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		<title>By: Sollicitus Civis</title>
		<link>http://www.fitsnews.com/2008/01/29/landess-tapped-to-run-sc-policy-council/comment-page-1/#comment-8363</link>
		<dc:creator>Sollicitus Civis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 22:25:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I posted this as a response to Somebody Is A Little Pissy Today  January 21, 2008. I think it is germane to this topic since people are talking about vouchers.  



    Here is the real issue with education today that no one is willing to say. For nearly 100 years, the state had a duel educational system, one for African Americans and one for White students. The one for African American students was barely funded, and in actuality the one for White students was not that much better. The leaders of this state made sure that the all citizens- African American and White- were under-educated so that there would be cheap labor in the textile mills, the cotton fields, tobacco fields, etc. We are just reaping the rewards from those sage leaders of the past who wanted to maintain the status quo and secure their power in society. That is why 56% of students in this state live at or below the poverty level.

    It is frustrating to see SC near the bottom of every measure. You need to remember who is doing the measuring and what is their goal.

    Sadly, we canâ€™t just waive a magic wand and improve things over night. Change in this state moves at a snails pace. (There are still pockets in this state where the Civil War is still being fought and Jim Crow is alive and well.) Society itself has to change, and I donâ€™t hear any politician talking about that.

    Vouchers are not going to make parents value education any more than they do now. Vouchers are not going to make parents turn off the video games, the computers, the televisions, or whatever else there is out there distracting students from doing work for school. Vouchers are not going to make students take pride in the work that they do for school. Vouchers are not the panacea you all think they are.

    Any politician who would have the balls to say what I have just typed would certainly get my vote.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I posted this as a response to Somebody Is A Little Pissy Today  January 21, 2008. I think it is germane to this topic since people are talking about vouchers.  </p>
<p>    Here is the real issue with education today that no one is willing to say. For nearly 100 years, the state had a duel educational system, one for African Americans and one for White students. The one for African American students was barely funded, and in actuality the one for White students was not that much better. The leaders of this state made sure that the all citizens- African American and White- were under-educated so that there would be cheap labor in the textile mills, the cotton fields, tobacco fields, etc. We are just reaping the rewards from those sage leaders of the past who wanted to maintain the status quo and secure their power in society. That is why 56% of students in this state live at or below the poverty level.</p>
<p>    It is frustrating to see SC near the bottom of every measure. You need to remember who is doing the measuring and what is their goal.</p>
<p>    Sadly, we canâ€™t just waive a magic wand and improve things over night. Change in this state moves at a snails pace. (There are still pockets in this state where the Civil War is still being fought and Jim Crow is alive and well.) Society itself has to change, and I donâ€™t hear any politician talking about that.</p>
<p>    Vouchers are not going to make parents value education any more than they do now. Vouchers are not going to make parents turn off the video games, the computers, the televisions, or whatever else there is out there distracting students from doing work for school. Vouchers are not going to make students take pride in the work that they do for school. Vouchers are not the panacea you all think they are.</p>
<p>    Any politician who would have the balls to say what I have just typed would certainly get my vote.</p>
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		<title>By: Silence Dogood</title>
		<link>http://www.fitsnews.com/2008/01/29/landess-tapped-to-run-sc-policy-council/comment-page-1/#comment-8358</link>
		<dc:creator>Silence Dogood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 20:08:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott, for starters the term &quot;tax credit&quot; is a misnomer.  The government is still paying out for it UNLESS you are talking about cases where funding is directly taken from a particluar tax base and paid back out of that tax base - i.e. property tax or based on how much local option sales tax you paid in or out and given back to yo uon that basis.  Furthermore, then your &#039;tax credit&#039; should never exceed the amount you &#039;tax credit&#039; recipient paid into that tax base (otherwise welfare would be just a form of tax credit).  And you are making this tax credit available only to those who can otherwise afford the private school program should it exceed the amount of &#039;tax credit&#039; you are entitled to.  

Consider, a &#039;tax credit&#039; of this ilk could be made for anything under the sun.  This will represent government spending, and the state government will be spending and putting out millions of dollars more under this plan than it currently does for public education.  Under your theory, you would have to surmise that there currently is a &#039;tax credit&#039; to every person who currently has a child in public school in S.C. with the catch that the school is mandated.  If the state government is funding both public schools and the private schools in S.C. I don&#039;t really see what the difference would be?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott, for starters the term &#8220;tax credit&#8221; is a misnomer.  The government is still paying out for it UNLESS you are talking about cases where funding is directly taken from a particluar tax base and paid back out of that tax base &#8211; i.e. property tax or based on how much local option sales tax you paid in or out and given back to yo uon that basis.  Furthermore, then your &#8216;tax credit&#8217; should never exceed the amount you &#8216;tax credit&#8217; recipient paid into that tax base (otherwise welfare would be just a form of tax credit).  And you are making this tax credit available only to those who can otherwise afford the private school program should it exceed the amount of &#8216;tax credit&#8217; you are entitled to.  </p>
<p>Consider, a &#8216;tax credit&#8217; of this ilk could be made for anything under the sun.  This will represent government spending, and the state government will be spending and putting out millions of dollars more under this plan than it currently does for public education.  Under your theory, you would have to surmise that there currently is a &#8216;tax credit&#8217; to every person who currently has a child in public school in S.C. with the catch that the school is mandated.  If the state government is funding both public schools and the private schools in S.C. I don&#8217;t really see what the difference would be?</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 18:39:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Silence Dogood - Last time I checked, tax credits are a limited government/conservative idea.   Republicans have long promoted tax credits.

How would a tax credit increase government spending?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Silence Dogood &#8211; Last time I checked, tax credits are a limited government/conservative idea.   Republicans have long promoted tax credits.</p>
<p>How would a tax credit increase government spending?</p>
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		<title>By: Silence Dogood</title>
		<link>http://www.fitsnews.com/2008/01/29/landess-tapped-to-run-sc-policy-council/comment-page-1/#comment-8349</link>
		<dc:creator>Silence Dogood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 16:25:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LGC - do you suppose the money should just be sent to whoever asks w/no oversight (I would hope not, but if so we should all rev up our printers to requests the voucher money my dogs are going to get and edumacation).  This would increase government spending and add more jobs to government in order to implement the program.  If you think it is a good idea, fine.  That is a whole other argument/debate policy wise.  HOWEVER, it is not a limited government or conservative idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LGC &#8211; do you suppose the money should just be sent to whoever asks w/no oversight (I would hope not, but if so we should all rev up our printers to requests the voucher money my dogs are going to get and edumacation).  This would increase government spending and add more jobs to government in order to implement the program.  If you think it is a good idea, fine.  That is a whole other argument/debate policy wise.  HOWEVER, it is not a limited government or conservative idea.</p>
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		<title>By: piepton</title>
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		<dc:creator>piepton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 16:02:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a religious issue because most of the private schools are backed by religious organizations and these schools would either see improvement directly by raising tuition in correlation with the vouchers or indirectly because the parents of their students would get vouchers.

It&#039;s a conservative issue because it involves taking tax money out of the public coffers and giving it to individuals so they can choose where their children go to school.  

Of course this will destroy the public school system so the underlying assumption is that there are enough private schools in every neighborhood to pick up the slack.  Even if this were true most of these private schools will resist state involvement in their curriculum and for the relgious ones this resistance will be even more virulent in science classes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a religious issue because most of the private schools are backed by religious organizations and these schools would either see improvement directly by raising tuition in correlation with the vouchers or indirectly because the parents of their students would get vouchers.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a conservative issue because it involves taking tax money out of the public coffers and giving it to individuals so they can choose where their children go to school.  </p>
<p>Of course this will destroy the public school system so the underlying assumption is that there are enough private schools in every neighborhood to pick up the slack.  Even if this were true most of these private schools will resist state involvement in their curriculum and for the relgious ones this resistance will be even more virulent in science classes.</p>
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		<title>By: Limited Government Conservative</title>
		<link>http://www.fitsnews.com/2008/01/29/landess-tapped-to-run-sc-policy-council/comment-page-1/#comment-8340</link>
		<dc:creator>Limited Government Conservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 15:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Through life and hope scholarships our college kids have choice.  Through ABC vouchers issued by First Steps, our 4 year olds have choice. Why we don&#039;t expand this to K-12 is beyond me. Middle class families have choice because they can pick up and move to a better neighborhood and attend any public school they choose. If government continues to finance-but not administer-the bulk of schooling then government is shrinking not growing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Through life and hope scholarships our college kids have choice.  Through ABC vouchers issued by First Steps, our 4 year olds have choice. Why we don&#8217;t expand this to K-12 is beyond me. Middle class families have choice because they can pick up and move to a better neighborhood and attend any public school they choose. If government continues to finance-but not administer-the bulk of schooling then government is shrinking not growing.</p>
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		<title>By: Silence Dogood</title>
		<link>http://www.fitsnews.com/2008/01/29/landess-tapped-to-run-sc-policy-council/comment-page-1/#comment-8334</link>
		<dc:creator>Silence Dogood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 14:47:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>post #6 Tyler, you write &quot;In fairness, since when is school choice a religious issue? Itâ€™s a conservative issue that too many â€œconservativesâ€ have wussed out on.&quot;  

I am sure this may tip off a flurry of discussion, but I have to ask why school choice, i.e. expansion of government funding of education through tax dollars into areas where tax dollars are not currently spent, is a &quot;conservative issue?&quot;  I realize it will mean a lot more government spending as well as the attachment of at least some if not the same government oversight of private schools that currently apply to private schools, as well as the institution of yet another governmental department (read more bureacrats) to oversee and run such a program - but I am just trying to understand again how this is a conservative idea?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>post #6 Tyler, you write &#8220;In fairness, since when is school choice a religious issue? Itâ€™s a conservative issue that too many â€œconservativesâ€ have wussed out on.&#8221;  </p>
<p>I am sure this may tip off a flurry of discussion, but I have to ask why school choice, i.e. expansion of government funding of education through tax dollars into areas where tax dollars are not currently spent, is a &#8220;conservative issue?&#8221;  I realize it will mean a lot more government spending as well as the attachment of at least some if not the same government oversight of private schools that currently apply to private schools, as well as the institution of yet another governmental department (read more bureacrats) to oversee and run such a program &#8211; but I am just trying to understand again how this is a conservative idea?</p>
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		<title>By: tyler@sc.rr.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>tyler@sc.rr.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 13:58:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vouchers...sounds like you may be a consultant on the other side.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vouchers&#8230;sounds like you may be a consultant on the other side.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Business</title>
		<link>http://www.fitsnews.com/2008/01/29/landess-tapped-to-run-sc-policy-council/comment-page-1/#comment-8311</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Business</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 04:05:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is good news for conservatives.  we need to get back to the message of less government and more personal freedom. she will be a beacon of hope in a state of despair. Thnaks to the SC Policy Council for keeping hope alive that conservatism still has a chance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is good news for conservatives.  we need to get back to the message of less government and more personal freedom. she will be a beacon of hope in a state of despair. Thnaks to the SC Policy Council for keeping hope alive that conservatism still has a chance.</p>
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		<title>By: Vouchers Are A Scam</title>
		<link>http://www.fitsnews.com/2008/01/29/landess-tapped-to-run-sc-policy-council/comment-page-1/#comment-8309</link>
		<dc:creator>Vouchers Are A Scam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 04:00:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tyler, You are either sic(k) willie or you are a fool.  Then again, you could be both.  Vouchers are a scam.  So is sic(k) willie. 

Keep in mind that 99 and 44/100 percent of political consultants make the others look bad.  Like Ivory soap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tyler, You are either sic(k) willie or you are a fool.  Then again, you could be both.  Vouchers are a scam.  So is sic(k) willie. </p>
<p>Keep in mind that 99 and 44/100 percent of political consultants make the others look bad.  Like Ivory soap.</p>
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