<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: Rats At The State House?</title>
	<atom:link href="http://www.fitsnews.com/2007/05/22/rats-at-the-state-house/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://www.fitsnews.com/2007/05/22/rats-at-the-state-house/</link>
	<description>Politics, Sports and Pop Culture</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 18:17:30 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1</generator>
	<item>
		<title>By: Disenchanted</title>
		<link>http://www.fitsnews.com/2007/05/22/rats-at-the-state-house/#comment-1457</link>
		<dc:creator>Disenchanted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 22:33:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://69.89.31.161/~fitsnews/?p=1160#comment-1457</guid>
		<description>As Cicero said 2500 years ago, &quot;If you have the facts, argue the facts, if you have not the facts, argue the law, and if you have neither, abuse the plaintiff.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Cicero said 2500 years ago, &#8220;If you have the facts, argue the facts, if you have not the facts, argue the law, and if you have neither, abuse the plaintiff.&#8221;</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: yep</title>
		<link>http://www.fitsnews.com/2007/05/22/rats-at-the-state-house/#comment-1438</link>
		<dc:creator>yep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2007 20:47:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://69.89.31.161/~fitsnews/?p=1160#comment-1438</guid>
		<description>your logic is a circular sophistry.  Corruption might breed other corruption but if you can&#039;t prove its existence without an assumption, (ie the assumption that every legislator has sold his/her soul to become legislators) then you aren&#039;t really proving anything.  Which came first the chicken or the egg?  True logic can never tell us without circular reasoning.  So therein lies the tail.  But even if one may accept your assumption as fact, as cynic as it may be, though likely partially true nonetheless, then there is still very distinguishing characteristics between public and legislative elections.  These characteristics are embodied in the essence of the constitutional concept of judicial decisional independence.  Drafters understood that inviting quid pro quo into the judiciary was a receipe for prejudicial adjudication and would make the law and facts take a secondary role to the judge&#039;s ambition to get re-elected or appease its electorate.  If the electorate and those whom the court has personal jurisdiction widely overlaps, then the potential for corruption is more apparent. But to be honest, I&#039;m boring myself so have your ill-considered opinions, I&#039;m out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>your logic is a circular sophistry.  Corruption might breed other corruption but if you can&#8217;t prove its existence without an assumption, (ie the assumption that every legislator has sold his/her soul to become legislators) then you aren&#8217;t really proving anything.  Which came first the chicken or the egg?  True logic can never tell us without circular reasoning.  So therein lies the tail.  But even if one may accept your assumption as fact, as cynic as it may be, though likely partially true nonetheless, then there is still very distinguishing characteristics between public and legislative elections.  These characteristics are embodied in the essence of the constitutional concept of judicial decisional independence.  Drafters understood that inviting quid pro quo into the judiciary was a receipe for prejudicial adjudication and would make the law and facts take a secondary role to the judge&#8217;s ambition to get re-elected or appease its electorate.  If the electorate and those whom the court has personal jurisdiction widely overlaps, then the potential for corruption is more apparent. But to be honest, I&#8217;m boring myself so have your ill-considered opinions, I&#8217;m out.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Disenchanted</title>
		<link>http://www.fitsnews.com/2007/05/22/rats-at-the-state-house/#comment-1451</link>
		<dc:creator>Disenchanted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2007 13:10:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://69.89.31.161/~fitsnews/?p=1160#comment-1451</guid>
		<description>Sorry about the redundancy.  I copied and pasted the first post and it did not show up, so I then typed in post number 2 - only to have post number 1 show up.

I chose the word barrister very carefully, because, over time, the Judges have granted themselves immunity.  You might want to research that.  The founders of this country envisioned there being checks and balances for all three branches of government, but the Judiciary has ruled itself to be exempt from any scrutiny.

I challenge you to name one judge in this state (other than magistrates or summary judges) who has  been removed from the bench because of his/her conduct ON THE BENCH.  I am not talking about taking bribes, or being caught with illegal drugs, or immoral conduct outside of the court room.  I am talking about heinous behavior and rulings in the course of adjudicating cases.

Let&#039;s try a little logic here.  If the judicial suitors  have to garner votes from people who have already had to sell their souls politically to become legislators,  those suitors have to have made some agreement to be of like persuasion in order to secure the votes.  Just because it is done behind closed doors and in parking garages doesn&#039;t make it any different than campaigning for public election.

Please don&#039;t take me to task for employing logic.  I am well aware that it is foreign to politics and judicial decisions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry about the redundancy.  I copied and pasted the first post and it did not show up, so I then typed in post number 2 &#8211; only to have post number 1 show up.</p>
<p>I chose the word barrister very carefully, because, over time, the Judges have granted themselves immunity.  You might want to research that.  The founders of this country envisioned there being checks and balances for all three branches of government, but the Judiciary has ruled itself to be exempt from any scrutiny.</p>
<p>I challenge you to name one judge in this state (other than magistrates or summary judges) who has  been removed from the bench because of his/her conduct ON THE BENCH.  I am not talking about taking bribes, or being caught with illegal drugs, or immoral conduct outside of the court room.  I am talking about heinous behavior and rulings in the course of adjudicating cases.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s try a little logic here.  If the judicial suitors  have to garner votes from people who have already had to sell their souls politically to become legislators,  those suitors have to have made some agreement to be of like persuasion in order to secure the votes.  Just because it is done behind closed doors and in parking garages doesn&#8217;t make it any different than campaigning for public election.</p>
<p>Please don&#8217;t take me to task for employing logic.  I am well aware that it is foreign to politics and judicial decisions.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: yep</title>
		<link>http://www.fitsnews.com/2007/05/22/rats-at-the-state-house/#comment-1452</link>
		<dc:creator>yep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 20:00:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://69.89.31.161/~fitsnews/?p=1160#comment-1452</guid>
		<description>You might want to get yourself checked out.  You either have some short-term memory problems or a British alter-ego with a knack for redundancy. (we earned the right to quit calling them barristers when we won the revolution)  But in all seriousness, judges don&#039;t have absolute immunity.  They are bound by the Rules for Judicial Disciplinary Enforcement and can be removed by the Supreme Court for violations thereof. And yes, because they are people, it may be impossible for them to interpret the rules of civil procedure and evidence with complete uniformity, but that&#039;s not a matter of integrity its a matter of liquidity.  Further, I agree that some judges may be more favorable to some lawyers and less to others; however, I&#039;m not sure how changing our current judicial selection process would change that.  If anything it would make judges more likely to be partial to campaign contributors and organizations within their electoral base.  As I am sure you would agree, justice is not about having friends to reward or enemies to punish.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You might want to get yourself checked out.  You either have some short-term memory problems or a British alter-ego with a knack for redundancy. (we earned the right to quit calling them barristers when we won the revolution)  But in all seriousness, judges don&#8217;t have absolute immunity.  They are bound by the Rules for Judicial Disciplinary Enforcement and can be removed by the Supreme Court for violations thereof. And yes, because they are people, it may be impossible for them to interpret the rules of civil procedure and evidence with complete uniformity, but that&#8217;s not a matter of integrity its a matter of liquidity.  Further, I agree that some judges may be more favorable to some lawyers and less to others; however, I&#8217;m not sure how changing our current judicial selection process would change that.  If anything it would make judges more likely to be partial to campaign contributors and organizations within their electoral base.  As I am sure you would agree, justice is not about having friends to reward or enemies to punish.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Disenchanted</title>
		<link>http://www.fitsnews.com/2007/05/22/rats-at-the-state-house/#comment-1462</link>
		<dc:creator>Disenchanted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2007 17:43:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://69.89.31.161/~fitsnews/?p=1160#comment-1462</guid>
		<description>Hey Yep
The other day I overheard one of the &quot;laypersons&quot; you talk about saying, &quot;Well lookey there, the Emperor ain&#039;t wearin&#039; no clothes.&quot;  Of course, that &quot;layperson&quot; isn&#039;t well educated and cannot comprehend how the system works and just how good that system is.

I believe that both our assessments of the judges of this fine State possible are overly broad.  I do not believe that politics and/or political beliefs should have any bearing on whether a judge is good or bad.  I have observed some judges who are respected by peers, well educated and competent frequently demonstrating a lack of the integrity that it takes to be a good judge.
Any person who is in a position of ultimate authority, with absolute immunity from being held accountable or being removed from that position for his/her actions must hold themselves to the highest of standards in order to avoid the temptation to abuse such a position of authority.  Unfortunately, many of our judges do not hold themselves to such high standards.
You ask the characteristics that I believe judges should exhibit.  Judges should doggedly adhere to the Contstitution, the Law, aplicable precedent, and the Rules of Procedure and  Eviidence.  They should render their decisions ever mndful of the right of the litigant(s) to have a fair and impartial decision based on FACT. (I believe that judges must take and Oath to do so.) I would like to see more judges willing to sanction attorneys who abuse the judicial process,  be intolerant  of intentional misrepresentations by both the litigants and their attorneys, and be above showing favoratism towards certain attorneys.
Just as a fun exercise, YUP, why don&#039;t you conduct an anonymouse poll of the sttorneys in this State asking them how often they find that certain judges have their own rules for their courts.  I think you will find many who wish they could find the published version of each judge&#039;s rules of court.  It would make their jobs soo much easier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Yep<br />
The other day I overheard one of the &#8220;laypersons&#8221; you talk about saying, &#8220;Well lookey there, the Emperor ain&#8217;t wearin&#8217; no clothes.&#8221;  Of course, that &#8220;layperson&#8221; isn&#8217;t well educated and cannot comprehend how the system works and just how good that system is.</p>
<p>I believe that both our assessments of the judges of this fine State possible are overly broad.  I do not believe that politics and/or political beliefs should have any bearing on whether a judge is good or bad.  I have observed some judges who are respected by peers, well educated and competent frequently demonstrating a lack of the integrity that it takes to be a good judge.<br />
Any person who is in a position of ultimate authority, with absolute immunity from being held accountable or being removed from that position for his/her actions must hold themselves to the highest of standards in order to avoid the temptation to abuse such a position of authority.  Unfortunately, many of our judges do not hold themselves to such high standards.<br />
You ask the characteristics that I believe judges should exhibit.  Judges should doggedly adhere to the Contstitution, the Law, aplicable precedent, and the Rules of Procedure and  Eviidence.  They should render their decisions ever mndful of the right of the litigant(s) to have a fair and impartial decision based on FACT. (I believe that judges must take and Oath to do so.) I would like to see more judges willing to sanction attorneys who abuse the judicial process,  be intolerant  of intentional misrepresentations by both the litigants and their attorneys, and be above showing favoratism towards certain attorneys.<br />
Just as a fun exercise, YUP, why don&#8217;t you conduct an anonymouse poll of the sttorneys in this State asking them how often they find that certain judges have their own rules for their courts.  I think you will find many who wish they could find the published version of each judge&#8217;s rules of court.  It would make their jobs soo much easier.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Disenchanted</title>
		<link>http://www.fitsnews.com/2007/05/22/rats-at-the-state-house/#comment-1461</link>
		<dc:creator>Disenchanted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2007 15:13:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://69.89.31.161/~fitsnews/?p=1160#comment-1461</guid>
		<description>Hey Yup

You know I overheard one of the â€œlaypersonsâ€ you talk about the other day saying, â€œWell lookey there, the Emperor ainâ€™t wearinâ€™ no clothes.â€  Of course, that â€œlaypersonâ€ isnâ€™t educated enough to comprehend just how the system works, and just how good the system is.

I believe that both of our assessments of the judges of this fine State possibly are overly broad.  I do NOT believe that politics, or political beliefs have any bearing on whether a judge is good or bad.  I have observed that some judges who are respected by peers, well educated, and competent nevertheless lack the integrity that it takes to be a good judge.  Any person who finds him/herself in a position of ultimate authority, with absolute immunity from being held accountable or being removed from that position, must have the highest of standards to avoid the pitfalls of abusing being in such a position.  Unfortunately, many of our judges do not hold themselves to those high standards.

You ask the characteristics that I believe judges should exhibit.  Judges should doggedly adhere to the Constitution, the law, applicable precedent, and the Rules of Procedure and Evidence, and render their decisions ever mindful of the rights of the litigant(s) before them to have a fair and impartial hearing based on fact. (I believe this is pretty much covered by the Oath that each judge takes.)  I also would like to see judges be willing to impose sanctions on those barristers who appear before them who abuse the judicial process, and whose decisions cannot be influenced by the â€œconnectionsâ€ or reputations of the barristers who are associated with the matter before them.

Yup, I challenge you to take an extensive anonymous poll of the attorneys in this State, asking them just how many judges blatantly announce that their courts are operated under their own rules.  I think you will find that there are many attorneys who wish that they could find the published version of each judgeâ€™s rules.  It would make their jobs so much easier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Yup</p>
<p>You know I overheard one of the â€œlaypersonsâ€ you talk about the other day saying, â€œWell lookey there, the Emperor ainâ€™t wearinâ€™ no clothes.â€  Of course, that â€œlaypersonâ€ isnâ€™t educated enough to comprehend just how the system works, and just how good the system is.</p>
<p>I believe that both of our assessments of the judges of this fine State possibly are overly broad.  I do NOT believe that politics, or political beliefs have any bearing on whether a judge is good or bad.  I have observed that some judges who are respected by peers, well educated, and competent nevertheless lack the integrity that it takes to be a good judge.  Any person who finds him/herself in a position of ultimate authority, with absolute immunity from being held accountable or being removed from that position, must have the highest of standards to avoid the pitfalls of abusing being in such a position.  Unfortunately, many of our judges do not hold themselves to those high standards.</p>
<p>You ask the characteristics that I believe judges should exhibit.  Judges should doggedly adhere to the Constitution, the law, applicable precedent, and the Rules of Procedure and Evidence, and render their decisions ever mindful of the rights of the litigant(s) before them to have a fair and impartial hearing based on fact. (I believe this is pretty much covered by the Oath that each judge takes.)  I also would like to see judges be willing to impose sanctions on those barristers who appear before them who abuse the judicial process, and whose decisions cannot be influenced by the â€œconnectionsâ€ or reputations of the barristers who are associated with the matter before them.</p>
<p>Yup, I challenge you to take an extensive anonymous poll of the attorneys in this State, asking them just how many judges blatantly announce that their courts are operated under their own rules.  I think you will find that there are many attorneys who wish that they could find the published version of each judgeâ€™s rules.  It would make their jobs so much easier.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: yep</title>
		<link>http://www.fitsnews.com/2007/05/22/rats-at-the-state-house/#comment-1453</link>
		<dc:creator>yep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 18:38:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://69.89.31.161/~fitsnews/?p=1160#comment-1453</guid>
		<description>&quot;Popular election of our judges CANNOT possibly result in a worse crop of judges than those we already have squatting on the benches.&quot;

Never say never.  Further, in my personal experience I would say that only a very, very small number of judges are &quot;bad&quot; judges in that they are incompetent.  Most are very competent, well educated, highly respected by peers, and good people.  Now, I would agree that one&#039;s political ideology has, in the past at least, been less of a factor in getting on the bench than getting a seat in the legislature.  So by bad you might mean &quot;liberal.&quot;

So it depends on the definition of bad. .   But if bad means incompetent and you think that public elections will solve that, then you either don&#039;t know our judges or you forgot who South Carolina just elected governor.  Disenchanted what characteristics should we value in judges?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Popular election of our judges CANNOT possibly result in a worse crop of judges than those we already have squatting on the benches.&#8221;</p>
<p>Never say never.  Further, in my personal experience I would say that only a very, very small number of judges are &#8220;bad&#8221; judges in that they are incompetent.  Most are very competent, well educated, highly respected by peers, and good people.  Now, I would agree that one&#8217;s political ideology has, in the past at least, been less of a factor in getting on the bench than getting a seat in the legislature.  So by bad you might mean &#8220;liberal.&#8221;</p>
<p>So it depends on the definition of bad. .   But if bad means incompetent and you think that public elections will solve that, then you either don&#8217;t know our judges or you forgot who South Carolina just elected governor.  Disenchanted what characteristics should we value in judges?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Earl</title>
		<link>http://www.fitsnews.com/2007/05/22/rats-at-the-state-house/#comment-1441</link>
		<dc:creator>Earl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 03:14:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://69.89.31.161/~fitsnews/?p=1160#comment-1441</guid>
		<description>Disenchanted, didn&#039;t you know they are fit to judge themselves.  Especially after a few drinks.

This gives &quot;getting run over by the courts&quot; a whole new meaning.

It&#039;s ok ... my bills are still getting paid.  You&#039;re right, while unfair, it&#039;s far from the worst injustice I&#039;ve seen out there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Disenchanted, didn&#8217;t you know they are fit to judge themselves.  Especially after a few drinks.</p>
<p>This gives &#8220;getting run over by the courts&#8221; a whole new meaning.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s ok &#8230; my bills are still getting paid.  You&#8217;re right, while unfair, it&#8217;s far from the worst injustice I&#8217;ve seen out there.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Disenchanted</title>
		<link>http://www.fitsnews.com/2007/05/22/rats-at-the-state-house/#comment-1450</link>
		<dc:creator>Disenchanted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 21:32:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://69.89.31.161/~fitsnews/?p=1160#comment-1450</guid>
		<description>C&#039;mon guys,  there really is a significant proportion of voters in this state who did NOT just fall off the turnip truck.  Popular election of our judges CANNOT possibly result in a worse crop of judges than those we already have squatting on the benches.

Under the current system a judge who is &quot;well connected&quot; cannot be removed from the bench, no matter how bad the judicial temperment. the abuse of discretion demonstrated  in his/her decisions, or even a recommendation from the JMSC that this judge not be returned to the bench

Sorry you didn&#039;t get awarded child support, Earl, but let me assure you that that there are far more devastating and deplorable &quot;errors&quot; committed by Family Court Judges every day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>C&#8217;mon guys,  there really is a significant proportion of voters in this state who did NOT just fall off the turnip truck.  Popular election of our judges CANNOT possibly result in a worse crop of judges than those we already have squatting on the benches.</p>
<p>Under the current system a judge who is &#8220;well connected&#8221; cannot be removed from the bench, no matter how bad the judicial temperment. the abuse of discretion demonstrated  in his/her decisions, or even a recommendation from the JMSC that this judge not be returned to the bench</p>
<p>Sorry you didn&#8217;t get awarded child support, Earl, but let me assure you that that there are far more devastating and deplorable &#8220;errors&#8221; committed by Family Court Judges every day.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Earl</title>
		<link>http://www.fitsnews.com/2007/05/22/rats-at-the-state-house/#comment-1449</link>
		<dc:creator>Earl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 20:47:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://69.89.31.161/~fitsnews/?p=1160#comment-1449</guid>
		<description>Aw come on guys, can&#039;t we just get back to talking about hooters and who might be on the take?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aw come on guys, can&#8217;t we just get back to talking about hooters and who might be on the take?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>

