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	<title>Comments on: Echo Chamber &#8211; Educrats Assail African-American Senator</title>
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		<title>By: upstater</title>
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		<dc:creator>upstater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 02:22:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes --
I would argue that very targeted vouchers may have some positive effect for poor children.

But I would vehemently argue that  Put Parents in Charge -- as Gov. Sanford and Will Folks advocated -- is seriously questionable. It guaranteed NOTHING to the poor. The scholarship organizations might have helped. Maybe a lot, even. But there was no guarantee AT ALL to the poor. Middle-class families, though, were guaranteed a tax break. I would think they&#039;d have gotten the first dibs on existing space in private schools. And that doesn&#039;t even get into the question of whether top private schools would even consider taking in our state&#039;s most struggling students.

Big school choice proponents respond to these concerns by simply saying that the free market will take care of everything. Of course, Will Folks just ran a story about The State -- a big-business, corporate-run, for-profit newspaper -- had decided NOT TO SERVE customers in various parts of the state. The idea that for-profit entities are going to spring up in Allendale or Colleton or Bamberg or Union counties to take care of the kids in our state who are poorest and most challenging to teach seems a little unrealistic to me. Additionally, most private schools are run, in part, on ongoing charitable donations and endowments....not just tuition dollars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes &#8211;<br />
I would argue that very targeted vouchers may have some positive effect for poor children.</p>
<p>But I would vehemently argue that  Put Parents in Charge &#8212; as Gov. Sanford and Will Folks advocated &#8212; is seriously questionable. It guaranteed NOTHING to the poor. The scholarship organizations might have helped. Maybe a lot, even. But there was no guarantee AT ALL to the poor. Middle-class families, though, were guaranteed a tax break. I would think they&#8217;d have gotten the first dibs on existing space in private schools. And that doesn&#8217;t even get into the question of whether top private schools would even consider taking in our state&#8217;s most struggling students.</p>
<p>Big school choice proponents respond to these concerns by simply saying that the free market will take care of everything. Of course, Will Folks just ran a story about The State &#8212; a big-business, corporate-run, for-profit newspaper &#8212; had decided NOT TO SERVE customers in various parts of the state. The idea that for-profit entities are going to spring up in Allendale or Colleton or Bamberg or Union counties to take care of the kids in our state who are poorest and most challenging to teach seems a little unrealistic to me. Additionally, most private schools are run, in part, on ongoing charitable donations and endowments&#8230;.not just tuition dollars.</p>
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		<title>By: yes</title>
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		<dc:creator>yes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 19:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Statistically kids with parents who can afford private schooling are going to have an above average intellegence.  Above average students are generally going to score well on standardized testing.   Funding, as well as overall success, has been tied to testing.  School choice proponents equate learning to capitalistic theory:  Strive for excellence, or go out of business.  This analogy doesn&#039;t work because kids aren&#039;t widgets.  And what do you do with the children whose school just went out of business?  Abandon them?
There are many teachers in impoverished areas that may serve as the only positive influence in several of their students&#039; lives.  How are you going to make me fly when I can&#039;t get out this fuggin ditch?   Who&#039;s to blame?  Jim Rex?  Inez?  Public school teachers?  Treat kids like widgets and you&#039;re just going to see the law of averages at work.  Start busing them around and see if scores go up.  School choice is just a diversion from the real problem but unfortunately, beyond protection from neglect, the government can&#039;t force parents to give a shit about their kids.  So what are we to do?  Let the money follow the smart (and rich) kids.  Didn&#039;t we have a very similar system in the south that similarly challenged and reshaped our paradigms of educational equality?  ....rhymes with legregation.  Oh but the school choice people want to help poor kids!  OOOOOHHH, might want to pour yourself a extra tall glass of that....you know so as to get that taste of bullshit out of your mouth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Statistically kids with parents who can afford private schooling are going to have an above average intellegence.  Above average students are generally going to score well on standardized testing.   Funding, as well as overall success, has been tied to testing.  School choice proponents equate learning to capitalistic theory:  Strive for excellence, or go out of business.  This analogy doesn&#8217;t work because kids aren&#8217;t widgets.  And what do you do with the children whose school just went out of business?  Abandon them?<br />
There are many teachers in impoverished areas that may serve as the only positive influence in several of their students&#8217; lives.  How are you going to make me fly when I can&#8217;t get out this fuggin ditch?   Who&#8217;s to blame?  Jim Rex?  Inez?  Public school teachers?  Treat kids like widgets and you&#8217;re just going to see the law of averages at work.  Start busing them around and see if scores go up.  School choice is just a diversion from the real problem but unfortunately, beyond protection from neglect, the government can&#8217;t force parents to give a shit about their kids.  So what are we to do?  Let the money follow the smart (and rich) kids.  Didn&#8217;t we have a very similar system in the south that similarly challenged and reshaped our paradigms of educational equality?  &#8230;.rhymes with legregation.  Oh but the school choice people want to help poor kids!  OOOOOHHH, might want to pour yourself a extra tall glass of that&#8230;.you know so as to get that taste of bullshit out of your mouth.</p>
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		<title>By: upstater</title>
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		<dc:creator>upstater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 18:39:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Will -- It&#039;s not all THAT significant. But I just think it&#039;s one of those small (and somewhat small-minded) ways the public education bashers bash away....they try to lump all those folks together with the &quot;educrat&quot; label....which has the ring of -- as with complaints about &quot;bureaucrats&quot; -- being isolated, walled-off from the public; maybe the image of pencil-pushers trying to keep the system afloat but with little or no vision.

That&#039;s how &quot;educrat&quot; sounds to me, anyway.

And it may be fair in some cases. But in this case, you&#039;re talking to someone who was elected by the voters in her community. She may be right or wrong about this and other issues. But isolated from the public, untouchable and buffered by layers of administrative machinery, bureaucrat-style? No. School board members are democratically elected and must answer to the voters -- same as Sen. Jackson himself.

So, I don&#039;t think it &quot;walks like, quacks like....&quot; anything, really. It&#039;s just one elected official in disagreement with another elected official. Politics. Not bureaucracy.

Again, it&#039;s not that big a deal. But I do think language matters. So while I think you have a talent for language, I think it&#039;s misused in this case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Will &#8212; It&#8217;s not all THAT significant. But I just think it&#8217;s one of those small (and somewhat small-minded) ways the public education bashers bash away&#8230;.they try to lump all those folks together with the &#8220;educrat&#8221; label&#8230;.which has the ring of &#8212; as with complaints about &#8220;bureaucrats&#8221; &#8212; being isolated, walled-off from the public; maybe the image of pencil-pushers trying to keep the system afloat but with little or no vision.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s how &#8220;educrat&#8221; sounds to me, anyway.</p>
<p>And it may be fair in some cases. But in this case, you&#8217;re talking to someone who was elected by the voters in her community. She may be right or wrong about this and other issues. But isolated from the public, untouchable and buffered by layers of administrative machinery, bureaucrat-style? No. School board members are democratically elected and must answer to the voters &#8212; same as Sen. Jackson himself.</p>
<p>So, I don&#8217;t think it &#8220;walks like, quacks like&#8230;.&#8221; anything, really. It&#8217;s just one elected official in disagreement with another elected official. Politics. Not bureaucracy.</p>
<p>Again, it&#8217;s not that big a deal. But I do think language matters. So while I think you have a talent for language, I think it&#8217;s misused in this case.</p>
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		<title>By: Testing the Waters</title>
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		<dc:creator>Testing the Waters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 18:24:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will. &quot;Educrat&quot; is a nonsensical label only used in mindless rhetoric by uninformed fanatics when they have nothing intelligent to say. :)

When you say &quot;educrat&quot; we know you really mean &quot;...responsible and well meaning professionals honestly working in the best interests of all children.&quot;

Darrell was probably just testing the waters in case the SCRG money changers &quot;up&quot; their offer to him.  You know they&#039;re working hard to &quot;convert&quot; anyone they can.  By the way, D.J. is already catching lots of heat for his foolish comment.  We won&#039;t hear it from him again.

Speaking of trying to &quot;convert&quot; people.  How come you&#039;ve been so uncharacteristically quite about the expo over at BBQ?  Great stuff!

Gervais has published clear, excellent and irrefutable research on the sham &quot;grass roots&quot; organizations (like SCRG) and how they&#039;re trying to &quot;convert&quot; the Legislature with out-of-state money. And, we think your readers will know what we mean when we say &quot;convert.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will. &#8220;Educrat&#8221; is a nonsensical label only used in mindless rhetoric by uninformed fanatics when they have nothing intelligent to say. :)</p>
<p>When you say &#8220;educrat&#8221; we know you really mean &#8220;&#8230;responsible and well meaning professionals honestly working in the best interests of all children.&#8221;</p>
<p>Darrell was probably just testing the waters in case the SCRG money changers &#8220;up&#8221; their offer to him.  You know they&#8217;re working hard to &#8220;convert&#8221; anyone they can.  By the way, D.J. is already catching lots of heat for his foolish comment.  We won&#8217;t hear it from him again.</p>
<p>Speaking of trying to &#8220;convert&#8221; people.  How come you&#8217;ve been so uncharacteristically quite about the expo over at BBQ?  Great stuff!</p>
<p>Gervais has published clear, excellent and irrefutable research on the sham &#8220;grass roots&#8221; organizations (like SCRG) and how they&#8217;re trying to &#8220;convert&#8221; the Legislature with out-of-state money. And, we think your readers will know what we mean when we say &#8220;convert.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: silence dogood</title>
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		<dc:creator>silence dogood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 15:39:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Upstater, it is solely meant as a slang, derisive, derogatory term no actual definition and hence no reason need be used when throwing it out there.  Frankly you are probably one of those filthy educrats (and a non-patriot who hates freedom) for even asking the question in the first pace, so be more careful next time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Upstater, it is solely meant as a slang, derisive, derogatory term no actual definition and hence no reason need be used when throwing it out there.  Frankly you are probably one of those filthy educrats (and a non-patriot who hates freedom) for even asking the question in the first pace, so be more careful next time.</p>
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		<title>By: FITSNews</title>
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		<dc:creator>FITSNews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 15:05:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Upstater-

We fail to see the significance of your argument. If it quacks like an educrat ...

-FITSNews</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Upstater-</p>
<p>We fail to see the significance of your argument. If it quacks like an educrat &#8230;</p>
<p>-FITSNews</p>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 02:44:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Darrell Jackson always, always follows the money.  He is the biggest shakedown artist to hit the General Assembly since the infamous Williamsburg County delegation of the 1980s departed (one died, the other went to prison).

Richland 1?  Rosewood Elementary, Hand Middle and Dreher High are all excellent.  Other schools (like AC Flora) have come a long way. The only truly bad schools in Richland 1 are located in crack-laden war zones.  Yahoo would look at least as foolish trying to run those schools as he finds those now running them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Darrell Jackson always, always follows the money.  He is the biggest shakedown artist to hit the General Assembly since the infamous Williamsburg County delegation of the 1980s departed (one died, the other went to prison).</p>
<p>Richland 1?  Rosewood Elementary, Hand Middle and Dreher High are all excellent.  Other schools (like AC Flora) have come a long way. The only truly bad schools in Richland 1 are located in crack-laden war zones.  Yahoo would look at least as foolish trying to run those schools as he finds those now running them.</p>
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		<title>By: upstater</title>
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		<dc:creator>upstater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 02:01:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a point about vocabulary:

Does the term &quot;educrat&quot; really apply here? I thought it was a take-off on bureaucrat -- bureaucrats who work in the education system.....superintendents, personnel directors, program coordinators, etc.

If that&#039;s the origin of the term, then it would seem out of place here. The person who wrote the letter about Sen. Jackson&#039;s comments is a school board member. Not an administrator or bureaucrat, but a democratically elected representative.

The board member may or may not be out of line with her comments, but again, it seems to me that the &quot;educrat&quot; insult doesn&#039;t really fit the bill. It&#039;s just one democratically elected politician disagreeing with another democratically elected politician.

Any thoughts, Will?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a point about vocabulary:</p>
<p>Does the term &#8220;educrat&#8221; really apply here? I thought it was a take-off on bureaucrat &#8212; bureaucrats who work in the education system&#8230;..superintendents, personnel directors, program coordinators, etc.</p>
<p>If that&#8217;s the origin of the term, then it would seem out of place here. The person who wrote the letter about Sen. Jackson&#8217;s comments is a school board member. Not an administrator or bureaucrat, but a democratically elected representative.</p>
<p>The board member may or may not be out of line with her comments, but again, it seems to me that the &#8220;educrat&#8221; insult doesn&#8217;t really fit the bill. It&#8217;s just one democratically elected politician disagreeing with another democratically elected politician.</p>
<p>Any thoughts, Will?</p>
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		<title>By: Milton Friedman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Milton Friedman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 00:32:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Rex, tear down this wall!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Rex, tear down this wall!</p>
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		<title>By: Yahoo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yahoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2007 21:39:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richland District 1...haha, they are the  ZaZa Gabor of education (lots of money, no ability...and a little bit crazy).

If Richland 1 is against it...them I am for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richland District 1&#8230;haha, they are the  ZaZa Gabor of education (lots of money, no ability&#8230;and a little bit crazy).</p>
<p>If Richland 1 is against it&#8230;them I am for it.</p>
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