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		<title>By: Jim Spellman</title>
		<link>http://www.fitsnews.com/2007/06/15/stuff-keeps-breaking-in-space/#comment-1810</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Spellman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2007 16:39:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you want instant gratification, go buy yourself an ice cream cone, a new car or the services of a female &quot;companion&quot; with great oratory skills.

If you think the realities of spaceflight are slow and plodding, go watch an episode of Star Trek/Star Wars.

To say you&#039;re expecting the space station to show &quot;what have you done for me lately&quot; when it&#039;s not even *complete* is like expecting to go shopping at the local Wal-Mart as the store is still being built and the salesclerks and cashiers are not even staffed yet.

However, if you really want to find out what you&#039;ve been getting through the years, go to the following sites as a starting point and then expand your search even further:

http://www.ethicalatheist.com/docs/benefits_of_space_program.html

http://www.thespaceplace.com/nasa/spinoffs.html

http://search.nasa.gov/search/search?q=space+benefits&amp;output=xml_no_dtd&amp;sort=dateADALAd1&amp;site=nasa_collection&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;client=nasa_production&amp;oe=UTF-8&amp;proxystylesheet=nasa_production

As for Area 51 et al, sorry, can&#039;t help you there. I deal in reality, not science fiction and conspiracy theories.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you want instant gratification, go buy yourself an ice cream cone, a new car or the services of a female &#8220;companion&#8221; with great oratory skills.</p>
<p>If you think the realities of spaceflight are slow and plodding, go watch an episode of Star Trek/Star Wars.</p>
<p>To say you&#8217;re expecting the space station to show &#8220;what have you done for me lately&#8221; when it&#8217;s not even *complete* is like expecting to go shopping at the local Wal-Mart as the store is still being built and the salesclerks and cashiers are not even staffed yet.</p>
<p>However, if you really want to find out what you&#8217;ve been getting through the years, go to the following sites as a starting point and then expand your search even further:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ethicalatheist.com/docs/benefits_of_space_program.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ethicalatheist.com/docs/benefits_of_space_program.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.thespaceplace.com/nasa/spinoffs.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.thespaceplace.com/nasa/spinoffs.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://search.nasa.gov/search/search?q=space+benefits&#038;output=xml_no_dtd&#038;sort=dateADALAd1&#038;site=nasa_collection&#038;ie=UTF-8&#038;client=nasa_production&#038;oe=UTF-8&#038;proxystylesheet=nasa_production" rel="nofollow">http://search.nasa.gov/search/search?q=space+benefits&#038;output=xml_no_dtd&#038;sort=dateADALAd1&#038;site=nasa_collection&#038;ie=UTF-8&#038;client=nasa_production&#038;oe=UTF-8&#038;proxystylesheet=nasa_production</a></p>
<p>As for Area 51 et al, sorry, can&#8217;t help you there. I deal in reality, not science fiction and conspiracy theories.</p>
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		<title>By: FITSNews</title>
		<link>http://www.fitsnews.com/2007/06/15/stuff-keeps-breaking-in-space/#comment-1812</link>
		<dc:creator>FITSNews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2007 13:55:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JIm-

If you&#039;re going to leave such long comments, can you at least tell us something cool - like what&#039;s inside Area 51? And is there really a spaceship currently being stored in the bullion depository at Fort Knox?

We don&#039;t disagree with your premise that the rest of government is also wasteful and inefficient, or that NASA should continue its exploration - we just think the space station is a cash-guzzling boondoggle with little to show for the taxpayers&#039; investment .

-FITSNews</description>
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<p>If you&#8217;re going to leave such long comments, can you at least tell us something cool &#8211; like what&#8217;s inside Area 51? And is there really a spaceship currently being stored in the bullion depository at Fort Knox?</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t disagree with your premise that the rest of government is also wasteful and inefficient, or that NASA should continue its exploration &#8211; we just think the space station is a cash-guzzling boondoggle with little to show for the taxpayers&#8217; investment .</p>
<p>-FITSNews</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Spellman</title>
		<link>http://www.fitsnews.com/2007/06/15/stuff-keeps-breaking-in-space/#comment-1811</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Spellman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2007 01:52:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve found from years of experience that when the facts are presented and verified by independent sources, the arguments of the anti-space, anti-technology, Luddite community tend to fall silent, save for the occassional rustling wind, bird chirps and rolling tumbleweed.

Some more food for thought.  Here&#039;s a simplified breakdown (numbers rounded) of expenditures for Fiscal Year 2008, which is currently being debated in Congress, and will hopefully go into effect on Oct. 1, 2007.  These figures represent what will be spent in ONE Year for the various programs listed.

These figures will also more than likely be increased (few line items are ever really decreased) for FY 2009, FY 2010, FY 2011, etc. etc., but, you get the picture by now (or, at least, you should).

NOTE: This does NOT include tax monies and/or expenses obtained at your STATE and Local County/City levels (to fund your police/fire departments, schools and educational programs, roads &amp; bridges, etc.) This is just the Federal level:

TOTAL U.S. FEDERAL BUDGET: $2.8 Trillion

Divided by:

Military: $632 Billion
Social Security: $586 Billion
Medicare: $394 Billion
Unemployment: $367 Billion
Budget Deficit: $354 Billion
Non-Military Discretionary: $350 Billion
Medicaid: $276 Billion
Interest on the National Debt: $243 Billion

Now, NASA&#039;s budget for FY 2008 -- which comes out of the $350 Billion earmarked as &quot;Non-Military Discretionary&quot; funds -- will amount to $17 Billion.  Sounds like a lot on the surface, but it&#039;s 6/10ths of ONE Percent of the Total $2.8 Trillion Federal Budget.

Boggles the mind, doesn&#039;t it?

And to think there are actually well-meaning people living with the delusion belief that if we just stop NASA and cancel space exploration and development altogether, we can solve all those other problems like feeding the hungry, Universal healthcare for everyone, better education for our kids, or even &quot;save&quot; Social Security.

Please. . .

Why is it that the space program&#039;s critics can&#039;t wait to sharpen their knives against NASA, while turning a blind eye towards the above listed federal programs?  Are they *really* being responsible stewards of those budgets each year!?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve found from years of experience that when the facts are presented and verified by independent sources, the arguments of the anti-space, anti-technology, Luddite community tend to fall silent, save for the occassional rustling wind, bird chirps and rolling tumbleweed.</p>
<p>Some more food for thought.  Here&#8217;s a simplified breakdown (numbers rounded) of expenditures for Fiscal Year 2008, which is currently being debated in Congress, and will hopefully go into effect on Oct. 1, 2007.  These figures represent what will be spent in ONE Year for the various programs listed.</p>
<p>These figures will also more than likely be increased (few line items are ever really decreased) for FY 2009, FY 2010, FY 2011, etc. etc., but, you get the picture by now (or, at least, you should).</p>
<p>NOTE: This does NOT include tax monies and/or expenses obtained at your STATE and Local County/City levels (to fund your police/fire departments, schools and educational programs, roads &amp; bridges, etc.) This is just the Federal level:</p>
<p>TOTAL U.S. FEDERAL BUDGET: $2.8 Trillion</p>
<p>Divided by:</p>
<p>Military: $632 Billion<br />
Social Security: $586 Billion<br />
Medicare: $394 Billion<br />
Unemployment: $367 Billion<br />
Budget Deficit: $354 Billion<br />
Non-Military Discretionary: $350 Billion<br />
Medicaid: $276 Billion<br />
Interest on the National Debt: $243 Billion</p>
<p>Now, NASA&#8217;s budget for FY 2008 &#8212; which comes out of the $350 Billion earmarked as &#8220;Non-Military Discretionary&#8221; funds &#8212; will amount to $17 Billion.  Sounds like a lot on the surface, but it&#8217;s 6/10ths of ONE Percent of the Total $2.8 Trillion Federal Budget.</p>
<p>Boggles the mind, doesn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p>And to think there are actually well-meaning people living with the delusion belief that if we just stop NASA and cancel space exploration and development altogether, we can solve all those other problems like feeding the hungry, Universal healthcare for everyone, better education for our kids, or even &#8220;save&#8221; Social Security.</p>
<p>Please. . .</p>
<p>Why is it that the space program&#8217;s critics can&#8217;t wait to sharpen their knives against NASA, while turning a blind eye towards the above listed federal programs?  Are they *really* being responsible stewards of those budgets each year!?!</p>
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		<title>By: Sandlapper</title>
		<link>http://www.fitsnews.com/2007/06/15/stuff-keeps-breaking-in-space/#comment-1809</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandlapper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jun 2007 14:29:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great work and well-said Willie. Now compare that with the $677 per taxpayer per year($13.01 per week,  or $1.85 per day, based on estimates of $3 billion a week) that we are spending in Iraq.  Go figure.
But of course George Bush doesn&#039;t start space programs, he just starts wars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great work and well-said Willie. Now compare that with the $677 per taxpayer per year($13.01 per week,  or $1.85 per day, based on estimates of $3 billion a week) that we are spending in Iraq.  Go figure.<br />
But of course George Bush doesn&#8217;t start space programs, he just starts wars.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Spellman</title>
		<link>http://www.fitsnews.com/2007/06/15/stuff-keeps-breaking-in-space/#comment-1808</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Spellman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jun 2007 02:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thatâ€™s certainly one cynicâ€™s view of things -- especially when the writer has seen one too many space operas and then thinks they actually understand what they are writing about.

Itâ€™s difficult to justify the International Space Station on the basis of scientific return alone, but therein lies the flaw to the authorsâ€™ argument. In talking about costs and the â€œworthâ€ of space exploration, the ISS is an investment.

At least, that is always how members of the National Space Society (a privately supported, public membership, 501c3 nonprofit educational organization and space advocacy group) have seen it.

Humanityâ€™s eventual, but necessary move into space has been and will continue to be expensive at first. At one time during the dawn of aviation, airplane flights were also considered unreasonable as well (and still are depending on who you ask with todayâ€™s rising fuel costs), but now our society cannot function without it.

Secondly, there is the political side of the coin -â€“ but the author once again is looking in the wrong direction for the answer. Yes, our international partners would be upset if we do not hold up our end of the bargain, but there is another factor that the auther hasnâ€™t mentioned, and that is emergence of China on the world stage of space exploration.

Fueled by the success of â€œtaikonautâ€ Yang Liweiâ€™s flight in October 2003 and succeeding flights, China has been emboldened to lay out designs on building a space station of their own in the future.

As the nation which invented gunpowder and rockets long before the New World was â€œdiscoveredâ€ by the Old World European nations, China has learned quickly from the mistakes of others, considering that most of their own early spaceflight attempts in the 1990s were failures.

If the U.S. wants to continue to take the lead into space, then American leadership in programs such as the ISS are necessary. If we donâ€™t, someone else will.

Therefore, the â€œreturn on investmentâ€ of any permanent human space outpost must be judged by broader criteria, such as:

* Maintaining US leadership in space exploration;
* Symbolic value of maintaining a permanent human presence in space;
* Growing the understanding of how humans adapt to living in space for extended periods;
* Experience gained during on-orbit station assembly (tools, techniques, problems), as well as from spacecraft/station interaction, and;
* Function of ISS as a â€˜national laboratoryâ€™ and perhaps eventually a test-bed for commercial applications and research projects

As to the &quot;eleventy kabillion dollars&quot; remark -- well, it&#039;s easy to see why you&#039;re not a math major (or an Economics professor).

The total amounts (in real dollars) that NASA has been budgeted from 1958 to the present (2007) amounts to $419.420 billion dollars -- an average of $8.559 billion per year.

Measured in real terms (Meaning: if the value of $1.00 in 2007 equaled the value of $1.00 in 1958), the figure is $618.412 billion, or an average of $12.681 billion dollars per year over its&#039; forty-nine year history.

I know, you&#039;re confused now.  So what does that all mean?  Simple.

According to figures provided by the Coalition for Space Exploration, and other space advocacy groups such as the National Space Society and U.S. Space Foundation, when divided by the number of American citizens who pay their taxes on April 15, the amount of NASA&#039;s budget works out to approximately $55 USD per year per taxpayer.

That works out to about $1.06 a week, or $0.15 cents a day in current 2007 spending.  Let&#039;s see you try and save the world, let alone &quot;explore strange new worlds&quot; on that figure a day.

If you don&#039;t want to believe all that I&#039;ve just said, then go to http://www.thebudgetgraph.com and figure it out for yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thatâ€™s certainly one cynicâ€™s view of things &#8212; especially when the writer has seen one too many space operas and then thinks they actually understand what they are writing about.</p>
<p>Itâ€™s difficult to justify the International Space Station on the basis of scientific return alone, but therein lies the flaw to the authorsâ€™ argument. In talking about costs and the â€œworthâ€ of space exploration, the ISS is an investment.</p>
<p>At least, that is always how members of the National Space Society (a privately supported, public membership, 501c3 nonprofit educational organization and space advocacy group) have seen it.</p>
<p>Humanityâ€™s eventual, but necessary move into space has been and will continue to be expensive at first. At one time during the dawn of aviation, airplane flights were also considered unreasonable as well (and still are depending on who you ask with todayâ€™s rising fuel costs), but now our society cannot function without it.</p>
<p>Secondly, there is the political side of the coin -â€“ but the author once again is looking in the wrong direction for the answer. Yes, our international partners would be upset if we do not hold up our end of the bargain, but there is another factor that the auther hasnâ€™t mentioned, and that is emergence of China on the world stage of space exploration.</p>
<p>Fueled by the success of â€œtaikonautâ€ Yang Liweiâ€™s flight in October 2003 and succeeding flights, China has been emboldened to lay out designs on building a space station of their own in the future.</p>
<p>As the nation which invented gunpowder and rockets long before the New World was â€œdiscoveredâ€ by the Old World European nations, China has learned quickly from the mistakes of others, considering that most of their own early spaceflight attempts in the 1990s were failures.</p>
<p>If the U.S. wants to continue to take the lead into space, then American leadership in programs such as the ISS are necessary. If we donâ€™t, someone else will.</p>
<p>Therefore, the â€œreturn on investmentâ€ of any permanent human space outpost must be judged by broader criteria, such as:</p>
<p>* Maintaining US leadership in space exploration;<br />
* Symbolic value of maintaining a permanent human presence in space;<br />
* Growing the understanding of how humans adapt to living in space for extended periods;<br />
* Experience gained during on-orbit station assembly (tools, techniques, problems), as well as from spacecraft/station interaction, and;<br />
* Function of ISS as a â€˜national laboratoryâ€™ and perhaps eventually a test-bed for commercial applications and research projects</p>
<p>As to the &#8220;eleventy kabillion dollars&#8221; remark &#8212; well, it&#8217;s easy to see why you&#8217;re not a math major (or an Economics professor).</p>
<p>The total amounts (in real dollars) that NASA has been budgeted from 1958 to the present (2007) amounts to $419.420 billion dollars &#8212; an average of $8.559 billion per year.</p>
<p>Measured in real terms (Meaning: if the value of $1.00 in 2007 equaled the value of $1.00 in 1958), the figure is $618.412 billion, or an average of $12.681 billion dollars per year over its&#8217; forty-nine year history.</p>
<p>I know, you&#8217;re confused now.  So what does that all mean?  Simple.</p>
<p>According to figures provided by the Coalition for Space Exploration, and other space advocacy groups such as the National Space Society and U.S. Space Foundation, when divided by the number of American citizens who pay their taxes on April 15, the amount of NASA&#8217;s budget works out to approximately $55 USD per year per taxpayer.</p>
<p>That works out to about $1.06 a week, or $0.15 cents a day in current 2007 spending.  Let&#8217;s see you try and save the world, let alone &#8220;explore strange new worlds&#8221; on that figure a day.</p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t want to believe all that I&#8217;ve just said, then go to <a href="http://www.thebudgetgraph.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.thebudgetgraph.com</a> and figure it out for yourself.</p>
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