s test scores may be a little lower than last year&#8217;s.  That doesn&#8217;t mean I slacked off, just that these kids weren&#8217;t at the same starting point as in years past, in addition to a larger-than-usual class size, and I wasn&#8217;t able to go as far with them (although, again, using the portfolios I keep, I am able to show growth over the course of the year).</p>
<p>Comparing these kids&#8217; scores to their scores last year wouldn&#8217;t work either, given that they take different levels of PACT.  How do you propose to fairly select the &#8220;good&#8221; teachers that deserve a bonus?</p>
<p>PS &#8211; I prefer cash, not a trip to the Rejuvenation Center.</p>
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		<title>By: Natasha</title>
		<link>http://www.fitsnews.com/2008/03/28/this-should-fix-everything/#comment-15748</link>
		<dc:creator>Natasha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:33:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will say this, as the child of a S.C. public school teacher (high school level), the national board certification ain&#039;t a joke, and if a teacher puts that much time into it, outside of their job, they do deserve something for that. I know plenty of seemingly good public educators who tried and failed to get that distinction...But we should ALSO reward those who are doing a great job as you mentioned...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will say this, as the child of a S.C. public school teacher (high school level), the national board certification ain&#8217;t a joke, and if a teacher puts that much time into it, outside of their job, they do deserve something for that. I know plenty of seemingly good public educators who tried and failed to get that distinction&#8230;But we should ALSO reward those who are doing a great job as you mentioned&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: fitsnews</title>
		<link>http://www.fitsnews.com/2008/03/28/this-should-fix-everything/#comment-15746</link>
		<dc:creator>fitsnews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 15:48:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Larry,

Actually Sic&#039;s dad is a 38-year public educator at the University of South Carolina. And unlike our K-12 and higher ed messes, his program is actually one of the nation&#039;s elite.

And we don&#039;t really blame teachers, we blame the idiots at the State Department who saddle them with all the things you mentioned above ... and more. Oh, and we also blame the taxpayer-supported lobbying and political groups who then turn around and whine about legitimate private sector contributions.

We just couldn&#039;t resist having a little fun w/ this, that&#039;s all ...

One thing we do want to point out, teacher incentives in SC should be based on merit, not some national board certification B.S. If a teacher is doing a good job educating his or her kids, then he or she should be rewarded. Of course until we stop moving the goalposts and fix our ass-backward and expensive testing methods, we&#039;ll never know for sure who&#039;s learning what.

-FITSNews</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Larry,</p>
<p>Actually Sic&#8217;s dad is a 38-year public educator at the University of South Carolina. And unlike our K-12 and higher ed messes, his program is actually one of the nation&#8217;s elite.</p>
<p>And we don&#8217;t really blame teachers, we blame the idiots at the State Department who saddle them with all the things you mentioned above &#8230; and more. Oh, and we also blame the taxpayer-supported lobbying and political groups who then turn around and whine about legitimate private sector contributions.</p>
<p>We just couldn&#8217;t resist having a little fun w/ this, that&#8217;s all &#8230;</p>
<p>One thing we do want to point out, teacher incentives in SC should be based on merit, not some national board certification B.S. If a teacher is doing a good job educating his or her kids, then he or she should be rewarded. Of course until we stop moving the goalposts and fix our ass-backward and expensive testing methods, we&#8217;ll never know for sure who&#8217;s learning what.</p>
<p>-FITSNews</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Manetti</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry Manetti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 15:37:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I typically agree with the overall gist of your rants on education in SC, blaming the teachers for the sorry state of matters is mostly undeserved.  Undoubtedly, there are plenty of teachers who are substandard and should be removed, but the majority of them are competent and shouldn&#039;t be expected to work miracles on some of the ignorant wretches with which they are saddled. It would appear that none of your immediate family members are/were teachers.  Whether you have or not, it doesn&#039;t change the fact that most of them do their job adequately.  Perhaps the uneducated parents of these uneducated children could pitch in from time to time... you know... just so their kids might have a shot at improving their lot in life.  &#039;Tis unfortunate that your secondary private school teachers didn&#039;t give you the down and very dirty truth about STD&#039;s.  Possibly would have saved you an uncomfortable phone call or three.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I typically agree with the overall gist of your rants on education in SC, blaming the teachers for the sorry state of matters is mostly undeserved.  Undoubtedly, there are plenty of teachers who are substandard and should be removed, but the majority of them are competent and shouldn&#8217;t be expected to work miracles on some of the ignorant wretches with which they are saddled. It would appear that none of your immediate family members are/were teachers.  Whether you have or not, it doesn&#8217;t change the fact that most of them do their job adequately.  Perhaps the uneducated parents of these uneducated children could pitch in from time to time&#8230; you know&#8230; just so their kids might have a shot at improving their lot in life.  &#8216;Tis unfortunate that your secondary private school teachers didn&#8217;t give you the down and very dirty truth about STD&#8217;s.  Possibly would have saved you an uncomfortable phone call or three.</p>
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